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songficcer

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« on: 04-10-2009 06:11 »

Its been discussed that Fry is his own Grandfather, and thus his own Father's Father,

But here's what i don't get: If Enos is meant to be the 'father' of Yancy Sr., why is Fry's Mother the one with the orange and spiked hair?

And another thing:  Yancy Sr. mentioned to Yancy jr. he was named Yancy, like his father before him, all the way back to 'Minute-man' Yancy Fry. If Enos was meant to be his dad... why wasn't he named Yancy?

DISCUSS!

Although, I'm more interested in the first question.
x.Bianca.x

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« Reply #1 on: 04-10-2009 08:48 »

I was thinking the exact same thing O.o The first thing, that is.
hobbitboy

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« Reply #2 on: 04-10-2009 14:12 »


   Its been discussed that Fry is his own Grandfather, and thus his own Father's Father,

   But here's what i don't get: If Enos is meant to be the 'father' of Yancy Sr., why is Fry's Mother the one with the orange and spiked hair?


1) It could be just coincidence. Philip's mother had to have some natural color and characteristic shape. They might have been 'orange' and 'spikey' (respectively) just by chance. (Actually, I believe this IS the case with Enos.)

or

2) Genetically it is much more likely to have come from his mother's genes. As far as genetic material goes...
   Philip's mother's mother = A,
   Philip's mother's father = B,
   Philip's father's mother = C,
   Philip's father's father = D, and hence
   Philip's mother = (A+B)2,
   Philip's father = (C+D)2, and (in theory)
   Philip = (A+B+C+D)4

But from Roswell that end's well we know that...
   D = Philip
Thus (A+B+C+D)4 = D
Rearranging and solving for D (i.e. Philip) gives...
   Philip = (A+B+C)3
and
   Yancy Sr. = (A+B+(4C))6

As you might expect in time-loop paradoxes Philip has contributed no 'new' genetic material to himself or to his father/son. All of Philip's and Yancy Sr.'s genetics come from Philip's other grandparents.

So, Philip's orange, spikey hair either comes from his mother's side of the family (A or B) or comes from Mildred (C).

But Mildred is shown having long brown hair and her son's (Yancy Sr.) hair is even darker although somewhat spikey (in a Bart Simpson sort of way). Hence it seems likely (but not completely certain) that Mildred is NOT the source of Philip's hair color and style and therefore Philip's mom is.

Thus to offer a more scientifically plausible (and visible) solution I suspect that they deliberately made Philip's mother's hair a similar color and style similar to his and hoped the fans wouldn't twig as to why until they had the benefit of hindsight.

Personally, I think Enos' hair is a red-herring (no pun intended (at least by me)).

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   And another thing:  Yancy Sr. mentioned to Yancy jr. he was named Yancy, like his father before him, all the way back to 'Minute-man' Yancy Fry. If Enos was meant to be his dad... why wasn't he named Yancy?


I think you'll find that Yancy Sr. starts from his grandfather, not his father.

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songficcer

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« Reply #3 on: 04-11-2009 07:51 »
« Last Edit on: 04-11-2009 07:52 »


   Its been discussed that Fry is his own Grandfather, and thus his own Father's Father,

   But here's what i don't get: If Enos is meant to be the 'father' of Yancy Sr., why is Fry's Mother the one with the orange and spiked hair?


1) It could be just coincidence. Philip's mother had to have some natural color and characteristic shape. They might have been 'orange' and 'spikey' (respectively) just by chance. (Actually, I believe this IS the case with Enos.)

or

2) Genetically it is much more likely to have come from his mother's genes. As far as genetic material goes...
   Philip's mother's mother = A,
   Philip's mother's father = B,
   Philip's father's mother = C,
   Philip's father's father = D, and hence
   Philip's mother = (A+B)2,
   Philip's father = (C+D)2, and (in theory)
   Philip = (A+B+C+D)4

But from Roswell that end's well we know that...
   D = Philip
Thus (A+B+C+D)4 = D
Rearranging and solving for D (i.e. Philip) gives...
   Philip = (A+B+C)3
and
   Yancy Sr. = (A+B+(4C))6

As you might expect in time-loop paradoxes Philip has contributed no 'new' genetic material to himself or to his father/son. All of Philip's and Yancy Sr.'s genetics come from Philip's other grandparents.

So, Philip's orange, spikey hair either comes from his mother's side of the family (A or B) or comes from Mildred (C).

But Mildred is shown having long brown hair and her son's (Yancy Sr.) hair is even darker although somewhat spikey (in a Bart Simpson sort of way). Hence it seems likely (but not completely certain) that Mildred is NOT the source of Philip's hair color and style and therefore Philip's mom is.

Thus to offer a more scientifically plausible (and visible) solution I suspect that they deliberately made Philip's mother's hair a similar color and style similar to his and hoped the fans wouldn't twig as to why until they had the benefit of hindsight.

Personally, I think Enos' hair is a red-herring (no pun intended (at least by me)).

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   And another thing:  Yancy Sr. mentioned to Yancy jr. he was named Yancy, like his father before him, all the way back to 'Minute-man' Yancy Fry. If Enos was meant to be his dad... why wasn't he named Yancy?


I think you'll find that Yancy Sr. starts from his grandfather, not his father.


Magic. Got it.

But you do make a good point about Enos being a red herring. I never thought of it.

And if I misquoted...good. My girlfriend will be pleased. XD
Books

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« Reply #4 on: 04-12-2009 23:17 »

I think you put a little too much thought into this hobbitboy. But then again, that's what you do for most things. laff
hobbitboy

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« Reply #5 on: 04-15-2009 16:46 »

Too muh, too little. What's the difference?

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Arachno-Spores

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« Reply #6 on: 04-20-2009 22:45 »

Maybe Matt Groening and DXC lost track like they did with Benders different metal percentages.
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