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Alliteration

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« on: 04-10-2004 16:41 »

Here is my theory...

After Family Guy got cancelled, it got moved to AS, where its ratings skyrocketed (same with Futurama). It is now being remade and the episodes will (apparently) be shown on cartoon network. Now, Futurama once again occupies the 11:00 time slot, and it has also been moved to the premium spot on Sunday. It also has high ratings.

Does anyone other than me think this might be some buisness plan by Cartoon Network to get both shows restarted so they can show both of them on AS?

I'm probably just being hopefull, but give me your opinion on this idea.
Tweek

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« Reply #1 on: 04-10-2004 16:42 »

It seems unlikely, the production costs for Futurama are higher than for Family Guy.
KVA

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« Reply #2 on: 04-10-2004 17:03 »

They won't have enough money to produce both shows simultaneously.
Alliteration

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« Reply #3 on: 04-10-2004 18:05 »

I thought Fox and CN were joint-producing Family Guy? That would cut costs for CN. I was suggesting they might be trying a similair thing with Futurama.

Although KVA does bring up a good point, running both shows at once might be too costly, but without solid figures I really don't have any difinitive answer.
Davey

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« Reply #4 on: 04-10-2004 18:06 »

I don't actually think Cartoon Network would be able to do that, good idea though!


Nice Clean Humour
Bay

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« Reply #5 on: 04-10-2004 18:08 »

Futurama being cancelled was the best thing that could have happened. I have come to terms with that fact.

Look how stale the Simpsons has become. Futurama was wrapped up nicely, with a plausable shippy ending. They wouldn't be able to make an episode with fry and leela dating. It wouldn't work.

Anyway, let it stay dead. Revel in it's brilliance.
Davey

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« Reply #6 on: 04-10-2004 18:11 »
« Last Edit on: 04-10-2004 18:11 »

How can you say that it was good that Futurama had been cancelled and theres plenty of decent ideas that could run with Fry and leela dating!


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Dr. Morberg

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« Reply #7 on: 04-10-2004 18:13 »

You think that it was wrapped up nicely!? Though the episode was great, it was not a good end to the series. Also, though it is highly improbable that [AS] would pick up Futurama, they wouldn't have to explain much since they cut out the kiss at the end of TDHAIP.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #8 on: 04-10-2004 21:18 »
« Last Edit on: 04-10-2004 21:18 »

I remember hearing Seth McFarlane talking aboot that upcomming episodes of Family Guy are going to be cut back in the Production, so they would be as expensive.

I couldnt imagine a cost-cut Futurama... It would be horrible without all the great animation and effects.   cry
DrJohnZ

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« Reply #9 on: 04-10-2004 22:19 »

I've said it before and I'm about to say it again... if Futurama comes back (and Im sure everyone will back me on this) it should come back as well as it was before (animation effects, voices, storyline, staff, etc.)
Frymaja

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« Reply #10 on: 04-10-2004 23:34 »

They should do that. Adult Swim has really got something going with Futurama and Family Guy. Neither of the shows were that popular on fox and as soon as they were moved to Adult Swim they got reconized. If they could do great on reruns think sbout how good they could do with new episodes.
Grim

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« Reply #11 on: 04-10-2004 23:44 »

Cartoon Network paid $10 Million for the rerun rights to futurama. each futurama episode costs about half a million dollars to make, so its really just not good business sense to renew futurama, when they could pick up 72 episodes for the price it would cost them to make less than 20
MrsBender

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« Reply #12 on: 04-10-2004 23:54 »

The difference between Futurama on [AS] and on Fox is about audience.  Fox is a broadcast network, while [AS] is a programming flow within a narrowcast cable network.  (All this is only good for the US, I have no idea how it works in the UK or anywhere else).  [AS] ranks superhighly in males between the ages of 18-34, while Fox viewers during the prime time slot that futurama was in are of a much broader age range, include more women, and thusly, for some reason, are less interested in Futurama.  It's been far more successful on [AS] than on Fox.  My guess is that just as shows like the Golden Girls appeal to a few target demographics, Futurama does as well, just to different ones, and these demographics watch [AS] overall a lot more than Fox. 
DrJohnZ

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« Reply #13 on: 04-11-2004 00:01 »

Yes, so maybe FOX will one day realize that, and re-introduce it to a later time slot... say, oh, 10PM or something
bankrupt

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« Reply #14 on: 04-11-2004 00:11 »

 
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Originally posted by Bay:
Look how stale the Simpsons has become. Futurama was wrapped up nicely, with a plausable shippy ending. They wouldn't be able to make an episode with fry and leela dating. It wouldn't work.

Anyway, let it stay dead. Revel in it's brilliance.

Most people would say the Simpsons didn't start getting stale until after season 9.  Futurama only had 4 seasons.  If we're just making comparisons based on the Simpsons history, Futurama had 5 more seasons to go before the stale factor hit.  There's a much wider universe for writers to play with in Futurama, so I think Futurama could have gone longer than the Simpsons before declining in quality.

As others have said, if Futurama can't be brought back in its original form due to budgets, I don't want to see it.  It was too good of a show to deserve a half-assed resurrection.
Alliteration

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« Reply #15 on: 04-11-2004 00:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Dr. Morberg:
 ...they wouldn't have to explain much since they cut out the kiss at the end of TDHAIP.

What? When did this happen? There was a kiss at the end?
MrsBender

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« Reply #16 on: 04-11-2004 00:54 »

Yeah I second, what the hell is this kiss business??? And even if they kept said kiss in continuity, they could still make more episodes about what happened after, have Leela like back off or something.
Alliteration

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« Reply #17 on: 04-11-2004 01:07 »
« Last Edit on: 04-12-2004 00:00 »

Is this some sort of crazy DVD extra you region two guys are getting on the season four DVD?

Edit: Hehehehe, you meant the kiss in the holophoner image... right?
Spacedal11

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« Reply #18 on: 04-11-2004 01:15 »

i would love to have Futurama back! Family Guy I could live without. I love the show but Futurama better. All I can say is sign the petition in "The Revival of Futurama" link. Eventually will get new shows.
MrsBender

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« Reply #19 on: 04-11-2004 01:59 »

back to the darn crazy brits.  stupid region two ahead of us.  blergh
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #20 on: 04-11-2004 02:01 »

I say we should each send one dollar to CN and raise enough money to make episodes of Futurama the way we want.  (Same animation, voices, staff, etc.)
Spacedal11

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« Reply #21 on: 04-11-2004 02:14 »

A Futurama Fund. Funny.
MrsBender

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« Reply #22 on: 04-11-2004 03:25 »

That would take way more dollars than any of us have, unfortunately, I'm pretty sure.  Though if there are any nerdy millionaire PEELers, they should contribute first to paying off my college loans and then to making more episodes of Futurama. 
Dr_Dave

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« Reply #23 on: 04-11-2004 06:25 »

The recent events surrounding the return of Family Guy constitute a unique business model (at least, I've never seen this happen to a cancelled series).  Clearly, the cost part of the equation (production costs, broadcast fees for CN)has been worked out between F*X and CN.  The revenue side of the equation remains to be seen.  Will new episodes generate enough new viewers and additional advertising revenue to justify CN's costs?  Will future DVD sales and syndication fees be enough to justify F*X's expenses?  Only time will tell.

If this business model proves successful, then it is in the best interests of both parties to see if the same model will work for Futurama.  We know that CN is interested, and F*X never turns down anything that makes a buck.  Unfortunately, it may be several years before we know if this experiment is a success.  Until then, keep the faith, support Futurama in all its forms, and especially, buy those DVDs!  big grin
KAH

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« Reply #24 on: 04-11-2004 07:19 »

A note on the whole Fry and Leela being together thing: I agree that that would suck, but they could do a few episodes like that. That would open up some options they haven't had before. Then Fry could do something stupid to screw it up and Leela could dump him, which would bring us back to the same old Fry loves Leela thing.
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #25 on: 04-11-2004 07:51 »
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Ack! That was my idea! I'll kill you!   tongue

 http://www.peelified.com/cgi-bin/Futurama/3-000434-3/

Anyways, what I like about this idea is that it allows Leela a more legitimate reason for the constant rebuffs, and would generally be a good way to get us all back to square one. Fry would truely have to re-invent himself (eventually... I like how he is now) to acheive his goal... back to the slight hints in earlier eps, rather than the full blown stuff we see later (and the wierd things like when they appear to have gotten together, but haven't eg L+R, TFP.)

Also, is it normal to have this large an influx of new members? (Perhaps one of the old hats could tell me. You know who you are...) The roster has been growing daily for a while now... encouraging, because things like this CN timetable thing are reaching new people, and introducing them to the glory of the show. At least, most people I know who are into it have become so recently (partially thanks to me!). The poor fellows keep complaining that it's hard to get the DVD's 'cause they sell out so fast... which is news I like too hear!  big grin
KAH

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« Reply #26 on: 04-11-2004 08:10 »

SlackJawedMoron, great minds, eh?
SlackJawedMoron

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« Reply #27 on: 04-11-2004 08:14 »

Damn straight! Let's form an awesome crime fighting duo!
KAH

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« Reply #28 on: 04-11-2004 08:43 »
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Ha! I think it comes from watching too much TV and learning the rules of sitcoms. But we could fight the crime of bad writing, the airways are full of it. Airways? Air waves?Whatever, someone will correct me.
Bay

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« Reply #29 on: 04-11-2004 09:30 »

Fry and Leela dating wouldn't work. Fry and Leela having one date then falling out has been done before.

Anything to do with them being together and falling apart will just drag on and on, with constant jokes about 'don't date in the workplace'. The ending in Devil's hands leaves it all to your fanfic buzzing imaginations, but in real life, that doesn't make good TV, especially when we've come so far with the characters.

What would be a better ending, shippy people? Them marrying? There was one series that ended with that.

Saved by the Bell.

My point is made.


You read it, you can't un-read it!
bankrupt

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« Reply #30 on: 04-11-2004 11:04 »

 
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Originally posted by Bay:
What would be a better ending, shippy people? Them marrying? There was one series that ended with that.

Saved by the Bell.

My point is made.


Any point that is made by comparing Futurama with Saved by the Bell isn't a good one.  That's insulting to Futurama.

Alliteration

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« Reply #31 on: 04-11-2004 15:44 »

I was just looking at the TV guide I got this morning. Apparently (If i read it right) Futurama Vol. 3 is the 12th most selling DVD in America today.
Lee Roberts

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« Reply #32 on: 04-11-2004 16:13 »

You all have good points and Alliteration, if you could prove this, for example if it's mentioned on a website.... FOX will possible show re-runs of Futurama and get ratings of that... then when they realise that it's really good and that they have been stupid to even have bother thinking about cancelling Futurama, they will bring it back
KVA

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« Reply #33 on: 04-11-2004 16:29 »

Does anybody know, what place Family Guy had in DVD selling ratings before the announcement of its return? If it was something like Futurama have now then chances of its revival are pretty high. At least if they will follow the same logic.
tominator

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« Reply #34 on: 04-11-2004 17:04 »

FAMILY GUY GOT 15 IN THE DVD RATINGS NOT AS GOOD AS FUTURAMA BUT I THING BOTH ARE AS GOOD AS EACH OTHER
KVA

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« Reply #35 on: 04-11-2004 17:11 »

It got revived after 15 in DVD ratings??? Well, then Futurama can really have a chance.
Btw , I'm sorry, Torminator, but could you write not in big letters next time? Usual are much easier to read. 
Davey

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« Reply #36 on: 04-11-2004 17:12 »

Yeah it has got a chance, they could use the DVD sales money to produce more eps!
Teral

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« Reply #37 on: 04-11-2004 20:31 »

 
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron:
Also, is it normal to have this large an influx of new members? (Perhaps one of the old hats could tell me. You know who you are...)

Yes, it's normal. It's the fact that the new members actually post on the board that's out of the ordinary.

And Dr. Dave is right, it will be quite a while before we know if the return of Family Guy will have any positive influence on Futurama.

Moving Futurama to the 11pm slot is standard fare as far as I understand. Apparently CN like to shake up their schedule once in a while.
Dr_Dave

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« Reply #38 on: 04-12-2004 07:50 »

 
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Originally posted by KVA:
Does anybody know, what place Family Guy had in DVD selling ratings before the announcement of its return? If it was something like Futurama have now then chances of its revival are pretty high. At least if they will follow the same logic.

I don't know about "ratings", but Family Guy (Vol. 1) had sales in excess of 1.5 million units.  It was the top selling TV series on DVD for the year.  Sales of Volumne 2 also exceeded 1 million units.  That is what made everyone sit up and take notice.

KAH

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« Reply #39 on: 04-12-2004 08:23 »

Would someone please explain how nielsen ratings work. I'm pretty sure I know but I may have a few things wrong. A lot of people talk about it but I'm not sure they know how the data is collected.
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