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Author Topic: Futurama is over, and there's not much you can do about it.  (Read 3848 times)
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zoidyzoid

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« Reply #40 on: 07-20-2004 23:24 »
« Last Edit on: 07-20-2004 23:24 »

I know it's cool to be jaded and cynical, and I know that any attempts to bring Futurama back at this stage are doomed, but if people want to try, then let them. And please, don't get into petty flaming of those you disagree with (especially post-count-based flaming, that just makes the flamer look like a tool).

If it's spam you're worried about, then why not just make people stick to one Bring Back Futurama thread, and close all the others? One of those threads is no more of a waste of space than this one.
mic

Bending Unit
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« Reply #41 on: 07-20-2004 23:41 »

As stated before (please, read my original post and all the replies):

  • The purpose of this thread is to set a precedent about this sort of thing, and to show that we've been down this road, discussed it, and were we've ended up with this.  It is to also to summarise the notes scattered across many of these "save futurama" threads.
  • I didn't say you couldn't come up with plans, and have hope.  I told you why I have not hope, yes, I probably tried to "convert" you.
  • Understand that the show was cancelled over three years ago.  It was official two years ago.  The last new episode aired on FOX a year ago.  It's a bit late to start action now.
  • If you wanna start a website about this, with your own forum, do so.  There's already been the suggestion that PEEL hosts it, which has been rejected.

    As stated in my last post, simply place a link to the site in this thread, I'll pop it up the top where it's more "visible".  That way, any future closed threads can be reffered to here, and they can see where they can go if they "still have hope and are the true fans".

    It's both spam and the mere presence of these threads that bothers me and others.  Many of them are filled with these comments and stupid ideas that could potentially give PEEL a lawsuit to deal with.  If the discussion moves to another board exclusivly about it, then you have the control, you can delete threads like mine saying that there's no hope and you should give up.  And the only people liable for your actions are yourselves, not the PEEL admins.
El Zilcho

Professor
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« Reply #42 on: 07-20-2004 23:44 »

I love how there were no arguments about the ridiculousness of bringing Seinfeld back, but everyone jumped on "Seinfeld ended, Futurama was cancelled."  laff
zoidyzoid

Professor
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« Reply #43 on: 07-20-2004 23:55 »
« Last Edit on: 07-20-2004 23:55 »

 
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Originally posted by mic:
As stated before (please, read my original post and all the replies):

  • The purpose of this thread is to set a precedent about this sort of thing, and to show that we've been down this road, discussed it, and were we've ended up with this.  It is to also to summarise the notes scattered across many of these "save futurama" threads.
  • I didn't say you couldn't come up with plans, and have hope.  I told you why I have not hope, yes, I probably tried to "convert" you.
  • Understand that the show was cancelled over three years ago.  It was official two years ago.  The last new episode aired on FOX a year ago.  It's a bit late to start action now.
  • If you wanna start a website about this, with your own forum, do so.  There's already been the suggestion that PEEL hosts it, which has been rejected.

    As stated in my last post, simply place a link to the site in this thread, I'll pop it up the top where it's more "visible".  That way, any future closed threads can be reffered to here, and they can see where they can go if they "still have hope and are the true fans".

    It's both spam and the mere presence of these threads that bothers me and others.  Many of them are filled with these comments and stupid ideas that could potentially give PEEL a lawsuit to deal with.  If the discussion moves to another board exclusivly about it, then you have the control, you can delete threads like mine saying that there's no hope and you should give up.  And the only people liable for your actions are yourselves, not the PEEL admins.
Was that post directed at me? If so:

  • I wasn't specifically referring to you when talking about flaming, etc.
  • I agreed that there is no real hope of Futurama coming back, I was simply asking for a bit of tolerance for those who wish to try. Personally I've given up (and, to be honest, I don't know whether a comeback would be a good thing), but it seems stupid to get shitty at people who do still have hope, false or otherwise, and care enough to do something.
  • I never suggested creating a dedicated forum or website- I actually said that if it was spam that people are worried about, then all but one of the 'Save Futurama' threads should be closed.
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Originally posted by El Zilcho:
I love how there were no arguments about the ridiculousness of bringing Seinfeld back, but everyone jumped on "Seinfeld ended, Futurama was cancelled."   laff

Yeah, but wasn't that because (most) people detected the obviously sarcastic tone of the post, and were only taking issue with what they perceived to be a dubious comparison?
El Zilcho

Professor
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« Reply #44 on: 07-21-2004 00:00 »

Don't you rain on mah parade.
mic

Bending Unit
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« Reply #45 on: 07-21-2004 00:14 »

 
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Originally posted by zoidyzoid:
 Was that post directed at me?

One can safely assume so.  Though I think I got confused with what you were saying originally, which is likely.  I apologize.

 
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If so:

  • I wasn't specifically referring to you when talking about flaming, etc.
I got the feeling it included everyone on both sides of the argument.

 
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  • I agreed that there is no real hope of Futurama coming back, I was simply asking for a bit of tolerance for those who wish to try. Personally I've given up (and, to be honest, I don't know whether a comeback would be a good thing), but it seems stupid to get shitty at people who do still have hope, false or otherwise, and care enough to do something.
Yes, I didn't critize wether or not you were gonna do anything.  It's your choice.  I was talking about what if anyone from PEEL did it.  It doesn't have to be you.  That probably should have been directed at the third person plural, rather than my unclear (and incorrect) usage of the second person plural.  Seeing as you're not one of them, I should have used the third person.  Sorry, that's my terrible grammar setting in.

 
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  • I never suggested creating a dedicated forum or website- I actually said that if it was spam that people are worried about, then all but one of the 'Save Futurama' threads should be closed.
Yes, but I've mentioned it at least twice on the last page, as an alternative to all of the threads.  Yes, a single thread about saving Futurama could work but thinking about it now, if it was taken too far, PEEL could be sued. 

Looking at the AFF plan, there's health risks involved.  Rotting fish that's been out in the Sun is a goldmine for bateria and parasites to live in.  Yes, they're sealed, but what if one is punctured in transit?  Then some nasty bug gets in, breeds, and you've got an outbreak.

Oh yes, and the quote button is for when you want to reply to individual quotes, in context.  A @mic: would suffice in that case, or just snipping my post after the first couple of sentences.  Sorry to pitpick smile
dvdashot

Crustacean
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« Reply #46 on: 07-21-2004 02:25 »

I dunno about PEEL having a lawsuit on their hands because of a 'Save Futurama' thread. Seems pretty unlikely.

I think we'd all take this a little more seriously if it were coming from an administrator or ubermod. They're letting the threads exist (in moderation) whether they think it's futile or not. Let PEEL look out for it's own legal interests. If they need a legal advice, they won't be seeking it from anyone here.

I'm not saying that 'Save Futurama' threads are one of my favourite things, but they surely aren't any worse than a 'Stop saving Futurama (because it bothers me)' thread.
Roddney

Bending Unit
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« Reply #47 on: 07-21-2004 04:33 »

As I and others mentioned above dvd sales seem to have an impact on a networks decision to keep a show running. im keeping hope at least for a while longer. the 4th season isnt released in the states untill august 24th wait untill around christmas and we may have word that the show is back. if it can happen to familly guy why not futurama!!??


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Nasty Pasty

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #48 on: 07-21-2004 04:41 »

I agree Roddney. If anything is going to convince FOX that Futurama is worth bringing back, it's Money. If they see that DVD sales for the series are good, they'll consider bringing it back so they can milk the series for more money.
Rhodan

Bending Unit
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« Reply #49 on: 07-21-2004 15:15 »
« Last Edit on: 07-21-2004 15:15 »

Of course nobody of us can  bring Futurama back, still majority of duscussion are arguments over and over what could/couldnŽt happen. indeed, little pointless.
As for me, IŽam trying to be realistic which for me means that series is currently dead and probably Žll stay so but IŽam waiting for some new rumours but can not be disappointed when they arenŽt any.The movie would be a very good compromise
For virtuall seasons - they would be nice, but we have PLANTY of fanfictions and these seasons wouldnŽt be cannon.       
Rage Dump

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #50 on: 07-22-2004 08:49 »

 
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if it can happen to familly guy why not futurama!!??
Because Family guy Costs about 3 times less to produce that Futurama.
And it's better.
SlackJawedMoron

Urban Legend
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« Reply #51 on: 07-22-2004 11:07 »

Baldercrap!

Regarding the Family Guy being better thing, not the cost thing...

Actually, I'd like to see an official statement for the production costs of both these shows. Google didn't help me (perhaps I'm using the wrong keywords).

A little help?
dvdashot

Crustacean
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« Reply #52 on: 07-22-2004 12:04 »

In a Family Guy commentary, they say that one episode costs about $1 million to produce. I believe this is also the approximate cost of Futurama.
TheLampIncident

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« Reply #53 on: 07-22-2004 12:18 »

Remember in the commentary for A Clone Of My Own, how they said that escape sequence cost about 10 million bucks? That's probably the priciest thing they did. I believe Futurama is well above Family Guy in production quality.
j_ohanley

Bending Unit
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« Reply #54 on: 07-22-2004 13:57 »

That sounded like a bit of an exaggeration to me. But there's still no denying that Futurama looks a lot more expensive. And if it isn't, well then, we know which show has better accountants.
DrJohnZ

Starship Captain
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« Reply #55 on: 07-22-2004 14:46 »

DAMN! why did I have to be away for a week when this thread was created??

Anyway in replies to the first thread, that BeatBoxer78 guy was an idiot...nothing more you can say about that.

But as far as the (probibly) never ending argument on any hope of the show comming back... I guess I stand where I know Futurama has a slim chance of returning, but since I like the show so much, I'll always have some hope of it returning.
Coilette

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #56 on: 07-22-2004 15:22 »

Futurama is dead, it's not coming back.

 I've accepted it for a long time now and cherish the episodes that have been made.
davierocks

Professor
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« Reply #57 on: 07-22-2004 16:30 »

I think it was Herman Hesse who said "Some people thing it is a sign of strength to hold on.  Sometimes it is stronger to let go.
DDie

Bending Unit
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« Reply #58 on: 07-22-2004 16:53 »

I think we should fight for Futurama on the beaches and we should fight for it on the glaciers!

If this fails I think the best way to get over it is to watch the old episodes over and over. This is what I'm doing most of my spare time (and also in the other time where I am supposed to do "useful" things..  wink).

Otherwise I'd like to point to Benders philosophie:
"You stink, Bender's great, deal with it!"

If there isn't any success soon there'll never be any success  frown. I'm adding my name to petitions and I'm gonna write letters to FOX.. otherwise: "deal with it!"
boggy b

Crustacean
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« Reply #59 on: 07-22-2004 17:10 »

So basically, the only way Futurama will return is if someone can offer to fund the entire thing, pouring millions of dollars into something that could very possibly make a loss.

So I guess that really does mean good bye to Futurama then.
Gorky

Space Pope
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« Reply #60 on: 07-22-2004 22:10 »

 
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Originally posted by davierocks:
I think it was Herman Hesse who said "Some people thing it is a sign of strength to hold on.  Sometimes it is stronger to let go.

That describes my feelings perfectly. Futurama was a brilliant show that met an unjust cancelation. As much as I would like Futurama to come back, I realize that the chances are rather dismal. So, instead of gripping to the lingering hope that Fox will bring the show back, I think that the wiser decision would be to let go and just sort of hope in the back of your mind that Futurama will one day come back. Better yet, show your support for the show by buying the DVDs and such, but don't try to end up depressing yourself in the end when you come to the realization that your actions really haven't done much at all.  I'm not saying that you have to give up, I'm just saying that it's a wiser thing to do than falling flat on your face time and again. And actually, while I don't really think that your actions will do much in the long run, I have to admire your spirit.
   

Rage Dump

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #61 on: 07-23-2004 02:40 »

 
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Originally posted by boggy b:
I.
Must.
Destroy.
You.
SlackJawedMoron

Urban Legend
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« Reply #62 on: 07-23-2004 02:40 »

I was waiting for the other clodhopper to drop..
boggy b

Crustacean
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« Reply #63 on: 07-23-2004 11:22 »

Yeah, sorry for picking a name that was very similar to someone else's.
SlackJawedMoron

Urban Legend
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« Reply #64 on: 07-23-2004 11:29 »

Don't worry, boggy. Your avatar says it all.  wink
Xerxes

Bending Unit
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« Reply #65 on: 07-23-2004 12:38 »

[Fry] You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more and cover your ears and go blah blah blah... [/Fry]

But, on the other hand, what would happen to me if Futurama was revived? I'd be eager to get the new episodes somehow, but considering the fact that futurama is mostly unknown in my country (no DVDs nor airing) and my internet connection is incredibly slow to use any kind of p2p networks, I wouldn't be able to get them and that would drive me mad. I consider it a big miracle that I was able to get the existing episodes on a hrad drive from a friend of my friend's co-worker's friend (you've got the point).

And I second the opinion that Futurama won't die unless there are no new fanficitons, fanarts and comics whatsoever...
germanfryfan

The Listmaker
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« Reply #66 on: 07-23-2004 12:51 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2004 12:51 »

Xerxes you know that this quote has lost its magic long ago, because it was used too much!

It is true that the show's spirit will be kept alive as long as there are artists, but the show itself is already dead and there is nothing you can do about!
Sika

Crustacean
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« Reply #67 on: 07-23-2004 13:57 »

Xerxes, cant you order UK DVDs? I'm interested in buying them myself, but i'm not sure how would it work in my country.
We have futurama every saturday and sunday at noon, before the cooking show  smile
Btw, it's possible to download entire futurama in just a few months, i should know  smile)
it was really great - you wait for days to get your next episode in low low quality divx  smile
and then you watch it and watch it, and watch it some more until your head starts to hurt

i've never seen any fanart, fanfictions or fansomething
Xerxes

Bending Unit
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« Reply #68 on: 07-23-2004 15:07 »

@Germanfryfan: No, I didn't know, but I do now  smile And I'm not trying to do anything about the fact that the show is dead; I realize it would be useless. And for most non-American (or non-English speaking) people the show is still alive becase their channels started to air it recently and haven't stopped airing it yet (I assume that some Czech TV will air it eventually). Maybe they don't even know the show was cancelled (I saw the first episode of Futurama at the exact time the last one was broadcasted at Fox).

@Sika: If I was considering ordering the DVDs abroad, I would choose German because the DVDs there are multilingual and cheaper than from England, but compared to the price of Czech DVDs they are still incredibly expensive (too bad the currecy ratios aren't real). And I think it would work in our countries since there's one region for the entire Europe as far as I know. And I also know it is possible to download them, but that possibility is rather theoretical than practical. And don't worry - I already got over the head-hurting phase  smile

BTW, some fanfictions are great, but you have to come to term with the fact that even tough they are very Futurama related, they are someting a bit different, depending on each writer's style.
germanfryfan

The Listmaker
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« Reply #69 on: 07-23-2004 15:28 »

Sorry Xerxes, i didn't want to assault you.  smile
Maybe I didn't understand your post, but it is annoying that by all the facts given in this thread, there are still people who can't understand it.

The German DVDs offer three languages German, English and Spanish (Castellano) + the commentaries. Subtitles are in English, German, German commentaries, Spanish, Dansk, Finn, Norwegian, Swedish for Season 1 and 2. Season 3 is has only the subtitles in English, German and Spanish.
They were cheaper when I bought them last year (~110€ Season 1-3) now they cost about 140€ in the same store. Hopefully the German Season 4 will be available next year, cos Pro 7 is airing the 5th (airing) season now.
David A

Urban Legend
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« Reply #70 on: 07-23-2004 16:02 »

 
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Originally posted by germanfryfan:
Sorry Xerxes, i didn't want to assault you.   smile

But I do.

*Throws spear at Xerxes, draws sword and charges.*

Remember the 300!
Xerxes

Bending Unit
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« Reply #71 on: 07-23-2004 16:24 »

@Germanfryfan: It's OK, I didn't want to go against the tide either. I even tried to explain in my first post that it would be the... ehm... the worse variant for me if the show was revived. And thanks for the valuable info.

@David A: Huh?
David A

Urban Legend
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« Reply #72 on: 07-23-2004 16:31 »

You need to read your history, dude.

Did you pick your user name at random, or what?
Xerxes

Bending Unit
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« Reply #73 on: 07-23-2004 16:49 »

Oh, you mean that. Well, at the time I picked that nickname I didn't realize the historical relations, I picked the name because it was used somewhere elsewhere and it sounded cool to me. I'm not much of a history fan but I do know he was some Persian king during the Greek-Persian wars. Sorry for being stupid, now I get it.
boggy b

Crustacean
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« Reply #74 on: 07-23-2004 16:59 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2004 16:59 »

 
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Don't worry, boggy. Your avatar says it all.

Says all of what?

Is there something I'm missing here?
futuramafreak

Urban Legend
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« Reply #75 on: 07-23-2004 17:00 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2004 17:00 »

I haven't completely given up hope, but I know it's not coming back.  I'm taking the links out of my sig on August 10th.

[edit] Nah, I'm taking them out now.  After reading in the paper that Futurama was going to air the last episode last July, I remember how crushed I was, but I dealt with it.  I'm sad that the last ep was aired almost a year ago, but I have to get over it.
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Y_L_B

Professor
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« Reply #76 on: 07-23-2004 18:06 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2004 18:06 »

I'm a part of AFF, but even so I realize that Futurama is dead. It may come back, but not because of anything within our power. It has been said before: FOX is a corperation. In the words of Charlotte Pickles, "A corperation is like a big monster. My job is to look for smaller monsters for it to eat."

Only time will tell if the monster that is FOX will spew up the rodent that is our beloved Futurama.

EDIT: will, not wil...
futuramafreak

Urban Legend
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« Reply #77 on: 07-23-2004 18:31 »

What's AFF?
Y_L_B

Professor
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« Reply #78 on: 07-23-2004 21:34 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2004 21:34 »

 
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Originally posted by futuramafreak:
What's AFF?

Anchovies For Fry.

EDIT: linked
Scifly

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« Reply #79 on: 07-23-2004 23:33 »

 
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Originally posted by Y_L_B:
I'm a part of AFF, but even so I realize that Futurama is dead. It may come back, but not because of anything within our power. It has been said before: FOX is a corperation. In the words of Charlotte Pickles, "A corperation is like a big monster. My job is to look for smaller monsters for it to eat."

Only time wil tell if the monster that is FOX will spew up the rodent that is our beloved Futurama.

You certainly have a way with words Y_L_B.

Growing old is manditory, Growing up isn't
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