"The Sting" Nominated for an Emmy

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I don't have seen the opponents but I think that there is a good chance that Futurama will win.
The Sting possibly is the best choice, since it is one of the best episodes of the last season.
Beginning with jokes going over to a dramatical plot with lots of emotions and ending with jokes again ("you really could use a shower" - "you too" ).

So here is hoping:

[Reply #41 on:]

I did see most of it (Don't know about the Birth Of Evil one, since they often give the chapters as Episode 46 or something), but, I didn't see the South Park one, since I don't have Comedy Central on my cable. I hope TSting or the Simpsons one will win it.

As for the opera one, as least it'll win unless the Simpsons one will win it also.

[Reply #42 on:]

I think The Sting has a good chance... the dark humour, crossed with the shippiness and trippiness of the episode is really different from all the other stuff there. It's a stand-out episode, that's for sure. Although, for the record, I haven't actually seen any of the other stuff being nominated except for It's Christmas Time In Canada, which has no chance in hell of winning... why didn't they nominate Raisins? That's easily the best South Park episode from last year.

Anyway, long story short - go Futurama!

[Reply #43 on:]

 

Originally posted by DotheBartman:
 A lot of people still consider it a good show, and even one of the best on tv, so its not just getting nominated for existing.  That might be true with some shows, but the general consensus with the public is that The Simpsons hasn't jumped the shark, and even if it has, its still one of the best shows around.

I didn't say the show was routinely bad; I just think that most of the nominators got the tape, saw "Simpsons" on it, and nominated it without watching it, on the strength of the name alone.  This particular episode does not deserve an Emmy nomination on its own merits alone.

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Originally posted by canned eggs:
 
I didn't say the show was routinely bad; I just think that most of the nominators got the tape, saw "Simpsons" on it, and nominated it without watching it, on the strength of the name alone.

And I'm afraid some may do that for the final voting.

I know quite a bit about awards, and predictions and all that stuff, but I really can't predict the results of this awards. But I do know something, I'll be very surprised if Futurama wins one of these awards. Also, The Sting has more chance of a win that Jurassic Park had. At least The Sting has a WGA nom and that raises its possibilities.

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Originally posted by canned eggs:
 
I didn't say the show was routinely bad; I just think that most of the nominators got the tape, saw "Simpsons" on it, and nominated it without watching it, on the strength of the name alone.  This particular episode does not deserve an Emmy nomination on its own merits alone.

Well, I think it does, and I'm far from alone...but the episode's quality aside, these judges could very well have seen the "Simpsons" name on the tape and nominated it because they like the show and know it will (in their eyes) be quality anyway.  Its a good point that many shows are probably nominated mainly on name, but I don't think its fair to assume that The Simpsons is getting nominted only for existing.  If almost the entire public thought the show had slipped, then that could happen, but currently most people (including probably a lot of those judges) consider it to be still good, if not better then ever.

[Reply #46 on:]

Whenever I've watched the Emmys I never see animated shows? why is this? do they not televise it?

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Originally posted by Mr. Potter:
 And I'm afraid some may do that for the final voting.

Isn't that what happened last year in this same category?

Honestly, I can't really complain about this year's picks.  The only one of the five I've seen is "The Sting," so that's the only one I can judge properly.  Yes, a life-long Simpsons fan missed "The Way We Weren't." And I have no real desire to see it, but I can imagine what it's like. Tough.  If Futurama loses this year, well, that'll be a crying shame.

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Haven't seen "The Way We Weren't" so I can't comment on that.  However, I have to say that "Three Gays of the Condo" was a pretty good Simpsons, and I dislike Jurassic Bark just because the ending is so darn depressing.

I didn't know what Simpsons episode RTEW was up against.  Very interesting.  "She of Little Faith" was highly overrated, if it's the one I'm thinking of.  Where Lisa decides she's a Buddhist, right?

[Reply #49 on:]

Apostasy!  Jurassic Bark may not be everyone's cup of tea, but everyone must admit that it was expertly conceived and wholly successful in its ambition.  Its ambition may have been depressing, but that's art.

Three Gays of the Condo was so bad I felt physically ill.  It was a fifth-rate ripoff of an episode the Simpsons had already done, and already won an Emmy for (I think).  Their original gay episode, with John Waters, was awesome.  Three Gays of the Condo was utter shit from beginning to end.  It just wasn't funny, and had less than zero success dealing with its "serious" issues.  I am continually appalled that it won.

So I'm worried the same thing will happen again in the voting, and the Simpsons will win because retard voters see the name "Simpsons" and don't realize other candidates are far more deserving.

[Reply #50 on:]

How exactly do things get voted on for the Emmies?

[Reply #51 on:]

In my opinion, She of Little Faith kicks the crap out of The Way We Weren't, and Roswell was only better then the Sting by a small margin. So, assuming the judges feel the same way I do, a win may not be out of the question.

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Originally posted by Alliteration:
How exactly do things get voted on for the Emmies?

I think that it usually works the way that canned eggs said: retarded voters see a name that they recognize and don't realize that other candidates are far more deserving.

[Reply #53 on:]

Besides Nasty Pasty I must say The Sting is the best fu**ing episode in the whole wide world!

GO FUTURAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO THE STING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Takes short off and runs around the campus like a jackass*. 

[Reply #54 on:]

Well I think it is overrated [the simpsons]. more and more i am getting tired of it.  I think I'd agree with Eggs.  Hopefully The Sting will can it and others.

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Originally posted by canned eggs:
Apostasy!  Jurassic Bark may not be everyone's cup of tea, but everyone must admit that it was expertly conceived and wholly successful in its ambition.  Its ambition may have been depressing, but that's art.

Three Gays of the Condo was so bad I felt physically ill.  It was a fifth-rate ripoff of an episode the Simpsons had already done, and already won an Emmy for (I think).  Their original gay episode, with John Waters, was awesome.  Three Gays of the Condo was utter shit from beginning to end.  It just wasn't funny, and had less than zero success dealing with its "serious" issues.  I am continually appalled that it won.

If "Three Gays" is a third-rate rip off then "Jurassic Bark" must be shit since its even more similar to "Luck of the Fryrish" (and I do NOT really mean that by the way.  "Jurassic Bark" is my favorite episode).  "Three Gays..." is hardly a rip off of "Homer's Phobia".  It utizilizes a gay theme, yes, but its still completely different.  "Homer's Phobia" is a satire of homophobia about Homer trying to "protect" Bart from homosexuality.  "Three Gays..." is a Homer/Marge relationship story with a twist, and the gay theme simply provides an amusing backdrop.  Now I'll give it that "Three Gays" may have won some votes for "tolerance" issues or whatever, but the episodes themselves are far different from each other.

With that said it was a huge disapointment that The Simpsons won that one.  "Jurassic Bark" is, as I said, my favorite episode.  My personal all-time favorite episode of Futurama vs. an episode of The Simpsons that I liked just enough to warrant a "B+"....even though my opinion of the Simpsons episode is certainly positive, that's still a pretty huge disapointment.  But I wish people would stop lobbing these unfair allegations towards "Three Gays of the Condo" just for the sake of saying that Futurama should have won instead.  There are plenty of perfectly good reasons one could state about why "Jurassic Bark" was better that don't involve tired "OMG its just liek skully lol" arguments.

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I didn't say it sucked because it was a ripoff.  I think it's a ripoff, but it sucked because it sucked.  I just really didn't like it.  Everyone was out of character, the one off characters were awful, none of the jokes were funny, and the approach to the "serious issues" of a: gays and b: Homer and Marge's relationship was just plain bad.  I would get mad just thinking about that episode before it won an Emmy Futurama deserved.

[Reply #57 on:]

Well I went off on that because I haven't yet seen a negative critique of "Three Gays" that doesn't somehow incite that its a "rip off" (which as illistrated is not the case, unless anything involving gay themes are inheritely rip offs and show can only do an episode with a gay theme once).  And its fine to say that you thought it was "out of character" or "handled badly" or whatever I guess, but I haven't yet seen such a critique where they actually explain these allegations (and often they just cut back to the "rip off" allegation to distract from the fact that they don't have any real critiques at all).  To me it just seems like a bunch of misplaced anger toward an episode because it happened to beat Futurama.  Hate that the academy passed on a brilliant Futurama episode.  Don't hate the Simpsons episode that beat it simply because Futurama is your preference.

Also, it should be brought up that "Jurassic Bark" tends to be love-it or hate-it, at least in terms of the ending.  I'm certainly in the former, and felt it was very moving, but I could see some judges feeling that it was too despressing an ending and thus not feeling up to voting for it.  A lighter and somewhat sillier "Simpsons" character story where a dog doesn't waste away before the audience on screen may have just been preferable to them, which I think is fairly reasonable even if I don't agree with it personally.

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Originally posted by KAH:
Whenever I've watched the Emmys I never see animated shows? why is this? do they not televise it?

There are two ceremonies. One for the "important" awards and another for the technical awards, variety shows, animated series, etc. The latter is not shown live, but usually the E! Channel shows a summarized version of the event some hours later.  The "important" ceremony is the day after.

[Reply #59 on:]

That's so lame, I mean yeah I guess I dont want to watch the Powerpuff Girls crew get up there and weep but adult sit-comish animated shows are a different thing.

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Well even kids' television should be part of the "important" ceremony IMO (although incidentally "Powerpuff Girls" is often more sophisticated then one might think).  They're part of television and they should be aknowledged just like everyone else.

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I didn't mean to knock Powerpuff Girls but I dont think they should be judged alongside animation geared for adults that have complex storytelling and sit-com style writing.

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Okay.  Yeah, I do agree with that.  Frankly I think the animated shows should be able to compete in the sitcom arena without the word "animated" attached to it (I guess you probably agree with that too).  Actually technically they can, and King of the Hill gunned for that this year (apparently not because they thought they'd even get nominated, but just to make it more "acceptable" for an animated show to be submitted in that category).  But I think they should actually be the nominees.  I mean what decent live action sitcoms have there even been lately?  Futurama, The Simpsons, South Park, and Home Movies all are more deserving then "Friends".

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That's probably why a separate category was created for animated shows: to spare live-action shows the "embarrassment" of losing an award to a cartoon.

[Reply #64 on:]

True but everyone loves friends because it takes no thought to watch and is very shippy. What I find interesting is that the judges just vote for their favorite show every year, how else can you explain Everybody Loves Raymond winning every year? It's a nice show but come on! This explains why The Simpsons always wins.

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For the record, Simpsons also tried for "best comedy" instead of "animated show" back in seasons four and five, and weren't nominated.  Hence, they went back to the animation category in season six and won another emmy.

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Its difficult to know how the judges will go, at the WGA awards the sting was up against 3 Simpsons episodes among a couple of other shows. and they gave it to the worst Simpsons episode of the 3.

anyway here's an intresting quote from Roger Myers III A NHC member with insane amounts of inside infomation. regarding the possible outcome.
 

I'm not in the award prediction biz, but I'd guess that:

"The Sting" might take the ep emmy, b/c writer Verrone is a beloved bigwig in the Writers' Guild, which gets him a lot of votes;

"The violence stops" in song, b/c Childs is a rock 'star' who speaks out against abuse, and the song is a sympathetic message;

"24" for score, b/c its music has been particularly praised (and Copeland's won too many times before.)

This is politics, btw - not who I think is 'deserving'.

[Reply #67 on:]

I dont care if Futurama wins because they're the best at giving b**wj**s, as long as they win.

[Reply #68 on:]

Go. Futurama.  thats my vote. period.. .

[Reply #69 on:]

I just don't think that particular episode of the Simpsons was Emmy worthy.  I don't watch much Samurai Jack, but the animation is very good.  The Sting is a fantastic ep, touching without being overly sappy.  Not to mention very romantic.  GO FUTURAMA!!!!!

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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
I mean what decent live action sitcoms have there even been lately?

Scrubs.  Which, ironically enough, has also constantly been snubbed.

Arrested Development is also quite good, and was rightfully nominated.

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Originally posted by canned eggs:
The Way We Weren't wasn't that good.  The Simpsons is essentially just getting nominated for showing up nowadays.

I hope "The Sting" wins in all but "The Way We Weren't" was a good episode too. I don't believe that The Simpsons are just getting nominated because of the name alone. Sure... the originality has died down because it's be on for a long time but that doesn't mean they don't  still make good episodes. Also without The Simpsons we might not have Futurama and other animated shows on Primetime Television. But "The Sting" is a way better episode and I hope it wins.

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Originally posted by Wesley:
 Scrubs.  Which, ironically enough, has also constantly been snubbed

Very true, but at least "My Screwup" got deservedly nominated for Best Screenplay.

 

[Reply #73 on:]

The Simpsons just isnt as good as it used to be. Either the crew has gotten tired of doing it or they have run out of ideas. The jokes are really not funny and the plots are too stretched.

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Originally posted by Wesley:
 

Originally posted by DotheBartman:
I mean what decent live action sitcoms have there even been lately?

Scrubs.  Which, ironically enough, has also constantly been snubbed.

Arrested Development is also quite good, and was rightfully nominated.

To be fair I haven't seen either.  I pretty much officially gave up on live action comedy after "Andy Richter Controls the Universe" got cancelled.  And when Futurama went off, I officially stopped watching anything other then The Simpsons on Fox, and won't watch anything else on that network.

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Originally posted by IndieRocker J:
The Simpsons just isnt as good as it used to be. Either the crew has gotten tired of doing it or they have run out of ideas. The jokes are really not funny and the plots are too stretched.

I think that, after 15 years, a decline in quality should be expected. Sure, the show isn't as great as it once was (although this past season ranks right up there with seasons 1-8 in my opinion), but it is still the best show on network TV. And the whole "they're out of ideas" theory is definitely debatable. Granted, the writers have to think more when it comes to formulating an episode's premise, but they still have lots of fresh ideas. I agree to an extent that the show isn't as funny as it used to be, simply because really funny jokes are few and far between. But, throughout the course of a new episode, there are enough great gags to make watching it worthwhile. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, although the show isn't as great as it once was, it still has enough life in it to warrant emmy noms and its large fanbase.

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Originally posted by Mr. Potter:
  Very true, but at least "My Screwup" got deservedly nominated for Best Screenplay.

Yeah, better than nothing.  If it doesn't win, it would be robbery, though.  I would seriously consider "My Screwup" to be some of the best television I've seen in years.

If any of you have not seen this episode, I urge you to watch it any way you can ASAP.


 

Originally posted by DotheBartman:
 To be fair I haven't seen either.  I pretty much officially gave up on live action comedy after "Andy Richter Controls the Universe" got cancelled.  And when Futurama went off, I officially stopped watching anything other then The Simpsons on Fox, and won't watch anything else on that network.

Fair enough, though Scrubs is on NBC, so it's fair game, no?

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Originally posted by Wesley:
  Fair enough, though Scrubs is on NBC, so it's fair game, no?

Well, more or less.  Again I basically gave up on live action comedy in general too.  But I might give Scrubs a shot, and even "Arrested Development" too if they can convince me it won't get suddenly cancelled.

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Well, Fox renewed it for another full season despite the show finishing something like 75th in ratings last season.  Plus they are giving it the 8:30 slot after The Simpsons, so I think they really want to stick with it and give it a chance to build an audience.

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Originally posted by Wesley:
Well, Fox renewed it for another full season despite the show finishing something like 75th in ratings last season.  Plus they are giving it the 8:30 slot after The Simpsons, so I think they really want to stick with it and give it a chance to build an audience.

Thank God. This is the most brilliant live-action show in years; it can't die!

Oh yeah, and DotheBartman, that's basically my attitude towards network TV; it's awful. I pretty much gave up on live-action, until I caught a glimpse of Arrested Development. I really recommend that you watch it.