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Donnie Zoido

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« on: 01-09-2004 08:51 »

Dunno if this has been asked before,it probably has, but hey. I'll think of a thread that hasn't been done before some day... If Fox were to turn around and say, "Okay, we'll bring back Futurama, but if we do that we axe the Simpsons.", what would your reaction be?
Xmpel

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« Reply #1 on: 01-09-2004 09:04 »

Something along the lines of this:
"Yay ! Futurama's back ! Let's see some hot ass, giff me the professor !"
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #2 on: 01-09-2004 09:42 »

In DK we had 1 season (at least on a channel I could see out here in the middle of nowhere) so I have mostly watched Futurama on DVD. So since I can neither watch Futurama nor The Simpsons, I would have to base my reply on what I'd be most likely to buy on DVD. And that's Futurama. No doubt.
Mercapto

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« Reply #3 on: 01-09-2004 09:50 »

They did show McSeasons 2 & 3 on Zulu, but it's not like anybody watches that channel anyway, especially not at 2 am on Sundays. :/

I would be all for sacrificing Simpsons season 16 in return for another season of Futurama. In my opinion Simpsons is way past their prime.
PCC Fred

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« Reply #4 on: 01-09-2004 10:45 »

 
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Originally posted by Donnie Zoido:If Fox were to turn around and say, "Okay, we'll bring back Futurama, but if we do that we axe the Simpsons.", what would your reaction be?

My reaction would be send Satan some mittens and a flask of soup to keep him warm.
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #5 on: 01-09-2004 10:50 »

 
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Originally posted by Mercapto:
They did show McSeasons 2 & 3 on Zulu, but it's not like anybody watches that channel anyway, especially not at 2 am on Sundays. :/

I would watch if I had the chance. But they only showed McSeason 1 on TV2 (standard), and that was around 2-4am... Abd I was watching!! That got me started. And I never stopped, although I had to find other means.

But Fucx would NEVER cancel their #1 merchandise seller in favour of a show they hate.
boingo2000

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« Reply #6 on: 01-09-2004 11:00 »

 
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Originally posted by Donnie Zoido:
If Fox were to turn around and say, "Okay, we'll bring back Futurama, but if we do that we axe the Simpsons.", what would your reaction be?

I would say "Axe the Simpsons what?"  And if Fox didn't get it, I'd know they weren't serious about bringing Futurama back.
Mercapto

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« Reply #7 on: 01-09-2004 11:11 »

 
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Originally posted by Pikka Bird:
 I would watch if I had the chance. But they only showed McSeason 1 on TV2 (standard), and that was around 2-4am... Abd I was watching!! That got me started. And I never stopped, although I had to find other means.

The only problem was that I already had season 3 on DVD before they started showing it on Zulu. That just goes to show how fast TV2 & Co works. At least 3+ are pretty good at getting the new episodes of The Simpsons quickly.

Jazzmonkey

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« Reply #8 on: 01-09-2004 11:16 »
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Personally I'd be glad to see futurama replace the simpsons. After 15ish seasons its obvious that the simpsons writers are running out of propper ideas. Futurama however, still had plenty of life left in it when it was canceled.
Teral

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« Reply #9 on: 01-09-2004 11:24 »
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Originally posted by Mercapto:
They did show McSeasons 2 & 3 on Zulu, but it's not like anybody watches that channel anyway, especially not at 2 am on Sundays. :/


I watched it every Sunday, bordering on fanatiscism.

If killing the Simpsons will bring Futurama back, by God I'm willing to pay that price.
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« Reply #10 on: 01-09-2004 14:21 »

I'd think they better make futurama damn good
Yinger36

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« Reply #11 on: 01-09-2004 16:27 »

I gotta agree that The Simpsons is past its prime.  There is only so much one can do & the Simpsons is reaching that limit.  Futurama would be a very worthy replacement, but knowing Fox they would never allow a show they single handedly killed replace the Simpsons.
David A

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« Reply #12 on: 01-09-2004 16:34 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
My reaction would be send Satan some mittens and a flask of soup to keep him warm.

  laff
DotheBartman

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« Reply #13 on: 01-09-2004 17:12 »

For me its somewhat of a tough call.  As evidenced by my username and the ramblings and arguments in the Simpsons season 15 thread, I currently feel that The Simpsons has turned itself around quite a bit and is generally very enjoyable now, if a little uneven.

But, I guess I'd say I'd prefer Futurama to come back.  It just died so young, and I did like it better then The Simpsons season 15 so far.  But for me the ideal situation would be for both to stay on.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #14 on: 01-09-2004 17:16 »

For once I agree with Uns - I'd go with Futurama but only on the grounds that Groening, Cohen and the rest could pull their fingers out and churn out some classic episodes. I certainly wouldn't want to see Futurama go down The Simpsons' over-quantisized, predictable route.
mattmag

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« Reply #15 on: 01-09-2004 17:17 »

because i am boycotting fox anyway i wouldnt care one bit.  But why would they do this anyway? their job is not to piss off fans (although thats what they do)

Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #16 on: 01-09-2004 17:19 »

No, Fox's job is largely to cater for a mass audience of brainless couch potatoes.
ItsASuppository

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« Reply #17 on: 01-09-2004 19:41 »

Personally I would like it if it would happen.  But even though it would be shown to less of an audience, there should be someway that it can be brought back on cartoon network (along with family guy I never miss a night with those two on).  At least those people wouldn't be stupid enough to cancel it.
VoVat

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« Reply #18 on: 01-09-2004 21:25 »

It's a tough call.  The Simpsons has been my favorite show for years, and I think it's taken an upswing recently.  On the other hand, it's been around for fifteen seasons, and, while I'd definitely miss seeing new episodes, that's a great lifespan for any show.  So I'd probably agree, but reluctantly.
M0le

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« Reply #19 on: 01-09-2004 21:38 »

I would like to see Futurama on more than the Simpsons. Realistically, it's getting boring and completely unfunny. 15 seasons. It stopped being hilarious after the 8th season, but it was still funny. By the 12th season it was getting sad. Just my two cents.
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Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #20 on: 01-09-2004 23:56 »

Futurama coming back and Simspons being axed is exactly what I want.  wink
1 of the gang

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« Reply #21 on: 01-10-2004 02:27 »

F_H...you couldn't be more right!
Simpson's has jumped the shark as I have said in many a thread.
They need to be out with the old and in with the newer than old!
KittinGas

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« Reply #22 on: 01-10-2004 08:38 »

The Simpsons has been around for too long they should have stopped around season 9. Also, in my opinion, Futurama hasn't got a bad episode to it's name, unlike Simpsons where the bad outwieghs the good.
Sil

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« Reply #23 on: 01-10-2004 08:49 »

IMO the reason the Simpsons has gotten so weak is because several of its top-quality writers had defected to Futurama / left for pastures new.

Go for it - it needs to lay down quietly and give up.
nagrub

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« Reply #24 on: 01-10-2004 09:14 »

I think the reason the simposns has got seriously weak is because they have done everything. many of the new episodes play off the fact that they can't do anything new, they've done it all. for instance, many episodes are practically the same as old ones, just set in a new place. The one where they go to Australia, and the one where they to to japan, and the one where they go to England (last night, missed it, DAMN!) they are all the same, just in a different location!
Old Skool Prop

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« Reply #25 on: 01-10-2004 09:20 »

I would not be able to choose between the 2 of them!
leelaholic

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« Reply #26 on: 01-10-2004 20:09 »

It's retarded to have this thread when 90% of PEEL detests the Simpsons.

I'd keep The Simpsons because (A) shows brought back are never very good, and (B) I like The Simpsons more. Plain and simple.
Teral

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« Reply #27 on: 01-10-2004 20:31 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
It's retarded to have this thread when 90% of PEEL detests the Simpsons.

Hyperbole is fun.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #28 on: 01-11-2004 02:17 »

 
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Originally posted by Sil:
IMO the reason the Simpsons has gotten so weak is because several of its top-quality writers had defected to Futurama / left for pastures new.

Go for it - it needs to lay down quietly and give up.

Meh.  Its all opinion about whether the show declined or not, but it was (IMO) already declining before Cohen and Keeler left for Futurama.  And in all honesty, both were relatively weaker Simpsons writers.  One of Cohen's scripts actually marked the ruining of Lisa, and the only Keeler script that wasn't below average for the time was "El Viaje de Nuestro Homer".

Regarding writers leaving for other things, maybe, but keep in mind that that sort of thing happens with most shows.  Most writers only stick around for two or three seasons.  Almost none of the writers for seasons 1-3 were still around by 5-8, so its nothing new.

Coop

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« Reply #29 on: 01-11-2004 04:34 »

I think Simpson's should leave while it still has time. It is dying fast, and the only way to help it is to inject it with a lethal dose.

And I think that Futurama still had years ahead of it.
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #30 on: 01-11-2004 12:03 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
 Meh.  Its all opinion about whether the show declined or not, but it was (IMO) already declining before Cohen and Keeler left for Futurama.  And in all honesty, both were relatively weaker Simpsons writers.  One of Cohen's scripts actually marked the ruining of Lisa, and the only Keeler script that wasn't below average for the time was "El Viaje de Nuestro Homer".

Agreed. I think Cohen in particular is a lot more in his element writing in more fantastical contexts (since he wrote segments for five Treehouse Of Horror episodes) than the realistic (well, originally) motif of The Simpsons. Btw, which episode was it that ruined Lisa? "Lisa The Vegetarian?"

 On a related tangent, I wonder what Futurama would've been like if they had John Swartzwelder as one of the writers...
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« Reply #31 on: 01-11-2004 12:59 »
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Yeah I would have liked to have seen a swartzwelder futurama script, his simpsons scripts are usually wilder, what could he do with futurama. although maybe's he's not a sci fi fan.

Actually Ken Keeler wrote a good script with the george bush episode.
but some of the other 2 were very contreversial ones really. The critic crossover, (which i found funny and it didn't bother me since I dont think the critic was ever shown in england so i didn't know about it) and the one where skinner turns out to be an imposter. cohen wrote
Lisa the vegetarian probably wasn't such a good idea, but it did feature simpons scenes I've ever seen where the eating dinner and homer and lisa aren't speaking.


I'd say simpsons should keep going, because you dont want to stop when its restoring itself, I think there planning to finish after the 20th series.

Someone early said the weak outweighs the strong Simpsons episodes, and I dont think I've ever disagreed with a statement more in life.

and I swear futurama just an unbelivable amount of cheesy lines, I saw problem with popplers and ugh some lines, were awful. and so was the plot, somehow I just found it really annoying the dilemma, oh no how will leela get out of this one. I'd rather watch a wacky simpsons adventure.
and simpsons has only come close to making me cringe at such cheesy lines a couple of times. futurama had some every episode
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« Reply #32 on: 01-11-2004 13:03 »
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Oh and cohen wrote Lisa the skeptic which ruined lisa's character more than the vegetarian episode,
ActionLaPointe

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« Reply #33 on: 01-11-2004 18:34 »

put the flames on homers back, hes been on tv for too long.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #34 on: 01-11-2004 18:43 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
 Agreed. I think Cohen in particular is a lot more in his element writing in more fantastical contexts (since he wrote segments for five Treehouse Of Horror episodes) than the realistic (well, originally) motif of The Simpsons. Btw, which episode was it that ruined Lisa? "Lisa The Vegetarian?"
 
"Vegetarian" may have set things in motion I guess, but she was still a good character there.  "Lisa the Skeptic" is the one I was referring to.  She became completely unbearable from that point on.  And I say that as someone who considers Lisa to be my favorite character in the series otherwise.

Keeler was also much better on Futurama then on The Simpsons.  Godfellas in particular is just so much deeper and more expertly written then anything he did on The Simpsons, its quite a contrast really.  In fact Keeler wrote the first truly awful episode IMO ("The Principal and the Pauper" ), and many of his others (Two Bad Neighbors, A Star is Burns, even his THOH stuff) were relatively weaker as well (Groening even pulled his name off of A Star is Burns). With the possible exception of "El Viaje de Nuestro Jomer", his Futurama work seems to be almost universally better.


KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #35 on: 01-11-2004 19:12 »

I would be happy if Futurama would come back to FOX!  I wish The Simpsons would be axed because of a possibility of Futurama coming back!  Why?  Because Futurama is so much better and has way more life and potential for a TV show than more new episodes and seasons of The Simpsons!
M0le

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« Reply #36 on: 01-11-2004 19:23 »

In one of the later Sideshow Bob episodes they compare themselves to going stale and boring.
Marge: I think it's good for a show to end, before it gets stale and repetitive.
Smithers: Maggie shot Mr Burns again!
(awkward silence)

Even Sideshow Bob is getting boring.
Zeep

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« Reply #37 on: 01-11-2004 19:53 »
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I'm not going to say Futurama is better than the Simpsons since i've only seen about 10 episodes of the simpsons (*cough*itis!*cough*), if even that many, but it's hard to get into something when you're 13 seasons behind, so i never even bothered trying to start watching it regularly.
BUT, based on the episodes i have seen, I have this to say:
DIE, SIMPSONS, DIE! LONG LIVE FUTURAMA!
jemlyn

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« Reply #38 on: 01-11-2004 22:21 »

I love the Simpsons, but I think we're still only up to season 12 in Autralia.  But why should we have to choose between these two shows?  If anything should be axed, it's another cheesy sitcom or cop show.
Futurama in Australia was aired sporadically at best.  I'm finding now that it's being released on dvd, more and more people are discovering it (and loving it).
A show is never good once it's been brought back?  That's network thinking!
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #39 on: 01-12-2004 17:07 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:Keeler was also much better on Futurama then on The Simpsons.  Godfellas in particular is just so much deeper and more expertly written then anything he did on The Simpsons, its quite a contrast really.  In fact Keeler wrote the first truly awful episode IMO ("The Principal and the Pauper" ), and many of his others (Two Bad Neighbors, A Star is Burns, even his THOH stuff) were relatively weaker as well (Groening even pulled his name off of A Star is Burns).

Yeah, but Groening didn't pull his name off A Star Is Burns because it was badly written as much as he did because it was a crossover concept that he disagreed with.

The Principal And The Pauper I remember very well. In the CGEF interview, Keeler even mentioned that he thought that was the best episode he ever wrote and acknowledged it's widely considered status as the "jump the shark" moment of The Simpsons. Is that what they think on the NHC?
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