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PEE Poll: Concerning POTM-rules
I don't want newbies to vote/nominate   -9 (33.3%)
I don't care   -12 (44.4%)
I think newbies should be allowed to vote/nominate   -6 (22.2%)
Total Voters: 26

Aleel

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« on: 12-03-2002 11:46 »

As we noticed during the last days we really need to define some rules.
First of all: May newbies vote/nominate or not?
(That's what the poll is for.)
Every other question concerning the rules can be asked and answered here as well of course.   smile As you don't seem to like long posts I'll write more about the topic later.   tongue
M. Proctor

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« Reply #1 on: 12-03-2002 11:50 »

I think they should be allowed to vote, because, erm..If I was a newbie I'd like to vote. I think..and maybe the newbies don't want to vote since they don't know who they are and stuff..
M5438

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« Reply #2 on: 12-03-2002 11:52 »

People should be around here for at least a month before they should be allowed to vote.  Since this is a popularity contest for the regulars, they should have time to get to know people first.
Hawk

Professor
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« Reply #3 on: 12-03-2002 11:52 »

Why shouldn`t they?
Nurdbot

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« Reply #4 on: 12-03-2002 11:55 »

They don't know the people they nominate.No.
Melllvar

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« Reply #5 on: 12-03-2002 11:55 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2002 11:55 »

Considering that I didn't vote in POTM until I got to know the people first, I apply option 1.

EDIT: We're just talking about nominating, right?  As there'll be no way to police the voting when it gets to the final 10.
aslate

Space Pope
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« Reply #6 on: 12-03-2002 11:58 »

I don't mean to be unfair, but no, i don't think they should be able to.
Since it's poster of the month they need to have been here for at least that month.
Archie2K

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« Reply #7 on: 12-03-2002 12:04 »

I'd like to bring up another rule. When there is a tie for the remaining place/(s), how do we decide who gets into the final place. Is it who got their first vote first, or who reached their eventual total first. I just like complaiing about stuff because I so nearly got into the poll this time  smile. Just by my recognitioning, I got to the total of 4 before anyone else with the same number of votes did, but aslate recieved his first vote before I did, meaning that he got into the final.

And I really don't think the newbie thing should be a problem. After all you need about 4 or 5 votes to even get into the final poll... even if you bought a couple of friends down, it shouldn't sway the eventual outcome too much...
Besides, who would police it?
Melllvar

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« Reply #8 on: 12-03-2002 12:18 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2002 12:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Archie2K:
I'd like to bring up another rule. When there is a tie for the remaining place/(s), how do we decide who gets into the final place. Is it who got their first vote first, or who reached their eventual total first. I just like complaiing about stuff because I so nearly got into the poll this time    smile. Just by my recognitioning, I got to the total of 4 before anyone else with the same number of votes did, but aslate recieved his first vote before I did, meaning that he got into the final.

Good point.  You got to your total before the others, but Aslate was nominated first. I counted wrong originally (and gave Aslate 5 votes) so I went with Aleel's final count (plus who M5438 nomintated) so, that made Aslate go in and you out.

Can't be anything personal, as I nominated you.

It's a tough call, perhaps we can clarify this for next month.

EDIT: It would have made the task of counting up the votes easier without the spam in that thread.
Aleel

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« Reply #9 on: 12-03-2002 12:23 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2002 12:23 »

By the way, Archie, just to calm you: if it would be about getting nominated first in ties it would have been Craig's place to go to the vote.
Anyway... I think we should really make up our mind about that. I felt bad about not getting the chance to vote for my favourite PEELer. And we shouldn't do it one way at one month and another way the month after that.
Next thing: I don't care if newbies may vote or not, to be honest, I think it should be their decision. They should make up their mind on their own whether they know PEEL good enough already or not.(Newbie's are different from each other anyway, some know PEEL after a week, some don't even do that after months.) And who'd want to check if they did everytime anyway?

Edit: I can only agree with Melll's edit. It would be much easier if people would only post their nominations (and reasons). It's also (though I know I did it myself already as well) more difficult to count votes with nicknames in them. If you read about three lines of text for one nomination and have to think who's meant by that it easily leads to difficulties. Also saying that you wanted to nominate ... and .... and ...... but nominated ... and .... instead is wonderful to make people mix up the results. I finally had to make three sheets of paper just to count the stuff and after that I noticed five people nominated though they already got POTM before and I told you so at my first post.   roll eyes *sighs* You're grat though.   love  I love this place.
SpacemanSpiff

Space Pope
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« Reply #10 on: 12-03-2002 12:24 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by M5438:
People should be around here for at least a month before they should be allowed to vote.  Since this is a popularity contest for the regulars, they should have time to get to know people first.

i'm too lazy to type this and he's right.

plus we spend a lot of time hanging out here instead of having a real life, i think it's just fair to get something for it in exchange.  tongue
Melllvar

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« Reply #11 on: 12-03-2002 12:28 »

I think that it's a judgement call, really.  Because we have had newbies who have gotten into the spirit of things very quickly and contributed to PEEL (viz: Spice Weasel*, MelBee) and therefore, I wouldn't begrudge them the chance of nominating and voting.

However you do have the flipside (the Clampybots of this world).

* - ok, technically NOT a newbie.
aslate

Space Pope
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« Reply #12 on: 12-03-2002 12:55 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Melllvar:
EDIT: It would have made the task of counting up the votes easier without the spam in that thread.

Yep, i agree, although some of it was me.
Stop doing running totals aswell. On that last one there were two (or even 3) totals on the page! I got critisied for doing running totals previously as they said it may influence other people's votes.

Melllvar

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« Reply #13 on: 12-03-2002 13:07 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by aslate:
 Yep, i agree, although some of it was me.
Stop doing running totals as well. On that last one there were two (or even 3) totals on the page! I got critisied for doing running totals previously as they said it may influence other people's votes.

Okay, agreed.  No running totals is probably a good idea, although for me, it's neither here nor there.  People have clear ideas of who they're going to nominate (I know I did), so it's as near as makes no difference.

That said, I would like to see one post from each with three names on it which would make the task of counting easier. So, no conversatin' and no running totals.  In the light of Archie's complaint I think it's absolutely imperitive.
Aleel

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« Reply #14 on: 12-03-2002 13:19 »

Agreed. Only bad thing about that: if you've counted wrong and nobody else counted the votes as well it's more difficult to notice it that way. Also I think if people don't know who to vote for they usually scroll up a bit and take the nominates from the last posts. Or the people who nominated. For example "firecube, hiro, Joe 25"... looking at the posts before that you could easily see what it came from. *sighs*
Anyway.. I think it shouldn't be seen as a popularity contest. The rules say that someone should DESERVE to win. That means that (talking about myself now) some people shouldn't have gotten into the votes this time, 'cause they didn't post much and wrote even less good posts. It's a good feeling to get nominated, but it would be even better to get nominated 'cause one deserves it.
Archie2K

Space Pope
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« Reply #15 on: 12-03-2002 13:27 »

The best feeling however is being congratulated for correct use of the word "'cause".  smile
Also, you're right. PCC got nominated before aslate... but still the poll is up so what can you do about it.

Also complaint is such an ugly word. I prefer constructive critisism.

Also, thanks to everyone who nominated me... bribes are in the post. Expect them in 4 to 6 weeks.
ZombieJesus

Lost Belgian
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« Reply #16 on: 12-03-2002 13:32 »

...And just how are you going to keep newbies from voting?

"I 'm sorry, you have registered here less than a month ago, so you 're not allowed to vote yet."

I don't think mArc would be willing to implement this protocol
Aleel

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« Reply #17 on: 12-03-2002 13:32 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2002 13:32 »

   
Quote
Originally posted by Archie2K:
The best feeling however is being congratulated for correct use of the word "'cause".     smile
Hey, I'm no native English speaker. It's not fair to run down on my humbly way of speaking it.    frown     tongue
Also I know that the poll is up. It's just that we took the one that got to 4 (in this case) first last time. That's why I didn't change anything about it. I would have protested if the rules would have been clearer. I knew that PCC was the first to get nominated as I opened the thread and I nominate him first everytime.
Edit: *slapsself* Sorry... I shouldn't complain about spam posts and spam myself. Je suis desolée. [What about a new "Talk in any Non-English language" thread?]  wink
Melllvar

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« Reply #18 on: 12-03-2002 13:34 »

If it's of any comfort to you Archie, you have one nomination reserved for next month to add to this months (BTW: the posts in "How Ugly Are You" swung it for me).

Okay, this is what we do.  The count goes up, two days after the thread is open, once the count goes up there are no more nominations allowed.

The thread should stay open for the count to be seconded (or thirded, or whatever - say, for two hours), then if there are no further objections the Poll should be created.

Sound fair?
aslate

Space Pope
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« Reply #19 on: 12-03-2002 13:59 »

Yep.

Also, i hope no-one feels annoyed that i'm up there instead of them. It doesn't matter too much, it's pretty obvious that with 4 nominations i'm not going to win the poll
And i think that there's no way to stop newbies voting, but i think that unless they have been here for the month the poll is for, they can't nominate (since they won't have been here to see the posts of that month).
Archie2K

Space Pope
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« Reply #20 on: 12-03-2002 14:21 »

No-one is infallible. We can always go back and look at Ben's miserable two attempts at creating POTM polls last months  laff
Was that lost with the old board?

Also Aleel, I was congratulating you. You should be pleased.
*note to self: Never congratulate anyone ever again* Good now that's sorted.
Mitsui

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« Reply #21 on: 12-03-2002 14:31 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2002 14:31 »

Maybe, just to throw another idea in, how about letting the previous poster of the month get the casting vote for ties, that is if he/she comes online.

But Melllvar's idea is good.
Speli

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« Reply #22 on: 12-03-2002 15:26 »

I say at least a month...
]PaulFSAC[

Professor
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« Reply #23 on: 12-03-2002 15:33 »

One question and I know it's possibly controversial coming from me, but - Is there any necessary for this award?  I know I'll never win as I don't post often enough to even get nominated, so it's not sour grapes, I just don't see the point of it.
aslate

Space Pope
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« Reply #24 on: 12-03-2002 15:35 »

It seems to be becoming a tradition and it's a good way to congratulate appreciated PEELers. (see why you won't win now?)

Also, it should be mandatory that i get 1000 nominations and votes per month.
Melllvar

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« Reply #25 on: 12-03-2002 15:36 »

Sometimes because it feels nice to have the recognition of your peers.

I'm a big believer in "The Warm Fuzzy Feeling"(tm).

Doesn't do any harm, you know?
SpacemanSpiff

Space Pope
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« Reply #26 on: 12-03-2002 15:40 »

 
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Originally posted by ]PaulFSAC[:
One question and I know it's possibly controversial coming from me, but - Is there any necessary for this award?  I know I'll never win as I don't post often enough to even get nominated, so it's not sour grapes, I just don't see the point of it.

some people might need it. it's a substitue.
your real life might suck, but at least you can win stuff online. woo.
homerjaysimpson

Space Pope
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« Reply #27 on: 12-03-2002 15:45 »

I agree with Paul.POTM is really nothing to worry about. 
]PaulFSAC[

Professor
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« Reply #28 on: 12-03-2002 15:55 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Melllvar:
Sometimes because it feels nice to have the recognition of your peers.

I'm a big believer in "The Warm Fuzzy Feeling"(tm).

Doesn't do any harm, you know?

That's what the PEELIES are there fore.  As you may notice from my Siggy Block text, I shared mine, not hogged it for myself, as I was shocked and delighted to actually win something, that I knew nothing about.

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Hawk

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« Reply #29 on: 12-03-2002 15:58 »

 
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Originally posted by homerjaysimpson:
I agree with Paul.POTM is really nothing to worry about. 

Then why is it MTV-awards? And other awards? hmm?

computer says no...
Drippy_Cupcake

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« Reply #30 on: 12-03-2002 16:00 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2002 16:00 »

Because this poll is about newbies being able to vote for POTM does that mean that they shouldn't vote either?    smile 

I just wanted to make the point that I'm not exactly a newbie.  At least, I wouldn't consider myself one.  I've been coming to PEEL for the last, oh...three months and reading as I please.  I've often wanted to comment on things but I didn't have a username and it didn't really occur to me that I should get one.  And now I finally did. 

Given that information, I believe that newbies should have to explain their choice somehow so you know they know what the hell they are talking about and aren't just being dumbasses about it.  Everyone explains their pick anyway right?  So that shouldn't be a problem.  Give justifiable reasons.

::EDIT:: By the way, I didn't vote.  I'm just putting in my two bits.
Drippy_taco

Professor
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« Reply #31 on: 12-03-2002 16:07 »

I concur.
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #32 on: 12-03-2002 16:09 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2002 16:09 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Hawk:
 Then why is it MTV-awards? And other awards? hmm?

Because they are not on a Board that someone runs that most people never heard about!Just a few people who are into what the board is about that is Futurama.

Time to go back on topic,again.

SpacemanSpiff

Space Pope
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« Reply #33 on: 12-03-2002 16:09 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2002 16:09 »

     
Quote
Originally posted by Drippy_taco:
I concur.



[edit]better now, drippy taco?[/edit]
Drippy_taco

Professor
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« Reply #34 on: 12-03-2002 16:11 »
« Last Edit on: 12-03-2002 16:11 »

If I was edel... you'd have red text by now.

But no I'm not agreeing with her just because she's my girlfriend and she's cute, but because she has a good point.

And, who's gonna stop them from voting?  I doubt mArc wants to waste time making a script/hack to prevent it.
Archie2K

Space Pope
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« Reply #35 on: 12-03-2002 16:13 »

Actually POTM is quite good fun. Most of us aren't going to win, and it's all fixed like boxing anyway.  wink

But it's something that's a laugh and shows that the board has dedicated members willing to put their time in to make others feel happy. Feel free to scrap it, but it is something fun. We could probably argue that the PEELies are pointless too.
TSN-Bot
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« Reply #36 on: 12-03-2002 17:35 »

wow. you care way too much. usually it's funny.
PCC Fred

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« Reply #37 on: 12-03-2002 18:22 »

 
Quote
Originally posted by Aleel:
By the way, Archie, just to calm you: if it would be about getting nominated first in ties it would have been Craig's place to go to the vote.

What the f**k?  I go offline for 24 hours and still manage to be at the centre of a controversy!

Melllvar: don't worry about cocking up the count.  It doesn't matter that much anyway - from the look of the final poll I wouldn't have come close to winning.

Anyway, the doorbell just went.  That'll be the weapons inspectors.  wink
aslate

Space Pope
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« Reply #38 on: 12-03-2002 18:49 »

Ok, if you've been a lurker for some time, i respect that and thus i don't mind you taking part in any POTM stuff. I'm just saying that if you turn up and pick the first 3 people you see, then i have a problem. But most new PEELers are ok anyway.

I don't like the way POTM is just a popularity contest and would prefer it to be on posting/contributing quality. I know that won't happen, but it should be that way.
PCC Fred

Space Pope
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« Reply #39 on: 12-03-2002 18:55 »

Does it really matter whether it's based on poularity or posting quality?  Because previous winners can't win a second time, everyone'll get a chance to win eventually.  It's like that "Employee of the Month" award in "Deep Space Homer".

On a related note, I'd like to remind everyone to vote for PCC Fred in September 2004 (Hey, I'm realistic!)
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