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Malfunc Eddie

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« on: 02-16-2005 11:22 »

If fry didn't freeze him self he would not have been able to got to the past and do the nasty in the pasty and would not exist. But when the what if machine shows it, it destroys the universe (yes there is some looping and paradoxes but still the universe destroyed?? he should just stop to exist). So my guess is that when we would have gotten more eps of futurama fry travels again back to the past and starts the universe. thats why if he was not frozen the universe ends.
Chalic

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« Reply #1 on: 02-16-2005 11:35 »

You're describing an imposibility to explain a paradox?

I think the multi-PhD writing staff was just going for the old, if a paradox happens, the universe blows up, joke.  Plus, Fry never actually asks the what-if machine what would have happened if he'd have never been caught in the freezer-jiggy, the whole episode was a what-if response to the Professor's question "What if I had invented the fing-longer?" 

I mean...it was obvious.  Al Gore...12th level vice-president?  Like 9th maybe.
Malfunc Eddie

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« Reply #2 on: 02-16-2005 12:05 »

Yes but the professor did invent the finglonger later in the series (S03E09: The Bird-bot of Ice-catraz 1:34 ). But how do you explain the fact that fry is sent back to the future in the why of fry. He should be able to remain there and would disappear (as it happened) when he notifies nibbler that the scooty puff jr suuuuuuuckt and not because he got frozen again.

Teral

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« Reply #3 on: 02-16-2005 16:20 »

I still maintain that Farnsworth never invented the finglonger, he simply bought one after AOI I.

Fry's freezing was a nexus point in the timeline, so any paradox happening would have a catastrophic impact on the timeline, using standard chaos, superstring, subspace, quantum realities and parallel universe theories. See also: "Star Trek, time travel, San Francisco"
Malfunc Eddie

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« Reply #4 on: 02-16-2005 16:58 »

Ok maybe farnsworth didn't invent the finglonger. but how come after a millisecond after the universe was created the brain spawn appeared? Cos Fry started the universe that awoke the brain spawn. Would also explain the fabled one reference and why  the niblonians knew of fry the fabled one (seers my ass) Fry was there with the niblonians because they were 17 years old already
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #5 on: 02-17-2005 00:24 »

Ah, time paradoxes

My theory is that somehow a causal paradox - which according to TNUK et al is impossible in the Futuramaverse, except in a hypothetical scenario - causes a singularity/rip in the space time continuum that eventually implodes, taking the Universe with it.  For some reason, this apparently leaves any person standing within a few feet of it floating in firmament or something.

Yeah, it was a gag.  "If there's a pardox, the Universe is destroyed" is a Sci Fi cliché, and hence gets joked about in Futurama. 

But seriously, the above thread has some good stuff.  As does the below one.

"Finally, I get to save the Earth with deadly lasers instead of deadly slide shows."

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Chalic

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« Reply #6 on: 02-17-2005 06:15 »

Nerd-o-Rama...I was a large part of that first discussion of it.

Oy...another of these discussions.  It's just too hard to separate the quasi-science from the para-science from the non-science from the good stuff, and too hard to clearly explain your own point of view/knowledge before someone has rebuked it with seemingly plausible, but ultimately crazy gobbleddy-gook.

For your theory Nerd-o...I assume you mean, your "it's a comedy sci-fi show" theory, and not meaning an actual hypothesis linking Futurama with reality.

Futurama is not often scientifically accurate.  It often parodies and makes humorous many things that only those with real scientific knowledge can laugh at.

Granted, they talk about the right temperature for the lunar surface, and they get a lot of little details right, but you can even hear it in the commentaries.  PhD Ken Keeler and the other doctorates would have long conversations about the plausibility/possibility of the situations described in episodes like "The Farnsworth Parabox" 

They specifically say that they attempted to work out whether the surface geometry of it (and if you don't know what I mean--and for some reason want to--pick up a book on say String theory...one that covers the concept "Orbi-folding."  Most are written for laymen.)  was possible, but that they had nothing to do with the people currently working on the script.  It was immaterial to the story, as was the fact that for the shadow on the surface of the moon to be moving as quickly as it was, the earth would have to have been directly overhead, or that it's impossible to somehow change the speed of light to make it faster (which would have profound effects on a whole lot of things we don't want changing)

Ultimately, it is just a show, and I'm not going to go the pedantic route of saying "so why argue about it?"  I have done just this, and obviously if you're enjoying talking about it, keep doing so. 

I'm just saying...unless you have a degree somewhere, or really have some genuine scientific knowledge; don't claim to be describing reality, or Futurama, as if their universe could be ours.

totalnerduk's "theory", while having fairly good diagramming, is mainly bunk.  Which would be fine, except that he claims it is true from authority, a logical fallacy.
elcornholio

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« Reply #7 on: 03-11-2005 18:26 »

has anyone read the hitchhikers guide in here? itll probably help
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« Reply #8 on: 03-11-2005 19:31 »
« Last Edit on: 03-11-2005 19:31 »

Okay, has anybody heard of the Back to the Future Theory? It's the one where you're choices are not predetermined, but will happen. Example: Biff used to boss around Marty McFly's dad and the dad's dreams of the sci-fi writer thing never happened. But, when Marty went into the past, he changed the future so that the dad bossed around Biff and his dreams did come true. And also, in BttF2, Marty goes to the past to change the alternate future that happened because of Future Biff's actions, that made there be "2" 1985's. And the fact that Marty sees his dad standing up against Biff along with the before mentioned shows that, if the BttF Theory were correct, that Fry being in the shadow in SP3000 couldn't have happened ever, and him being in the Jurassic Bark shadow is also impossible.

Anyway, the Scooty-Puff thing is wrong, as everybody else said, because he didn't change the future at all, but when he told Nibbler that S-P Jr. sucked, he would've "faded away" because he was never in the Infosphere because he had the Scooty Puff Sr.
Andy1234

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« Reply #9 on: 03-12-2005 03:37 »

he did fade away when he said it. to quote, his last words in the past are:

"scooty puff jr suuuuuuccckkkss"
GenderBender26

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« Reply #10 on: 03-14-2005 19:58 »

No, he just saved it.
Andy1234

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« Reply #11 on: 04-03-2005 05:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Malfunc Eddie:
(S03E09: The Bird-bot of Ice-catraz 1:34 ).


season 3 ep 9 would be the cyber house rules and the code would be 3ACV09.

But The Bird-bot Of ice-catraz is 3ACV05!

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Move along.
Teral

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« Reply #12 on: 04-03-2005 06:20 »

He's using the FOX airing code. [Airing]Season 3, episode 9 was indeed "The Birdbot of Ice-catraz".

Some people use the SxxEyy code, while other prefer the xxACVyy code. Don't mix them up.
Andy1234

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« Reply #13 on: 04-04-2005 06:47 »

didn't know that, but i prefer xxACVyy.
Welshie

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« Reply #14 on: 04-07-2005 09:46 »

I'm really confused !!
Andy1234

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« Reply #15 on: 04-07-2005 14:19 »

 what are you confused at?

welcome to peel,
GreyThinkyWhale

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« Reply #16 on: 04-07-2005 16:22 »

I'm gonna guess hes confused at the first seven posts in this topic, as am I. So I've decided not to think about it.

Although I will say this as a quote from Mom in the video game: "No-one can alter the continuum of time".
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #17 on: 04-07-2005 22:17 »

I'm guessing that Welshie(Welcome to PEEL. Enjoy your stay at nerd-world) is confused of the episode code. xxACVyy is the code for production seasons. xx is the season, say 1 for season 1, ACV is Fox's special code for Futurama, and yy is the episode number, like 01. Therefore, 1ACV01 is the first episode in Futurama production season 1, or Space Pilot 3000.

SxxEyy is like the production, but this deals with broadcast order. S stands for season, xx is broadcast season number, E is episode, and yy is episode number according to the broadcast season. Therefore, although The Bird-bot of Ice-catraz was 3ACV05, it is also S3E09. It may be alittle confusing, but you'll get use to it. And normally, we use xxACVyy rather than the SxxEyy because of the DVDs being out and [as] and other channel's showing it in production order.

Hope that helps!
cujoe169
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« Reply #18 on: 04-09-2005 15:07 »

i'm not sure that's what welshie is confused about, as this entire thread makes very little sense, explaining one paradox with another is like cooking eggs in the bathtub... well that could work but most likely wouldn't
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #19 on: 04-09-2005 17:11 »

You put an egg in an egg holding pot thingy, the one with the holes. You put the pot with egg in the hot bathtub. Soon, the egg will be edible...I think.

Anyway, I think my answer, the Back to the Future Theory, has some crediblity, being that it is from a movie.
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« Reply #20 on: 04-09-2005 17:18 »

In its essence.  Sex is the universe.  If Fry becomes his own grandfather.  He's not gay.  He and also all of his relatives.... on the natural spectrum are decended from a singularity.  Fry's grandmother...... is *gasp* Leela!  But wait. No.  Also, he and Leela become One.... hence Nibbler saying "the other one".... Thusly, the universe is on a track of predetermination.
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« Reply #21 on: 04-09-2005 17:44 »
« Last Edit on: 04-09-2005 17:44 »

So Fry, a man, is Leela, a female, are one...So the toilet's like the uncle?
cujoe169
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« Reply #22 on: 04-09-2005 18:06 »

precisely... and you can cook eggs in it too!
Harry Sach

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« Reply #23 on: 04-10-2005 02:06 »

All because Fry did the nasty in the pastie. Amazing
bender+fry

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« Reply #24 on: 04-10-2005 04:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Harry Sach:
All because Fry did the nasty in the pastry. Amazing

FIXED. Hehe!  puke
Andy1234

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« Reply #25 on: 04-10-2005 10:17 »
« Last Edit on: 04-10-2005 10:17 »

that's disgusting, changing pastie to Pastry, you really are Sick
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #26 on: 04-10-2005 11:58 »

Yes, it was sick, but funny.
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