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Dave B

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« on: 06-05-2006 15:46 »
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Ok you know in the episode The Day The Earth Stood Stupid when Fry was immune to the brains mental attack due to missing the delta brain wave, well this was explained that Fry had pieced together a working mind to create this immunity right.

But in the later episode of The Why Of Fry Fry is told that in more detail of his immunity of his mind being pieced together for his immunity due to when he went back in time and went to bed with his grandma (sort of speak) to create this missing delta brain wave. But then how is this possible in the time frame of Fry in Futurama as the Brains attacked in the episode The Day The Earth Stood Stupid where he was immune to the brains attack therefore missing the delta brain wave, but Fry creates this immunity from visiting the past in a later episode of Roswell That Ends Well, so how can this immunity be present in The Day The Earth sttod stupid as this is before Fry created this immunity in Roswell That Ends Well so he shouldn't have the immunity before the episode Roswell That Ends Well, but he does in The Day The Earth Stood Stupid???????

Also its not the reason that the past was changed before The Day The Earth Stood Stupid as he visited the past and it was changed for him for this episode, because as Fry said in The Cryonic Woman, that time is a strait line and also this strait line time also allows the fact that Fry's shadow isn't present on the first episode to knock him into the Cryogenic Freezer due to Fry's shadow being shown after the episode of The Why Of Fry when Fry went back in time to initially stop him from falling in (but you know what happens...) where Fry's shadow is shown in Jurrasic Bark proving this strait line in time is present through Futurama. So to get to my point from this is that the strait libe time I have now explained would mean that Fry shouldn't have the brain mental attack immunity before he went back into Roswell to change the past, but Fry does have the brain attack immunity in the previous episode of The Day The Earth Stood Stupid before Fry visited Roswell in the episdoe Roswell That Ends Well????       :confused:

lol anyone have any suggestions to this mystery in Futurama?????       :)
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« Reply #1 on: 06-05-2006 15:49 »

Fry didn't change history because it had already happened.

And how would Fry know about the inner workings of the space-time continuum for his comments to be taken at any more than face value?
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« Reply #2 on: 06-05-2006 15:58 »
« Last Edit on: 06-05-2006 15:58 »

   
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
Fry didn't change history because it had already happened.

And how would Fry know about the inner workings of the space-time continuum for his comments to be taken at any more than face value?

No but the change in history originated from somewhere hence Fry's actions and also I knew someone was going to say you can't trust Fry but I have proved that time does go in a strait line in my first post of this topic due to Fry's shadow only being present after Fry went back and changed time after The Why Of Fry (e.g. in Jurrasic Bark which is after the episode The Why Of Fry) so you can still disregard Fry's comment but it is present as I have just explained of time going in a strait line... So the mystery still remains I believe...     :confused:      :)
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« Reply #3 on: 06-05-2006 17:27 »

I second Nix, the nasty pasty had already happened.

 
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Originally posted by Dave B:
    No but the change in history originated from somewhere hence Fry's actions and also I knew someone was going to say you can't trust Fry but I have proved that time does go in a strait line in my first post of this topic due to Fry's shadow only being present after Fry went back and changed time after The Why Of Fry

One ought to maintain greater scepticism over extrapolating a highly non-linear and universally applied conclusion with extensive ramifications based on a particular human specimen with highly unique characteristics.

Or in more layman terms: the explanation that the two shots were taken from slgihtly different angles seems much more likely and logical.
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« Reply #4 on: 06-05-2006 18:43 »

I remember Totalnerduk did a really good explanation of how time-travel and causality seemed to work in Futurama that explained how RTEW and TWOF fit together and how every that happened had always been that way: basically, causality doesn't have to be chronoligical.

I forget the full physics explanation of it and can't be bothered to look up the thread, but I remember equating it to Adams' Laws of Causality from Mostly Harmless, and TNUK didn't correct me, so here they are:

1. Anything that happens, happens.
2. Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.
3. Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.
4. It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though.

Now the important bit for The Why of Fry is something I made up that I like to call Cohen's Corollary to Adams' Third Law:

3b. Anything that, in happening, prevents itself from happening, doesn't happen.

The Why of Fry's time travel is a self-eliminating paradox: by going back in time and communicating with Nibbler ("Scooty Puff Jr. sucks!" ), Fry prevents himself from being able to go back in time, and therefore doesn't.

Think of the space-time continuum as a long string that elongates as one end moves from the past toward the future.  The string was briefly looped back about 1000 years along it's length, and we saw the scene from The Why of Fry.  Then, as the paradox resolved itself, the end of the string was pulled back toward the future and the loop was eliminated.  Fry never went back in time in TWOF, except to prevent himself from going back in time.  Therefore, we only see Fry's shadow in the now-non-existant event of Fry's going back in time.  See?
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« Reply #5 on: 06-05-2006 19:37 »
« Last Edit on: 06-05-2006 19:37 by totalnerduk »

No searching required: Juliet's site still has most of my explantion:

1. Enos Fry was never Philip J Frys granddad. Fry was always Fry's granddad. This bizzare form of inbreeding is what makes Fry immune to the Brain Spawn, as it has erased the Delta brainwave from his genetic code. This also explains the utter lunacy of his father, to a degree.

2. This was always meant to happen, eplaining the segment from AOI1. The apparant "paradox" becomes clear. The universe would evidently not survive the existance of a true paradox.

3. Fry travels back in time to 31st December 1999, meeting Past Nibbler. Frys disappearance following his freezing seems odd, but...
...Fry has arrived at this point in Space-Time from an alternate reality, caused by events in the future. As Fry talks with Nibbler, time is not erased, but History is merely added to. The significant events proceed as planned.
 
4.Once Fry has added to History by telling Nibbler that the Scooty Puff Jr. "sucks", he sets in motion a chain of events that lead to the procurement of a Scooty Puff Snr for him in the future. Fry is not trapped in the Quatum Hole/Bubble, but Time has aparantly been altered...
...The events that led to this are sealed off in their own "loop" within time, as they DO have a logical path.

5.Time has therefore not been CHANGED, but FULFILLED. You can never change time, merely fulfill it. There is a destiny for everything, but it is the details of the journey that can change. The seemingly insignificant ones.

Edit: So yeah, N-O-R, I see nowhere that our respective explanations differ.

Edit again: And here is the non-cut-down version for all you smart kids.
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« Reply #6 on: 06-05-2006 20:20 »

Terry Pratchett has some neat ideas about causality, etc - if I bother to find them I'll post them.
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« Reply #7 on: 06-06-2006 07:19 »
« Last Edit on: 06-06-2006 07:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
I remember Totalnerduk did a really good explanation of how time-travel and causality seemed to work in Futurama that explained how RTEW and TWOF fit together and how every that happened had always been that way: basically, causality doesn't have to be chronoligical.

I forget the full physics explanation of it and can't be bothered to look up the thread, but I remember equating it to Adams' Laws of Causality from Mostly Harmless, and TNUK didn't correct me, so here they are:

1. Anything that happens, happens.
2. Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.
3. Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.
4. It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though.

Now the important bit for The Why of Fry is something I made up that I like to call Cohen's Corollary to Adams' Third Law:

3b. Anything that, in happening, prevents itself from happening, doesn't happen.

The Why of Fry's time travel is a self-eliminating paradox: by going back in time and communicating with Nibbler ("Scooty Puff Jr. sucks!" ), Fry prevents himself from being able to go back in time, and therefore doesn't.

Think of the space-time continuum as a long string that elongates as one end moves from the past toward the future.  The string was briefly looped back about 1000 years along it's length, and we saw the scene from The Why of Fry.  Then, as the paradox resolved itself, the end of the string was pulled back toward the future and the loop was eliminated.  Fry never went back in time in TWOF, except to prevent himself from going back in time.  Therefore, we only see Fry's shadow in the now-non-existant event of Fry's going back in time.  See?

Wow yeah I see how that is in context with the show now, thanks for explaining it, so the loop in time has sorted itself out into the strait line of time (the string analogy)to add details of the history of how Fry gets the message to Nibbler that Scooty Puff Junior sucks. Very nice work Nerd and Total nerd, you have done a great job of explaining it to me   :)    ;) Thank you, I believe I understand the space-time continium time line of Futurama now with the entire Fry travelling back in time incident to Roswell to allow his genetic code to be absent ofthe delta brain wave within his brain...   :)
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« Reply #8 on: 06-06-2006 08:21 »

You're welcome.  Now for the payment.

The way I see it, writing that post made me ten minutes late for work.  That works out to a pay dock of 1.42 USD.  I accept PayPal donations, checks, or money orders.
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« Reply #9 on: 06-06-2006 08:50 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
You're welcome.  Now for the payment.

The way I see it, writing that post made me ten minutes late for work.  That works out to a pay dock of 1.42 USD.  I accept PayPal donations, checks, or money orders.

Will Postal orders be ok??? lol

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« Reply #10 on: 06-06-2006 10:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
I remember Totalnerduk did a really good explanation of how time-travel and causality seemed to work in Futurama that explained how RTEW and TWOF fit together and how every that happened had always been that way: basically, causality doesn't have to be chronoligical.

I forget the full physics explanation of it and can't be bothered to look up the thread, but I remember equating it to Adams' Laws of Causality from Mostly Harmless, and TNUK didn't correct me, so here they are:

1. Anything that happens, happens.
2. Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.
3. Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.
4. It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though.

Now the important bit for The Why of Fry is something I made up that I like to call Cohen's Corollary to Adams' Third Law:

3b. Anything that, in happening, prevents itself from happening, doesn't happen.

The Why of Fry's time travel is a self-eliminating paradox: by going back in time and communicating with Nibbler ("Scooty Puff Jr. sucks!" ), Fry prevents himself from being able to go back in time, and therefore doesn't.

Think of the space-time continuum as a long string that elongates as one end moves from the past toward the future.  The string was briefly looped back about 1000 years along it's length, and we saw the scene from The Why of Fry.  Then, as the paradox resolved itself, the end of the string was pulled back toward the future and the loop was eliminated.  Fry never went back in time in TWOF, except to prevent himself from going back in time.  Therefore, we only see Fry's shadow in the now-non-existant event of Fry's going back in time.  See?

i would tend to agree those 1-4 rules apply to just about every tv series that has time travel in it that i can remember currently.
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« Reply #11 on: 06-06-2006 10:27 »

Time is a thical misstress...
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« Reply #12 on: 06-06-2006 11:54 »

I think you mean a fickle mistress. Time isn't "fickle". It is not a constant (assuming that one is able to travel through time), but it does at least keep the same consistency. For example, you can't change the past. By attempting to change the past, you are more likely to ensure that the past happens just the way that it always has done. Thus, time is fairly reliable.
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« Reply #13 on: 06-06-2006 12:40 »

 
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I think you mean a fickle mistress. Time isn't "fickle". It is not a constant (assuming that one is able to travel through time), but it does at least keep the same consistency. For example, you can't change the past. By attempting to change the past, you are more likely to ensure that the past happens just the way that it always has done. Thus, time is fairly reliable.

lol thats what I meant, yes and point taken  :)
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« Reply #14 on: 06-07-2006 07:56 »

I haven't read any posts except the first one, so I'll explain it:

The PE crew travel back to 1947 and Fry sleeps with his grandmother. When it was REALLY 1947, the PE crew would have still appeared, even though they hadn't been born yet. After it is the year 3000, they travel back in time to the 1947 that originally occured, and this time, because they are actually alive now, they remember it, so the events in the Roswell episode would have actually occured in the REAL 1947...so in 1947 the PE crew appear briefly, Fry sleeps with his grandma, yadda yadda yadda Fry's dad is born, they have Yancy and Fry himself, Fry goes into the future...the PE crew goes back in time to Roswell where everything now occurs from the PE crew's point of view.

If you're confused, think of this:
You're at home one day and suddenly someone looking exactly like you walks in and says hi. You think it's strange, but then a few years later you travel back to that time. This time, you're the person that says hi, and you finally understand you were talking to yourself from a few years into the future.
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« Reply #15 on: 06-07-2006 08:41 »
« Last Edit on: 06-07-2006 08:41 »

As this is on topic I will say it now then, as I understand now about the entire Roswell incident but I have just thought of something else...

Ok you know when Fry's dad says to Yancy when Fry is born that he is called Yancy like his father etc well Yancy's father is Fry right, then how come Fry's dad thinks his dad is called Yancy   :) lol
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« Reply #16 on: 06-07-2006 09:37 »

"Son, your name is Yancy, just like me and my grandfather and so on, all the way back to Minuteman Yancy Fry, who blasted Commies in the American Revolution."
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« Reply #17 on: 06-07-2006 09:56 »
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"Son, your name is Yancy, just like me and my grandfather and so on, all the way back to Minuteman Yancy Fry, who blasted Commies in the American Revolution."

Ahhh sorry, easy mistake     :) but then to put that into context how would Fry's dad know his grandad was called Yancy if his father was Fry, he must have remembered his grandad which isn't exactly, now that time has been fulfilled, his grandad. As Enus is the broken link which dissconects Fry's dad from having the grandad which would be Enus's father which Fry has fixed by sorting out time, for him to be in the grandad position..... lol     :)
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« Reply #18 on: 06-08-2006 00:01 »

Yancy Fry Sr. thought Enos was his father.  Enos' father was presumably named Yancy. 

So why was Enos named Enos?  My theory: he was a younger brother.  The Yancy Fry of that generation was killed in WWII. 

(When he slipped on a banana peel and fell on a tent stake he'd accidentally pounded in upside-down. )
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« Reply #19 on: 06-08-2006 00:54 »
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Originally posted by Dave B:
    Ahhh sorry, easy mistake       :) but then to put that into context how would Fry's dad know his grandad was called Yancy if his father was Fry, he must have remembered his grandad which isn't exactly, now that time has been fulfilled, his grandad. As Enus is the broken link which dissconects Fry's dad from having the grandad which would be Enus's father which Fry has fixed by sorting out time, for him to be in the grandad position..... lol       :)

Fry's grandmother/lover could have lied to Yancy (Fry's dad/son)
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« Reply #20 on: 06-08-2006 00:59 »

 
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Enos' father was presumably named Yancy.

Or Mildred's father was.  (Perhaps she didn't have any brothers.)
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« Reply #21 on: 06-08-2006 18:56 »
« Last Edit on: 06-08-2006 18:56 »

Hmmmm....I was about to say that the name Yancy was a part of the Fry family line, and that we have no evidence that Mildred and Yancy were skirting a taboo in marrying (i.e., that they were close enough cousins that Mildred's last name was "Fry" also); but then again, if the Frys were a little inclined to go to family reunions to pick up dates, it would explain how (other than Fry's own indiscretion) enough genes got crossed to produce our Fry's unique condition.  If the family had been engaging in questionable marriages (pun only a little intended) it would make such a bizarre and yet still functional mutation a bit more likely. 

They aren't totally inbred, since Yancy Jr. seems normal enough, but it explains why eccentricity runs in the family.

Then again, it could be that Fry's Delta-wave mutation came from the same place his Y chromosone did: nowhere.  It might be just an anomaly that runs endlessly through its own time-loop, with no beginning or end, like the surface of a Moebius strip.

Cue "Scary Door" music....  :evillaugh:
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« Reply #22 on: 06-08-2006 19:19 »

Why assume that Enos is a Fry at all?  Do they ever say what his surname is in the episode?
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« Reply #23 on: 06-09-2006 03:02 »
« Last Edit on: 06-09-2006 03:02 »

All we have to go on is that Fry yells "Everything's going to be alright, Dad!" at Enos's crotch, but he may not have been thinking all that clearly. I would also guess that Yancy "The Commander" Fry came (or thought he came) from a military background.  In fact, growing up hearing how Commies had killed his father Enos with an atomic bomb would explain a lot.  Especially combined with the fact that he would be, by iteration, his own grandfather.

 
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Then again, it could be that Fry's Delta-wave mutation came from the same place his Y chromosone did: nowhere. It might be just an anomaly that runs endlessly through its own time-loop, with no beginning or end, like the surface of a Moebius strip.
I like this idea.
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« Reply #24 on: 06-09-2006 11:50 »

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
All we have to go on is that Fry yells "Everything's going to be alright, Dad!" at Enos's crotch, but he may not have been thinking all that clearly.


eww, he was talking about the sperm. Prukatronic. (you can now moan at me)

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« Reply #25 on: 06-09-2006 12:59 »

You, sir, are a disgrace to your avatar.
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« Reply #26 on: 06-09-2006 15:58 »

Don't worry, he won't last.  They never do.
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« Reply #27 on: 06-10-2006 12:00 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Why assume that Enos is a Fry at all?  Do they ever say what his surname is in the episode?

You know, you're right!  I just looked at the transcript and they don't actually specify that Enos' last name was Fry.  I don't see any clips in the framegrabs where you can read the name that one guesses must be sewn on his jacket, either.

Perhaps Mildred was the Fry, and Yancy Sr. (of course) was called by her maiden name.  And she moved to New York to escape the small-town prejudice an unwed mother would suffer... 

Huh.  Good point, DavidA!
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« Reply #28 on: 06-10-2006 15:25 »

 
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Perhaps Mildred was the Fry, and Yancy Sr. (of course) was called by her maiden name.  And she moved to New York to escape the small-town prejudice an unwed mother would suffer...

...and when Yancy Sr. asked her about his father, she told him about her fiancé who was tragically killed in an accident while she was carrying his child (because that sounds a lot better than admitting that she had a one-night-stand with a stranger that she never saw again).

But yeah, I do think that it makes a lot more sense if the Yancy tradition came from Mildred's family, rather than thinking that she named her son after some tradition in Enos's family (which she might not have even known about) when she knew that Enos wasn't the real father anyway.
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« Reply #29 on: 06-10-2006 15:48 »
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Originally posted by David A:
 ...and when Yancy Sr. asked her about his father, she told him about her fiancé who was tragically killed in an accident while she was carrying his child (because that sounds a lot better than admitting that she had a one-night-stand with a stranger that she never saw again).

But yeah, I do think that it makes a lot more sense if the Yancy tradition came from Mildred's family, rather than thinking that she named her son after some tradition in Enos's family (which she might not have even known about) when she knew that Enos wasn't the real father anyway.


Yeah maybe, as it all makes sense and it makes sense that Mildred would make that up as she would be ashamed to tell about a one night stand.

Nice thinking David A I think you are on to something...
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« Reply #30 on: 06-11-2006 20:08 »

It sounds funny, I know, But it really is so, oh, I'm my own grandpa.

I'm my own grandpa. I'm my own grandpa. It sounds funny, I know, But it really is so, oh, I'm my own grandpa.

Now many, many years ago, when I was twenty-three, I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be. This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red. My father fell in love with her, and soon they, too, were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life, my daughter was my mother, cause she was my father's wife. To complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy, I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became a brother-in-law to Dad, and so became my uncle, though it made me very sad. For if he was my uncle, then that also made him brother, of the widow's grown-up daughter, who, of course, was my stepmother.

Father's wife then had a son who kept him on the run, and he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son. My wife is now my mother's mother, and it makes me blue, because, although she is my wife, she's my grandmother, too.

Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I'm her grandchild, And everytime I think of it, it nearly drives me wild, for now I have become the strangest case you ever saw as husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa!

I'm my own grandpa. I'm my own grandpa. It sounds funny, I know, but it really is so, oh, I'm my own grandpa!

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« Reply #31 on: 06-11-2006 21:33 »

It doesn't work as well without the catchy tune.
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« Reply #32 on: 06-12-2006 07:25 »
« Last Edit on: 06-12-2006 07:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
It sounds funny, I know, But it really is so, oh, I'm my own grandpa.

I'm my own grandpa. I'm my own grandpa. It sounds funny, I know, But it really is so, oh, I'm my own grandpa.

Now many, many years ago, when I was twenty-three, I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be. This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red. My father fell in love with her, and soon they, too, were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life, my daughter was my mother, cause she was my father's wife. To complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy, I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became a brother-in-law to Dad, and so became my uncle, though it made me very sad. For if he was my uncle, then that also made him brother, of the widow's grown-up daughter, who, of course, was my stepmother.

Father's wife then had a son who kept him on the run, and he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son. My wife is now my mother's mother, and it makes me blue, because, although she is my wife, she's my grandmother, too.

Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I'm her grandchild, And everytime I think of it, it nearly drives me wild, for now I have become the strangest case you ever saw as husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa!

I'm my own grandpa. I'm my own grandpa. It sounds funny, I know, but it really is so, oh, I'm my own grandpa!


That is absoloutly hillarious!   :laff:    :laff:    :laff: I love it how it makes sense too! Hahahaha really good lol   :D I wander if that has ever actually happened to someone lol  :)   :confused:   :)
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« Reply #33 on: 06-13-2006 05:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
It sounds funny, I know, But it really is so, oh, I'm my own grandpa.

I'm my own grandpa. I'm my own grandpa. It sounds funny, I know, But it really is so, oh, I'm my own grandpa.

Now many, many years ago, when I was twenty-three, I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be. This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red. My father fell in love with her, and soon they, too, were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life, my daughter was my mother, cause she was my father's wife. To complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy, I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became a brother-in-law to Dad, and so became my uncle, though it made me very sad. For if he was my uncle, then that also made him brother, of the widow's grown-up daughter, who, of course, was my stepmother.

Father's wife then had a son who kept him on the run, and he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son. My wife is now my mother's mother, and it makes me blue, because, although she is my wife, she's my grandmother, too.

Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I'm her grandchild, And everytime I think of it, it nearly drives me wild, for now I have become the strangest case you ever saw as husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa!

I'm my own grandpa. I'm my own grandpa. It sounds funny, I know, but it really is so, oh, I'm my own grandpa!


Man i use to love that song and i had it but i reformatted my computer and lost it could someone link me to it , i couldn't find it on cgef.
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« Reply #34 on: 06-14-2006 16:52 »

 
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You, sir, are a disgrace to your avatar.

just a joke. Shouldn't of posted that if i get crap like this...
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« Reply #35 on: 07-10-2006 18:56 »

duh!?
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