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Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #40 on: 07-14-2003 09:01 »

I totally agree with Alexvilagosh that 4acv is weak.  But for me, the season is a very strange mixed bag.  The good episodes are the absolute best in the whole series, and the bad episodes are the absolute worst.  The problem is, I find that there are more bad episodes than good.  But, as said, we got a number of absolutely terrific episodes, too.  I would have liked to see Futurama renewed for another season or two.  The really good episodes make it worthwhile.  Also, I would like to know if this a temporary or permanent bad streak.  And people, don't tell me that 4acv is the absolute best season ever.  You're not going to sway my opinion.  On the whole, 3acv was my absolute favorite season. I agree that 4acv is already starting to show signs of weakness.  By the way, I love the shippyness in the recent episodes.  I don't understand how anybody could find it annoying.  I absolutely love it!

And one more thing.  I would really like to see a movie, and I firmly believe that it could work, as long as it's written and executed right.  I mean, take a look at the South Park movie.  It was really good, and it really does feel like a movie, and not a very long episode.  I'm sure DXC and MG can make a Futurama movie work.  So if there were a movie, I'm completely sure that it'd rock.   
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #41 on: 07-14-2003 09:21 »

I agree with Evil Fox Exec, except I happen to like 4ACV the best, but that's not my point.  He is right that these good eps are some of the best and the bad ones are some of th worst.  I really love it because I am a shipper and there still is a great deal of jokes in the episodes.  If they can put shippyness and great jokes in one episode, which they did, I will love it.

I also agree with the movie, but I think the major problem is if fox would supply it and if the movie wil be popular enough.
aussie dude

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« Reply #42 on: 07-14-2003 10:30 »

as much as i hate to see it end prematurely (i still think we could get 2 more seasons out of it) i would rather see it go now than fadein to obscurity and have new people watch the show and not understand why we all love it cause they only saw the crap ones. I do think there is way to much shippyness and i also think a movie would be great, 1 to tie up some lose ends and also ending in a way that still leaves us with some hope, like for instance at the very end fry gets frozen again (just to leave that hope in our mind that they may be back)
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #43 on: 07-14-2003 12:26 »

what do you mean "Fry gets frozen again"?
aussie dude

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« Reply #44 on: 07-14-2003 12:48 »

what i mean is they could leave it that he and the crew go into suspended animation (for some reason the writers would make up) then the show could always be brought back because it didnt give absolute closure. Sorry the last bit of the post was just meant as an example of what they could do so the show could carry on in our imaginations and fanfics
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #45 on: 07-14-2003 12:50 »

Ohh, good idea.
Oni Zyxer

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« Reply #46 on: 07-14-2003 23:47 »

That's an awesome idea. Maybe just Fry though...
evan

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« Reply #47 on: 07-15-2003 00:07 »

I've put some thought into it, and I agree with Evil Fox Exec on this one, about the 4acv season. It's a very hard season to judge, because it has been spread out over a year and a half, but I'm coming to his same conclusions. The good 4acv episodes are great ("The Sting," "Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles," "Love and Rocket," "The Why of Fry"...), but the bad are really weak ("Kif Get Knocked Up a Notch," "Less Than Hero," "Three Hundred Big Boys"...)

The question is now this: did "Futurama" actually jump the shark, or is 4acv just an abberation? Perhaps some people are right, and the quality is going down. However, it was never stated that all seasons must be increasingly funnier than the last. Because of Fox's bone-headed decisions, we'll never find out whether this was just an unlucky streak or not.

::crosses fingers for "Devil's Hands...", hoping that it'll be great::

Honestly, I don't see this thread surviving long, but here's hoping.
alexvilagosh

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« Reply #48 on: 07-15-2003 05:00 »

 
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...I totally agree with Alexvilagosh...
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Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #49 on: 07-15-2003 09:07 »

Hm, I don't know if it could be said that Futurama jumped the shark.  Certainly, there have been a large number of bad episode in the 4acv block.  But, as said, there have been a number of excellent, too.  The good ones like The Sting, The Why of Fry, etc. are the only saving factors.  If those episodes weren't there, I would most certainly say that Futurama jumped the shark.  So, in my eyes it seems that Futurama is teetering at the edge of the aquarium, getting ready to jump the shark, but hasn't quite done it yet.  As said, those few good episodes are untimately preventing it from jumping.  Evan, do you think that Futurama jumped the shark? 
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #50 on: 07-15-2003 09:26 »

I don't think it jumped the shark, these are the last episodes.  It taks a while for them to settle in and for you to actually see them on he same level as 1ACV or 2ACV or 3ACV episodes.  Also the staff is trying to wrap it up with just these few episodes.  I still find major quality in the show unlike anything else.  Jokes are still great, plots are rising, but that's because there are so few episodes left.  Futurama could last many more seasons.
evan

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« Reply #51 on: 07-15-2003 15:11 »

Evil Fox Exec:

Honestly, we can never find out if the show really did jump the shark. Because we're stuck with what we have, we only have an incomplete picture of "Futurama." Maybe, after all, the three remaining Bender episodes and "Devil's Hands..." will all be 5 star classics. Until we see the remaining episodes, then I honestly can't say. Maybe this season is just an abberation, and maybe season 5acv would have been a lot better. We won't know, unfortunately.

This is not going to be a popular opinion, but I agree that "Futurama" is readying for its great big shark jump. We have one of the first signs of shark-jumping straight ahead (two characters falling in love, finally). I hope it veers off and doesn't jump, but I really need to see the rest of the episodes to decide.

Tell you what. I'll come back to this thread August 11th and tell you my opinion.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #52 on: 07-16-2003 08:33 »

Cool, I'm not the only one that thinks Futurama is about to jump the shark  smile.  I don't understand these people who go around saying 4acv is the best thing ever.  On one hand it's frustrating that Futurama's cancelled and there's nothing we can do about it, but on the other hand, the fact that I found most 4acv episodes really bad helps me deal with it better.  But as you said, this season may just be an abboration.  There are to many what if's, and not enough answers.

I find it strange that you think that Futurama would've been about to jump the shark due to Fry and Leela falling in love.  I think it's jumping the shark simply due to bad writing and poorly developed plots.  I'm just wondering what the hell happened in 4acv.  Did all the writers get tired or something?  And I'm not getting most of this risqué humor that MG was talking about.  I noticed that the types of sex/toilet humor in 4acv appeals to my 13 year old sister, but not to me (I'm 18).  This is why I think Futurama's about to jump the shark.  But, okay, you're right.  I guess we'll just have to discuss this on or after August 11 so that the both of us have a better picture. 
reverend

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« Reply #53 on: 07-16-2003 08:57 »

What the hell is shippiness?
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #54 on: 07-16-2003 09:01 »
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I didn't know either, but then somebody (I don't remember who) explained what a shipper is a few months or so back.  It's short for relationshippers.  In other words, somebody who wants two characters to have a relationship.  Don't worry, I was also confused about what that word meant for a very long time.  So shippiness, I guess, would be the two characters actually getting together. 
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #55 on: 07-16-2003 09:07 »

Took me about two days to figure that out.   I used to think it was heavy realationship wanting people, and only heavy, then I realized it could be anyone who wanted them to ahve a relationship.  Now I have to call myself one  smile  But seeing Fry try to win Leela's heart is still great to see.  One of the best parts of Futurama. 

Anywho, I still think it could last many more seasons, I bet it could've lasted more than the Simpsons without turning sour.  Even if it did turn sour I'd still watch.  You bet your shiny metal ass I would.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #56 on: 07-16-2003 09:12 »

It only took you two day?  Man, I'm impressed, it took me several months!  At first, I thought it had to do with the PE ship.  But then that never made sense in context.  So I just gave up.
reverend

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« Reply #57 on: 07-16-2003 09:12 »

Thanks Evil Fox Exec (it feels weird writing that). It's weird. I'm in a relatrionship but I don't like to see them develop on screen. Not in Futurama anyway. Frasier was ruined when Niles and Daphne got together. And that wasn't in Futurama, I know.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #58 on: 07-16-2003 09:15 »

Yeah, I agree, Even though I'm a shipper (hah!  There's that word again!) I wouldn't want to see Fry and Leela in an actual relationship for an extended period of time.  It's much more interesting to have Fry forever trying to impress Leela and win her heart over.  Those episodes all feature a lot of character developement.  If the two got married, than that would have to definently be a jump the shark moment!
SwanMan3000

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« Reply #59 on: 07-16-2003 09:18 »

i think they shud get Fry and Leela married, it sounds crap but it could be good. Fry cud also be sad for a while becus all of his family are died so wouldnt be able to come to his marriage...
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #60 on: 07-16-2003 09:22 »

Who knows, the writers and whoever showed me something I've never seenin a show before, it's possible, if the show kept going, to not get sour wiith them getting together.  It's only one part of the show.  But yeah, I also rather see Leela falling for him as he trys to win her heart more than them together. 

It only took me two days cause I joined (or lurked) around the time of TWOF, so when I read the reviews, I learned that when people said "since i'm a shipper i loved the last part". i put the pieces together and I won!
Anarchist

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« Reply #61 on: 07-16-2003 09:33 »

Why do you people have so little faith in the Futurama writing staff? Yes, a relationship between two main characters did ruin quite a few shows, but honestly, Futurama has the best writing staff EVER. For a cartoon, at least; although I can't think of a live-action sitcom with a better writing staff than this. If anyone can pull off an ongoing relationship between Fry and Leela without ruining the show, it's them, and I believe it's quite possible. As long as it's a running sideplot rather than the centerpoint of the show (as it has been the whole time), it can contribute to the show without dragging it down.
Futurama had AT LEAST 2-3 great seasons left in it. Yes, 4ACV had a few weak episodes in it, but you can't expect it all to be perfect, and you can't expect it to please everybody. You say "300 Big Boys was a poor episode" like it's a known fact. There are quite a few people who really enjoyed that episode! Sure, it wasn't one of the best, but the concept of "the best" is that a few episodes stand out and are even better than all the rest.
Futurama did not jump the shark, and it wasn't about to.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #62 on: 07-16-2003 09:39 »

4acv had more than a few weak episodes, in my opinion.  And I don't care if there are people out there who like 300 Big Boys.  I like A Pharoah to Remember and The Cryonic Woman a whole, but does that necessarily mean they're good episodes?  It depends on the person.  I don't like most of 4acv at all (except obviously for episodes like Jurassic Bark, The Sting, and others).
Anarchist

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« Reply #63 on: 07-16-2003 09:46 »

Now take those "weak" episodes and compare them to another show. Are they still "weak", or were you simply spoiled by Futurama's usual stellar quality, that anything less would be "weak"? The season as a whole didn't suck. Every show has short periods of below-standard episodes; it doesn't mean it's a continuing trend.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #64 on: 07-16-2003 09:56 »

I repeated several times already that it doesn't mean it's a continuing trend.  We will never know for sure, unless we plan a hostile takeover of Fox and get Futurama renewed.
Anarchist

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« Reply #65 on: 07-16-2003 09:59 »

What, you mean we don't already have one planned? In that case, we have work to do.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #66 on: 07-16-2003 10:00 »

Cool!  Who's buying the guns?
SwanMan3000

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« Reply #67 on: 07-16-2003 10:37 »

ill do that, got quite a bit of petrol aswell. anyone know any terrerrist groups?
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #68 on: 07-16-2003 10:42 »

I agree with Anarchist.  If anyone can have two characters date or whatever and still keep the show going it's Futurama.

Oh, I'll bring my team of mighty aggresive skateboarders! (really, there are some skateboarders at my competitons that could really beat a buliding down)
evan

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« Reply #69 on: 07-16-2003 17:00 »

Back to jumping the shark:

Most shows are in danger of jumping the shark when the following things happen: someone gets married, someone dies, there is a sudden change in cast, or the cast moves to a different location. Fry and Leela getting together fulfills criteria 1. I'm not saying that the show is slipping, I'm saying that it's in the position to slip. I really want to see the final few episodes before I feel concrete about it.
canned eggs

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« Reply #70 on: 07-16-2003 22:01 »

This isn't the topic I had originally meant to discuss, but the thread has taken on a life of its own, and I'm glad so many people are interested, despite the occasional warnings of impending closure.  But here's my position on the romance/shark jumping issue:

The Fry/Leela romance was the establishing arc of the entire Futurama story.  I think it's awfully pessimistic to expect the staff to handle it so lightly as to bring Fry and Leela together in some arbitrary episode and then be left with nothing to do.  This is what people expected the X-Files to do, and they never did, they faded for other reasons.  Similarly, the most crucial thing to Futurama as a story of Fry & Leela is to continue the tension of Fry trying to get Leela, and Leela not having any of it.  If the producers hadn't had specific knowledge that the show was ending, we wouldn't even be talking about this, because there's no way they would just end that tension by bringing Fry and Leela together.  Even "Devils's Hands," I guarantee you, will be more or less open-ended in exactly this respect.  So the show is no more in a position to jump the shark than it's ever been, despite recent shippiness.

But even those of you who disagree, and think the show has already peaked and begun coasting downhill have probably got to admit that it went out still pretty close to the top.  I would be surprised if anyone had the kind of feeling of watching something obsolete and sad that some recent Simpsons episodes inspire.  But maybe that's because the Simpsons has been sliding for as long as Futurama has existed.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #71 on: 07-16-2003 22:43 »

I surely don't think Futurama is going downhill but some people do and even then it still is the best show on television.  And yes, I don't think Fry and Leela are actually going to get togeher in Devil's Hands... but maybe decide to go out or something.
Anarchist

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« Reply #72 on: 07-16-2003 22:44 »

They already did agree to go out on at least one occasion, although that hasn't really been followed up.
Hulkbuster

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« Reply #73 on: 07-16-2003 23:10 »

Its not going downhill, its as good as ever and it will always be perfect so shut up and leave me alone *cries*.
Anarchist

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« Reply #74 on: 07-16-2003 23:15 »

Do I smell sarcasm, denial, or some intricate mix of the two?
aussie dude

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« Reply #75 on: 07-16-2003 23:52 »

i find the show is getting to have too much shippiness and that if that were a sign of things to come then i am think the show would have been close to jumping the shark and i would hate  to see that happen to another great show.
Anarchist

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« Reply #76 on: 07-17-2003 00:23 »
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Yay! Anti-shippers! Diversity is a good thing.
reverend

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« Reply #77 on: 07-17-2003 04:15 »

 
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ill do that, got quite a bit of petrol aswell. anyone know any terrerrist groups?

Hey, careful! One more like that and the government wil shut us down, the CIA and FBI will come round to your house, and all Futurama episodes will be watched closely by 'intelligence' experts for hidden subversive meanings. On the other hand, the surge in popularity for the show may persuade FOX to renew it. Who wants to sacrifice their freedom for Futurama? Anyone for a trip to Guantanamo Bay?
SwanMan3000

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« Reply #78 on: 07-17-2003 05:20 »

i'll come. Can i bring petrol?
aussie dude

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« Reply #79 on: 07-17-2003 06:53 »

 
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 Hey, careful! One more like that and the government wil shut us down, the CIA and FBI will come round to your house, and all Futurama episodes will be watched closely by 'intelligence' experts for hidden subversive meanings.

Mabe theyll also close down fox then we can have a good laugh (like the one fox will be denying us) and lets all bring petrol
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