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SpaceCase

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« Reply #40 on: 10-01-2008 19:55 »

In one of the commentaries David Cohen mentions that AL2 (?) is a more sophisticated cypher.

It is a "Mod-26" cipher.
Sadly, I did not find a suitable link to describe such a thing.

Says something like the 1st time a character is used it is one symbol, the 2nd time the same character is used another symbol is used and so on progressively. Makes it sound more like an Ultra Machine-type code.

I'm not familiar with it.
The way AL2 works (or so I'm told) is like so:
Assign a number to each letter in the latin alphabet based on its order in the alphabet.

   A=00   H=07   O=14   V=21
   B=01   I=08   P=15   W=22
   C=02   J=09   Q=16   X=23
   D=03   K=10   R=17   Y=24
   E=04   L=11   S=18   Z=25
   F=05   M=12   T=19   
   G=06   N=13   U=20   

Or some such.
In AL2 it is the difference between adjacent letters that give us the cipher.
Let’s encode “Futurama” in AL2.
   F=05   U=20   T=19   U=20   R=17   A=00   M=12   A=00

The first letter of the message has whatever number was originally assigned to it. For the rest, it is the numerical difference between the values of adjacent letters that gives us the cipher:
   F=05   05-00=05   
   U=20   20-05=15   
   T=19   19-20=25   (once ‘round)
   U=20   21-19=02   
   R=17   17-21=12   
   A=01   00-17=09   
   M=12   12-01=11   
   A=01   00-12=14   

Now reassigning letters according to their number:
   05=F   15=P   25=Z   02=C   12=M   09=J   11=L   14=O

So “FUTURAMA” becomes “FPZCMJLO.”

The difference between my crude example and actual AL2, is that AL2 uses a set of 26 arbitrary symbols to replace the numbers after subtraction.

Now, I think I've explained AL2 accurately.
If anyone knows better, PLEASE, correct me.

Bored into a light catatonia yet?
My work is done here...

Conrn-gran-u-lations!
You is all grad-gee-uts of SpaceCase’s school of cryptanalysis.
 confused
What? Y’want a certificate, or somethin’?  wink
I'll just ooze back under my rock now...
futz
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« Reply #41 on: 10-01-2008 20:53 »

I see.

http://www.digibarn.com/collections/locations/bletchley-park/bletchlypark-l-lewin/index.html
Metalhead308

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« Reply #42 on: 10-01-2008 22:27 »

Well from what I read it's a bit more complicated then that, as u said all the characters are given numbers based on their place in the alphabet and each number's given a sign but it dosen't quite work this way, the second character's value is added to the first and you use the appropriate symbol, in the case that the number u end up with is higher then 25, you should substract 26, this way you're sure it always makes sense but wheen i asked how they deciphered al2 i kinda meant how they got to find the key to reading al2
Gopher

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« Reply #43 on: 10-11-2008 02:40 »

Explaining the techniques used would be far too time-consuming for this thread. if you're really interested google cryptanalysis. If you're actually interested it will occupy a lot more than a couple of hours of your time.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #44 on: 10-11-2008 04:49 »

Explaining the techniques used would be far too time-consuming for this thread.

Nothing is too time-consuming for PEEL. What you're saying is that you can;t be bothered. tongue

You're a lazy rodent. I respect that.
winna

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« Reply #45 on: 10-13-2008 05:42 »

In AL2 it is the difference between adjacent letters that give us the cipher.
Let’s encode “Futurama” in AL2.
   F=05   U=20   T=19   U=20   R=17   A=00   M=12   A=00

The first letter of the message has whatever number was originally assigned to it. For the rest, it is the numerical difference between the values of adjacent letters that gives us the cipher:
   F=05   05-00=05   
   U=20   20-05=15   
   T=19   19-20=25   (once ‘round)
   U=20   21-19=02   
   R=17   17-21=12   
   A=01   00-17=09   
   M=12   12-01=11   
   A=01   00-12=14   


I'm not sure how you're arithmetic or assignments are working there.  Twenty minus five does indeed equal fifteen.  Nineteen minus twenty equals twenty-five?

The letter 'U' is represented by twenty, so twenty-one minus nineteen?? confused
x.Bianca.x

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« Reply #46 on: 10-27-2008 07:39 »

wow there's some great finds here, you'd think people would have cracked this sooner
PlanetExpress

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« Reply #47 on: 07-29-2009 12:56 »
« Last Edit on: 07-29-2009 13:00 »

That sign probably says "Don't Drink the Emperor."

It looks to me like it says 'Emporer' it has the right amount of characters if you look at it.

That would give us a big insite to the new alien language, but i think that the language on leela's braclet and the sign at the palace in my three suns are different because if you think about it why would the mutans use an Alien Language its more likelly to be two different languages.

Just a thought.
PlanetExpress

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« Reply #48 on: 07-29-2009 19:26 »
« Last Edit on: 07-29-2009 19:33 »

my theory about their being two different languages was falted if you wish to see how it was falted the look at this link:

http://www.peelified.com/Futurama-Forum-1/Topic-18144-0-Alien_Language_andor_a_M.html

hi soz i forgot to say i was new to the message board but i whant to try and help you wil the al3 (if it exists)
Svip

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« Reply #49 on: 07-29-2009 19:35 »

Well, I am personal not in favour of the theory that the language in "My Three Suns" has anything to do with Leela's bracelet.

They look similar, but the certainly do not look the same.  Look at the picture from "My Three Suns":



The most important characteristic you will notice is that this typography is simplistic styled.  It does not include too many quirks or other unneeded lines.



This, however, has far more interrupting lines.  The first character from the left has what appears to be an accent and a small dot to it.  Something our first example did not include whatsoever.

I'd also like to make a point, that the small character in the first one, seems to be a separator, or perhaps a not symbol, and if so, I would argue that it can be directly translated as "emperor, not drink" or "emperor, [do] not drink [him]".

Though, for my money, it is more likely just to be cool looking gibberish.
PlanetExpress

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« Reply #50 on: 07-29-2009 20:11 »

it could be his name?
after looking at the picture the small character or space as you say which is very posible is a r where as the last letter would have to be the same where itis not so it could be his name or as you say gibberish.
PlanetExpress

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« Reply #51 on: 07-29-2009 20:15 »
« Last Edit on: 07-29-2009 20:18 »

Hey just out of curiosity do you know what leelas initials are exactly?
and
is al1/2 the same as english just using symbols instead because i think it is just checking?
Frisco17

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« Reply #52 on: 07-29-2009 21:03 »

Her initials would be TL naturally.

AL 1 is just English with the latin characters replaced with new ones.

AL 2 is essentially the same but also uses addative encryption.
PlanetExpress

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« Reply #53 on: 07-29-2009 21:08 »

chers for that you know in leelas homeword are the braclets the same i cant tell
Svip

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« Reply #54 on: 07-29-2009 21:55 »

Take a look at the following (here I have drawn up each of the two sightings in question):

Leela's Bracelet:


Emperor inscription:


First impression is that these two set of glyphs have nothing in common.  And that is probably also the truth.
PlanetExpress

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« Reply #55 on: 07-30-2009 17:59 »

Look at Emperor inscription it looks like:
ocen eu but in a different font which could be his name but is unlikely Ocen Eu
and the first Character on Leelas Braclet looks like a face with one eye.
PlanetExpress

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« Reply #56 on: 07-30-2009 18:00 »
« Last Edit on: 07-30-2009 18:17 »

Chers for the pics but i meant the braclet leela has and her mothers are they the same i cant tell?
Svip

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« Reply #57 on: 07-30-2009 18:01 »

Chers for the pics but i meant the craclet leela has and her mothers are they the same i cant tell?

I took a look at those two, and they are completely identical, or rather, they are as identical as hand drawings can be.
PlanetExpress

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« Reply #58 on: 07-30-2009 18:08 »
« Last Edit on: 07-30-2009 18:11 »

chers for that do you know what the form is for robot arms apts because i translated benders room from binary and wondered if anyone would like to know

No need got it
leela09

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« Reply #59 on: 08-16-2009 00:26 »

Could the third symbol on the bracelet be a ponytail?Maybe it is just a pictogram and not a language.Yet.
coldangel

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« Reply #60 on: 08-16-2009 02:28 »

It's a dead language. Could take a while to decipher.
Okay, done. It tells us to go to the Nazca Lines in Peru; there we'll find the Crystal Skull.
leela09

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« Reply #61 on: 08-16-2009 02:48 »

The second symbol looks like Leela's boot.I looked up Munda in the dictionary,oops Wikipedia and it mentioned a language in India"Mundari" actually but their language is strictly spoken with no alphabet.No help there
futz
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« Reply #62 on: 08-16-2009 03:39 »

If you Google "Munda" you'll get several references from the last battle of Julius Ceasar in Spain to an Indian Language.
coldangel

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« Reply #63 on: 08-16-2009 03:57 »

Er, from "Leela's Homeworld":

MUNDA
                         It says, "Your parents love you very
                         much".
Freako

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« Reply #64 on: 08-16-2009 05:25 »

Er, from "Leela's Homeworld":

MUNDA
                         It says, "Your parents love you very
                         much".

That's the alien language 1 note that was left with her, not the bracelet.
coldangel

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« Reply #65 on: 08-16-2009 06:08 »

Oh right, the bracelet...
Sorry I wasn't paying close attention because I don't care that much.
Jezzem

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« Reply #66 on: 08-16-2009 06:11 »

Has anyone ever considered that perhaps the symbols on the bracelet don't actually mean anything and they're just symbols?
Freako

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« Reply #67 on: 08-16-2009 06:16 »

Has anyone ever considered that perhaps the symbols on the bracelet don't actually mean anything and they're just symbols?

I started considering that the moment I first saw it.
coldangel

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« Reply #68 on: 08-16-2009 06:22 »

It's an ancient Assyrian script. Loosely translated it says: "Get a life, nerds". Though the ancient Assyrian word for 'nerd' is more like 'bloated man-child of limited strength'.
leela09

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« Reply #69 on: 08-16-2009 08:15 »

I'm sure that you are an expert on the Ass-yrian language.You probably wrote it.This post literally translated means I don't give a tinkers dam what you think.
Jezzem

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« Reply #70 on: 08-16-2009 09:03 »

Oh Coldy. You and your enemy making...
coldangel

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« Reply #71 on: 08-16-2009 09:13 »

It's always nice to weed out the folk who take themselves far too seriously.

To the non-idiots: you know I was kidding. I'm a bigger nerd than anybody.
leela09

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« Reply #72 on: 08-16-2009 11:08 »

Yeah easy for you to sit there and flame somebody who put in hours of research,trying to solve arguably the biggest mystery of this series.Then have the nerve to imply idiocy if the person you flame doesn't understand your brand of "humor".Pathetic.
Freako

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« Reply #73 on: 08-16-2009 11:18 »
« Last Edit on: 08-16-2009 11:20 by Futurama_Freak1 »

Yeah easy for you to sit there and flame somebody who put in hours of research,trying to solve arguably the biggest mystery of this series.Then have the nerve to imply idiocy if the person you flame doesn't understand your brand of "humor".Pathetic.

You're just grumpy because you failed coldie's test.
leela09

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« Reply #74 on: 08-16-2009 11:33 »

And the test is....Whether you can say nothing and take his garbage.Happy to fail.
coldangel

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« Reply #75 on: 08-16-2009 11:36 »

What the hell?
Haha. Jesus. Take it easy.

a) it's a cartoon.

b) you're off your rocker.
Frisco17

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« Reply #76 on: 08-16-2009 18:25 »

Yeah easy for you to sit there and flame somebody who put in hours of research,trying to solve arguably the biggest mystery of this series.

Seriously? Did you ever consider that it may just be random symbols.
leela09

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« Reply #77 on: 08-16-2009 20:57 »

Honestly.Space Pope, you've probably seen the show more than I have.Have you ever seen anything like this to be just decoration?Alien signs abound in 2 different languagesHistorical referrences are in every conversation.Everything means something in Futurama.The odds are astronomical that the bracelet means nothing.That nobody discusses my findings and everyone questions my sanity speaks volumes on the people who post on this board.
Jezzem

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« Reply #78 on: 08-16-2009 21:18 »

Honestly.Space Pope, you've probably seen the show more than I have.Have you ever seen anything like this to be just decoration?Alien signs abound in 2 different languagesHistorical referrences are in every conversation.Everything means something in Futurama.The odds are astronomical that the bracelet means nothing.That nobody discusses my findings and everyone questions my sanity speaks volumes on the people who post on this board.

You're acting like as if the bracelet would be the first thing in Futurama that doesn't have some hidden meaning
leela09

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« Reply #79 on: 08-16-2009 21:32 »

Posession of a major character that has a strange glyph on it.Says random to me.
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