Bender's Big Score Time Para-fauxes (spoilers)

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That's pretty much it I think. Excellent job with the layman's representation futz.

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Thanks for both of your input, futz and km73! You both really know a lot about "Bender's Big Score"'s doom concept. I can't say I really don't have any questions about it anymore, and if anything else comes up, and I think "Into the Wild Green Yonder" is supposed to address almost everything. I must add that futz did a fantastic job on the diagram. It really shows that you are dedicated to the series. I also must admire how you made the colors of Fry's and Lar's squares to match the color of their head (mainly Lars, because he's bald). But yes, thank you both for your time, efforts, and patience.

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Originally posted by Zamorano:
Also, I like to know where did the original tattoo come from? There must be a starting point?

I seem to recall we had a similar discussion about Fry's Y chromosome.
I'm under the impression both arose as an artifact of time-travel. That is, effects without causes.
   

Theres a second causality loop casualty in the case of the name Lars Fillmore: where does it come from? The first we hear of it is when Lars introduces himself, and later duplicate Fry learns that he is Lars and adopts the name... so the name is caught in a causality loop like his Y chromosome, it exists but it has no origin.

Now if that ain't a paradox, I don't know what is.

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Thanks for both of your input, futz and km73! You both really know a lot about "Bender's Big Score"'s doom concept.

Um... a very belated "you're welcome", I guess.

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I did wonder somewhat where Fry got the name 'Lars' from, or why he decided to
use that. Fillmore is a pun on filling jars, but whence Lars?

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It seemed to me that both Fry's creation of Lars was a causal loop. Fry never created him. He knows Lars, then realizes he is Lars, but never makes any decisions about who Lars is or should be, he just bases it off of his experiences with Lars that haven't happened yet. And from an even further philosophical standpoint, due to temporal continuity, whatever Fry does as Lars has to be exactly what Lars did, sort of a guarantee that things would work (as far as Fry saw before he went back in time, that is).

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Mm, that's the messed-up thing - one could argue if Fry actually has/had to deliberately "do" whatever Lars does/did; that is, if he has to be aware of it; or would/will everything "work out" anyway without him following any specific plan. Even if he doesn't specifically try to follow Lars' experiences, wouldn't the time paradox or causality loop still possibly correct itself.


But also, right, Fry didn't "create" Lars, he was already the self-sustaining time duplicate.
Or something.

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Actually you are right. After Fry went back in time, temporal continuity is out the window due to paradox-resolving deaths. Sorry, my determinism fetish creeping up and all.