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Action Jacktion

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« on: 12-04-2003 14:37 »
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I don't know how I missed this, but the Environmental Media Association Awards were held about a month ago.  You might remember that "The Problem with Popplers" won a few years ago.  But this time, nominee "Crimes" lost to an episode of Futurama arch-enemy King of the Hill.

http://www.ema-online.org/awards_13th_annual.htm
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« Reply #1 on: 12-04-2003 14:40 »

That is a shame.  frown that episode was great. And what makes it even more humiliating is that it was koth Futurama lost to!
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« Reply #2 on: 12-04-2003 15:53 »

Stupid KOTH.  One more reason to hate that show.
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« Reply #3 on: 12-04-2003 15:53 »

That's stupid. KOTH is like, almost as bad as reality TV! And that was a pretty funny ep too!
Teral

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« Reply #4 on: 12-04-2003 15:58 »

The Futurama staff picked "The Problem With Popplers" as candidate themself, and it won.

The EMA suggested them to nominate "The Birdbot of Ice-Catraz" and it lost.

The EMA suggested them to nominate "Crimes Of The Hot" and it lost.

Morale of the story: when the EMA give you a suggestion, tell them to get lost!  big grin

Stupid KOTH. Tell them I hate them!
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« Reply #5 on: 12-04-2003 16:26 »

Oh yes, lets all hate King of the Hill.  After all, that show employs many of the voice actors from Futurama, and those people don't deserve to have jobs, do they?

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PCC Fred

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« Reply #6 on: 12-04-2003 18:01 »

Gotta go with David A.  I don't watch KOTH anymore, but I don't see how it can be blamed for Futurama's demise.  If KOTH hadn't been on over the last few years, something else besides Futurama would have taken it's timeslot.

And "Crimes of the Hot" was a lousy episode that got over-hyped because it guest-starred Al Gore.  I still haven't watched the DVD of the episode, in fact I made a point of skipping past it.
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« Reply #7 on: 12-04-2003 18:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
The Futurama staff picked "The Problem With Popplers" as candidate themself, and it won.

The EMA suggested them to nominate "The Birdbot of Ice-Catraz" and it lost.

The EMA suggested them to nominate "Crimes Of The Hot" and it lost.

Morale of the story: when the EMA give you a suggestion, tell them to get lost!   big grin

But then which other episode would Futurama have been able to pick for the nomination? They only do one environmentalist episode a Season.  hmpf
Teral

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« Reply #8 on: 12-04-2003 18:42 »

MOV, the "joke" (which I now know failed horribly  wink ) is that the EMA jinxed Futurama. No EMA meddling --> a win. EMA meddling in your stuff --> a loss.

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
Gotta go with David A.  I don't watch KOTH anymore, but I don't see how it can be blamed for Futurama's demise.  If KOTH hadn't been on over the last few years, something else besides Futurama would have taken it's timeslot.


I'm not blaming it for anything, I just don't like the show. Simple as that.

The fact that the show employ a grand total of two (Dave Herman and Lauren Tom) former Futurama cast members will not make me change my opinion, even the slightest. I'd gladly watch 10 "Family Guy" episodes than one KOTH episode. And I'm fairly apathetic about FG too.

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« Reply #9 on: 12-04-2003 18:47 »

I got the "joke" Teral, but I just felt like treating it like a debate instead.  tongue

 I guess they could've submitted Leela's Homeworld for it's fabulous portrayal of recycling (the underground balloon), waste disposal (Bender disposing of toxic waste) and animal rights (Bender clearing the set of Free Willy 3).  wink
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« Reply #10 on: 12-04-2003 18:53 »

How about "Kif Gets Knocked Up A Notch"? How much more 'back to nature' can you get than giving birth in a swamp.  big grin
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« Reply #11 on: 12-04-2003 18:56 »

Or "The Farnsworth Parabox" which teaches us to treat our universe with a great deal of care.  roll eyes
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« Reply #12 on: 12-04-2003 19:07 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Oh yes, lets all hate King of the Hill.  After all, that show employs many of the voice actors from Futurama, and those people don't deserve to have jobs, do they?
Using this logic, it would also mean that reality shows should not be wiped off the face of TV.  After all, we don't want the camera men filming that crap to lose their jobs, do we?

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« Reply #13 on: 12-04-2003 19:09 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
The fact that the show employ a grand total of two (Dave Herman and Lauren Tom) former Futurama cast members will not make me change my opinion, even the slightest.

What?  Billy West, Phil LaMarr, and Maurice LaMarche don't count?

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Mouse On Venus

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« Reply #14 on: 12-04-2003 19:12 »

And does Phil Hendrie count?
Teral

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« Reply #15 on: 12-04-2003 19:17 »

Phil Hendrie have a hugely popular radio show as his main income.

 
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Originally posted by David A:
 What?  Billy West, Phil LaMarr, and Maurice LaMarche don't count?


Apparently not to IMDb or the two KOTH fansites I visited.

Regardless, I still don't like KOTH.
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« Reply #16 on: 12-04-2003 19:23 »
« Last Edit on: 12-04-2003 19:23 »

They were just guest stars in a few episodes.  By that logic, we can't dislike just about every animated show, because they've all had someone from Futurama at some time.

     
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
If KOTH hadn't been on over the last few years, something else besides Futurama would have taken it's timeslot.
KotH did not take Futurama's time slot; it still has the (slightly) better time slot it had while Futurama was on, and it always received better treatment from Fox.

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
And "Crimes of the Hot" was a lousy episode that got over-hyped because it guest-starred Al Gore.  I still haven't watched the DVD of the episode, in fact I made a point of skipping past it.
But do you think KotH deserved to win instead?

Back on topic (I just shouldn't have mentioned the winner of the award), the final five broadcast episodes of Futurama are eligible to be nominated next year.  I guess "Obsoletely Fabulous" sort of has an 'environmental' message, more than the others, at least.

And in case you were wondering about other awards, the Commies will be announced in a few days, while the Annie and WGA Award nominations, which may include Futurama, should be announced next month.
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« Reply #17 on: 12-04-2003 20:01 »

I dunno whether or not KOTH deserved to win, as I said earlier, I stopped watching it a few years ago becasue I didn't think it was as good.

 
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Originally posted by Action Jackson:
KotH did not take Futurama's time slot; it still has the (slightly) better time slot it had while Futurama was on, and it always received better treatment from Fox.

So did just about every FOX show during the last couple of years.

Read my post again, I never said KOTH took Futurama's time slot.  What I said was that even if KOTH never existed, another show would have had it's timeslot, and Futurama would STILL have aired at 7pm, because FOX were determined to make it fail.
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« Reply #18 on: 12-04-2003 20:54 »

Yeah let's not blame KOTH here.  I don't like it personally but it did nothing to deserve all the bashing its getting here.  Blame the EMA judges, not KOTH itself if you must.

Anyways its a shame Crimes didn't win.  Was A Big Piece of Garbage nominated back in the day?
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« Reply #19 on: 12-04-2003 22:45 »

 
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Originally posted by PCC Fred:
Gotta go with David A.  I don't watch KOTH anymore, but I don't see how it can be blamed for Futurama's demise.

I don't blame KOTH for Futurama's demise, I just think the show sucks.  Lousy Futurama is better than "good" KOTH.

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« Reply #20 on: 12-05-2003 12:14 »
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Sadly, Futurama's cancellation probably had more than a little to do with it's loss.  If I'm giving an award, I would want to give it to a show that I could point to. 

And no, I don't watch or care about King of the Hill nor do I think it in any way contributed to Futurama's demise. I guess there are just more Bubbas (including the lion's share of FOX execs) out there who prefer a show that even a semi-literate monkey can follow to one with math and physics jokes in it.

My nominee would have been Obsoletely Fabulous.  What greater environmental message can you ask for than that which we throw away will eventually come back bent on destroying us.

Plus - I still smile whenever I think of Leela's line: "Good lord - he's made of wood."
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« Reply #21 on: 12-05-2003 13:00 »

I pointed out above that the final five broadcast episodes, including "Obsoletely Fabulous," will be eligible next year.
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« Reply #22 on: 12-05-2003 13:51 »

Tell KOTH I hate them.
Sil

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« Reply #23 on: 12-05-2003 15:02 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
Yeah let's not blame KOTH here.  I don't like it personally but it did nothing to deserve all the bashing its getting here.  Blame the EMA judges, not KOTH itself if you must.

Anyways its a shame Crimes didn't win.  Was A Big Piece of Garbage nominated back in the day?

Doesn't say on the EMA site - only goes back to 2000 when The Problem With Popplers won.

Gotta say though, much as I dislike KOTH and/or Futurama losing, TPWP is far superior to Bird-bot and Crimes of the Hot.  They're both good episodes too, but Problem With Popplers is one of the best episodes regardless of the environmental connoitation, IMO.

Anyway....
Award winners pre-2000? Anyone?

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« Reply #24 on: 12-05-2003 15:11 »

Dang it I just hate other animated shows getting the one-up on Futurama, especially when it beats 'em all.
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« Reply #25 on: 12-05-2003 18:10 »

why would obsoletely fabulous be a good choice its about accepting technolgy
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« Reply #26 on: 12-05-2003 18:14 »

Accepting more efficient forms of technology. Remember that Robot 1-X runs on pollution and emits pine air freshener.
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« Reply #27 on: 12-05-2003 20:22 »

I don't blame KOTH, I just hate the show regardless of Futurama losing to it  tongue
PCC Fred

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« Reply #28 on: 12-05-2003 21:14 »

At last, someone with the proper attitude.  smile
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« Reply #29 on: 12-06-2003 00:00 »

 
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Originally posted by Sil:
 
Anyway....
Award winners pre-2000? Anyone?


IMDB might be able to help actually, as the list awards (but it might be only for each show, as opposed to a list of everything that has ever won a  particular award).  Anyways, all I can give you is the two that The Simpsons won.  First for "Two Cars in Every Garage, Three Eyes on Every Fish" which was a perfect choice, and "Bart's Elephant" which I think might be a bit of a stretch.

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« Reply #30 on: 12-06-2003 00:08 »

Are these awards given to episodes with environmental themes, or do they go to episodes that are positive towards the environment?  Futurama episodes don't usually end nicely for the environment!
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« Reply #31 on: 12-06-2003 00:10 »

 
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Originally posted by bankrupt:
Are these awards given to episodes with environmental themes, or do they go to episodes that are positive towards the environment?  Futurama episodes don't usually end nicely for the environment!


Well, I doubt the ending had anything to do with it losing.  Its the basic message that counts, not whether its cynical or not or whatever.  I think as long as it raises awareness of environmental issues it works.  And in the case of all the Futurama environmental episodes the cynical endings were part of a generally pro-environment message.
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« Reply #32 on: 12-06-2003 09:04 »

What was so environmental about "The Problem with Popplers" anyway?  I thought that that episode was about not eating babies.
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« Reply #33 on: 12-06-2003 09:08 »

We learn that it's wrong to eat certain things. So there.  cool

I have a bong to pick with TPWP anyway. If Free Waterfall Jr. was a vegetarian, why was he so fat?  confused
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« Reply #34 on: 12-06-2003 09:41 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
We learn that it's wrong to eat certain things. So there.   cool

And that makes it environmental how?
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« Reply #35 on: 12-06-2003 09:48 »

 
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
I have a bong to pick with TPWP anyway. If Free Waterfall Jr. was a vegetarian, why was he so fat?   confused

Because the only thing funnier than a smelly hippie is a fat smelly hippie.
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« Reply #36 on: 12-06-2003 09:50 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
 And that makes it environmental how?

Don't ask me, I didn't write it.  roll eyes
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« Reply #37 on: 12-06-2003 11:22 »
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Originally posted by Mouse On Venus:
I have a bong to pick with TPWP anyway. If Free Waterfall Jr. was a vegetarian, why was he so fat?    confused

Lots of sugar, potato chips, french freedom fries and other oily stuff.

Wasn't TPWP about animal cruelty (they're eating the popplers alive) and stuff? That makes it enviromental, it doesn't have to be about polution and cutting down the rainforest every time.
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« Reply #38 on: 12-06-2003 11:41 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
Wasn't TPWP about animal cruelty (they're eating the popplers alive) and stuff? That makes it enviromental...

Not really.  Animal cruelty and environmentalism are seperate issues.
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« Reply #39 on: 12-06-2003 14:08 »

Well, perhaps the EMA encapsulates all aspects of being an annoying hippie but they thought it was better to have a shorter, catchier name than AC&EMA.
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