Svip
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Smart humour? How is that joke in any way smart?
'Hey, let's name a character voiced by someone else after another voice actor, then have that voice actor address the character's name by calling it stupid, essentially calling his own name stupid!'
Not really a smart joke.
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DannyJC13
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More of a tiny fourth wall break.
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Xanfor
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More of a tiny fourth wall break. It could have been done much more clevererlyer.
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Svip
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« Reply #404 on: 12-29-2011 17:51 »
« Last Edit on: 12-29-2011 17:54 »
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Lets just leave it at our own opinions.
Thinking a joke is good or bad is our own opinions. Whether a joke is smart is not opinion, but fact. And that joke was not smart. More of a tiny fourth wall break.
You are too liberal with the term 'fourth wall'. Breaking the fourth wall means to actually address the audience. Otherwise it is either a meta-joke and/or an inside joke. We have different terms for a reason. Let's not abuse their meaning.
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DannyJC13
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You make a good point, Svip (throughout your entire post, actually, but I shall only quote this snippet for the sake of length). The Billy West line is not only a meta joke--it's also somewhat of an inside joke. The writers seem to have kept it not because it does the episode or the fans a great service, but because it got a lot of laughs in the writers' room. And such self-indulgence is a no-no, I think.
WHAT?! The day my show is controlled by the fans is the day I quit. (I'm not saying I'm going to have a show, I'm just saying, if it was me...) Sure you can alter a few things for the fans, but when you have to change everything until they all say "WE LIKE IT", that's just wrong. Then all shows would be the same. You have to break boundries and do things that people do not like sometimes...
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Xanfor
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You are too liberal with the term 'fourth wall'. Breaking the fourth wall means to actually address the audience. Otherwise it is either a meta-joke and/or an inside joke. We have different terms for a reason. Let's not abuse their meaning. Actually, the term we are looking for is actor allusion.
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Svip
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You make a good point, Svip (throughout your entire post, actually, but I shall only quote this snippet for the sake of length). The Billy West line is not only a meta joke--it's also somewhat of an inside joke. The writers seem to have kept it not because it does the episode or the fans a great service, but because it got a lot of laughs in the writers' room. And such self-indulgence is a no-no, I think.
WHAT?! The day my show is controlled by the fans is the day I quit.
That was not what Gorky said at all. You are correct that fans should never control a show. Writers should avoid taking ideas and suggestions from fans, but not be completely oblivious of them. But writers should not write for themselves, they should write for their audience. Being a good writer is to know what to deliver, when to put your own humour aside for general appreciation. I often work on the writing of sketches, and while there are things I and my fellow writers find hilarious, we may realise that A) it may not work in production and/or B) the audience may not find it as funny. If we do either one of those, we cut the joke. I would assume that Futurama's writers knew the same thing. But I guess not.
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Svip
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There is nothing wrong with cramming his name into the show. But the way it was lampshaded ruined the joke.
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Svip
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But that did not give you permission to be a total dick.
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Svip
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But that did not give you permission to be a total dick.
But it's so fun!
We are sure going to be laughing when you are banned. At least there will be a happy ending. You won't be missed.
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mattchoo8008
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If I was Bender, I would tell Freako " to kiss my shiny, mental ass".
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Xanfor
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Surely it was both an actor allusion and a meta joke? An actor allusion is a form of meta joke. The particular line which we are discussing was a disappointment not because it wasn't somewhat humorous, but because it had a great deal of potential as a meta-reference/actor allusion yet was wasted on simple self-depreciation.
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mattchoo8008
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I think the lamest line is in the episode of Law and Oracle. When Bender and Leela are going to the planet Pandora, Leela says to Bender "so, your a robot".
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mattchoo8008
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That line has really no value or point in my opinion.
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mattchoo8008
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Now that you guys taught me what that line means, I like that line and I think it's funny.
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