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songficcer

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« on: 03-16-2009 09:01 »

If this has been talked to death, I apologize but...

While watching "Roswell that Ends Well"...again.... After Enos is incinerated, and Mildred gets the call, Fry tells her that there is no chance Enos will come back as a zombie. And she replies, "I'm not worried about that."

if she wasn't worried about that, what WAS she worried about?

Enos is very obviously gay. What if he had sex with Mildred just to prove to everyone he wasn't, and he got her pregnant? Realizing that, he asked her to marry him?

After that, it was just coincidental that the PE crew were sent back and Fry slept with Mildred himself, thus making everyone believe he was his own Grandpa.

Your Take??
mossy

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« Reply #1 on: 03-16-2009 11:37 »

i see your point, but isnt his lack of delta brainwave proof enough?
also, the niblonians knew about his past nastification....
indeed interesting
Svip

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« Reply #2 on: 03-16-2009 14:23 »

i see your point, but isnt his lack of delta brainwave proof enough?
also, the niblonians knew about his past nastification....
indeed interesting
Yeah, and if the show really returns, I am sure the writers can screw us up once more and twist the whole thing around, so that it all made "sense" in the end.

Besides, it is possible there is another reason for Fry to lack the Delta Brainwave.
mossy

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« Reply #3 on: 03-16-2009 15:12 »

i see your point, but isnt his lack of delta brainwave proof enough?
also, the niblonians knew about his past nastification....
indeed interesting
Yeah, and if the show really returns, I am sure the writers can screw us up once more and twist the whole thing around, so that it all made "sense" in the end.

Besides, it is possible there is another reason for Fry to lack the Delta Brainwave.

his father could have been implicated in the niblonians previous endevours, and fry supposedly being his own grandfather is a cover up of some kind laff
Svip

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« Reply #4 on: 03-16-2009 15:28 »

i see your point, but isnt his lack of delta brainwave proof enough?
also, the niblonians knew about his past nastification....
indeed interesting
Yeah, and if the show really returns, I am sure the writers can screw us up once more and twist the whole thing around, so that it all made "sense" in the end.

Besides, it is possible there is another reason for Fry to lack the Delta Brainwave.

his father could have been implicated in the niblonians previous endevours, and fry supposedly being his own grandfather is a cover up of some kind laff
True, and David X. Cohen also talked about that the new season would discuss "Fry's origins", maybe what we know now can be rendered moot.
Gorky

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« Reply #5 on: 03-16-2009 15:31 »

That's an interesting theory, songficcer. Personally, I think Mildred's "I'm not worried about that" is just a throw-away/set-up for Fry's line, "Then you're a braver woman than I." I also think that Enos's sexuality is meant to imply that it would be very strange for him to marry Mildred, father some children, and live happily ever after, when he's only "goin' with girls 'cause you're supposed to"; thus, it's meant to foreshadow the ending, where, you know, he doesn't do any of those things.

But Mildred's line could also be taken as some kind of ominous, clever line tossed our way because the writers can be brilliant like that. If the show comes back, and they do pull that line out again as proof that Fry is not his own grandfather, then I'd be very impressed. And slightly pissed, 'cause it messes with (our version of) the established continuity. Mostly I'd be impressed, though.
songficcer

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« Reply #6 on: 03-16-2009 18:30 »


his father could have been implicated in the niblonians previous endevours, and fry supposedly being his own grandfather is a cover up of some kind laff

Conspiracy theory? laff

Yeah, I forgot about the delta brain wave. I also was watching this episode at four in the morning so my brain was a lil sloooooooooooow.
Fry_lover98

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« Reply #7 on: 04-15-2009 21:10 »

I dont mean to be cheeky, and i sortof get your point, but...








We are talking about Matt Groening here!!  laff
mossy

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« Reply #8 on: 04-16-2009 01:29 »

oh snap!
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #9 on: 04-16-2009 05:21 »

Wow... you got me stumped on that. Bravo!

I think it is just a case where we are taking the line "I'm not worried about that," too word-by-word. If she said anything else to respond to Fry's comment, then it would seem out of place. They really couldn't have cut the line down to "I'm not worried", or else it wouldn't flow.

Perhaps Mildred meant worried as to be worried of being upset. She just lost her fiance, and it is evident that she really did love Enos in the lines that follow. She may have not gotten any last action from Enos, so she possibly substituted him with Fry to provide any desired physical love.
Officer 1BDI

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« Reply #10 on: 04-17-2009 21:18 »

Woah.  That's an interesting theory, and a really good catch. 

I still think Fry's his own grandfather and that the writer's didn't mean to subtly suggest that Mildred actually had something else to worry about.  Nothing in the series has hinted that there's another explanation for Fry's missing delta brain wave, and to throw another wrench like that into that show at this stage would seem very sudden and unnecessary to me.  I always took DXC's note about exploring Fry's origins to mean that we'd just see more of his childhood/past, not necessarily that we'd discover something shocking about his "mutation."

his father could have been implicated in the niblonians previous endevours, and fry supposedly being his own grandfather is a cover up of some kind laff

That might actually explain a few things about his mental state.... :P
Future Shock

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« Reply #11 on: 04-19-2009 10:40 »

"Yeah, but do ya think ya only going with girls 'cos ya supposed ta?"

That line haunts the mind of every Futurama fan. This line makes it certain Enos could be gay, but since he had Mildred as a fiance, he was probably bisexual. If that's so, it's a 50/50 chance.
songficcer

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« Reply #12 on: 04-19-2009 11:25 »

"Yeah, but do ya think ya only going with girls 'cos ya supposed ta?"

That line haunts the mind of every Futurama fan. This line makes it certain Enos could be gay, but since he had Mildred as a fiance, he was probably bisexual. If that's so, it's a 50/50 chance.

"Yes cause I've never heard of a gay man getting married and having kids before." - DVD commentary (Can't remember who actually said it)

 tongue

But yeah...

 "Alternate solution, also acceptable." - David X. Cohen
Future Shock

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« Reply #13 on: 04-19-2009 11:28 »

"Yeah, but do ya think ya only going with girls 'cos ya supposed ta?"

That line haunts the mind of every Futurama fan. This line makes it certain Enos could be gay, but since he had Mildred as a fiance, he was probably bisexual. If that's so, it's a 50/50 chance.

"Yes cause I've never heard of a gay man getting married and having kids before." - DVD commentary (Can't remember who actually said it)

 tongue

But yeah...

 "Alternate solution, also acceptable." - David X. Cohen

And what is this alternate solution that is acceptable so?
songficcer

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« Reply #14 on: 04-20-2009 10:16 »

In the commentary I do believe it was addressed that Enos was Fry's Grandfather at one point, just to create him. Then, Fry came back and has since been his own grandfather. At which point Cohen said, "Alternate solution, also acceptable."
Future Shock

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« Reply #15 on: 04-20-2009 10:19 »

Alternate solution:

Mildred still cared about Enos, so she disguised the fact he was killed, and told her descendants their father was Enos, covering up the whole scenario.
Arachno-Spores

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« Reply #16 on: 04-20-2009 22:35 »

The only reason people start thinking about stuff like this is because they concentrate so much on it that they forget major points and end up with a completely wrong solution.
songficcer

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« Reply #17 on: 04-21-2009 01:26 »

The only reason people start thinking about stuff like this is because they concentrate so much on it that they forget major points and end up with a completely wrong solution.

Welcome to the internet. Please, enjoy your stay.
RS 2thou

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« Reply #18 on: 05-05-2009 14:32 »

FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #19 on: 05-06-2009 16:52 »

In the commentary I do believe it was addressed that Enos was Fry's Grandfather at one point, just to create him. Then, Fry came back and has since been his own grandfather. At which point Cohen said, "Alternate solution, also acceptable."

I'm going ahead and addressing this as false. Enos may be stupid, but he is not so stupid that one of his descendants would be missing a brain wave.

If Enos was ever Fry's Grandfather then Fry would have had the Delta Brain Wave. If he had the DBW he would have never been frozen by Nibbler/himself.

Alternatively, let's assume Fry would have been frozen anyway and would have lost the DBW when the events of Roswell happened. Still doesn't make sense since in this first run of the universe where he isn't his Grandfather and doesn't yet lack the DBW he would have been destroyed along with everyone else during the Brain Spawn's attack on Earth.

Roswell is a closed loop. Fry has always been his own Grandfather.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #20 on: 05-07-2009 02:18 »

In the commentary I do believe it was addressed that Enos was Fry's Grandfather at one point, just to create him. Then, Fry came back and has since been his own grandfather. At which point Cohen said, "Alternate solution, also acceptable."

There you have it. Word Of God-ed right there. Although I would have said that it's a closed loop, this works as an "alternate" explanation: we are allowed to think whatever we have to, to do whatever leaps of logic are required in order for us to accept the premise being offered.

So I'd say that each theory that accepts the "canonical" results is as valid a speculation as any other (though there's only one that fits well).
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #21 on: 05-07-2009 02:28 »

It can't be true (this fictional event) since it messes with 307. Ken said that Fry's missing DBW is from being his own grandfather (410). Which means that Fry wouldn't have been missing the DBW if Enos was ever his Grandfather which means Fry and the rest of Earth would have been destroyed during the Brain Spawn's Attack (and eventually the whole universe) which means that Fry would have never been able to travel to the past to become his own grandfather to lose that Brain Wave.

If you can't accept time travel I suggest that you don't watch Sci-Fi.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #22 on: 05-07-2009 03:39 »
« Last Edit on: 05-07-2009 03:43 by totalnerduk »

If you can't accept time travel I suggest that you don't watch Sci-Fi.

Nobody is failing to accept time travel. People are just tossing thoughts around. I think that we all know the explanation that the writers originally had in mind, and the canon explanation is a pretty neat-and-tidy closed loop. But the fact that DXC actually said that alternative explanations were just as valid means that this sort of idle speculation is not only acceptable from the POV of the show's creators, it is practically encouraged.

Also, your explanation is flawed. If Fry's grandpappy was originally Enos, then it follows that Fry was born without the Delta Brain Wave, but that there was no apparant reason for this. Until, Fry went to 1947 and replaced Enos as his grandfather. Which of course would have instantaneously made the whole loop make sense. But that's using an unlikely model for time travel and its consequences. You seem to be using a model that contradicts your projected results.

What's much more probable is that Fry's ancestry has always formed a closed loop, and therefore that certain events are "destined" - ie: whatever happens in between them, there is no avoiding certain outcomes, however the journey occurs and whatever happens along the way.

This seems consistent with the way that time travel is used in Futurama. The whole arc involving the past-nastification, missing delta brain wave, and even Fry's time-travel tattoo can be viewed as logically predetermined events looping along a chain of possibilities (waveforms that are continually collapsing to form the present) at set points.

I've kinda digressed here. Whilst it's pretty clear (at least to me) what is implied to have been going on, if people can come up with an alternate explanation for themselves, it's clear that DXC is just going to say "whatever works for you, man".
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #23 on: 05-07-2009 05:27 »

I actually do believe the closed loop (http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17462.msg1033456#msg1033456). When I said (this fictional event) I was joking about the fact that I was going to argue about what actually happened in a fictional story.

I have no problem with people working their mental gymnastics to make it believable for themselves. I'm simply pointing out that 307 and 410 strongly suggest that the Roswell incident is a closed loop and should be accounted for in theories.
cheeman

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« Reply #24 on: 05-08-2009 21:48 »

I belive you fistfulOAwsome and i think your icon is awesome!
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