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Odelay3547

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« Reply #40 on: 06-08-2004 22:38 »

You LIE!! you liE LIKE a DOG!
Gwan101

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« Reply #41 on: 07-07-2004 22:30 »

Honestly, I would like one or two more seasons. I also think that the show was in its prime when it was cancelled.
Scifly

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« Reply #42 on: 07-07-2004 23:03 »

I wasn't satisfied with the last episode of Futurama, it didn't provide me with any real closure.  I'm hoplessly addicted to this show and every time I come to the last episode it frustrates me to no end.  Its gotten to a point where I can't bring myself to watch that episode anymore.

At least one more season would have been great. 
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #43 on: 07-08-2004 01:16 »

i thought the last episode was a great episode. It brought back the Robot Devil, was funny, emotional, and gave some closure to the whole Fry and Leela storyline. It might not have been perfect, but if Futurama ended up never comming back, I would still be happy that it ended on a nice note.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #44 on: 07-08-2004 06:03 »

I hate all these berks whining about how little closure the last episode offered. They're the kind of people who wish that the rest of their life was like the beginning of a blossoming relationship only, whereby none of the complications and dilemmas of long-term relationships have a chance to come into play and everytime they kiss it's like magic. Get a grip.  roll eyes
ouch

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« Reply #45 on: 07-08-2004 06:44 »

actually, having the series end with fry and leela still "blossoming" due to lack of closure means that it appeals to people who want the opposite of that. Full of contradictions your statement is. I thought the last ep was great, but I think it could have used an ending as Matt and David intended, which most likely entails more shipper stuff!
passerby

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« Reply #46 on: 07-08-2004 14:16 »

WARNING: RAMBLING AHEAD. IF YOU CONTINUE, DON'T SAY YOU WERE'NT WARNED.


No. It should'nt come back. I hate to say it, but they'd only spoil the moment by trying to continue it.

Anyway, the Onion was right - Futurama's 72 ep run is almost as big as the original "Star Trek"s, and that still gets talked about today. Not to mention heaps of shows just as good (The Young Ones, Yes, Minister, Fawlty Towers, and Bottom) that never got anywhere near as much.

The Simpsons, Family Guy etc, might go on forever, but they're different. They're about defined characters in a defined situation, and that premise gets repeated every ep.

Futurama on the other hand is not just a series of episodes - The series as a whole is a tightly constructed story, It had a defined beginning and it has an end as well. By the end, every part of the story has been wrapped up. Fry has grown from an aimless, cold drifter to somebody that cares about his friends, and he and Leela have overcome their differences to love each other.

That makes it hard to make a movie about it too. With the story arc finished, the movie has to either somehow try to continue, even though the story it's based on is over, or it has to ignore it and try to be self contained - which would be almost certainly mean dropping at least some of what made the series great in the first place.

Then again maybe they could try to remake the story arc in a different way (Universe of Malice the movie, anyone?)

I live in Oz, I never saw "Devils Hands...". From what I hear, It was a good episode, but didn't really seem final enough. True it comes across as light romance, rather than deeply emotional work, but it seems final enough when reading about it.For a start you can see how they bookend the whole Fry/Leela thing with the first really great Fry/Leela Ep "Parasites Lost" and DHAIP, which you can see as a sequel to PL, but gave the show closure by reversing PL's structure - In PL, Leela starts by falling in love with what Fry becomes, and loses interest when she sees the real him again. In DHAIP, Leela starts by falling in love with what Fry becomes but by the end comes to love him for what he really is. Which is why she stuck around to see the end of the shitty holophoner opera - because its simplicity showed it was what Fry really felt. That bit had damn near perfect closure to it, IMHO. It captured the moment when she finally overcame all her reservations about him.

(I admit it annoys me bit to hear people say stuff like "If only he'd asked her out after that, it would have been proper closure" - seems a bit like the type of person that watches LOTF, and wonders why he didn't keep the clover at the end. They don't get that it's not really important.)
Robo

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« Reply #47 on: 07-08-2004 14:30 »

Firstly I have to say that we were very lucky that Futurama lasted as long as it did, but...

In my own humble opinion I am sure there were a lot of other great ideas waiting to be thrown into the show. I really felt that there were some amazing episodes in season 4, and I doubt a season 5 or 6 would have been that far off the mark. I mean the quality of the Simpsons episodes didn't just drop to what it is now in a single season.

But after saying all that, maybe guys like passerby are right and another season may have really been beating a dead horse.

I would still love a Futurama movie, and I really think it would work far better than say a Simpsons movie, or dare I say it, Family Guy movie.
DrJohnZ

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« Reply #48 on: 07-08-2004 15:01 »

I'm going to agree with you Robo, I (as well as everyone here, I hope) would love to see a Futurama Movie...
I agree that the show might not do so well if another season was put in production, but I feel the show should have had better closure then what "The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings" delivered.

When you do things right, people wont be sure you've done anything at all.
Squeaky

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« Reply #49 on: 07-08-2004 15:45 »
« Last Edit on: 07-08-2004 15:45 »

   
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Originally posted by passerby:
WARNING: RAMBLING AHEAD. IF YOU CONTINUE, DON'T SAY YOU WERE'NT WARNED.


No. It should'nt come back. I hate to say it, but they'd only spoil the moment by trying to continue it.

Anyway, the Onion was right - Futurama's 72 ep run is almost as big as the original "Star Trek"s, and that still gets talked about today. Not to mention heaps of shows just as good (The Young Ones, Yes, Minister, Fawlty Towers, and Bottom) that never got anywhere near as much.

The Simpsons, Family Guy etc, might go on forever, but they're different. They're about defined characters in a defined situation, and that premise gets repeated every ep.

Futurama on the other hand is not just a series of episodes - The series as a whole is a tightly constructed story, It had a defined beginning and it has an end as well. By the end, every part of the story has been wrapped up. Fry has grown from an aimless, cold drifter to somebody that cares about his friends, and he and Leela have overcome their differences to love each other.

That makes it hard to make a movie about it too. With the story arc finished, the movie has to either somehow try to continue, even though the story it's based on is over, or it has to ignore it and try to be self contained - which would be almost certainly mean dropping at least some of what made the series great in the first place.

Then again maybe they could try to remake the story arc in a different way (Universe of Malice the movie, anyone?)

I live in Oz, I never saw "Devils Hands...". From what I hear, It was a good episode, but didn't really seem final enough. True it comes across as light romance, rather than deeply emotional work, but it seems final enough when reading about it.For a start you can see how they bookend the whole Fry/Leela thing with the first really great Fry/Leela Ep "Parasites Lost" and DHAIP, which you can see as a sequel to PL, but gave the show closure by reversing PL's structure - In PL, Leela starts by falling in love with what Fry becomes, and loses interest when she sees the real him again. In DHAIP, Leela starts by falling in love with what Fry becomes but by the end comes to love him for what he really is. Which is why she stuck around to see the end of the shitty holophoner opera - because its simplicity showed it was what Fry really felt. That bit had damn near perfect closure to it, IMHO. It captured the moment when she finally overcame all her reservations about him.

(I admit it annoys me bit to hear people say stuff like "If only he'd asked her out after that, it would have been proper closure" - seems a bit like the type of person that watches LOTF, and wonders why he didn't keep the clover at the end. They don't get that it's not really important.)

Good points there man... But too me I wouldn't mind the show coming back I don't think it spoil the moments that the creators left us with the last episode (Granted I'm still waiting to see that ep)
anyway I think if the show came back it would be fine because the writers and producers would make sure that the stories resume like the show never got cancelled.
Idan_Aharoni

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« Reply #50 on: 07-08-2004 16:24 »

I usually prefare to get bored from a series than to crave for more and not get any (being left with a taste for more that I can't fulfill). Futurama has defenitly left me with a taste for more which isn't being fulfilled. I don't care if it would suck, I would prefare to get bored from it, to stop watching it from my own will than to have some FOX moron executive dictate it for me. I would prefare that Futurama ran forever or after the point I would lose interest because it would stop the annoying craving I've got for MORE.

Don't get me wrong, I honestly think that a 5th season would not be a disappointment! In "The Farnsworth Parabox" Leela said "Lets just say its heads", meaning she had a date with Fry, and according to my recollection in a few other episode endings she appeared to get closer to him, but an episode later it was all gone. The situation could be here as well. I think thats why the ending is such an open-end. The writers left it open enough so in case the show comes back they could act like nothing happened.

The show has so much more to offer to fans and viewers, so many adventures unadventured, so many plots unplotted...
Teral

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« Reply #51 on: 07-09-2004 18:56 »

Futurama was more than just a Fry/Leela lovestory. The off-again/off-again relationship between those two people are but one of the many aspects that made Futurama a great show. To say that just because the relationship has run it's cause (which it hasn't for! For all we know Fry and Leela are still just good friends (and not in the Zapp Brannigan sense  tongue), which is my tAke on the end of TDHAIP), the show have come to an end is not something I can agree with. A quick count tells me only 11 out of the 72 episodes had something to do with Leela/Fry (and in those 11 I included "Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurddles", "Xmas Story" and similar shipper-light episodes), compare that to the huge amount off parodies, comedy and satire episodes. In my opinion the producers have a wide variety of choises for a Futurama movie. In fact if it turns out to be a shipper story I'll actually get a little disappointed, since it'll show a lack of imagination on the part of the writers.

I'm hoping for something like "Roswell that Ends Well" or "A Head In The Polls".
John Pannozzi

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« Reply #52 on: 07-09-2004 19:33 »

I found a thread at IMDB similar to this at http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0149460/board/nest/9850173

And I think Futurama should come back, somehow. In fact, I think OFF should have been canned and Futurama should have stayed in production instead of the other way around.
SpaceCase

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« Reply #53 on: 07-10-2004 14:23 »

 
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Originally posted by Whoopwhoopwhoop:
Honestly, I think Futurama is better off never coming back

BLASPHEMY!

<Turns thermostat down a thousand Kelvins or so>

*Ahem*

Sorry about that...   hmpf

Rather than bore you all by repeating points made more succinctly by others, I'll just say I couldn't disagree more!
At the time of its de-facto cancellation, Futurama was on an improving trend. I for one would dearly love to see what the writers still had up their sleeves to show us. Alas, now we'll probably neve know.  frown

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A man can dream, a man can dream...
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Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #54 on: 07-11-2004 13:40 »

 
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Originally posted by SpaceCase:
 At the time of its de-facto cancellation, Futurama was on an improving trend.

The gags were getting worse though.  hmpf
Sika

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« Reply #55 on: 07-11-2004 16:57 »

5th season is the best imo, then 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st  smile
2nd was my first and i think it's the best one to start with (best gags if you dont know characters)
they knew the 5th would be the last one, so they made it great and i love every single episode "most of all"
it died screaming and that's why its "soon to be major religion"  smile
another season, season 4.5, would be great
say... 6 normal episodes and 1 double so people can fight about their number - 79 or 80  smile
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #56 on: 07-11-2004 20:03 »

 
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Originally posted by Sika:
2nd was my first and i think it's the best one to start with (best gags if you dont know characters)

 So by that are you saying that latter seasons' gags were ones you could only get if you 'knew' the characters?

 
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they knew the 5th would be the last one, so they made it great and i love every single episode "most of all"

 I couldn't have put it worse myself.

 
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another season, season 4.5, would be great
say... 6 normal episodes and 1 double so people can fight about their number - 79 or 80   smile

Nice idea. Because "Where No Fan Has Gone Before" didn't quite parody Star Trek far enough, did it?  tongue
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