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Magnetichead

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« on: 09-04-2004 05:15 »

Riiight I know that with this premise in place the whole show could never happen but I'm going to say it anyway.


Space is Cold.

Very Cold.

Surley a large tanker ship or two as seen in The Birdbot of Ice-catraz could just scoop up some sea water from the ocean, fly into space, release it, let it freeze and then hall it back to earth....Thus solving Earths problems once and for all.....ONCE AND FOR ALL!
hobojobo

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« Reply #1 on: 09-04-2004 06:21 »

If they were to take that much sea water and freeze it, they would endanger the lives of millions of sea creastures. No environmentalist in their right mind would do that!
Magnetichead

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« Reply #2 on: 09-04-2004 07:13 »

Did you see the size of the block of ice that was dropped into teh sea? Couldnt have been much bigger than half a dozen football fields....

Anyway whats better, a few million sea creatures or the ENTIRE FERKING PLANET
TheLesbianLeela

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« Reply #3 on: 09-04-2004 07:13 »

 
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Originally posted by Magnetichead:
Surley a large tanker ship or two as seen in The Birdbot of Ice-catraz could just scoop up some sea water from the ocean, fly into space, release it, let it freeze and then hall it back to earth....Thus solving Earths problems once and for all.....ONCE AND FOR ALL!
Exactly that is the point: It can not solve the problem "once and for all". It can basicly just cure some symptomes of global warming, but never the real problem itself.
Also, now since Terra has a more distant orbit around Sol, the Nixon-gouvernment has enough time to solve the problem.
Then again it will probably go along like in "A Big Ball of Garbage": "May future generations care about it". (The 20th century spirit - according to Fry.)

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Astral Runner

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« Reply #4 on: 09-04-2004 15:06 »
« Last Edit on: 09-04-2004 15:06 »

Wow. Someone needs to enroll in remidial chemistry. I can scarcly conceive what fundemental misunderstanding of state-change dynamics could possibly lead someone to belive that water would freeze in the vacuum of space.

It's quite the opposite. Even in placed in the shade, water would BOIL in space. Freezing and boiling points are dependant on the pressure at which the substance in question is at. With enough pressure, mercury can be made solid at room temperature, and water can be made to boil at room temperature if enough pressure is removed. In the perfect(almost-sorta-kinda-not-really) vacuum of space, water will boil.

And this has to do with more then just the pressure. Space may be cold, yes(about a degree Celcius above absolute zero), but it is also natures most perfect INSULATOR. If you knew anything about how heat is transfered between objects, you would know that heat CANNOT travel though a vacuum by any means but electromagnetic radiation(light, infrared rays, etc...). Put a 50 degree peice of metal in an empty part of space(shouldn't be too hard to find), and it will be ever-so-slightly higher then 50 degrees if you picked it up a century latter. It doesn't radiate, and heat can't be conducted away, but it will have been hit by miniscule amounts of light and radiation from stars.

Next time, try to know what the hell you're talking about before posting. I know that most movies portray people being flash-frozen when exposed to space, but, well, they're movies, and Hollywood is stupid. In reality, you'd go unconcious from lack of oxygen before you died from your blood boiling through your pores. And you most certainly would not freeze. If you're near a star, though, I suppose you could well fry.

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David A

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« Reply #5 on: 09-04-2004 15:53 »

Water does indeed boil in space due to lack of pressure.  However, once it boils the water vapor sublimates directly to a solid state due to lack of temperature.  The end result is a cloud of ice crystals.
Magnetichead

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« Reply #6 on: 09-04-2004 17:56 »

Ok then in that case why would haleys Comet have ice on it?

oh and Astral Runner... Cut the fucking attitude.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #7 on: 09-04-2004 23:11 »

Haleys Comet would have ice on it because a comet is held together by ice crystals. It's a lump of water and rock, like a little baby planet.

it hurtles around the sun in a hugely eccentric orbit, passing close enough for the water to melt. Then it streaks far enough away for the process that David A describes to take place. Then it repeats the process.

This means that whilst Haleys Comet is far far away from the sun, it is pretty much MADE of ice. A comet is for all intents and purposes a dirty, gritty, snowball. Therefore, it makes sense that you'd find ice there. Just like it'd make sense to find ice at the north pole.

Magntichead, I wouldn't tell AstralRunner to cut his attitude if I were you. He's quite clearly the more intelligent of the two of you. I can sympathise with any anger that your lack of understanding may have caused him, especially in light of the fact that his post was informative and enlightening, and you've responded by swearing at him. Not nice.

And David A (much as it pains me to say it) is clearly smarter than the pair of you. It's true what your mother said. Hang around with nerds, and you'll get PWNZ0RED.
Astral Runner

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« Reply #8 on: 09-04-2004 23:28 »
« Last Edit on: 09-04-2004 23:28 »

I am aware of water's sublimating properties in space. It didn't cross my mind, however, because I was thinking of liquid water, and failed to carry the train of thought to what happens after it boils and the hydrogen bonds start reconnecting things. That's for pointing that out, David.

But suffice to say, Magnetichead's plan wouldn't work. If a tanker "released" some water, it would explosivly boil away, creating a massive cone of ice crystals traveling away from the ship, and recoving as mcuh ice as you'd need to sufficiently impact Earth's temperature would be a serious pain.

And furthermore, the fact that I consider Bender a role-model for dealing with people says magnitudes of the chances of me losing "the additude."

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totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #9 on: 09-04-2004 23:50 »

I know exactly what you mean. When people say that I've an attitude problem, I tell them to fuck off. Hey, it works.
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #10 on: 09-05-2004 01:53 »

 
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Originally posted by totalnerduk:
 It's true what your mother said. Hang around with nerds, and you'll get PWNZ0RED.

I know this is off topic, but this quote ought to be the motto for this entire section, and possibly a new opening motto for the whole board.  I know it's my new saying.  totalnerduk, I salute you.
Jicannon

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« Reply #11 on: 09-05-2004 09:10 »

Astral Runner please don't be such an asshole- you don't really want everyone disliking you less than a month after you joined do you? You can make your point without cutting the person down for being less intelligent than you on that certain subject. Everyone else does it and it seems to work (well...with a few exceptions).
M0le

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« Reply #12 on: 09-06-2004 07:28 »

I agree with Astral Runner. While he may have responded a bit harshly to MagneticHead, he obviously knew a lot more about the subject than Magnetichead. All he really used was half a paragraph telling Magnetichead not to listen to movies and Hollywood. If anything, I'd say Magnetichead was being a bigger asshole...
 
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Originally posted by Magnetichead:
oh and Astral Runner... Cut the fucking attitude.
FlyingTigress

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« Reply #13 on: 09-06-2004 09:19 »
« Last Edit on: 09-06-2004 09:19 »

   
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Originally posted by TheLesbianLeela:
 
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Originally posted by Magnetichead:
Surley a large tanker ship or two as seen in The Birdbot of Ice-catraz

Then again it will probably go along like in "A Big Ball of Garbage": "May future generations care about it". (The 20th century spirit - according to Fry.)

Perhaps some of the [ahem] ice fields that the penguins are living upon could be transported?

Or did they, too, disappear between 3ACV05 and 4ACV08?   smile

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TheLesbianLeela

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« Reply #14 on: 09-06-2004 10:19 »

 
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Originally posted by FlyingTigress:
Perhaps some of the [ahem] ice fields that the penguins are living upon could be transported?
Well, technically it would be possible, but ...

Fransworth: "I'm still in my pyjamas."

and ...

The Green Party/Penguins Unlimited: "We will protest against this project!"

... also the whole idea with ice cubes is - as mentioned already - just a fight against symptomes and nothing that can solve the problem itself.  hmpf

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Prof. Wernstrum

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« Reply #15 on: 09-07-2004 09:01 »

Also, Haley's Comet is the only sufficient source of ice that doesn't have dead bugs in it.
Hedonism Bot

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« Reply #16 on: 09-07-2004 13:17 »

Or penguin droppings.
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