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Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #560 on: 08-30-2004 12:19 »

 
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
That General Announcments thread sounds like a good idea.

Any comments from mods/admins?

Yes, has anyone talked to marc or Slimmy about this?
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« Reply #561 on: 08-30-2004 18:18 »
« Last Edit on: 08-30-2004 18:18 »

 
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That General Announcments thread sounds like a good idea.
That's what we have the test thr-- Oh, nevermind...

Someone should complain to marc about getting the test thread back, seriously, is it so bad to have one thread out of ten thousand being spammy?
We've got nowhere for our small announcements and discussions now... Not that i really ever posted there, but it was a good read sometimes.
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« Reply #562 on: 08-30-2004 22:10 »

Small announcements and stuuf, that's exactly what I meant by spam, if you did say somthing like,

"hey yall, I smacked my teacher for no reason" or "guess who's baaaaack"

in any other thread, would be considered spam, thus, you are saying exactly what I am.

Also, what do you mean GPT-esque, there is only one Guineapig Trick here, thank the lord, [evil laugh]
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« Reply #563 on: 08-30-2004 23:51 »

GPT, by "announcements", we do mean slightly more meaningful things than smacking your teacher. Like:
"Hey, I bought a puppy!"
"Dude! I won some free potatoes!"
"Would all PEELers please note that I'm going on holiday for the next week - don't worry if I don't post, I'm not dead. Just having a wonderful time."
"We now have a thread for [subject]. [url]."
Stuff like that. Not stuff like... well, most of the things you post. They can either be slotted into other threads, or are not worth posting.
aslate

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« Reply #564 on: 08-31-2004 03:20 »

GPT, make an announcement saying "I'm back from my holiday in Spain, it was great" in the rant thread makes it off-topic spam. Create a thread where you're allowed to post minor things like that, and it's not.
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« Reply #565 on: 08-31-2004 13:14 »

I've got one...look, I know it's a nice consideration that germanfryfan took the FAQ of the board and put it on a lovely scan art, but can we at least wait until someone actually breaks a rule before showing it to them? Especially since most of the rules are common sense anyway. It seems like every time there's a new user, no matter how intelligent and reasonable the person seems, they get that image waved in their face. I'd be so pissed off if that happened to me.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #566 on: 08-31-2004 14:01 »

Hell, you're even pissed off when it didn't happen to you. I'd hate to think what'd happen if it did...
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« Reply #567 on: 08-31-2004 16:53 »

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
Hell, you're even pissed off when it didn't happen to you. I'd hate to think what'd happen if it did...

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PCC Fred

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« Reply #568 on: 08-31-2004 20:27 »

LIFE CYCLE OF A TEST THREAD

STEP 1 - aslate lobbies for a new test thread, backed up by PEEL spammers and this month's n00b.

STEP 2 - Admin/Mod allows test thread to be started as long as it doesn't get too spammy.

STEP 3 - All's well for a while.

STEP 4 - The "What should we name the next test thread?" discussions begin.  Eventually these discussions will take up the last 3-4 pages of every test thread.

STEP 5 - Everytime a test thread is closed, half a dozen PEELers simultaneously open new ones using their thread title of choice.  Mod arrives and closes all but one.

STEP 6 - PEELers spend the first couple of pages of the new thread going on about whether or not the title's any good, and saying how theirs was better.

STEP 7 - By now the "don't get too spammy" rule has been long forgotten, and the post rate increases to the point where a 20 page test thread last only 10-11 days.

STEP 8 - Mod warns that if the post rate continues to increases, test threads will be abolished.  Rate decreases for a time, then increases again.

STEP 9 - Off-Topic crashes.  mArc puts out fires, then bans test threads.  aslate complains, leading to:

STEP 1 - aslate lobbies for a new test thread, backed up by PEEL spammers and this month's n00b.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #569 on: 08-31-2004 20:40 »
« Last Edit on: 08-31-2004 20:40 by totalnerduk »

PCC, you seem to feel that only spammers want a Test Thread or Test-Thread-Style thread.

I'm backing aslate this time around, because I think that we do need somewhere to put posts that are worth making (and therefore not spam) but do not need another thread of their own, and don't fit into other threads.

I'm no lover of spam, and I don't like seeing threads spammed to death. I believe that the answer is to punish offenders more harshly. Resetting post counts, removing custom avatar privelages, higher flood control timeframes for known spammers. All these should be introduced. Let the Mods of PEEL have some weapons with which to wage war on spam, and I'm sure that it'll decrease.

As for using the phrase "PEEL spammers", you are implying that you yourself back the idea of a test thread. Because you yourself have a high ratio of posts that don't particularly contribute to the thread that they're in. Or had. I've been out of touch for a few months. Either way, it's somewhat hypocritical.

I'm not wanting to get into a flamefest here, so I'll just close by saying that you're not thinking about the wider implications of what you're saying. Step back and consider the ramifications of bringing back Test Threads at the same time as bringing PEEL firmly back under control.

It's for the good.

Edited because the typo fairy is making me her bitch.
aslate

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« Reply #570 on: 08-31-2004 20:55 »

I didn't want to say this, i don't want to sound like i'm moaning, but i'd say the test thread needs better moderation.

Don't get me wrong, the moderating here is great and above normal, but when the spam gets out of control, i see nothing done about it. The last time there was a stupid session in there that i saw (Lefties Vs. Righties) we got about 3 pages in a day or two with no comments or anything about it.
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« Reply #571 on: 08-31-2004 21:06 »
« Last Edit on: 09-01-2004 00:00 by totalnerduk »

 
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Originally posted by aslate: the moderating here is great and above normal,

Wrong. We have three "great" moderators. They do not, however, have an exceptionally high rate of activity.

Visit THIS forum if you want to see examples of moderators that maintain a high level of activity on their boards.

What we need is for the Moderators of PEEL to either expand their numbers, or to take it upon themselves to exercise authority more often.

God, I never thought I'd say that.

But it's true. Moderator activity has declined since Xmas 2002 or so. I wouldn't like to guess why, but I suppose that part of it is due to the cancellation of Futurama, and the n00b explosion here.

We also need another UK Moderator. Tweek is good (most of the time), but not active enough, and not online as much as he used to be.

All, of course, strictly in my own opinion.

PCC Fred

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« Reply #572 on: 08-31-2004 21:20 »

total, I don't want a flamefest either, but I assure you that if the Test Threads return, they'll cause more problems than they solve.

As for me not thinking about the "wider implications", test threads didn't stop people spamming up other threads, nor did it stop them opening threads on topics that didn't really need their own topics.  And there's no reason to believe that the situation would be any different now.  It's okay to say "give the mods greater powers", but I'm sure mArc, slimmy and the mod squad have better things to do than impose endless sanctions on Sammy Spammer.

And I admit I used to be spammy.  But I contend that that's no longer the case.  My 10,000th post was in April, four months later I'm on 10,225.   225 posts in four months, and the vast majority of those have been in the sports threads where my posts are on-topic, relatively well-informed and well-received.  Since I've gone to the effort of cutting out spammy posts, I don't see that it's hypocritical of me to say that we shouldn't make a thread for the benefit of the PEELers who have to make 20+ posts a day.

And I never said that only spammers want the test thread back.  I don't think aslate's a spammer, nor you.  Others I'm not so sure about...
aslate

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« Reply #573 on: 08-31-2004 21:21 »

The only problem with adding more mods (I'm always in favour of), was that mArc pretty much maxed out the modding ability if i remember correctly, that's why he created the mod and Uber-mods, because he couldn't add more mods.

I do agree on the fact we need another UK moderator, Tweek may be ok when he's on, but there's a lovely moderating gap i've seen abused loads between him going offline and the US mods coming along in the morning.
TheLampIncident

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« Reply #574 on: 08-31-2004 21:44 »

Is there anyone from Australia that would be a good moderator? I think we don't really need any more from America, that's agreed by all of us. I think Tweek does a good job as moderator as he's online often and makes good decisions. I'm wondering if anyone from Australia has the qualities of a moderator in them. While it's the wee hours of the morning in America, the Australians are enjoying their afternoon. Even by their afternoon, our UK moderator may still be busy sleeping. So if you think you've got the guts and you're from the land down under, that's what I'm looking at.

But what the fuck do I know. I'm a noob. And I'm an asshole.
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« Reply #575 on: 08-31-2004 22:14 »

 
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Originally posted by TheLampIncident:
But what the fuck do I know. I'm a noob. And I'm an asshole.

yes you are

[Bender]And thats why I love him![/Bender]

but as another noob, I'll back that idea if it's ever but into production.
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« Reply #576 on: 08-31-2004 23:54 »

I object, I may be a n00b, but I'm not a complete spammer. I have one or two spammy posts every now and then but most, if I find them spammy, Ill poist something on-topic in the same post, so it isn't spam.

But, PCC, you do make a good point, but still, I want them back.

@TNUK: Im bad at examples, so what, saying your back, or going somewher, and such has already been stated, and I wanted to give a different example.
evan

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« Reply #577 on: 09-01-2004 01:25 »

 
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Originally posted by TheLampIncident:
Is there anyone from Australia that would be a good moderator? I think we don't really need any more from America, that's agreed by all of us.

Most of the Aussies either a) don't have the experience or b) don't post enough.  I know I'll be derided for this, but the best choice for an Australian moderator would be Ben, IMO.

As for [mArc] setting limits on moderatorship, here's an unpopular decision.  Maybe we should ask some of our less-active mods (Travis, Bart182) if they wouldn't mind stepping down.  I haven't seen Travis post here for months, and you could give that mod slot to someone in the UK or Europe (Spiff).

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Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #578 on: 09-01-2004 02:03 »
« Last Edit on: 09-01-2004 02:03 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
 As for [mArc] setting limits on moderatorship, here's an unpopular decision.  Maybe we should ask some of our less-active mods (Travis, Bart182) if they wouldn't mind stepping down.  I haven't seen Travis post here for months, and you could give that mod slot to someone in the UK or Europe (Spiff).


I think that PEEL does have a good enough amount of Mods. Although Bart182 and DrippyTaco dont participate alot; Nix, Tweek, VelourFog and Kryten do a fine job at closing threads and keeping the spam down.

But if there was to be new mods I would choose(as you said) Spiff, Ben, or Teral. I just dont think anymore are needed.

And i dont think mArc needs to tell Drippy and Bart to step down. They dont HAVE TO use their mod-powers constantly.
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« Reply #579 on: 09-01-2004 02:23 »

I say that DrThunder should be a mod. It'd be like his working life and recreational life brought together in some sort of beautiful fantasy world.  big grin
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« Reply #580 on: 09-01-2004 06:30 »

 
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:
  And i dont think mArc needs to tell Drippy and Bart to step down. They dont HAVE TO use their mod-powers constantly.

 
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Originally posted by aslate:
The only problem with adding more mods (I'm always in favour of), was that mArc pretty much maxed out the modding ability if i remember correctly, that's why he created the mod and Uber-mods, because he couldn't add more mods.

Owned.
M0le

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« Reply #581 on: 09-01-2004 07:13 »

 
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Originally posted by TLI:
Is there anyone from Australia that would be a good moderator? I think we don't really need any more from America, that's agreed by all of us.
It's like evan said: most Aussies don't have the experience or post enough to moderate. I'd say the amount of moderators is pretty good, although I'll admit in all my time here I've seen about three posts from Drippy and maybe one from Bart182. Kryten, Nix, Tweek and VF do a good job as it is. It's a good idea though, representation from the three main continents which post here.
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« Reply #582 on: 09-01-2004 08:50 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
 Most of the Aussies either a) don't have the experience or b) don't post enough.  I know I'll be derided for this, but the best choice for an Australian moderator would be Ben, IMO.


What about Moi?
Personally, Ben's not neutral enough for the task of moderator IMO.
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« Reply #583 on: 09-01-2004 11:17 »

Fight you for it Grim.... evil laugh
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #584 on: 09-01-2004 14:00 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
 I don't see that it's hypocritical of me to say that we shouldn't make a thread for the benefit of the PEELers who have to make 20+ posts a day.

To overcome this, perhaps my suggestion which I posted earlier, of having post limits per person, per page should apply (to Test threads only). It'd be like the no double posting rule, but instead; no more than 2 posts a page or something. I mean, if the Test thread is gonna mainly be used for announcements, there shouldn't really be much need for the same poster to post more than once or twice a page, if even that...

If this rule was applied, then any offenders should just be banned from Test threads altogether, because theyíre the ones stopping the Test threads in the first place. Itís not the Test thread thatís the problem, itís the people abusing it, so why should the Test thread itself have to suffer? and at everyone elseís loss?...
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« Reply #585 on: 09-01-2004 14:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Grim:
 What about Moi?
Personally, Ben's not neutral enough for the task of moderator IMO.

Well, if you ask me, the idea of neutrality is mainly a perception. Everyone has opinions, but not everyone speaks their mind. I mean, if I became a moderator, I'd be willing to put aside all the bad crap I do just to maintain the board's dignity. But like I said, we don't need another American, and I haven't been here long enough anyway. I think Ben would actually do a fine job.

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« Reply #586 on: 09-01-2004 15:05 »
« Last Edit on: 09-01-2004 15:05 »

In a perfect world that's a very balanced and fair solution, Otis. However this will put a tremendous strain on the moderators. You can't stop someone from posting more than twice pr page through the forum software, and you can't ban someone from one specific thread (or forum for that matter (at least that's my understanding of UBB 5.45). So it all falls back on the moderators, and frankly why should they take on this extra load of work just to bring back test threads. And I have a feeling they wouldn't care anyway, much easier just to ban the test threads entirely.

As for more moderators, this issue always come up when test threads are banned due to spam. More moderators, more moderators. Well, why not treat the desease rather than the symptoms? Moderators can only treat the symptoms (remove spam, ban spammers), PEELers can remove the desease (stop spamming). Yeah, it's another one of them "In a perfect world..." ideas, I know. :P

Bottum line, I think the moderators do a great job as it is.

@Lampy: There's still room for 2 additional mods and one Uber-mod. The system can only handle 4 people in each cathegory, not 4 people in total.

And as dirty as it makes me feel, I agree with evan; Ben would be the logical choice for an Aussie mod. And then there will never be another test thread again, ever!    tongue Hmm, there have to be some downside to this...

Well, I think that was everything.
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« Reply #587 on: 09-01-2004 16:14 »

No doubt if a new mod was made the same people who requested it would start moaning as soon as he clamped down on them  tongue
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« Reply #588 on: 09-01-2004 18:26 »

Sure... but I would love to see the christening of a new mod... It would like... a new PEEL era (the deathreign of Ben!)!!!  tongue  roll eyes  wink
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« Reply #589 on: 09-01-2004 19:23 »

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
why should the Test thread itself have to suffer?

Because it's not a real thing that can feel pain?

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
So it all falls back on the moderators, and frankly why should they take on this extra load of work just to bring back test threads.

Short answer: we wouldn't.

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« Reply #590 on: 09-02-2004 13:30 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
 Because it's not a real thing that can feel pain?

That's what they thought about Mr Wilson...
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« Reply #591 on: 09-02-2004 22:40 »

Itsa me! MARIO!
Spacedal11

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« Reply #592 on: 09-02-2004 22:46 »

*has a heartattack & passes out on the floor*.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #593 on: 09-02-2004 23:51 »

 
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Originally posted by shoopbender:
Itsa me! MARIO!

oh dear god. Since when have YOU been back!?

Nice to see ya post again buddy.   smile
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« Reply #594 on: 09-03-2004 04:15 »
« Last Edit on: 09-03-2004 04:15 »

 
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What about Moi?
Personally, Ben's not neutral enough for the task of moderator IMO.
Aussie moderator potentials
Ben : Fades in and out of existance all the time, and only really visits offtopic, but he would be good at the job, if he didn't get sick of it, i don't think he'd do anything stupid with the power.

Beamer : Still hangs around most sections of PEEL, good guy, and will give that "You did the wrong thing, but i still love you" feel to PEEL, but doesn't post much, and experience might be an issue.

Grim : Not here all the time, fades in and out a bit, but, been here for a fair while and knows what people hate.

Rach : Been here for ages, but, doesn't post much, and rarely outside of offtopic, fades out of existance reguarly.

Gleno : Visits most sections, but doesn't post reguarly. Experience could be a factor

Alexvilagosh : Would have been a good mod back in the day, but doesn't post as much as he used to, and now, rarely outside of offtopic.

Mic : Would be a fantasic moderator, would probably be the most experienced in spam prevention, but, again, rarely posts and posts even less outside of offtopic (Unless it's in one of his own threads       tongue)

Me (Why the hell not?) : Doesn't post much, but shows up nearly everyday, only been a mod elsewhere once, doesn't visit Websites/Reviews or the PE stockroom often, but usually checks the rest out, at least once a day.

Sorry if I forgot anyone decent.

Now, obviously, i might be wrong about some of this, as unfortunatly, i'm not some of these people. They might read more than they post, like me. I just happen to know that i do it.

Overall, you'd be looking at the time at PEEL, and how often they show up, not nessessarily how often they post. (Otherwise, we're all out of it)
They shouldn't have to do much, as there's less people around at thier peak time, so as long as they do a satisfactory job it shouldn't really matter if they're fantastic moderators, as long as they've got the common sense for to close the really stupid, and blatently rule-breaking threads.

If i had to choose one, then really, i don't think you could go wrong with any of them. As long as they show up to do thier job. If slim/marc are really concerned about choosing someone, just test them out for a week, what harm could it do?

As for whether we actually need anymore moderators...
Well, while i reckon PEEL's doing OK, i don't see how getting another one, or even a few new moderators could do any harm. At the moment, you've got three or four active moderators, to pound the justice into 150-200-odd active users.
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« Reply #595 on: 09-03-2004 05:16 »

I still think the current mods are doing their job just fine. I don't think half of the list you offered would qualify  tongue
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« Reply #596 on: 09-03-2004 05:40 »

Because they're the only people we've got.  tongue
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« Reply #597 on: 09-03-2004 23:28 »

 
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:
 oh dear god. Since when have YOU been back!?

Nice to see ya post again buddy.    smile

Am I the only one who stayed in contact with shoopbender since he left Peel? And why didn't anyone care that I had a heartattack!?  cry
futuramafreak

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« Reply #598 on: 09-04-2004 01:06 »

I stayed in contact.  Woo.  I'm tired.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #599 on: 09-04-2004 01:37 »
« Last Edit on: 09-04-2004 01:37 »

Me 2. We're buddies.
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