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PEE Poll: Should we revamp POTM?
Put something up on the wiki   -30 (55.6%)
Continue with "no rules POTM"s   -9 (16.7%)
POTM? I don't care.   -15 (27.8%)
Total Voters: 54

totalnerduk

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« on: 03-09-2011 23:28 »
« Last Edit on: 04-24-2011 13:31 by [-mArc-] »

Guys, I think it's time to end repeat winners in POTM. Repeat winning was started by myself a few years back just to quell CREF, and now it's just ridiculous. In the first few months of repeat winners, we still had new winners. In the past year (since January 2010), we had 4 new winners. 4 of 14. My plan in letting repeat winners was that you'd then have to wait a few months until winning again. I dunno, it just feels like the allure of winning POTM is now null. The debates and "it's about time" comments are all gone, and it's become a straight lawless popularity contest. I mean, it was always a popularity contest, but now it's just ridiculous.

And no, before somebody tries to (if even jokingly) to blame this on me not having won twice, it's not because of that. I feel like due to doing repeat winners that we've forgotten about those deserving posters who have never won. For example, El-Man hasn't won yet. If we do a "you can't win more than once in a year" rule, sure it'll wind up with DrThunder winning (much deservedly) once a year, but it'll also make sure that we don't have people winning three times in one year or back-to-back or having only two new winners (one of which repeated since) since June 2010.

I'd like others opinions on this, but personally I'd like to see some return of the old rules in some regard. I'm not denying that certain people deserve to win more than once, because a lot of the repeats do. I'm just spitballing here so it doesn't take over the PEELies threads.

I like this idea. Win once a year, max.

We could decide on rules here, and somebody who loves wiki editing could take it upon themselves to put the consensus on the wiki... which could then be linked to at the start of POTM.

I like POTM. I get a small happy when somebody I nominate wins. Like it's also a victory for me, and I'd hate to see this PEEL tradition become sucky, and die. It is a recent tradition, less than eighteen years old, but a tradition nonetheless.
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« Reply #1 on: 03-09-2011 23:29 »

Now I respect TNUK, I think he's a good man but quite frankly I agree with everything he just said!
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« Reply #2 on: 03-09-2011 23:31 »

But if you can still win once a year that wouldn't really fix the problem of no new winners since it could basically always be the same 12 people winning every year.

So either no rules or no repetitive wins!
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« Reply #3 on: 03-09-2011 23:32 »

I say back to the old way. winna agrees with me. But having said that it was nice to win without having the old rules there. It felt like I'd earned it.
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« Reply #4 on: 03-09-2011 23:34 »
« Last Edit on: 03-09-2011 23:41 »

The wiki article should perhaps be split, with rules getting a new page... if we decide to change anything.

Of course, one thing that comes to mind is perhaps POTM should be run in a seperate board on the PEEL Vault.

Advantages would be that one person would be in charge of POTM, making it consistent, and we'd be less likely to have people bitching, since that person would be a moderater and able to delete bitchery. They'd also have the responsibility of updating the wiki each month. Which might help to ensure that it actually gets done.

[-mArc-] would have to agree, but I nominate the following people for the job:

Any one of:

ShepherdofShark
i_c_weiner
Nutmeg1729
winna
Xanfor
DrThunder88
(since he seems to have won so many)
~FazeShift~


If none of the above were willing to run it, I suppose there's a possibility that I might (and it's very much "might", I have to stress this) be willing to run it. But I do prefer participating in these things to running them. It'd be nice if somebody else were to step up and say "I will do this. FOR PEEL!"

Thoughts?
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« Reply #5 on: 03-09-2011 23:35 »

Then we could make the new list page a list made out of the avatar that person used back when he/she won? wink


Good luck to whoever will try to do that.
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« Reply #6 on: 03-09-2011 23:42 »

Well, that wouldn't be too difficult. Save it, upload it to the wiki, and BAM! Obviously, backdating that wouldn't work, but it would be nice for the future.

Although, username would have to be used along with avatar to prevent too much confusion.
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« Reply #7 on: 03-09-2011 23:43 »

Well, I mainly meant the backdating, but future definitely too.
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« Reply #8 on: 03-10-2011 00:18 »

I say it's up to the old school PEELers, they're the ones winning repeatedly, and not likely to stop winning without intervention.  I tried not to nominate past winners, except winna.  He should win everything.
ShepherdofShark

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« Reply #9 on: 03-10-2011 00:58 »

Since I've started nearly half of the POTM threads in the last year and have a reasonable grasp of how to edit the wiki, I would not be averse to taking on the responsibility of permanent POTM mogul.

Actually, "POTM Mogul" would be a cool custom title. So sign me up!
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« Reply #10 on: 03-10-2011 01:07 »

I agree with the idea of running POTM in a separate board, and I'm familiar with updating the Wiki, so I would be willing to help manage the thing too. Perhaps it would be a good idea to have more than one person in charge, in case either of them were unavailable for some time.
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« Reply #11 on: 03-10-2011 01:35 »

Why would you want me to do that O_O I have no moderating skills, though I wouldn't say no if I thought I could handle it. Maybe once I know more about what's going on I'll volunteer myself.
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« Reply #12 on: 03-10-2011 01:36 »

Well, I edited the POTM wiki quite a lot of times, so I'd be willing to help around too.
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« Reply #13 on: 03-10-2011 01:39 »
« Last Edit on: 03-10-2011 01:40 »

Why don't we all just form the POTM Council, like the PEELies has? Then we can share significant looks in public and pretend to be having shadowy dealings while we work.
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« Reply #14 on: 03-10-2011 01:41 »

We could, if we knew what you even looked like, Xanfor... *hint hint* tongue
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« Reply #15 on: 03-10-2011 01:46 »

Yes, Xanfor, tell us everything. Name, age, hobbies, shoe size.

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« Reply #16 on: 03-10-2011 01:49 »

Obviously, since I'm the most mysterious person volunteering, I should be in charge. No one ever sees each other's faces in these things anyway.
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« Reply #17 on: 03-10-2011 01:50 »

People know me. I don't like being mysterious, it's harder to keep up with what I've told certain people.
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« Reply #18 on: 03-10-2011 01:53 »

Just tell everybody nothing and you'll do fine. cool
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« Reply #19 on: 03-10-2011 02:47 »

I support this 'once a year win' idea.
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« Reply #20 on: 03-10-2011 03:49 »

seconded
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« Reply #21 on: 03-10-2011 03:57 »

Thirded, the Once per Year POTM Win has The Jezzem Seal of Approval.*

*The Jezzem Seal of Approval has no value and most likely actually devalues anything it is associated with.
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« Reply #22 on: 03-10-2011 04:11 »

Don't be so hard on yourself man. You actually belong here, unlike half disabled 50 year olds...
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« Reply #23 on: 03-10-2011 05:40 »

Funny how no one has voted they don't care yet. Although this will change I imagine.
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« Reply #24 on: 03-10-2011 07:31 »
« Last Edit on: 03-10-2011 07:33 »

I'd be willing to be in charge of a potential POTM board. I've had experience moderating here on PEEL a few times before, and for about maybe two years (at least) there I was the main runner of POTM. I also have a pretty good understanding of how WikiPEELia and wiki editing in general works. I like Xanfor's suggestion that if such a sub-board were to be created that there be two mods just in case one is unavailable to open the thread. Being that he is now an admin on my brainchild, he'd probably be a great person to have in such a duo.

As I said, I feel a once-a-year rule would help keep POTM vibrant. You'd be able to reward the older members who deserve it (good examples of recent long-overdue repeats being Randi and Booze) and it should make it so new winners are more likely to be had (such as El-Man or SpaceMaN).

And I agree with TNUK's sentiment; having somebody you nominate win does feel good. In the old days, it was a long and arduous task to get somebody to finally win POTM. I didn't win until I was entering my third year on PEEL, something which a few posters are the time felt was "long overdue". It feels good to get that person in finally.
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« Reply #25 on: 03-10-2011 07:47 »

Most of the people who don't care won't be reading this anyway.


There also needs to be a balance of new vs. old posters winning.  For example, from the consistent posters who are good...or more or less accepted...that have not won, we have El-Man (as stated), Nibs, FHM, Lemily, Question Machine (just started)....I'm sure there is someone I am leaving off.
You don't want the same 12 people winning again and again (as Booze stated), but you also don't want just newbies.  Once people on this list win, who else is there, Super Hans?!!!!  There needs to be a happy medium.

I also think the number of noms to get you on the poll should be finally stated....it seems noms from 3 people (not yourself) is the magic number.  
Just like in the PEELies, self-noms should be ignored.

Maybe there should be a set time before you can win?...like you need to be active and posting for 3 months before you can be up on the poll?  Personally, I feel you need to be a part of the community before you should be up for winning...and by doing this, it would get rid of a lot of the "post a bunch for a week" people who just quit in a month or so.  It would also give n00bs something to strive for.
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« Reply #26 on: 03-10-2011 07:56 »
« Last Edit on: 03-10-2011 07:57 »

The old rules were three noms each. This is from where the PEELies go it. In fact, whenever I've run POTM with the "new rules", I would say "three noms each" and wouldn't recognize any nominations past the third.

Self-noms usually aren't ignored, but noms had to be for three separate posters and not the same person. Hence, if Bianca were to nominate "Books, Books, Books" then it would only count as one nomination for Books. Nominating fake accounts or even accounts that didn't exist (Jan-Michael Vincent) were normal, and we'd usually let fake accounts into the poll but keep the non-existent accounts out.

Also, POTM has a way of weeding out those who aren't ready to win yet. There is a very low chance of somebody coming in and winning in their first month.
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« Reply #27 on: 03-10-2011 07:58 »

Why did you use Books and Bianca as examples?..
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« Reply #28 on: 03-10-2011 08:02 »

ok....I also see you finally got out of the Christmas spirit!


hmmm...I see the PEELie staff is reassembling to take full control of the POTMs.  Next they will invade Poland too!  shifty
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« Reply #29 on: 03-10-2011 08:07 »
« Last Edit on: 03-10-2011 08:08 »

It's not coincidence that those who have stepped up to be on the PEELies Council are those who are stepping up with POTM. Leaders step up in every community, and they're usually those who get the job done. I've been on three Councils and headed one of those, as well as basically running POTM for a while, being a mod on Vault boards twice, testing out PEEL 2, and putting forward the idea of WikiPEELia. TNUK has done spearheaded a lot of cool things on PEEL too, as have Winna and Xanfor (off the top of my head). These are the sorts of people who are usually also in the conversation for whenever there's a mod opening/when people feel like there should be another mod because they've shown that they're dependable.

And:
Why did you use Books and Bianca as examples?..
That was because a few years back for a PEELies you two nominated each other for literally every award. Can't remember which year.
totalnerduk

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« Reply #30 on: 03-10-2011 08:11 »

So, SoS, weiner, and Xanfor are all willing to be on the POTM team... now one or all of them just need to email [-mArc-] and see if he's willing to grant them a small section of the vault to do this in...

If we can just thrash out a set of more-or-less mutually acceptable rules to set in stone (or rather, on the wiki), then I think we're on the way to making POTM exciting and fresh again. big grin

As far as it being the same group of people who organise things around here, that's because the majority of PEELers are lazy pigs, who'd never have awards for things or meet up at AGI/PEELathon events without a lot of prodding. Rather than complaining that the same people seem to be taking charge of everything, it would be nice to see people putting themselves forward and volunteering to do things like this for the community. Not getting at anybody, not dropping anvilicious hints about invading Poland: stepping up to the plate rather than making snide comments in the background.

Unfortunately, PEELers do tend to be rather better at making snide comments than they are at anything else. roll eyes
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« Reply #31 on: 03-10-2011 08:25 »

I would call myself a leader, but the reason why I don't "step up" is because I don't feel I would be able to dedicate the time needed for these things. I've been on a lot recently but I don't wanna let you guys down because I get busy.
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« Reply #32 on: 03-10-2011 08:37 »

First off, I was only trying to make a funny (not call you out or anything)...especially since a lot of you seem to be located in Europe.  wink

Also, I would be willing to help out.  I offered to help with the PEELies, but I was at work and made my comment a few hours after you started the conversation/idea so you had already formed your group of Nutmeg, Booze, and SoS.  And if you want to control this too, that is fine by me, but I have no problem pitching in as well.
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« Reply #33 on: 03-10-2011 08:44 »

Also, I would be willing to help out.  I offered to help with the PEELies, but I was at work and made my comment a few hours after you started the conversation/idea so you had already formed your group of Nutmeg, Booze, and SoS. 

Yeah, that's one of the things about PEEL... being away from it at a critical moment means you miss out on the fun. Which is why futurefreak is permenantly logged in via her smartphone just in case something fun happens whilst she's out at work.

And if you want to control this too, that is fine by me, but I have no problem pitching in as well.

If none of the above were willing to run it, I suppose there's a possibility that I might (and it's very much "might", I have to stress this) be willing to run it. But I do prefer participating in these things to running them. It'd be nice if somebody else were to step up and say "I will do this. FOR PEEL!"

I have no desire to be in control of POTM. I'd do it if there was nobody else available, but only then... and only until I could cajole, coerce, or co-opt somebody else into doing it. I'm very lazy, y'see.
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« Reply #34 on: 03-10-2011 08:50 »

Maybe I should quit my job so I can be by computer all day long for PEEL!?

And my phone is so old...4 years now.  We don't even have text messaging service (never have) because my parents won't put it on the Family Plan and they actually have text blocked on the phones.
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« Reply #35 on: 03-10-2011 09:06 »

Yeah, that's one of the things about PEEL... being away from it at a critical moment means you miss out on the fun. Which is why futurefreak is permenantly logged in via her smartphone just in case something fun happens whilst she's out at work.
So you picked up on that huh? Hehe big grin

Lately I think I've been doing more PEELing than working at work.

FHM: I just got this phone six months ago. Before that I wason a family plan with my parents with a phone that was so old it didn't even have a camera. Texting was extra which they added, but no net or anything. I'm so happy to be paying 50 bucks a month on my own for unlimited everything! big grin
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« Reply #36 on: 03-10-2011 11:35 »

Being in control of something, anything, on PEEL becomes slightly arduous after a while. You start to realise that you have to check things, because if you don't it'll all get on top of you. With regards to the nominations for the PEELies I let about 5 email build up, and it took me an hour to get all the info down in the way that I wanted it, because I had to keep going back and forward.

You don't wanna commit to anything on PEEL. Just be involved in having fun and getting people to know who you are.

So glad that more people have stepped forward essentially redendering tnuk's putting forward of my name void. Aaah laziness.
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« Reply #37 on: 03-10-2011 12:15 »

I would be okay with unrestricted wins if PotM was actually about the best poster of that month. As it is…

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« Reply #38 on: 03-10-2011 12:36 »

Maybe instead people should nominate a post rather than a poster.

As it is now, is just a baseless penis length contest.
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« Reply #39 on: 03-10-2011 13:01 »
« Last Edit on: 07-14-2012 21:42 »

This is a pretty cool thread.

I guess I'll throw in my two cents:

I think the only winning once a year is a decent compromise between the two possibilities; it also seems like the rate at which we garner new members who stay for a long time has decreased over time, which is rather natural.  We also have old members pop up over time after they've been away for so long, which is kind of like having new members I guess.  If you're going to do it this way, I'd say that we start a new tradition of listing the 12 people who can't be nominated at the beginning of each thread.... much like the long list of previous winners, which got rather long as was pretty neat that we kept track of it for as long as we did.

That said... I don't know if a lot of POTM activity has declined because of POTM becoming ridiculous (it should at least be a little bit ridiculous), or specifically because of the rules being thrown out and people winning a bunch of times.  I think only like 3 people have won thrice, and a handful have won twice... many of them not winning twice in one year, but a few newer members winning multiple times in one year.  I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of that specifically in this thread (weiner plz?).  Personally, it seems that it usually takes a decent amount of time for people to win; this was more true when we had the rules set in place, but that was pretty exciting.  I think only one or two members won very shortly after they joined, and one of them was because they brought new information of Futurama to PEEL, linking to videos of the movies if I recall.  That's not really the norm though.  If the once a year rule were in place, I find it unlikely that we'd have twelve people win over and over again each year because new people come and old members do sometimes go.... so as I said above, I think it's a reasonable compromise.

As for three nominations and no repeat nominating... we've broken so many rules, but I did like the old standard tradition and makes people think about who they're actually nominating.  

As an additional rule, I think making only one POTM thread each month would be good.  This has become customary recently, now that with PEEL 2 we have the ability to open polls in old threads and change them, etc.  However, making it an actual rule and reflecting it in the wiki is what I'm getting at.

As for a new board in the vault.  It's a pretty neat idea... but has at least one drawback: you will never know explicitly that a new post has been made there, since the light up icon doesn't work on the vault board specifically because it has sub-boards.  It's not a huge problem to ignore, but it might detract people from going to the POTM board, but not necessarily so.  It might even be incentive for people to visit other parts of PEEL on a semi-regular basis.

If you're going to do a new board, I think two moderators would be nice.  One could suffice... however, I think it would be best to have the option of making new threads open to all members... that way anyone who feels its time to make a new POTM thread can and will.... first come first serve like the rest of the forum.  This will lighten the workload of the POTM moderators, and then they can just moderate the board like normal, and if they want to form a secret organization to update the wiki about POTM then that seems swell.

As for the wiki updating; I think the proposals so far are pretty cool... making an official list with avatars included even the old ones would be pretty neat.. a little bit of work, but anybody could do it, and they could do it right about now.  I think for the POTM page, it would be nice to see an outline of the history of POTM, including the original norms (which were not technically rules), the revamped norms which weiner changed (I told you what would happen. roll eyes ), and the new standard rules once those are generally accepted.  Updating the wiki on a regular basis with POTM would, in my opinion, make the wiki more exciting for users and become used by more people, so all of this in theory sounds positive.

If any of this stuff is approved by [-mArc-] and we move POTM to the Vault, then I propose that this thread and all POTM threads be retroactively moved to the Vault as well.  This would require work, possibly by the moderator(s) who head up the POTM board.  They may not have the ability to move threads out of offtopic, so another moderator might have to do it, if this idea were to be undertaken.  I'm not absolutely certain how mod powers work for side boards anymore.  I think it would be neat to have one place to look up all the previous POTM threads and quickly see through the rich history of this tradition as we've established it; most of the work would be spent looking up all the old threads, which may not be possible anymore to fulfill to 100%, but even getting close would be rather interesting.

The list that tnuk suggested of possible people for POTM moderator sounds pretty good to me.  Obviously, since we're only discussing an idea, anybody who wanted to do it could certainly throw their hat in the field.  With the proposals I suggested (ie, letting anyone make threads in the POTM board) I think that everyone could feel more involved even without being moderator, and anyone is already free to update the wiki if they feel like spending a little time learning how.  As for myself, I don't have a huge inclination to be a moderator on the POTM board.  My reasoning is that sometime in the near future, I don't think I'll be as active on PEEL as I might like to be.  I spent most of the last year and a half without internet, just as an example.  I deliberately didn't participate in the PEELie councils at least the last two years for these reasons as well, and I think the people that have filled in the gaps have done a wonderful job, both last year and this with those traditions.  I am very happy to see that so many people care about this place as much as I do.

I will probably send an email to mArc about this thread in the next few minutes and wait to see if he responds positively.



A Response to Mr./Ms. FreeHotMeal:

I believe the balance of old posters versus new balances itself out very well for POTM.  It happens frequently enough that anybody in recent memory can have a good possibility of at least ending up on the poll, which even without winning is a fine place to be.  Arguably, I think it's better than winning... hell, even though I've been an advocate of no winning repeatedly (and I hope never to win again), I will admit that I smile a little if anybody happens to nominate me for it.  Anyways, as I said above, I think it's highly unlikely that we would see 12 winners repeat each year, or even close.  Weiner might be right about DrThunder88 winning once a year, but he's pretty awesome and totally posts awesome consistently and continuously; there are a couple of people that come to mind that fit in that category as well.  The economic powers that drive such a contest will ultimately compel people to vote for different choices.  It took a long time, over a year for throwing out the rules before we could even begin to see the actual results of what that would do.  I know this sounds weird coming from me, being the advocate for keeping the original rules all along, but I think it could certainly have been more ridiculous.  Something like someone winning for 3 months in a row or more; having some rules in place would make sure that that doesn't become the standard, would allow for more people to win the award on a more deserving basis, and would let everyone feel that the "contest" was fair, thus enabling people to enjoy it more.

Your list of possible candidates is also lacking...  there are actually a lot more members than that who would be possible candidates even if we went by the old standard.  It's very hard to notice all the members of PEEL, and not all of them post mostly in Offtopic, and that's something I very much enjoy about POTM.  I have seen people who aren't necessarily Offtopic specific get recognition that I might not necessarily notice at first that they rightly deserve.  So for me... other than being just a popularity contest, POTM can and should be about getting to know our fellow PEELers.

I don't think we need to set a specific time before you can win POTM.  It makes things more complicated, and the nature of the system generally weeds out these possibilities anyways.  As above, I'm certain that no more than a handful of people have won POTM for the month they joined, or even shortly there after.  Most POTM winners won after several months and even years of being here, very much including myself.  Furthermore, most POTM winners stayed here for years, even after winning, although I can think of at least a few that took off shortly there after.

I can see that you were joking about the Poland thing.  In fact, I think most of us can see that, but it feels like you're actually upset that it seems like a small group of people is in control of everything and that they want to keep from disclude you.  I think a lot of people have certainly felt that way on PEEL, including futurefreak, and apparently everybody loves her!  However, you've been here for 5 months now FHM, and I can assure that things change and the group dynamics do as well.  If you stay here long enough, you'll have more than enough opportunity to be included.  Secondly, tnuk is very overt about proposing new things; that's his nature, and it's neat that he does; he's done a very good job with the PEELies this year, for example, which I happen to know is a lot of work.  It took me loads of hours to count up nominations and votes in a little notepad sheet, and I was totally out of league with it, but I think it was worth it.  This forum is really only about people who like Futurama talking to each other and spending time together... it's not about work, and you should be happy about that.  For the record on the PEELies council thing, I'm pretty sure that no one has been on a PEELies council that hasn't been here for years.  Furthermore, the PEELies are not something that we're guaranteed to have every year... we went without one for one year, but it's something that we like to do because Nixorbo is the greetest.  

Since you want to be a moderator on a POTM board... or maybe you just want to get involved... you might try emailing mArc about the moderator thing.  I'm being really honest with you though; the answer to that will probably be a no.  mArc doesn't talk to us that often anymore, and this is his (and slimmy's) message board.  When he does give out powers and favors to PEEL, he usually bestows them upon us through people who have been here a ridiculously long time and have gone the extra mile to help out PEEL in various measures.  However, if you want to be involved in POTM, if my proposal works, you could start the POTM thread whenever you get the chance, you could nominate in the POTM, you could vote in the POTM, and you could certainly edit the wiki.  These are all things that you could do right now if you wanted to though.

I know that last bit was a sarcastic joke too.  However, you shouldn't quit a job to post on a forum more regularly.  I know you probably don't like your job right now, and you're more qualified than me to get a better one.  A lot of us do spend a ridiculous amount of time on this message board though.... that's probably not necessarily a good thing, and in fact, I've seen at least one person ban themselves in an attempt to stop being so compulsive about it.  As with most of these things, you should just enjoy it because it's nice to have.  As for myself, I rarely have a phone.... when I did last year, it was one of the few ways I could post on PEEL, and it certainly wasn't a smartphone, nor did I do it very often... except that time I was watching Speed Racer.  shifty

To bring my point to a close: you should lighten up FHM.  You seem like a decent person and you really want to be included here.  I don't see a reason why you can't be, especially since I know most of these people and I find them rather reasonable.  However, if you get upset about the little things, people tend to natural throw it back at you, and that's probably the biggest reason you got nominated for negative awards.  Also... note that it took me years before I won POTM or a PEELie, and although I made trophies for myself for both occasions, I don't really think they're all that important; I'm just glad that there's a place like this that I can come to and relax.... and it really has been a home away from home for me when I needed it.



Edit since new posts came up while I was typing:

@hobbitboy: the proposals to change POTM as stated in this thread may in turn make it more like a best poster of the month.  However, POTM has never actually been about best poster of the month, and it has always been a popularity contest.  I stated reasons above why that's actually a good thing with a small portion of rules.  It brings us together to recognize somebody we like, and it used to be exciting and fun; that was the spirit of POTM and that's why we should have it.

@Svip: I've already tried that.  It doesn't work.  The reason it doesn't work is because there are thousands of posts made each month and it's very difficult for anybody to cull through their memory and think of the very best ones.  Eventually, since we all have such short attention spans, it will just die off on its own.  If you happen to disagree with my analysis, you can do what I did and start your own Post of the Month thread anytime you want.  That's also an interesting point.... that both this and the PEELies started out just because someone started them... there was no authority or governing body, somebody just decided they thought it would be fun to do and then we all did them and they were cool so we kept doing them.  I may be incorrect, but I think the ratio of female POTM winners to male POTM winners is ridiculously high for the past year.... which would make this, in fact, not a penis length contest.
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