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futz
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« on: 02-21-2006 10:20 »

I noticed something last night while watching "Luck of the Fryrish".





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« Reply #1 on: 02-21-2006 10:54 »

all i see is a hoboe that looks like yansey and in the first frame grab, the fox logo is backwards
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« Reply #2 on: 02-21-2006 10:55 »

... That the Fox watermark is reversed in the first one?
futz
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« Reply #3 on: 02-21-2006 11:51 »

Yes, it's flipped so the view of the face is from the same angle. Other than the hair being grungy and messed up it is the same face as Yancey. Perhaps it is. It seems you don't notice if it's hidden in plain sight?

I know of nothing that would rule it out.
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« Reply #4 on: 02-21-2006 12:03 »

I think he would of died in that small timespan of 1000 years. Unless he froze himself too in a different place. Because if he froze himself in the same place as Fry, I think he would of noticed Fry frozen there. Still, it's uncanny.
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« Reply #5 on: 02-21-2006 12:24 »

wow futz i think you may have something there.  Matt Groening's style is pretty simple, so alot of his characters look similiar, but who knows?  Fry's neighbor Andy Goldman is still alive in the year 3000, so why not Yancy? 
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« Reply #6 on: 02-21-2006 12:31 »
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A) Brown hair is probably the most common hair color ever.
B) The hair style is NOTHING alike.
C) The voice is completely different.
D) Fry would have recognized and then hit him.
E) If yancy had frozen himself:
  • If he had thawed before Fry, Fry's DNA test would have revealed more than one living relative and directed him to Yancy
  • If Yancy had thawed after Fry, his DNA test would have revealed Fry's location, and given how much Yancy missed Fry, would have prompted him to go find Fry.
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« Reply #7 on: 02-21-2006 12:54 »
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Originally posted by Crackenspine:
I think he would of died in that small timespan of 1000 years. Unless he froze himself too in a different place. Because if he froze himself in the same place as Fry, I think he would of noticed Fry frozen there. Still, it's uncanny.

Michelle didn't.

That said, I agree with Nix, except also:
F) Characters in the Futurama universe often have similar faces. It's a result of the a common and, lets face it, somewhat simplistic style of character design. It doesn't mean they're related.
Notice, aside from the hair color (and hair tends to gray with age):


And we KNOW that "That Guy" was frozen for a thousand years. Is he yancy too? of course not.
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« Reply #8 on: 02-21-2006 13:02 »

Yeah I noticed last night that the hobo looked alot like Yancey.
futz
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« Reply #9 on: 02-21-2006 13:06 »
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Ah, logical skepticism Nix.

A) Yes and hair can change with the wind. So it only strengthens "it might be Yancy" idea.

B) See A.

C) 1. What do you sound like when you first wake up. 2. He could be 30, 40, even 50 or started smoking.

D) Why would either of them expect to see each other at that point in time and space. The fact that nobody has even noticed the similarity after umteen reruns, or don't agree even if it's pointed out to them, make it a logical reaction. We see what we expect to see. And Neither Fry or Yancey are the brightest bulbs in the pack.

E) Leela administered DNA/relative checks at her lab but never found her parents even having the tools in her hands. It suggests what is underground is not documeted which may be why surface passes are required.

They could have been thawed out at exactly the same time, neither were in the database coincidently.

Yancey could have thawed out in a situation like Fry when dumped in LA - consider there might be more cryolabs in various states of maintenance.

Or he may have been snatched by the Brain Spawn and he escaped - all sorts of Futurama-type stories could explain it.

Nibbler was only guessing that "The Other" is Leela. Maybe the word brother was garbled into other over a thousand years. Doesn't hurt to axe.

Gopher: Compare the noses. Foreground/speaking characters are almost always unique in some way. Especially in the same episode. If you can find an exception I'd be glad to see some grabs.
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« Reply #10 on: 02-21-2006 15:39 »
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A) Yes and hair can change with the wind. So it only strengthens "it might be Yancy" idea.

B) See A.

In the Groening universe, hairstyle tends to stay relatively the same throughout a character's lifespan.  It is even used to indicate familial relationship.

 
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D) Why would either of them expect to see each other at that point in time and space.

Fry and Michelle recognized each other right off.

 
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E) Leela administered DNA/relative checks at her lab but never found her parents even having the tools in her hands. It suggests what is underground is not documeted which may be why surface passes are required.

How do you flush a cryogenics tube?

 
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They could have been thawed out at exactly the same time, neither were in the database coincidently.

Yancey could have thawed out in a situation like Fry when dumped in LA - consider there might be more cryolabs in various states of maintenance.

Or he may have been snatched by the Brain Spawn and he escaped - all sorts of Futurama-type stories could explain it.

Your stories are getting more and more farfetched.  Occam's Razor, boy.

 
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Yancey could have thawed out in a situation like Fry when dumped in LA

How would yancy have gotten into a celebrity's tube?
futz
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« Reply #11 on: 02-21-2006 16:06 »

A) By your reasoning Fry's hair should be the same in the grabs above as it is as we usually see him in 3000+.

D) So? Maybe he liked seeing her... for a day or so.

E) Manholes work well too which is how Fry and Leela usually enter. Much like present day New York.

Actually, it's sort of surprising Fry's tube was still above ground since most of the New York of his day is underground. Perhaps Yancey never left. I didn't say that he was in a celebity tube. My point was a tube can chuck a person out in the middle of nowhere. Try to go beyond mere mincing of words. Given the little we know about the 1000 years between 2000 and 3000 there could be tubes scattered everywhere.

Far fetched? Here? Perhaps you should change the head in your jar to Philip J. Klaus.  flirt
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« Reply #12 on: 02-21-2006 16:14 »

futz: You forgot the possibility that the bum was Yancy's fourth evil septuplet.

Your extreme rationalization might be fine if you were trying to explain away an inconsistency in official material, but it's a bit overboard to justify your pet theory.

How about this: The hard-working character designers, fresh from their 12th revision of That Guy, were rushing to finish the incidental character designs for that week's episode. Nobody but you noticed the similarity, or if they did, they shrugged and said "If somebody thinks that's Yancy, we can read their overly-elaborate rationalizations of that belief on a forum and laugh our asses off."
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« Reply #13 on: 02-21-2006 16:20 »

 
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A) By your reasoning Fry's hair should be the same in the grabs above as it is as we usually see him in 3000+.

I didn't say it stayed exactly the same, I said it stayed relatively the same.  Fry's hair, at every age we've seen him in, follows the same general form - two prongs up front, m-shaped collick in back.

 
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D) So?

Your point was that they wouldn't have recognized each other.  My point was that a similar situation to your theory happened and Fry and Michelle did recognize each other.

 
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Far fetched? Here? Perhaps you should change the head in your jar to Philip J. Klaus.

I don't get it.

My point is that you've taken a coincidental resemblence based on a character design that is rather limited and built a theory based on a series of "maybes," "perhaps," and "what-ifs," with no concrete support.  Not to mention the fact that it disregards all logic, both internal (within the continuity of the show) and external (common sense).
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« Reply #14 on: 02-21-2006 16:26 »
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Occum might ask why was the scene there in the first place? Is it really neccesary?

I don't see how it violates either. Only that you might be disturbed by something new. I'm not sure why people try so hard to create a rigid orthodoxy revolving around a cartoon fantasy. Unless their life is so bad that they are vainly attempting to make the fantasy a personal reality. And trying very hard not to have any fun doing it.
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« Reply #15 on: 02-21-2006 16:29 »

Yes, the Bender/train scene would of been quite boring had there been no jokes whatsoever, small or not.
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« Reply #16 on: 02-21-2006 16:36 »
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Originally posted by futz:
Occum might ask why was the scene there in the first place? Is it really neccesary?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=joke

 
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Only that you might be disturbed by something new. I'm not sure why people try so hard to create a rigid orthodoxy revolving around a cartoon fantasy. Unless their life is so bad that they are vainly attempting to make the fantasy a personal reality. And trying very hard not to have any fun doing it.

Don't get pissy just because your theory got shot down.

An "established orthodoxy," or "continuity," as I like to call it, is what seperates Futurama from, say, Family Guy.  If you want a show where anything can happen regardless of what has already been established, a show where all logic and rationality is thrown out the window, by all means, go watch Simpsons or Family Guy.
futz
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« Reply #17 on: 02-21-2006 16:48 »

Gee Nix I didn't know you had anything to do do with the show in any paid capacity. I don't feel my theory is shot down in any way. It just you getting louder and more viscious.
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« Reply #18 on: 02-21-2006 17:01 »

Without even looking at the pictures, I'm going to say this is an extremely far-fetched theory for pretty much all the reasons Nix listed in his second post.  Especially point D.
futz
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« Reply #19 on: 02-21-2006 17:49 »

But like the show says - You can't prove it won't happen. Perhaps they put it in intentionally perhaps not. We have 4 DVD's coming up to see if it is something they intended to develop (remember the show was cut down in it's prime) or just a coincidence (but in Futurama?) or just an animators short cut.

But at least it wouldn't be a total surprise to some.

 
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« Reply #20 on: 02-22-2006 00:37 »

and the point of that picture there is ??
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« Reply #21 on: 02-22-2006 00:43 »

I admit there is a startling resemblance, but as I recall, the adult Yancy Jr. was already starting to lose his hair.  The bum in the pic still has all his.  Both the comparison photos you provided show him as a youth, and hence with his full head of hair; I think next to the late-era photo (the last flashback, where he's naming his son) there'd be less of a likeness.
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« Reply #22 on: 02-22-2006 05:03 »

He does really look like Yancy, but with all those points, it wouldn't be him.
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« Reply #23 on: 02-22-2006 08:17 »

Don't get me wrong - if you just so happen to be right, you are free to gloat as much as you like.
futz
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« Reply #24 on: 02-22-2006 12:25 »

Pretty much figure it would fade in to obscurity or be a chuckle like Leela's parents in ISTE. It was interesting to go back and see when that discussion started.

Makes me wonder if she would be recognized without her reading glasses:

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« Reply #25 on: 02-22-2006 14:21 »

 
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Makes me wonder if she would be recognized without her reading glasses:
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I presume you mean the woman in the background.

She does seem to have (at least) a superficial resemblance to one
Morgan Proctor.
Is that what you're implying?  confused
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« Reply #26 on: 02-22-2006 15:57 »

Since that's "Devil's Hands," it probably IS Morgan Proctor; they were trying to squeeze as many minor characters into the background as they could.  Good call.

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« Reply #27 on: 02-22-2006 16:39 »

Not to mention you can easily see her later.
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« Reply #28 on: 02-22-2006 18:18 »

Oh well, bend me, then.   roll eyes at self.
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« Reply #29 on: 02-22-2006 22:39 »

that guy in the middle in the pic has wierd eyes, compared to other Groening.
And with all the crazy Yancy theories why hasnt anyone said that Yancy just found the fountain of youth or Lincoins grave.

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« Reply #30 on: 02-23-2006 03:05 »

yea i noticed that to
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« Reply #31 on: 02-23-2006 13:20 »

 
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Not to mention you can easily see her later.
Refresh my memory: Where?
futz
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« Reply #32 on: 02-23-2006 13:22 »

Maybe like Charlie on the MTA in the old Kingston Trio song. Wonder if Bender knows that one?   smile
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« Reply #33 on: 02-23-2006 13:54 »

 
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Refresh my memory: Where?

Storming out of the Opera house at the end, as I recall.

Best I could find:



In between Hermes and Bender.  You get a clear glimpse of her as she walks by.
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« Reply #34 on: 02-23-2006 15:10 »
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Or check The Framegrab Shop thread back about Xmas time.
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« Reply #35 on: 02-23-2006 15:11 »

I agree it could not be Yancy....it could be Phillip J. Fry Jnr.
futz
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« Reply #36 on: 02-23-2006 16:14 »

If you mean Yancy's son we know he's buried in an oribiting grave yard for heros.
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« Reply #37 on: 02-24-2006 08:44 »

Well, it could be Yancy Fry Jr. Jr. Jr. ..... Jr. Jr. Jr.  After all, the Professor is Fry's great^n-nephew, and therefore must have been Yancy's great^(n-1)-grandchild, right?

In short, maybe the Professor isn't Fry's only living relative.  Maybe some bum in Old New York, who doesn't show up on official records, is also related to him.

After a couple (or more) invasions and destructions of Earth, I wouldn't be surprised if some genealogical data got lost or misplaced.

Rebut that theory, you, you, you rebutters you!
futz
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« Reply #38 on: 02-24-2006 08:59 »

Seems plausable. Such decendants might be fair haired though.

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« Reply #39 on: 02-25-2006 06:41 »

 
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If you mean Yancy's son we know he's buried in an oribiting grave yard for heros.

How do you know that was Fry in that grave?

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