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PEE Poll: OPERATION: SAVE FUTURAMA!…A Poll
I wrote a well reserched, formal letter to fox.   -4 (10.5%)
I...left flaming dog doo on Rupert Murdoc's stoop   -1 (2.6%)
I wrote a letter of a different sort...heh heh heh   -0 (0%)
Who cares ? I never loved it anyway! *sobs*   -1 (2.6%)
I've signed up for the live march on the 10th   -0 (0%)
Go AFF, Whoooo!   -23 (60.5%)
ALL HOPE IS DEAD!*Jumps off cliff in The Simpsons*   -9 (23.7%)
Total Voters: 38

Mallzie

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« on: 07-18-2004 19:41 »

Alright, as any good futurama fan would know, the show, alas, has been cancelled for nearly a year. And, as you have undoubtably heard, many fans have not taken that sitting down. Infact there have been, and are now, many campaigns aimed at giving the sweet kiss of life to the half-drowned puppy that is our favorite program. Here you get to brag about your fan spirit and shamelessly promote any curent campaings.

Odelay3547

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« Reply #1 on: 07-18-2004 19:45 »

They will never bring it back! Damn excecutives!

 Leela:To Fox, the fate of Futurama was sound.
 Fry:And it was this sound![claps hands, toilet flushes]
Scifly

Bending Unit
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« Reply #2 on: 07-18-2004 19:49 »

Go AFF givem hell, or anchovies, or honey, or whatever.
germanfryfan

The Listmaker
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« Reply #3 on: 07-18-2004 20:02 »

It's hard to decide:

On one hand there are few chances that it will have a return someday (not so soon), whenever they get tired of the Simpsons and Matt wants to. on the other I don't see any chances in Futurama's return as long as FOX holds the rights.

AFF wasn't meant to get it back into production, and anybody who thinks that AFF is going to do that has a sick mind. You can't really believe that FOX will spend about 30 Million Dollars for a new season of a seriess they never loved and droped just because, lets say 100 (maybe much more), cans of fish arrive at their headquarter.
 
AFF was meant to be a reminder that there are still fans out there in the world who love Futurama and hate what Fox has done to us a year ago. You may call it revenge, although it will be a small one.

Also I don't think that any of these letters we write reaches the man/woman it is adressed to. Even these people have secretaries and I bet these are advised to filter out every crap that comes through the mail and only let serious mail through.

Beside Mallzie: CAPS are evil!
Lrrrr

Bending Unit
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« Reply #4 on: 07-18-2004 20:14 »

this was said once and I will quote it "You can't give up hope because it's hopeless, you've got to hope even more, cover your ears and go blah blah blah blah blah."-Philip J. Fry
j_ohanley

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« Reply #5 on: 07-18-2004 20:47 »

 
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Originally posted by germanfryfan:
Also I don't think that any of these letters we write reaches the man/woman it is adressed to. Even these people have secretaries and I bet these are advised to filter out every crap that comes through the mail and only let serious mail through.

Yes, but eventually, if there's a lot of cans, the big wigs will have to take notice:

Secretary: Sir, there's something weird happening. I've been getting dozens of cans of anchovies. That's right, I said anchovies. Well yeah sure, I'll look into it. Yes, I said anchovies.

Later...

Secretary: What the hell is Futurama?

Someone should tip off the media about this. That'll put the icing on the cake.

Reporter: Crazed fans bombarding the Fox Headquarters with cans of anchovies to protest a  long cancelled science fiction cartoon? It's bizarre! It's insane! It's news!

A petition with 300,000+ signatures didn't budge 'em, I think we can safely say that AFF is the next best thing.   smile
Zoidberg227

Space Pope
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« Reply #6 on: 07-19-2004 00:42 »

GFF-
I don't think anyone said AFF was going to bring the show back.  But, it can't hurt, and it at least lets them know we're still here.  You never know, though... AFF could one day become the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

And we can't know that our letters won't reach Gail Berman until we try.  Maybe she'll realize something's up when her secretary says that she recieved X amount of letters regarding Futurama, and that she might want to look in to it.

AFF may do nothing for Futurama, but a man can dream, though.  A man can dream...
Coop

Professor
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« Reply #7 on: 07-19-2004 04:16 »

Jeez, so many dreamers. It's a damn shame, I'll admit. But I've really seen enough ideas and petitions and letters to the point where I just ignore them. I'm pretty sure the Fox execs are doing the same.


The official CARLITO of PEEL
Scifly

Bending Unit
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« Reply #8 on: 07-19-2004 05:51 »

Ofcourse they're ignoring us, thats the point of doing this to get there attention.

ATTENTION FOX WE ARE PEEL AND WE ARE PISSSED OFFFF!!!!!!!  up yours

Growing old is manditory, Growing up isn't
Dare to be stupid
ouch

Delivery Boy
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« Reply #9 on: 07-19-2004 06:35 »

Scifly, you took the words outta my mouth. Protesters don't chain themselves to things, starve themselves, and puke magenta for fun, they do it because gimmicks and wrenches in the machine speak more loudly than logging on and providing your name to a petition. I'm not sure why AFF got started, but I continue it because I'm tired of petitions. 

And even if it is in vain, I'm not standing by as long the issue of Futurama is still on the table.

P.S. Scifly, why do I always picture you as Leonard Nemoy? was that your old avatar?
Scifly

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« Reply #10 on: 07-19-2004 06:51 »

 
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Originally posted by ouch:


P.S. Scifly, why do I always picture you as Leonard Nemoy? was that your old avatar?

Yes it was. I changed it because I'm not really anything like him.  I figured the avatar I have now pretty much sums me up.

Growing old is manditory, Growing up isn't
Dare to be stupid
kiffan

Bending Unit
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« Reply #11 on: 07-19-2004 13:35 »

I assume aff is code for mailing anchovies to FOX.  very clever.  But could someone provide the headquarters adress for me?  the only one I know of is the local one which is an unimpresive building next to my orthodontist's office.  hmpf

And if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. --Groucho Marx.
TheLampIncident

Urban Legend
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« Reply #12 on: 07-19-2004 13:45 »

When will you people ever learn? There's no lifting the iron fist of FOX. We got FOUR seasons out of it. Can't you fucking idiots be happy with that? I hope everyone who starts these stupid threads gets run over by a steamroller.
Otis P Jivefunk

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #13 on: 07-19-2004 13:46 »

I wrote a letter to Fox over 2 years ago, around February/March 2002 when the show was first put on hiatus. After that, I signed a petition later in the year. Then about a year ago it was officially cancelled, so fuck em'...
kiffan

Bending Unit
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« Reply #14 on: 07-19-2004 14:04 »

take some prozac thelampincident!  If the rest of us want to dream, let us, ok?  last time I checked there is no law forbiding hope, so just f*** off!  mad
Zoidberg227

Space Pope
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« Reply #15 on: 07-19-2004 15:25 »

Listen up, Lampy.  All we have working for us right now is a little hope and two Emmy nominations.  Why do you have to constantly try and crush our spirit?  Is FOX paying you off, or something?  No, we may never get Futurama back.  But does it hurt to try everything we can?  NO!  And if you really hate these threads, why do you bother to come in to them in the first place?  Nobody's forcing you to read them.  You don't even have to be here on PEEL at all.  But you are, so you must be enjoying some of the discussion on here.  Did you think that maybe, just maybe, we enjoy these ones? 

Just lay off... bang some walls in the angry dome if you have to, but don't take it out on us, and don't wish death upon us, especially my friends. 

And for the record... I'm happy about getting four seasons, but I'd be happier if we got more.  'Nuff said.
TheLampIncident

Urban Legend
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« Reply #16 on: 07-19-2004 16:04 »

According to Matt Groening, almost everyone at FOX hated Futurama. Nobody would even give it a chance when it was on the air. The show was put on hiatus in 2002. They aired the last episode in 2003, and have shown no signs of wanting more. A petition was signed with over 150,000 people(I'm not sure if I signed the Futurama or Family Guy one, I can't remember) and FOX simply ignored it. I'm sure they're irritated getting this kind of mail over a show none of them even liked in the first place. And sending them anchovies wouldn't be a good idea, because basically, you're feeding them. Why would you give food to people you hate? Not to mention I'm sure you won't get over 150,000 people to sign a new petition, seeing as most of the people who signed the first one have lost all hope at this point. Adult Swim has attracted some new fans, but not nearly enough to get you a solid petition. The odds are so stacked against you guys, and yet you keep fighting. Be happy with the memories we have of the show. Yes it was a great show and no I don't like that it was put to rest, but in all fairness, there's nothing we can do. FOX is finding this stuff easier to ignore and we just keep getting frustrated. It's like their network is feeding off our anger with all the promotions you're giving it by speaking up against it so much. If you get angry, they win. It wasn't doing well in the ratings, and it's doing fine now on Adult Swim. Not to mention there's still the comics you guys can read if you want your fix. Trust me, I think I know what I'm talking about.
Zoidberg227

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« Reply #17 on: 07-19-2004 16:24 »

We all know all of that.  Part of our drive comes from the fact that Family Guy got recomissioned after an even longer hiatus than Futurama.  You'll recall FOX didn't like that show either (why else would they have moved it around to different timeslots, like they did with Futurama?), yet it's in production as we speak. 

AFF is just to let FOX know there are still some people out there who care, and that the show's fanbase is growing.  We may be angry, but we aren't going to express it to them.  The whole anchovie bit is to show that we care enough to make an actual specific episode reference (I'm sure someone will get it, even if it's just the mailroom boy).  The point of the letters is to let Gail Berman, the woman who set the gears in motion to get Family Guy back, that we still care, and there is a growing fanbase.  We have absolutely no intent to show hatred or anger in those letters; they are supposed to be professional and polite, and NOT speaking out against FOX or its programming.

Gail made it one of her first orders of business to get FG recomissioned, so if we can get her on our side, we might have a chance.  The anchovies, by the way, aren't to be sent to her, they are just going to the general FOX address, not mailed to anyone in particular. 

If you don't like AFF, and think it's a waste of time, then fine.  But please, don't drag it down and discourage others.  The power of hope can do amazing things, but if people lose it, it's useless.
leelaholic

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« Reply #18 on: 07-19-2004 16:27 »
« Last Edit on: 07-19-2004 16:27 »

 
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Originally posted by TheLampIncident:
And sending them anchovies wouldn't be a good idea, because basically, you're feeding them. Why would you give food to people you hate?
I've never tried anchovies, but if they taste half as bad as they smell, they must smell twice as bad as they taste! I doubt that FOX would eat them, since there are rare few people who actually like those oily things. I know it won't get Futurama back, but at least it shows that we still care.
TheLampIncident

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« Reply #19 on: 07-19-2004 16:39 »

Point and counterpoint:

1) I don't think you should use anchovies as a reference, because it's a little too obsecure. It was mentioned in one episode. You should use an ongoing joke, maybe send some scrap metal(for Bender's shiny metal ass) or you could steal all the boots from that new war memorial in DC and send them.

2) What does the woman who got Family Guy back have anything to do with Futurama? Just because she's a Family Guy fan doesn't mean she's a Futurama fan. Not to mention Family Guy has a much larger fanbase, and consistently gets better ratings on Adult Swim than Futurama.

3) If you want your letters to look professional, you should look for some more highbrow people. Some of the people on this board can hardly type their name. You seem intelligent enough to know what's what, but I don't think most of the people here would be able to resist the temptation to bash FOX over and over again in its letters. Most of the fans who are smart enough have rightfully given up hope, and you can find them in Offtopic.

Good day.
Zoidberg227

Space Pope
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« Reply #20 on: 07-19-2004 17:12 »

And the rebuttal (not that I should have to be doing this):

1. Scrap metal makes less sense than anchovies.  Boots don't make much sense either (I'm assuming that's a reference to Leela, but a print of the cyclops from Homer's Odessey would make more sense.  Besides, stealing from a war memorial wouldn't exactly be a good way to win support.  Anyhow, who said we were gonna stop at anchovies?

2. She got Family Guy back.  It has everything to do with that.  Just because you say so doesn't mean she's not a fan of Futurama.  Besides, she's not necessarily going to put a show on just because she likes it.  She's going to make a business decision based on what might make money.  One of our goals is to show that, if given a chance, Futurama can make FOX lots of money.

3. Message boards are really all we've got to get the word out there ... we don't have a lot of resources.  We're confident there are a lot more intelligent people out there than what appears to the eye, they just aren't letting it show in their posts (laziness, I'll bet).  But, tell 'em to write something properly, especially for something they might have a passion for, and they'll shine.  And since when is it right to give up hope, even when it seems all is lost?  If you give up hope, you become bitter and resentful towards everyone who hasn't (I can tell someone here has experience with that).

4. It was, then this thread took a little turn.

One last thing... Mallzie, you're awesome.  Never stop being cool, and never lose hope!
Teral

Helpy McHelphelp
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« Reply #21 on: 07-19-2004 17:43 »
« Last Edit on: 07-19-2004 17:43 »

Wrote an intelligent, well reasoned letter to FOX back in February 2002, they both came back 3 weeks later, unopened.

As for Gail Berman, she was president of FOX when the hiatus were announced and she was president of FOX when the show was effectively (but not officially) cancelled, so don't bet on her as particular open to a renewal. It would mean admitting FOX made a mistake (or at least some FOX employee made a mistake) under her leadership, and the only thing that would make big-egoed executives admit a mistake is the prospect of profit.
germanfryfan

The Listmaker
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« Reply #22 on: 07-19-2004 18:04 »

 
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Originally posted by j_ohanley:
 Yes, but eventually, if there's a lot of cans, the big wigs will have to take notice:
 
 
The big guys won't even see them, nor will they ever know about them!
 
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Secretary: Sir, there's something weird happening. I've been getting dozens of cans of anchovies. That's right, I said anchovies. Well yeah sure, I'll look into it. Yes, I said anchovies.

Later...

Secretary: What the hell is Futurama?

...Secretary's boss: It's some show that sucked and we threw into the trash can. So throw these anchovies away, too!
 
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Someone should tip off the media about this. That'll put the icing on the cake.

Reporter: Crazed fans bombarding the Fox Headquarters with cans of anchovies to protest a  long cancelled science fiction cartoon? It's bizarre! It's insane! It's news!
I think, as long as no one is dying, or does some crazy attacks with lots of weapons on Rupert Murdoch, it'll be realy boring for the press.
 
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A petition with 300,000+ signatures didn't budge 'em, I think we can safely say that AFF is the next best thing.    smile
300,000+  confused Where? An Internet-petition? The biggest I've seen has less than 10,000 (Zeep's only got about 3600, and he has given up hope two month ago).

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Originally posted by TheLampIncident:
Point and counterpoint:

1) I don't think you should use anchovies as a reference, because it's a little too obsecure. It was mentioned in one episode. You should use an ongoing joke, maybe send some scrap metal(for Bender's shiny metal ass) or you could steal all the boots from that new war memorial in DC and send them.

2) What does the woman who got Family Guy back have anything to do with Futurama? Just because she's a Family Guy fan doesn't mean she's a Futurama fan. Not to mention Family Guy has a much larger fanbase, and consistently gets better ratings on Adult Swim than Futurama.

3) If you want your letters to look professional, you should look for some more highbrow people. Some of the people on this board can hardly type their name. You seem intelligent enough to know what's what, but I don't think most of the people here would be able to resist the temptation to bash FOX over and over again in its letters. Most of the fans who are smart enough have rightfully given up hope, and you can find them in Offtopic.

Good day.
I agree to everything this man said!

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Originally posted by Zoidberg227:
And the rebuttal (not that I should have to be doing this):

1. Scrap metal makes less sense than anchovies.  Boots don't make much sense either (I'm assuming that's a reference to Leela, but a print of the cyclops from Homer's Odessey would make more sense.  Besides, stealing from a war memorial wouldn't exactly be a good way to win support.  Anyhow, who said we were gonna stop at anchovies?
There is no thing that can be referenced to be a Futurama item. It's not like Homer and Duff, or Donuts.
 
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2. She got Family Guy back.  It has everything to do with that.  Just because you say so doesn't mean she's not a fan of Futurama.  Besides, she's not necessarily going to put a show on just because she likes it.  She's going to make a business decision based on what might make money.  One of our goals is to show that, if given a chance, Futurama can make FOX lots of money.
That she likes Family Guy doesn't imply that she likes Futurama. Logic doesn't work that way!
Family Guy has a totaly different show concept as Futurama. Futurama mainly is known for "educated" jokes, many have sientific backgrounds, while Family Guy uses "cheap" jokes about everything and throws them as the audience every second of the show. You may say that Family Guy is funnier, but these jokes have a lot less quality than Futurama ones.

On the money side:

You have to spend money before you can get some!
I doubt that they will spend only one dollar on a show they hated and cancelled last year.
Just some thoughts:

As far as I know one episode costs about 2.5 Mio $. A season has, lets say, 18 episodes, that makes 45 Mio $ per season. Now you have the show, but still no time slot to show it, no advertisement, no merchandising, not even a cover for the DVD set. I think a complete season will cost about 50-60 Mio US$ and they have to spend it before they can make money with it! Futurama is that expensive because of its 3d animation and CGI-stuff. Family Guy was much cheaper (about 500,000 - 1,500,000 US$).
 
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3. Message boards are really all we've got to get the word out there ... we don't have a lot of resources.  We're confident there are a lot more intelligent people out there than what appears to the eye, they just aren't letting it show in their posts (laziness, I'll bet).  But, tell 'em to write something properly, especially for something they might have a passion for, and they'll shine.  And since when is it right to give up hope, even when it seems all is lost?  If you give up hope, you become bitter and resentful towards everyone who hasn't (I can tell someone here has experience with that).
I don't give up hope, but I have, as many others here at PEEL, agreed on the point that the small guy is powerless against a multi-billionaire network like FOX. Don't throw lines like "Power to the people" or "everyone counts" at me, this isn't Communism, money is what counts today!
Scifly

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« Reply #23 on: 07-19-2004 18:38 »

God what a bunch of no hopers.  I honestly think you people are hired by fox to try and discourage this sort of thing. 

All I have to say for the moment is, do it anyway.  What have you got to lose?  A can of anchovies?  Or an envelope for a letter? Who cares if it works or not just do it. 
SlaytanicMaggot
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« Reply #24 on: 07-19-2004 19:03 »
« Last Edit on: 07-19-2004 19:03 »

 
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I don't give up hope, but I have, as many others here at PEEL, agreed on the point that the small guy is powerless against a multi-billionaire network like FOX. Don't throw lines like "Power to the people" or "everyone counts" at me, this isn't Communism,money is what counts today!

Well, why don't we contact possible financiers and bug the hell out of them? It worked when the Farscape fans did it...

or why don't we just all pitch in 5 bucks and send it in a bag to Rupert Murdoch's desk with a piece of paper taped onto it reading:
"Bring back Futurama!-All of its fans from around the world"?

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ouch

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« Reply #25 on: 07-19-2004 19:13 »

And who might these possible financers be?
Zoidberg227

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« Reply #26 on: 07-19-2004 20:51 »
« Last Edit on: 07-19-2004 20:51 »

 
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Originally posted by germanfryfan:

There is no thing that can be referenced to be a Futurama item. It's not like Homer and Duff, or Donuts.
Glagnar's Human Rinds. Thompson's Teeth. Soylent Chow. Mom's Old Fashioned Robot Oil. Olde Fortran Malt Liquor.  LoeBrau (it's got dots!). Stop 'N Drop. Pabst Blue Robot. Killbots. Kibbles 'N Ham. Admiral Crunch. Archduke Chocula. Femzoil. Mobil Dick fuel products. Charlseton Chew (real life reference!). Molten Boron. Robo-Rooter. Arachno Spores. Did I miss any? I know they're not as commonly seen as Duff, but they're Futurama-specific (with the exception of Charlseton Chew).
   
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That she likes Family Guy doesn't imply that she likes Futurama. Logic doesn't work that way!
Family Guy has a totaly different show concept as Futurama. Futurama mainly is known for "educated" jokes, many have sientific backgrounds, while Family Guy uses "cheap" jokes about everything and throws them as the audience every second of the show. You may say that Family Guy is funnier, but these jokes have a lot less quality than Futurama ones.
I never said that she was a fan of Futurama because she was a fan of Family Guy, I only said that the fact that she liked Family Guy didn't mean she doesn't like Futurama, I just worded it goofy.  I say the same thing about FG, though... it may make me laugh a little more, but the jokes are to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

 
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On the money side:

You have to spend money before you can get some!
I doubt that they will spend only one dollar on a show they hated and cancelled last year.
Just some thoughts:

As far as I know one episode costs about 2.5 Mio $. A season has, lets say, 18 episodes, that makes 45 Mio $ per season. Now you have the show, but still no time slot to show it, no advertisement, no merchandising, not even a cover for the DVD set. I think a complete season will cost about 50-60 Mio US$ and they have to spend it before they can make money with it! Futurama is that expensive because of its 3d animation and CGI-stuff. Family Guy was much cheaper (about 500,000 - 1,500,000 US$).

I have come to the understanding that Futurama cost in the $1,000,000 - $1,500,000 range; not much more expensive than Family Guy.  And I seriously doubt that a FG episode could be produced for only a half a million. 

As for a timeslot, well, that's something that they'd have to work out.  The perfect slot would be right after the Simpsons (where it was doing quite well until they moved it).  There's a few things they could drop or move to another night, and the Simpsons doesn't have much time left in it, so that leaves that slot open for an adequate replacement (which is definitely not Family Guy). 

Now for the advertising part... if new episodes were comissioned today, they'd have at least a year, and probably more, to start playing the series from the beginning and advertising new episodes. 

Now, what do you mean, "No DVD cover"?  each of my first three season DVDs have different covers, and I have seen a picture of the season 4 cover.  I don't see how that's an issue now ... they wouldn't need a DVD cover until they are ready to release the DVDs.  As for merchandising, well, ease Futurama products back into the market as the show is eased back onto prime time television.  It's not that hard a concept.

 
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I don't give up hope, but I have, as many others here at PEEL, agreed on the point that the small guy is powerless against a multi-billionaire network like FOX. Don't throw lines like "Power to the people" or "everyone counts" at me, this isn't Communism, money is what counts today!

Since when does it hurt to try to sway the minds of the bigwigs?  I don't have anything to lose but a few measly dollars.  Besides, your logic is faulty ... if enough people come together and protest something, the little guy can overcome the big guy.  I agree that campaigning has almost no chance of working, but if we don't, then it won't work. 

The following is dedicated to all you naysayers:

"The probability that we may fail in struggle ought not deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just." - Abraham Lincoln

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try." - Beverly Sills

"The saddest failures in life are those that come from not putting forth the power and will to succeed." - Edwin Percey Welles

"Defeat is not the worst of failures.  Not to have tried is the true failure." - George E. Woodberry

"No one can defeat us unless we first defeat ourselves." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

Get my point?  We only fail if we don't try.
spacepilot3000

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« Reply #27 on: 07-19-2004 20:51 »
« Last Edit on: 07-19-2004 20:51 »

I have an Idea.

We shall send wave after wave of Futurama fans and raid FOX studios. Take Rupert Murdoch hostage and demand to bring Futurama back OR ELSE!

Ps. What the hell is AFF?
Scifly

Bending Unit
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« Reply #28 on: 07-19-2004 21:08 »

AFF is Anchovies For Fry, or is it Futurama, whatever.

Zoidberg227 is pretty on the ball.  If I wasn't in support of AFF before I certainly would be after his little speech.
Zoidberg227

Space Pope
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« Reply #29 on: 07-19-2004 21:20 »

AFF stands for "Anchovies for Fry".  Go to the "Tabasco Sauce of Futurama" thread to read more about it.  We get close to where we stand today on page five, so read the first few posts and then you can probably skip to page 5, if you want.
germanfryfan

The Listmaker
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« Reply #30 on: 07-19-2004 21:35 »
« Last Edit on: 07-19-2004 21:35 »

I knew it, and nice that you checked out Ordinary persons can win.

Abraham Lincoln *1809 - †1865
Beverly Sills *1912 -
Dwight D. Eisenhower *1890 - †1969
George E. Woodberry *1866 - †1956

All are dead or at least in the age thy could die!
I also think that Edwin Percey Welles is in tha age, since he got no I-net appearence, only this quote.
They haven't experienced the time when when mangagers earn about 200 times as much as the normal people and that the TV buisness (If they even knew what TV is since the Braun's tube was invented in 1897) got ill of money.

Now I come with an actual quote:

"Failure should be our teacher, not our undertaker. Failure is delay, not defeat. It is a temporary detour, not a dead end. Failure is something we can avoid only by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing." - Denis Waitly

My teacher learned me that many people have send letters and failed! I won't send leters and probably won't fail (not for sure). Also I learned that doing the same thing more than once makes the failure even bigger. And since failures are delays, I gave up on making these.   tongue
ouch

Delivery Boy
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« Reply #31 on: 07-19-2004 21:40 »

"Kids, you tried your best, and failed miserably...The lesson is, never try." -- Homer Simpson (lol)
Zoidberg227

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« Reply #32 on: 07-19-2004 21:58 »

Nice try, gff ... got the quotes from a different site.  tongue And just because the people I quoted are either dead or uber-old doesn't mean their points are any less valid.

My point, though, is that you can only succeed by risking failure, and thus failure should not frighten you away from trying to succeed.  Not trying is indeed failure, or at least just as bad - if you haven't succeeded, then you have failed.  But by trying, have you not at least the personal success of trying in the first place?  The plan may fail, but at least you gave it your best.

I guess what I've been trying to say all along is: keep negative thoughts to yourself.  All they do is drag the rest of us down, and hurt our cause (after all, we're depending on people; we don't want to see someone sitting on the fence about it be swayed onto the side that says "no" ).
germanfryfan

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« Reply #33 on: 07-19-2004 22:28 »

The problem with that is that I didn't start the arguement between us. Mallzie wanted to know our thoughts about it and I posted mine.

And it seems that everyone here that thinks that letters or anchovies don't do anything gets attacked by you.

TheLampIncident stopped argueing, so will I. Not because I agree with you, but because of a rather old, not only German, saying :

Der Klügere gibt nach, der Dümmere mach weiter
(the wise man stops, the stupid goes on)
you also may know it like :
discretion is the better part of valour

 
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Good day.


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« Reply #34 on: 07-19-2004 23:23 »
« Last Edit on: 07-19-2004 23:23 »

...Wow...
As with any thread, this was intended to be a free exchange of ideas and opinions...and it makes me REALLY happy that many of you have managed to construct such eloquent, well thought out and above all passionate arguments concerning the efforts to revive the program that has touched us all. That was great, though I would like to hear about some more awareness/revival efforts. I believe in the Tabasco Sauce thread someone had mailed a sock to fox, has anyone done something just as trippy?

Oh, I can't forget to acknowledge the general  sw'awsomeness of Zoidberg227, You are truely great, it seems like you make every trip to the boards filled with smiles!
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« Reply #35 on: 07-20-2004 00:20 »

 
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Originally posted by germanfryfan:


TheLampIncident stopped argueing, so will I. Not because I agree with you, but because of a rather old, not only German, saying :

Der Klügere gibt nach, der Dümmere mach weiter
(the wise man stops, the stupid goes on)
you also may know it like :
discretion is the better part of valour

 


Read my signature

ps. this is not an attack on you gff

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IndieRocker J

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« Reply #36 on: 07-20-2004 00:34 »

  I think that AFF is a great idea. I am quite upset with so called "Futurama Fans" that dont have hope. I think the return is inevitble. Futurama was a show that offered us an escape from reality. All of us fans are happy there are 4 seasons but things would be really great if it returned to production. There is nothing like seeing a Futurama episode for the first time.
  Gail Berman isnt a fan of Family Guy. It wouldnt have gone off air if she was a fan. She sees the eps before everyone else so its not like she would become a fan just because everyone else is. If Fox wont sell the rights to Futurama then something is up. Fox makes plenty of money off The Simpsons and King of The Hill. Why would they keep the rights if they hate the show so much. I am pretty sure that something is going to happen with Futurama. Fox cant ignore us fans forever.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #37 on: 07-20-2004 00:38 »

 
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Originally posted by germanfryfan:


TheLampIncident stopped argueing, so will I. Not because I agree with you, but because of a rather old, not only German, saying :

Der Klügere gibt nach, der Dümmere mach weiter
(the wise man stops, the stupid goes on)
you also may know it like :
discretion is the better part of valour


Nice saying GFF. Thats exactly why I've stopped being a HUGE antagonist with Lamp.

Good on it mate  smile

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« Reply #38 on: 07-20-2004 00:55 »

I didn't stop arguing, I just went to work. But I can't believe you guys are STILL going on about this. There are people with far more respect than both of you(Scifly and Zoidberg227) arguing against it. And Zoidberg, I think you made a pretty bold move saying I ALWAYS reign on your parade considering you haven't even been here two weeks. You have to be here at least a couple months before you can insult me, I think.
Scifly

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« Reply #39 on: 07-20-2004 01:17 »

Lampy I don't come here for respect I come here to be heard.  Its hard to believe anyone respects you when you don't show any yourself and by the way that is intended to offend you.
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