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helpimchoking

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« on: 12-31-2003 15:08 »

Uh, i heard there really is cryogenics (sp?) lab. I think i heard it on here, i forget.
(f u forgot what 'cryogenics' means, its were they freeze people, like fry got frozen. Sum people just call it the lab.)
fools_captain
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« Reply #1 on: 12-31-2003 15:11 »

well cryogenics currently consists of taking a dead body, replacing the bodily fluids and leaving in liquid nitrogen. currently it's illegal to freeze someone who was alive at the start of the process (must be clinically dead)

there's no cryogenic tubes that one could happen to fall into  wink
QueenOfRobonia

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« Reply #2 on: 12-31-2003 15:12 »

Well I think they have invented Cryogenics but they havent found a way of unfreezing people without them dying, its not tested or anything I don't think.
fools_captain
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« Reply #3 on: 12-31-2003 15:15 »
« Last Edit on: 12-31-2003 15:15 »

at the moment the problem is mainly with 'freezer burn' or what is commonly known as cellular degridation, due to the ice crystals within the cell we as yet lack the ability to reanimate bodies.

cryogenics its-self has been around for the past twenty-odd years.
mazaite

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« Reply #4 on: 12-31-2003 15:38 »

The other problem is the factr that most Cryonics (the actual people freezing) "company's" don't actualy maintain their freezers, if they have them at all. Cryonics is not a legitimate buissness. But if you have asshole relatives who you don't want getting your money when you die, it's a good way of making sure they never get it. Cryonics firms are good at taking money.

And yes it's Cryonics, Cryogenics is simply the study and use of low temprature phenomina. That's why the Cryonics firm in SP3K was "Applied Cryogenics" Like Applied Physics or Applied Chemistry
Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #5 on: 12-31-2003 15:43 »

 
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Originally posted by mazaite:
The other problem is the factr that most Cryonics (the actual people freezing) "company's" don't actualy maintain their freezers, if they have them at all. Cryonics is not a legitimate buissness.

 So is that why Fry was able to be frozen for 1000 years unnoticed by the staff who worked there at the time?

1 of the gang

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« Reply #6 on: 12-31-2003 18:59 »

That would deffinatly make sence.

(I learn so much from you people!)
Gleno

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« Reply #7 on: 12-31-2003 23:46 »

 
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Originally posted by 1 of the gang:
That would deffinatly make sense

(I learn so much from you people!)

Even how to spell.... big grin

Pikka Bird

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« Reply #8 on: 01-01-2004 00:14 »

As far as I know, the problem with defreezing tissue is that they can't figure out a safe way to do it rapidly enough. If freezing is sufficiently swift, the tissue (or the fluid it contains) doesn't crystallize. But the same thing applies the other way round.
fools_capt'n: That's what they want us to believe.
QueenOfRobonia

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« Reply #9 on: 01-01-2004 01:47 »

Long thread short, they have it but they're so crap at it you die when they freeze you!
fools_captain
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« Reply #10 on: 01-01-2004 07:27 »
« Last Edit on: 01-01-2004 07:27 »

Pikka bird, it's (nearly) impossible to prevent the formation of cell-damaging ice crystals in the cells (as the volume of water within the cell exceeds the stp volume of the cell) this is the reason that the blood is replaced with glycerine-loaded liquids that replace the water with liquids that do less damage/ do not damage the cells upon freezing.

also it's illegal to try this process out on living subjects (for obvious reasons) and due to an innate revoltion in anything involving death (some people call it ethics but i call it stupidity)

if enough money and effort was made in this field we would have a working process, the only other option would be to instantly freeze someone at absolute-zero  (-298 celcius) as at this temp it's believed that no atomic movement can occur. Of course this is impossible, the immense problems involved in INSTANTLY freezing a subject of such mass as a human, for if the entire body was not subjected to such an instantaneous temp drop ice crystals would still be able to form.

long thread short:
law states you must be dead before freezing,
current 'available' technology does not allow survival after freezing,

verdict: double dead.
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