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McGrady

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« on: 02-17-2002 22:40 »

Post all your nitpickings here.

I noticed that the building to the right (left from the ocean point of view) mysteriously vanished when Fry and Leela went out for a walk.

Also, after Leela jumped down from the extremely high distance (with the manhole cover) into the pool of toxic waste and fought the 3 eyed guy, she ran into a corridor where light was shining in... later it zoomed down from above on the same coridor, and it was implied that it was directly underground.  Did Fry and Bender get out on top of a huge dome?
Nixorbo

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« Reply #1 on: 02-17-2002 23:12 »

Well, I noticed that the tear in the note found on Leela mysteriously disappeared when they stuck it into the machine.
Venus

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« Reply #2 on: 02-17-2002 23:55 »

i noticed that in X-mas story theres a picture that shows Leela abandoned in an allyway and then in Leela's homeworld it shows that she was abandoned on the orphanarium doorstep. And that bracelet just appeared out of nowhere. shes never worn that before.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #3 on: 02-18-2002 00:01 »

The bracelet is underneath her wristamajig, which is why we never see it.

(unless she's been seen without her wristamajig before, in which case I have no explanation, sorry)
Venus

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« Reply #4 on: 02-18-2002 00:23 »

ive seen her without her wrist-o-thingy
FishyJoe

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« Reply #5 on: 02-18-2002 00:39 »

Maybe she takes the bracelet off whenever she takes her wrist thingy off. That's why you don't see it, even when she has her wrist thingy off.

(unless there's a scene that deliberately shows her taking off her wristamajig but they still don't show her bracelet, in which case I have no explanation, sorry)
McGrady

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« Reply #6 on: 02-18-2002 00:39 »
« Last Edit on: 02-18-2002 00:39 »

She took her wristamacallit off when she got busy with fry in anthology of interest 1, as well as the episode where Mom orders the robots to revolt (it jumps off, then tells her to wash her wrist; she brings her arm up to her nose and sniffs it).  I think when she dresses up she doesn't wear it either (swimsuit, party dress, etc).
Sventonivs
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« Reply #7 on: 02-18-2002 00:55 »

The toxic waste that Bender dumps into the sewers that mutates the DNA seems to be the same that comes right out of that machine that the professor makes. However, Hermes touches and ingests the toxic waste and he doesn't mutate. Maybe it just takes a larger quantity.
Sarge

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« Reply #8 on: 02-18-2002 01:35 »

Carl-"You see, this is why I don't talk so much."
FilthyCrab

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« Reply #9 on: 02-18-2002 11:01 »

Maybe Fry was right about Hermes being an outer-space potato man.  That's why he doesn't mutate when he tastes the toxic waste.
Venus

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« Reply #10 on: 02-18-2002 19:47 »

This isn't an error, but it confused me nonetheless. When the crew were suspended over the lake and Leela's parents walked up, why did Leela's mom shout out her full name? I have never refered to a person by their first and last name while talking to them. Why didn't her mom just yell out Torunga or even Tori for that matter? It made the scene seem kinda off to me.
Just Chris

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« Reply #11 on: 02-18-2002 19:54 »

Hmm...I think parents usually call their kids by their full name when they're pissed at them. And also, the toxic waste that was dumped on the tree ate its way through the concrete, but does nothing once its underground.
McGrady

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« Reply #12 on: 02-18-2002 20:07 »

And why did the letters her parents give her say, "Happy birthday, Leela?"
VelourFog

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« Reply #13 on: 02-18-2002 20:21 »

 
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Originally posted by McGrady:
And why did the letters her parents give her say, "Happy birthday, Leela?"
you mean like the birthday present they gave her?  I bet it said that because it was for her, on her birthday. If they are "stalking" her I'm sure they know her name and when her "birthday" is.  And if you found a package on the street you wouldn't assume it's for you. Leela being a pretty decent person probably wouldn't just take something that was sitting around on the street.

McGrady

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« Reply #14 on: 02-18-2002 20:25 »
« Last Edit on: 02-18-2002 20:25 »

I meant, why did they call her Leela on her birthday card and not Toronga; not why did they give her a birthday present.
VelourFog

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« Reply #15 on: 02-18-2002 20:36 »

well probably the same reason Fry and everyone calls her Leela.  and that is a question I just can't answer. 
meisterPOOP

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« Reply #16 on: 02-18-2002 21:13 »

Probably contained naked child porn.
Allen

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« Reply #17 on: 02-18-2002 22:25 »

Here's a good one. Leela is not affected by the toxins (because she is a mutant) and niether is Bender. So the only person her parents would have really been saving was Fry.

Of course, they may have figured that she would put two and two together after being dipped and not affected. Yet, she didn't get the hint when she dove into the toxic lake herself and came up fine.

Plus, they kept the note that Fry gave Leela about his feelings for her. Sure, it was flushed by her, but it wasn't something written by her.

So just some curious questions. Something to think about. smile
Venus

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« Reply #18 on: 02-18-2002 22:42 »

i hope they return in more episodes and i hope they spend some of that screen time trying to set Leela up with Fry. That would be so adorably funny.
McGrady

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« Reply #19 on: 02-18-2002 23:34 »

Allen: They were trying to prevent Leela from learning her heritage.  I am sure they know about Fry, and would probably try to save him, but Leela getting dumped into the waste with Fry, and only Fry mutate, might throw her into suspicious mode.

Am I just crazy or do those floating flying rat hog fish remind me of a movie (flying fish).
DrThunder88

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« Reply #20 on: 02-19-2002 00:24 »

Piranha II?
McGrady

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« Reply #21 on: 02-19-2002 00:40 »

No... I am thinking something along the lines of just regular fish swimming around in the air; maybe something like from the yellow submarine?

I know this is a reference to something, and it has been bugging me.
wu_konguk

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« Reply #22 on: 02-21-2002 15:25 »

What about the mutant who has three arms ( I don't know his name) but is I second that Emotion his third arm was in place of his ear but in this episode he had an ear go figure.
Allen

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« Reply #23 on: 02-21-2002 17:53 »

 
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Originally posted by McGrady:
Allen: They were trying to prevent Leela from learning her heritage.  I am sure they know about Fry, and would probably try to save him, but Leela getting dumped into the waste with Fry, and only Fry mutate, might throw her into suspicious mode.

Am I just crazy or do those floating flying rat hog fish remind me of a movie (flying fish).

Gee, I'm sure I admitted that but I also said that she remained clueless after jumping in herself. Of course, like I said before, she could have gotten the hint if that had happened, but still.

Her parents also saw her jump in and continued to run. I mean come on, getting dipped and not changing definately is a big clue. One she missed almost entirely, but then I've said that smile
Future Angel
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« Reply #24 on: 02-21-2002 17:55 »

The three armed mutant is Raoul. I noticed that first thing. It was a pretty big ear. So with an arm and a big ear on the right side of his head he looked a very different than he did in "i Second That Emotion" or even his cameo in "Xmas Story."
PainoMan

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« Reply #25 on: 02-21-2002 18:57 »

 
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Originally posted by Allen:
Yet, she didn't get the hint when she dove into the toxic lake herself and came up fine.

Yes she did.  I can't remember her dialog exactly but she did say something about not mutating.  Though she may not have figured it out completely, she was definitely catching on.

PainoMan

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« Reply #26 on: 02-21-2002 18:59 »

Wasn't there a flying fish screen-saver?  Or am I just thinking of the flying toaster screen-saver?
Allen

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« Reply #27 on: 02-21-2002 19:10 »

And then she said: What is going on here? I see your point. She still clung to the alien theory when confronting her parents though. I also think it was surprise she expressed at the waters not mutating her. She was all too willing to accept the truth when she saw her parents. Why did she not confront it at the waters?

So expressing surprise at not being mutated isn't quite the same as getting the hint. She could have said: "The waters didn't mutate me, that must mean I'm a..." Then she could have accepted the truth when she found her parents.

I suppose her questioning of what's going on does mean she was getting suspcious. But why claim she was still an alien?
Venus

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« Reply #28 on: 02-21-2002 21:33 »

Because she grew up believing she was an alien. She didn't even believe mutants existed until she saw them in I Second That Emotion. And dropping something you completely believed for 20+years has to be difficult. But she accepted it without question when she actually saw her parents faces because she had been so desperate for a family she wasn't going to turn away from one being dropped in her lap.
Allen

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« Reply #29 on: 02-21-2002 21:49 »

When you're right, you're right. Still, the waters did hold the biggest clue. It couldn't have been clearer if it slapped her in the face.

After seeing it several times, I find I understand their reasons for not wanting her to know, but I still maintain that having their daughter attempt to kill them was a bad plan.

That being said, why did they allow Fry to remove their hoods? They were about to let their daughter shoot them so it wouldn't matter if they tried to protect their identity during the final moments. Not that it would have mattered, she would have seen the truth once they were dead. I'll never truly understand that. Committing suicide I can see. Letting Leela kill them? No. To do so, they would have driven their daughter to madness.

That's my opinion. Feel free to comment
McGrady

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« Reply #30 on: 02-21-2002 21:54 »
« Last Edit on: 02-21-2002 21:54 »

She knew something was up; otherwise she would not have jumped into the waste.  The way I see it, at that point she knew that it was a possibility she was a mutant, but did not want to accept it.  She has had a HUGE aversion to mutants before.  It is similar to a racist finding out he is 1/2 black.

It's possible in my mind that she might have actually killed her parents to avoid the truth -- and her parents would allow her to do it.  Her parents are very ashamed of themselves, and would rather Leela kill them than allow her to find out.  Leela didn't want to admit that she was a mutant, so she kills the people who say they killed her parents.  Only Fry's intervention and forcing the truth upon her stopped her.

At least, this is the only way that makes sense for me that I can understand.  Leela definately behaved oddly -- acting as if she knew she was a mutant one minute, then forgetting the next.

Again, she would have not jumped into the waste unless she KNEW that something was up.
Venus

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« Reply #31 on: 02-21-2002 22:01 »

 
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Originally posted by McGrady:
She has had a HUGE aversion to mutants before.  It is similar to a racist finding out he is 1/2 black.

Wait,what? I don't remember her ever having an aversion to mutants. From what i remember she didn't believe they existed but once she saw them she accepted them with no further question. That's not racism. Did she say something in an ep somewhere that i missed?

And i agree with Allen. Letting their daughter shoot them in cold blood in their own house = one hysterical daughter. NOT a well thought out plan on their parts.


The last time i tried to kill myself was about an hour ago. I jumped off this really tall building. But i ended up doing a triple backflip and landing on my feet. No one saw it of course, except for two little kittens and one kitten turned to the other and said "See? That's how you do that."
Allen

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« Reply #32 on: 02-21-2002 22:07 »
« Last Edit on: 02-21-2002 22:07 »

Mcgrady: You speak wisely, yet miss something. If she was so bent on not learning the "truth" Why does she willingly accept her parents with joy? She wouldn't have warmed up to them so fast after chasing them the entire ep. if she was so bent on avoiding the obvious signs of her mutant heritage?

Let's put your view into perspective. If she killed them, she could probably say they were not her parents. That's what I feel you're saying. In the ep. recognition and admittance comes easy.

So, she would most definitely develop that mental illness, she talked about. Forcing herself to repress the fact that she did kill her parents would later come back as a complete breakdown. Either way, killing them out of ignorance or denial would land her in the loony bin.

P.S. Just because she jumped into the lake does not mean she was supicious of being a mutant. She guessed they knew something about her, but she didn't know what. 
McGrady

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« Reply #33 on: 02-21-2002 22:14 »
« Last Edit on: 02-21-2002 22:14 »

Let me rephrase that: She is repulsed by them (showed her repulsed several times).  When she first heard about mutants, she got very angry at the concept of them. "There's no such thing as mutants. That's a ridiculous urban myth."  More angry than normal; maybe she was just feuding with Amy, I don't know.  She also doesn't like guys with weird body parts (vile lizard tongue, too many eyes, etc.)

I don't mean she hates mutants (she is actually quite pro-mutant compared to most people); she is just repulsed by the concept of them.  My statement that she was like a racist finding out he is 1/2 black isn't saying she is racist (racist doesn't mean hate; it is a mindset of superiority) -- it is saying that you can't stand something but you find out that you are part of what you can't stand.

Allen: then *why* did she jump into the lake?  She was shown that normal things got mutated; mutants did not get mutated.  Understand came easy because she knew (deep down) that these could be her parents, but she did not want to admit it until she was forced to see them.
Allen

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« Reply #34 on: 02-21-2002 22:20 »

You make a good point, but she does point out to Bender that the mutants won't be pleased with his actions. That indicates that she has some respect for them like you say. Her acceptance her parents still was a short road compared to your racist, which might have spent years in denial. I don't think she was in denial. Confused and led on are more appropiate words.
Allen

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« Reply #35 on: 02-21-2002 22:25 »

 
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Originally posted by McGrady:
Allen: then *why* did she jump into the lake?  She was shown that normal things got mutated; mutants did not get mutated.  Understand came easy because she knew (deep down) that these could be her parents, but she did not want to admit it until she was forced to see them.

Then *why* didn't she admit it? She had a family. She'd always wanted one. Most adoptees would be glad to know where they came from. Are you saying she really didn't?
Venus

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« Reply #36 on: 02-21-2002 22:26 »
« Last Edit on: 02-21-2002 22:26 »

McGrady: plus you gotta take into account that she was still in panic mode over seeing her whole life on display on some strangers wall. So at this point she still wouldn't have been thinking clearly. She might have actually thought more about why the lake didn't change her but she was immediantly destracted by her parents and was too busy trying to keep them in her sight to really think to much about the lake.
Allen

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« Reply #37 on: 02-21-2002 22:28 »

Are you talking to me or Mcgrady?
McGrady

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« Reply #38 on: 02-21-2002 22:29 »
« Last Edit on: 02-21-2002 22:29 »

Timeline of events:

1.  Strangers save everyone
2.  Leela discovers someone has been collecting articles relating to her
3.  Strangers save everyone again
4.  Fry + Bender leave.  Leela sees the strangers again
5.  Leela jumps into the pool of waste that she knows will mutate her if she is not a mutant
6.  Leela is not mutated and expresses surprize at not being mutated
7.  Chases the strangers, comes to a showdown with them
8.  Threatens to shoot the strangers; notices matching bracelet.  Discovers these strangers "killed" her parents; prepares to kill them (without asking them to take off their hoods -- why?)
9.  Fry shows up and unviels them.  Leela expresses surprize and realizes the final truth, that the mutants are her parents.

The possibilities I see are that she is in denial; or she believes her parents were mutants but killed by THESE mutants; or she believed her parents were aliens and these mutants killed them, and was willing to be mutated to get revenge.

Any others ideas?  I am having a hard time figuring out why she jumped into the toxic waste knowing that she would be mutated; or knowing that she was a mutant, willing to kill mutants out of character.

I still believe that she didn't want to find out that she was actually a mutant, at any cost.  As someone said a while back, after thinking you are special and unique for 20 something years, finding out that not only you are from earth, you aren't even "pure".
Allen

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« Reply #39 on: 02-21-2002 22:32 »

She possibly decided it was worth the risk.
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