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fryfanSpyOrama

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« on: 04-20-2004 01:49 »
« Last Edit on: 06-22-2004 00:00 »

A while back on another thread, I said that one of the main focuses of Futurama was Fry and Leela getting together.


However, some people didn't agree and didn't like it.

What would you want the main issue of Futurama to be? I think it is cute and cool that Fry/Leela relationship was a main focus of the show. It was the romance in the sci-fi action, comedy, drama, romance show that was Futurama.
nerdlingus

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« Reply #1 on: 04-20-2004 02:44 »

But, as many have already stated, it would probably kill the show to get them together which is best left until the end of the movie trilogy they're making.

I wish  roll eyes  wink
DavidCohens1fan

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« Reply #2 on: 04-20-2004 04:28 »

Futurama means different things for different people. It is, above all else, a love story. But so are a lot of movies that feature action.

To me, Futurama is about starting over in a new life, a new time. It's about Fry being a huge loser in the year 1999 and given a second chance to make a better life for himself, one that is as weird and exciting as himself. He feels that through it all, only Leela really understands what it's like to be the last of your kind (this case a 1999 dude) and being alone. Fry makes up for this by befriending all the people in the office.

After realizing what a great oppurtunity Fry has to re-make his life in the future, he knows that he wants Leela to be apart of that new life, as his wife.

That's this one fans take on it.
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« Reply #3 on: 04-20-2004 05:08 »

I agree.

Fry, although not intentionally has been given a second chance in life, and is endevoring to make leela a more permanent part of it

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PCC Fred

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« Reply #4 on: 04-20-2004 05:46 »

 
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Originally posted by DavidCohens1fan:
To me, Futurama is about starting over in a new life, a new time. It's about Fry being a huge loser in the year 1999 and given a second chance to make a better life for himself, one that is as weird and exciting as himself. He feels that through it all, only Leela really understands what it's like to be the last of your kind (this case a 1999 dude) and being alone. Fry makes up for this by befriending all the people in the office.

After realizing what a great oppurtunity Fry has to re-make his life in the future, he knows that he wants Leela to be apart of that new life, as his wife.

I'd tend to agree.  The F/L relationship was only really the main theme from "Parasites Lost" onwards.  The earlier seasons were mainly about Fry learning to adapt to 31st century life.

Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #5 on: 04-20-2004 07:22 »

 
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Originally posted by nerdlingus:
But, as many have already stated, it would probably kill the show to get them together...

 It would only kill the show because they were making such a big deal out of it, as if the only purpose behind the show was to be one big futuristic love story. But it doesn't have to be like that.
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« Reply #6 on: 04-20-2004 07:38 »

i think that futurama has many views and that it all depends on how a person looks at it.
Iron Chef
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« Reply #7 on: 04-20-2004 08:02 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
 I'd tend to agree.  The F/L relationship was only really the main theme from "Parasites Lost" onwards.  The earlier seasons were mainly about Fry learning to adapt to 31st century life.

This pretty much sums it up for me. The early episodes were mainly focused on Fry's attempt to learn about the world around him. I really don't believe it was about someone being given a new chance, becuase that was only mentioned in the first episode.
A lot of the middle episodes were based around the friendship between Fry, Bender and Leela but after 'Parasites Lost' the emphasis moved towards Fry and Leela.
And that was the main theme up until the final episode.

There was also that constant theme of Fry's history. That issue made an appearance in about 5 episodes amd only got rapped up in TWOF. That was a pretty major thread through the show.

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DotheBartman

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« Reply #8 on: 04-20-2004 10:38 »

I don't think there was ever a "main" focus to the show, outside of the obvious fact that Fry, Leela, and Bender were the main characters.  Especcially later on in the run of the show, the focus varied from week to week.  Futurama stayed fresh largely because we were given such different episodes every week.
boxie

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« Reply #9 on: 04-20-2004 10:55 »

I think the main focus or issue of Futurama was to entertain.

As for the story, it was just a fresh take on the typical science fiction fare... It has all the spectacle and technology you would expect, but is grounded by the fact that the hero is one of us. A science fiction fan from now. So not only are we learning about the 'future', but Fry is too. We are on the journey with him. I think that is maybe why it is easier to relate to Futurama than some other sci fi stories...
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #10 on: 04-20-2004 11:18 »
« Last Edit on: 04-20-2004 11:18 »

Hey, I know that Futurama has to do with starting over. I undrstood where Fry ws coming from as far back to SP3K, which is one of the reasons why I like that episode so much.

Matt and David have said that that one of the main focuses of Futurama is the bulding relationship of Fry and Leela.
Let my break it down to certain things that prove this.
SP3K- Fry and Leela learn that they have a lot in common since they both are people who are alone.
E2TSHL- Fry and Leela spend time on the moon and in the Lunar Lander.
MTS- Leela seems to be really concerned about Fry. Fry makes her mad, but she still chooses to help him. Fry cries when he thinks Leela is dead.
AFTR- Leela is jealous when Fry and Amy pose as a couple. Fry and Leela say it is good to be alone together that they almost kiss.
ISTE- Leela tells Fry she loves him as a friend, making Fry say damn
Xmas Story- Fry and Leela say it's good being alone together. They almost kiss.
PYHOMS- Leela is jealous of Fry when he's dating Amy. Fry dumps Amy after she likes hanging out with him. Leela tells Fry she likes hanging out with him, but he doesn't seem to mind.
ABBFT- Fry saves Leela from marrying a jerk.
AOI- Leela is implusive and sleeps with Fry, even though it is from the What if machine you have to wonder if that is what Leela wants.
WITH- Leela goes along to help Fry and Bender.
PL- Fry tells Leela for the first time he loves her. Leela falls in love with Fry, but dumps him when he loses the worms. Fry still has an interest in Leela, since that is image that pops up in the holophoner when Fry plays it.
TDTESS- Leela even though she's stupid is the only PE crew member that follows Fry to the Library.
TL- Fry and Leela are both going together to the award ceremony, but spend time in the tar pits
TCHR- Fry is the only one who says Leela looks prettier as a cyclops.
IITM- Fry and Leela kiss twice.
TKOS- They get married, divorced and Fry's Love message is destroyed before Leela can she it.
LAR- Leela is flattered by the candy that Fry chokes on and they spend Valentine's together with Zoidberg.
LH- Fry is concerned about Leela's saddness and helps Leela find her parents
ALOHO- Fry wants to pat her on the butt but is too embarrassed.
TMLH- They go on a date as kids and watch carefully at the scene where they are grown at the foundtain of aging. Leela has just finished her speech about loving the life he's lived and she and Fry stare at each other with smiles.
TWOF- Fry and Leela kiss for no comical reason. Leela is happy to see Fry that night.
TS- Leela is guilt ridden and sad when Fry dies. Fry never left her side when she was in the hospital.
TFP- Universe 1 Fry and Leela are married. Leela A decides to go out with Fry A to an ape fight.
THBB- Leela is the first person Fry saves in the fire.
TDHAIP- Leela is seemly impressed by Fry's holophone playing that when Fry is lousy again, she's the only person willing to listen to the lousy playing.

Another note why do you think Matt David spent a long time teasing us with almost having Fry and Leela kiss, but something pervents them for doing so?
Dr.Jerkbird

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« Reply #11 on: 04-20-2004 11:35 »

Maybe they will put it in the movie (is there really going to be a movie?) and if they showed it in an episode then why go  watch the movie?
DrJohnZ

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« Reply #12 on: 04-20-2004 14:14 »
« Last Edit on: 04-20-2004 14:14 »

fryfanSpyOrama...
Great Review, I for one think they are made for eachother, and one day (when the show DOES come back( on TV or the big screen)) I believe they will get together for good.

P.S.- I'm not saying they are making a movie, or new eppisodes... I just really really wish they would.
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Monk_K

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« Reply #13 on: 04-20-2004 15:29 »
« Last Edit on: 04-20-2004 15:29 »

I really want Fry and Leela to get together too, but if they did that it would pretty much bring the show to a definite close. Although they probably won't make any more shows I would still prefer it if they left all shows open so that anything could happen and Futurama could continue.
  roll eyes
I think the main focus of Futurama though is the future. I mean pretty much anything can happen and the number of possible ideas for new shows is almost endless!
I still hope they come to their senses and make more episodes.
When will they learn the world needs Futurama!
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KiKiX

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« Reply #14 on: 04-20-2004 15:31 »

I agree Monk_k, I do believe the ideas are endless and I really want them to make more episodes.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #15 on: 04-20-2004 15:35 »

Just like the star wars trilogy, we didn't learned until the end of TESB that the focus was about Luke and Darth Vader's father/son relationship.  Proving Matt's theory that science fiction isn't what it seems or turns out to be from the beginning.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #16 on: 04-20-2004 16:15 »

Yeah, i think that the Fry/Leela relationship should have been played out exactly how it did. Having them get married or become a steady couple would have impared the show's comedy. It was hilarious seeing them married in Time Keeps on Slipping but i think that for them to get together for good, it should wait for the very end of the series, most likely the finale'.
Gorky

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« Reply #17 on: 04-20-2004 16:47 »

I agree that one of the focal points has always been the romance between Fry and Leela. It always amazed me that the writers mixed humor with sci-fi, romance, and drama in such a great way. And, if you look at fryfanSpyOrama's list, you see that almost all of the episodes focus with the romance, even if it is in a subtle way.
Love_For_Leela

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« Reply #18 on: 04-20-2004 16:53 »

It's life. It's been all about life since the first episode, where all 3 main characters decide to have a life-overhaul.

Leela's left her dead end job and now loves Fry. Fry has left his dead-end life and come to a new area of time and space where he fits in and finds love, and Bender has been given a second chance by finding friends... its uplifting, when you think about it.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #19 on: 04-20-2004 17:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:
Yeah, i think that the Fry/Leela relationship should have been played out exactly how it did. Having them get married or become a steady couple would have impared the show's comedy. It was hilarious seeing them married in Time Keeps on Slipping but i think that for them to get together for good, it should wait for the very end of the series, most likely the finale'.

 I have to say that if Futurama ended with a really anodyne "Fry and Leela get together and live happily ever after" ending, I would be very disappointed, just because it would be so friggin' easy and shamelessly feelgood from a show that I expect more from.
Digital Dragon

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« Reply #20 on: 04-20-2004 17:32 »

I think a large part of Futurama’s focus centres around a simple premise. Take a fantastical sci-fi world with all the archetypes and clichés of the genre, but make the people real, with the same problems humans have had since the dawn of civilisation; crappy jobs, crappy love lives, boredom, incompetent leaders, laziness, etc. That’s what I love about Futurama, it’s neither a utopia or a distopia, it’s the world as it has always been, pretty crappy, but with those occasional moments of heavenly grace.

As to Fry and Leela, it would be wonderful for them to get together, but only in the very final episode/movie, because the romantic humour and tension would be completely dissipated in any subsequent episodes.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #21 on: 04-20-2004 17:37 »

You all say that, but I'd be interested to see how it did progress if they did get together, whether they could get some mileage out of it or if it would end up being a Niles & Daphne style JTS moment.
Venus

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« Reply #22 on: 04-20-2004 18:04 »

i would also have liked to have seen them together for a while. Perhaps the final half of the final season, that way everyone gets what they want. The anti-shippers get half a season and the proshippers get half a season. Everybody wins!
EvilLunch

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« Reply #23 on: 04-20-2004 18:13 »

I would say that the main comment Futurama was making.. to me.. is that even after a thousand years, after civilization falls and is rebuilt,  robots are built and become sentient and rings come in and go out, human nature never changes.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #24 on: 04-20-2004 18:14 »

I'm sure no-one would agree with me on this, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing Fry and Leela get together for a while but then split up, only to properly get together again later on when they realise what a mistake they made. Because, let's face it, relationships do go through problems and for Fry and Leela to get together and for that to be it would just be, well, boring, so I'd like to see something less straightforward.
DavidCohens1fan

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« Reply #25 on: 04-20-2004 18:42 »

According to David Cohen, the coolest guy in the world, they are sort of/trying to/hopefully/kind of (you get the 'it maybe could happen' impression?) trying to pitch a movie of Futurama.

PCC Fred

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« Reply #26 on: 04-20-2004 21:36 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
I'm sure no-one would agree with me on this, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing Fry and Leela get together for a while but then split up, only to properly get together again later on when they realise what a mistake they made. Because, let's face it, relationships do go through problems and for Fry and Leela to get together and for that to be it would just be, well, boring, so I'd like to see something less straightforward.

Oh God NO!  Admittedly it sounds like a good idea, but too many shows have used it already.  Does the phrase "We were on a BREAK!" ring a bell?
DrJohnZ

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« Reply #27 on: 04-20-2004 22:27 »

 
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Originally posted by DavidCohens1fan:
According to David Cohen, the coolest guy in the world, they are sort of/trying to/hopefully/kind of (you get the 'it maybe could happen' impression?) trying to pitch a movie of Futurama.



You gotta proove that dude.
shoopbender
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« Reply #28 on: 04-20-2004 22:43 »

Cohen says it in an interview that is on a site which I don't have a link to. I know you can find the link on got futuram in the article section -  http://gotfuturama.com/
spacepilot3000

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« Reply #29 on: 04-20-2004 22:48 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
I'm sure no-one would agree with me on this, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing Fry and Leela get together for a while but then split up, only to properly get together again later on when they realise what a mistake they made. Because, let's face it, relationships do go through problems and for Fry and Leela to get together and for that to be it would just be, well, boring, so I'd like to see something less straightforward.

No. If anything, there relationship shoud be like the one on "The O.C"(if anyone watches that)with Seth and Summer. Sometimes, they are annoyed with one another, but in the end, they work things out.

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« Reply #30 on: 04-20-2004 23:01 »
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i have a qeustion for shoopbender. where in chattown do you find futurama comics. nobody has them. to the rest of you, i am very sorry for chatting on the message board but have any of you tried talking about futurama in the chat room? impossible!
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #31 on: 04-21-2004 08:14 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
 Oh God NO!  Admittedly it sounds like a good idea, but too many shows have used it already.  Does the phrase "We were on a BREAK!" ring a bell?

No. And besides, too many other shows have used the happily ever after thing as well, so if you like it like that, the whole relationship thing's a big bloody cliché.

 Or here's an idea: how about they don't get together? I think I could live with a Futurama ending that pissed a lot of people off.  tongue
Lurrr

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« Reply #32 on: 04-21-2004 12:48 »

I don't think the main theme of Futurama is Fry and Leela's relationship. If it were, it would be more like Friends *shudders*

As corny as it sounds I think Futurama is about friendship. Each one of the main characters has some strange quirk (see Fry's speech in The Cyber House Rules) and works for a crummy delivery service and is usually pretty bad at their job, and yet they all stick together no matter what happens. To me, the series says 'you're weird but at least you've got friends'.
ArcadeAssassin

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« Reply #33 on: 04-21-2004 13:07 »

Futurama is based on alot of ideas and genes and Fry's and Leela's romace is probaly the main idea in Futurama.
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« Reply #34 on: 04-21-2004 14:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
Or here's an idea: how about they don't get together? I think I could live with a Futurama ending that pissed a lot of people off.   tongue

How about they do get together, and then Fry gets beaten to death by a radioactive monkey?

That way, everyone gets what they want.  The shippers get to see Fry and Leela together, and the anti-shippers get to see it all end in tragedy.  Everybody wins!

 
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Originally posted by Lurrr:
As corny as it sounds I think Futurama is about friendship. Each one of the main characters has some strange quirk (see Fry's speech in The Cyber House Rules) and works for a crummy delivery service and is usually pretty bad at their job, and yet they all stick together no matter what happens. To me, the series says 'you're weird but at least you've got friends'.

I'd have to agree with that.  There are just as many episodes about the friendship between Fry and Bender as there are episodes focusing on Fry and Leela.  Even some of the Fry and Leela episodes seem to be more about their friendship than about a possible romance.

In many ways, the Planet Express crew is like a surrogate family.  Most of the characters (Fry, Leela before Leela's Homeworld, Bender, Zoidberg) don't have a real family, but they all have each other.

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fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #35 on: 05-10-2004 02:11 »

 
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Originally posted by ArcadeAssassin:
Futurama is based on alot of ideas and genes and Fry's and Leela's romace is probaly the main idea in Futurama.


Thank you ArcadeAssassin.
nerdlingus

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« Reply #36 on: 05-10-2004 03:51 »
« Last Edit on: 05-10-2004 03:51 »

I find there is a quite a bit of social commentary in Futurama showing that society and the general population won't change that much in the future; we will all be as petty then as we are now.
The relationships were just to carry stories and episodes along and over time they developed into full blown storylines for the show a good example being Amy and Kif getting together and Fry and Leelas blossoming relationship.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #37 on: 06-22-2004 02:33 »
« Last Edit on: 06-22-2004 02:33 »

Matt and David have said that the main story of Futurama is the bulding relationship of Fry and Leela.
Let my break it down to certain things that prove this.


SP3K- Fry and Leela learn that they have a lot in common since they both a people who are alone.
E2TSHL- Fry and Leela spend time on the moon and in the Lunar Lander.
MTS- Leela seems to be really concerned about Fry. Fry makes her mad, but she still chooses to help him. Fry cries when he thinks Leela is dead.
AFTR- Leela is jealous when Fry and Amy pose as a couple. Fry and Leela say it is good to be alone together that they almost kiss.
ISTE- Leela tells Fry she loves him as a friend, making Fry say damn
Xmas Story- Fry and Leela say it's good being alone together. They almost kiss.
PYHOMS- Leela is jealous of Fry when he's dating Amy. Fry dumps Amy after she likes hanging out with him. Leela tells Fry she likes hanging out with him, but he doesn't seem to mind.
ABBFT- Fry saves Leela from marrying a jerk.
AOI- Leela is implusive and sleeps with Fry, even though it is from the What if machine you have to wonder if that is what Leela wants.
WITH- Leela goes along to help Fry and Bender.
PL- Fry tells Leela for the first time he loves her. Leela falls in love with Fry, but dumps him when he loses the worms. Fry still has an interest in Leela, since that is image that pops up in the holophoner when Fry plays it.
TDTESS- Leela even though she's stupid is the only PE crew member that follows Fry to the Library.
TL- Fry and Leela are both going together to the award ceremony, but spend time in the tar pits
TCHR- Fry is the only one who says Leela looks prettier as a cyclops.
IITM- Fry and Leela kiss twice.
TKOS- They get married, divorced and Fry's Love message is destroyed before Leela can she it.
LAR- Leela is flattered by the candy that Fry chokes on and they spend Valentine's together with Zoidberg.  Fry just his oxygen to Leela and Leela does mouth to mouth to Fry/
LH- Fry is concerned about Leela's saddness and helps Leela find her parents.  Leela says, she flushed some important things down the toilet and Fry's love note is one of them.
ALOHO- Fry wants to pat her on the butt but is too embarrassed.
TMLH- They go on a date as kids and watch carefully at the scene where they are grown at the foundtain of aging. Leela has just finished her speech about loving the life he's lived and she and Fry stare at each other with smiles.
TWOF- Fry and Leela kiss for no comical reason. Leela is happy to see Fry that night.
TS- Leela is guilt ridden and sad when Fry dies. Fry never left her side when she was in the hospital. She has a box with random things from Fry.
TFP- Universe 1 Fry and Leela are married. Leela A decides to go out with Fry A to an ape fight.
THBB- Leela is the first person Fry saves in the fire.
TDHAIP- Leela is seemly impressed by Fry's holophone playing that when Fry is lousy again, she's the only person willing to listen to the lousy playing.

All these scenes tell me why Fry dumped Amy unexpectedly and why Matt and David have said that the main issue about Futurama was the building relationship of Fry and Leela.
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« Reply #38 on: 06-22-2004 04:32 »

In the last scene of the final episode, leela seems to be happy to listen to frys terrible music. However, didn't she need Calculon's ears? Which i believe are missing at this point. I dare say she took them out. Anyway, Zapp is the only man for Leela!!!
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« Reply #39 on: 06-22-2004 06:51 »

Marry me, fryfanSpyOrama. I have the occasional Fry-Leela shipper marathon (shut up), and you've described my whole viewing schedule (plus the 4ACV ones I can't watch on command, since that DVD that still hasn't hit US stores). I think it's also worth mentioning the conversation in War is the H-word that goes something like (quoting from memory, here, so it's not so accurate) ...
Fry: Well, I kind of have a thing for a girl at work.
"Lee Lemon": Really? What type is she? Blonde, Chinese, Cyclops?
Fry: Cyclops.
"Lee Lemon": Aww. She sounds sweet.

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