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kNuLLeD

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« on: 04-03-2005 17:30 »

My brother commented about Dr. Zoidberg having a very steryotypical voice of a Jewish Rabbi.  I disagreed, thinking that he was just meant to sound like a weird water-creature.  But then he realized that a lot of Jewish names end in "berg".

So he consulted the interweb.  In turns out, a Zoidberg is a Jewish person who does not Koshure.  (Koshure being that the Jews may not eat shellfish or pork).  Also, Dr. Zoidberg is a shellfish!

Dr. Zoidberg is a crack at Judiasm! Whooda thunk?
David A

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« Reply #1 on: 04-03-2005 17:46 »

What are you, meshuga?
Teral

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« Reply #2 on: 04-03-2005 18:50 »
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Also, it's kosher. It's more a crack at Jewish stereotypes, than the actual religion.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #3 on: 04-03-2005 19:58 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:

It says it all.

Procyon

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« Reply #4 on: 04-03-2005 20:18 »

I have to agree with Teral and Spacedal. I just wanted to mention you forgot that his full name is 'Dr. John Zoidberg. It just sounds Jewish to me. I wouldn't know that actual reference, if any.
bhealy

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« Reply #5 on: 04-03-2005 20:31 »

As has been said earlier, I don't think he's a crack at Judaism, just a stereotypical Jew (although not too many crustaceans would consider themselves Jewish).
kNuLLeD

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« Reply #6 on: 04-04-2005 06:26 »

More proof:

In the silent movie era, Jewish comediens and writers woul oftn take the "berg" of of the end of their name, as some people woul refuse to watch something made by Jews.  Zoidberg's long lot uncle from the "silent hologram" era was just Harold Zoid.

In "Fry and the Slurm Factory", Zoidberg is wearing a shirt in the gift shop that reads "Enjoy Slurm" in Hebrew.
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #7 on: 04-04-2005 13:38 »

Yes.  We got it.  He's Jewish.  And almost entirely stereotypical except for the whole dirt poor part.
Andy1234

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« Reply #8 on: 04-04-2005 14:27 »

and the fact that we never see him celebrate.

but he might not be as he celebrated xmas which i thought jews never celebrate.
Teral

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« Reply #9 on: 04-04-2005 16:00 »

 
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Originally posted by Andy1234:
but he might not be as he celebrated xmas which i thought jews never celebrate.

He's not Jewish, he just act Jewish.
Chug a Bug

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« Reply #10 on: 04-14-2005 16:41 »

I've never got the "Zoidberg is Jewish" jokes... I guess it's not a Jewish stereotype so much as an American Jewish stereotype.

I've known Jewish people here and I've never met any like that.
Unknown

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« Reply #11 on: 04-14-2005 17:38 »

It's more a "Jewish person whose ancestors immigrated to New York from Eastern Europe around 1900" stereotype than anything else.
Shiny

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« Reply #12 on: 04-15-2005 19:29 »

Maybe the first Earthling to land on Decapod 10 had that kind of accent, so that's where they learned English...
futz
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« Reply #13 on: 04-15-2005 20:34 »

I'm surprised no one seems to notice that Leela's parents are Jewish characters or that they live in a place similiar to the Warsaw ghetto.
DemoTM

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« Reply #14 on: 05-19-2005 06:28 »

I dont think he sounds Jewish at all :P
In a commentary on one of the episodes Billy West reveals where he got the voice for Zoidberg for, and I dont remember him saying it was anything remotely Jewish. So no, he's just paranoid.
Venus

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« Reply #15 on: 05-19-2005 11:33 »

Leela'a parents never seemed Jewish to me. They had accents that i know i heard in New England somewhere i just can't remember where.
futz
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« Reply #16 on: 05-19-2005 13:44 »

It's more of a New York Jewish accent and Leela's mom is a sort of classic "Jewish Mother" type character. Hey, listen to Seinfeld vs. Becker sometime. New England accents are quite a bit different, not that you wouldn't find New Yorkers or Jews in New England. And, well, heavens, Leela is voiced by Katie Segal. Although that might be a stage name I think it would be ah, in character.

Leela was probably brought up in the religion of the Cookieville Orphanarium. If it is a state run facility there might not be one.
parasite?

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« Reply #17 on: 05-20-2005 23:53 »

Ummm, in one of the DVD commentaries David X. Cohen(I think) said that the name of Dr. Zoidberg came from a game that he wasted time programming for the Apple II called "Zoid". Don't know if he was trying to cover for anti-semitism or not but...

I have an old Apple II laying around in the basement. Perhaps I should try to get a copy of this so called Zoid.
futz
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« Reply #18 on: 05-21-2005 09:45 »

The point I'm trying to make is that it's not anti-semitism it's self-satirization.
Dr.Jerkbird

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« Reply #19 on: 05-21-2005 09:50 »

I dont think Zoidberg is Jewish, I think its just a conincidence, also if he was Jewish why would we have been kicked out of that Botmitzha?
Teral

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« Reply #20 on: 05-21-2005 10:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Dr.Jerkbird:
I dont think Zoidberg is Jewish, I think its just a conincidence, also if he was Jewish why would we have been kicked out of that Botmitzha?

As the old robot said: "No shellfish!"

Also if you remember from "Fry and The Slurm Factory" Zoidberg bought a t-shirt with Jewish writing.
futz
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« Reply #21 on: 05-21-2005 11:14 »

You guys are wearing me out. I need a prescription for some deep fat and nicotine.
Shiny

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« Reply #22 on: 05-21-2005 14:03 »

 
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Originally posted by parasite?:
Ummm, in one of the DVD commentaries David X. Cohen(I think) said that the name of Dr. Zoidberg came from a game that he wasted time programming for the Apple II called "Zoid". Don't know if he was trying to cover for anti-semitism or not but...

Bite thy tongue, oh parasitic one!  David Cohen anti-semitic? 

As Harlan Ellison once said in a similar situation, "Some of my best friends are Jewish.  Like my mother.  My father.  Me."

  tongue
cujoe169
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« Reply #23 on: 05-21-2005 15:32 »

sorry once again couldn't find the log-in button...
GreyThinkyWhale

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« Reply #24 on: 05-21-2005 20:51 »

I never got any of the Jewish references, cool!
parasite?

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« Reply #25 on: 05-21-2005 22:29 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
 Bite thy tongue, oh parasitic one!  David Cohen anti-semitic? 

As Harlan Ellison once said in a similar situation, "Some of my best friends are Jewish.  Like my mother.  My father.  Me."

   tongue
Hey, Hitler's mother was Jewish... 'course then again he was beyond insane.

Shiny

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« Reply #26 on: 05-21-2005 23:31 »

It was his grandfather, and it's possible he (the grandfather) was Jewish, but not certain.

Anyway, do you really think Matt Groening would hang out with someone who was racist?

GreyThinkyWhale

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« Reply #27 on: 05-22-2005 21:04 »

I doubt he's actually meant to be Jewish, I think it's just a series of continuous jokes.
IamBender

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« Reply #28 on: 05-31-2005 20:40 »

Of course they take shots at Jews. I mean look at Robanukah.
Descon

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« Reply #29 on: 06-01-2005 11:12 »
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They are just a few jokes that make the decapodian race look jewish, for instance the reference when zoidberg tells his mom he wants to be a comedian and she says "sure you can be a comdeian if you want should your grandparents roll over in their grave" (or something to that effect) then when he goes off to medical school she says "sure you can be a doctor, if youve given up on your dream of being a comedian" (again, not a perfect quote) but the point is, that this is a crack at many immagrants, look at the movie Harold and Kumar, when Kumar's dad wants him to be a doctor...and so on and so on. These jokes arent entirely racist, just a little poke at some traditions
ebotron

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« Reply #30 on: 06-03-2005 16:18 »

I'm surprised no-one has mensioned the freedom dancethat seemed very jewish to me perhaps zoidburg is futurama's version of krusty the clown
RS 2thou

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« Reply #31 on: 06-10-2005 07:10 »

Until this thread I knew nothin' about Judiasm, I think Zoidberg aint jewish, but theres jokes about him and Judiasm
Wooter

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« Reply #32 on: 06-10-2005 10:03 »

I thought the freedom dance was Russian...
futz
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« Reply #33 on: 06-10-2005 10:12 »

You guys need to check out some common Yiddish expressions. Oy.
ebotron

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« Reply #34 on: 06-10-2005 11:34 »

i see...
Krokei

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« Reply #35 on: 06-10-2005 12:26 »

No you don't.

I would like to point out that the thread title makes it appear that the idea of Zoidberg is anti-semitic.

Oh, and expanding upon Shiny's point of David Cohen, not only is Cohen a name of Jewish background, but so is David. The Jewish Messiah is meant to rule after King David. I even read it in the Old Testament.

Incidentally, a name doesn't neccessarily mean anything. Besides, the only thing to worry about is if any of the Jewish people were offended by these things that you've all stated, and so far, I haven't heard any complaining.

Except by me. About the Thread Title. But that's it, as of yet.
futz
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« Reply #36 on: 06-10-2005 13:27 »

I think it would only be offensive if it was felt that it was something to be ashamed of or that the characters were seen as diminished in some way.
cosmic J

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« Reply #37 on: 07-02-2005 06:36 »

Like most American comedy's, especially cartoons such as Family Guy, South park and Simpsons, they have a character who behaves in a typically Jewish steroetype way and normally is one of the minor character stars of the show.
Zoidberg may be the funniest yet!
Anywho, a few of the writers may be from a Jewish background and they create a character based on past experiences they have had.
ShortRoundMcfly

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« Reply #38 on: 07-02-2005 20:23 »

This topped off with the question about Smither's sexuality compounds my lack of faith in humanity.
DrThunder88

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« Reply #39 on: 07-03-2005 03:27 »

 
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Originally posted by ebotron:
I'm surprised no-one has mensioned the freedom dancethat seemed very jewish to me...

You don't know many Jews, do you?

Now the dancing at the Bot-mitzvah was adopted from traditional Jewish dances, and the music from the end of "FoaBP" had a distinctly Yiddish feel to it.  I don't think these were "shots" at Jewish culture in the least bit.  That would be like saying that Fry is obviously a Christian (or Western European) stereotype.  He may be, but it's not the defining element of his character.  Zoidberg may be Jewish (or whatever the post-"second coming of Jesus" term is), but it's a part of who he is, not why he is there.
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