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SwanMan3000

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« on: 06-15-2003 06:41 »

Whos better Matt Groaning or David X Cohen, personally i prefere David X i fail to see wat Groaning actually does........
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« Reply #1 on: 06-15-2003 07:06 »

I`ll go with David X too. What is it that Groening acctualy does?. David X cohen said in a audio commentary or interwiev that he (cohen), has one writer team. And Ken Keeler the other writer team.
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« Reply #2 on: 06-15-2003 07:26 »

Groening owns Curiosity (the company which made Futurama). So I believe he has his hands full with corporate work; in fact, I believe in one of the interviews he had he said he doesn't have time to work with The Simpsons as much because of it.

And it's Groening, not Groaning.
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« Reply #3 on: 06-15-2003 07:29 »

 
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Originally posted by mads:
What is it that Groening acctualy does?

Well, he kind of did design all the characters, think of the idea...  smile
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« Reply #4 on: 06-15-2003 07:29 »
« Last Edit on: 06-15-2003 07:29 »

Yes offcourse. i had forgotten about that interwiev, but remember it now.
dr_Dean_in _Oz

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« Reply #5 on: 06-15-2003 07:38 »

i cant believe you guys! What does matt do?
Gee i dunno maybe create the show?!
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« Reply #6 on: 06-15-2003 08:34 »

David X., Matt hasn't even seen willy wonka and the chocolate factory.
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« Reply #7 on: 06-15-2003 10:44 »

I don't know anything about it, but I'm thinking it may be that Groening doesn't (er....didn't) do much in regards to writing and the story department.  But I bet he was much more involved in the technical aspects of the show, such as the actual animation process itself.
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« Reply #8 on: 06-15-2003 11:28 »

second
Hedgecore

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« Reply #9 on: 06-15-2003 11:31 »

Since Groening doesnt do anything on the simpsons and futurama anymore id say cohen
Australian Guy

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« Reply #10 on: 06-15-2003 11:45 »

Not even futurama? Groening is the face of th simpsons. But Cohen has been there since the begining.
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« Reply #11 on: 06-15-2003 13:29 »

Groening rules because if it wasn't for him, there wouldn't be a Futurama. But I pick Cohen for his awesome input into the show, I belive he played a large part making it what it is, and also he wrote 'The Why of Fry'  smile
SwanMan3000

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« Reply #12 on: 06-15-2003 15:20 »

David X cohen is a quality guy and very funny. U say Matt designed all the characters.....theres 4 seasons. So all the work matt groening did was done before the show...in my opinion the show is great because of the excellent humour and great writing, if futurama was in any other style in my opinion it would still be good.....and he cant even draw the cartoons to the same level as it is on tv. im pretty sure any of us could have a better go.
I dont hate Groening i just think he got lucky. he got lucky with the simpsons and now it leads him to other better things i.e Futurama. The only thing he does on his own is that crappy hell thing which is funny enuf crap. i dont dislike him i just think David X is better.....does anyone no wat David X is goin on to do now?
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« Reply #13 on: 06-15-2003 15:50 »

I would compare this issue to an orchestra - groening is the conductor and cohen plays the first violin (I'm musician alright).
SwanMan3000

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« Reply #14 on: 06-15-2003 15:59 »

groening has absolutly no say over the song, David x controls the tempo, rythm and bass. David Cohen is the conductor Matt plays the triangle.........(obviously not a musician  smile )
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« Reply #15 on: 06-15-2003 16:13 »

So what does - I should say did - Matt do? Just management? I can't imagine that someone who created such a show like futurama doesn't - again didn't - want to have his hands in it (for example give story ideas, think of minor characters etc.)
SwanMan3000

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« Reply #16 on: 06-15-2003 16:19 »

well he didnt, the only reason they have him on the staff is cus it advertises the show more that half the people that watch it wouldnt have if it werent for him. his not even the only creater. he drew homer simpson with orange hair then makes alot of money. Good on him i say but he doesnt earn my respect
Teral

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« Reply #17 on: 06-15-2003 16:29 »

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    Originally posted by SwanMan3000:
    David X cohen is a quality guy and very funny. U say Matt designed all the characters.....theres 4 seasons. So all the work matt groening did was done before the show...in my opinion the show is great because of the excellent humour and great writing, if futurama was in any other style in my opinion it would still be good.....and he cant even draw the cartoons to the same level as it is on tv. im pretty sure any of us could have a better go.
    I dont hate Groening i just think he got lucky. he got lucky with the simpsons and now it leads him to other better things i.e Futurama. The only thing he does on his own is that crappy hell thing which is funny enuf crap. i dont dislike him i just think David X is better.....does anyone no wat David X is goin on to do now?

    Matt have never made a secret out of the fact that he has other people to do the animation and writing process. Why should he? It's clear for everybody that no single human could make it all happen.

    However the concept of Futurama is his!
    • He came up with the idea.
    • He contacted David Cohen and aksed if he wanted in on it.
    • He made the first crude sketches of all the main characters. He then handed them to professional artists, who cleaned up his work, and handed them back to Groening who then applied his personal touch to them.
    • He came up with the entire universe.
    • He and Cohen co-wrote the pilot-episode.
    • He and Cohen both sketched out the overlying plot-archs.
    He made Futurama, then he hired an extremely talented staff to make his vision come alive. Nothing wrong with that. If anything it shows he's a realist. Besides managing his own company probably take up most of his time, and he's way to occupied with administrative tasks to be involved in each and every episode.

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    « Reply #18 on: 06-15-2003 18:42 »

    And Groening sort of 'finetuned' the episodes by i.e. adding noises or certain animations (I'm thinking if things like squeaking noises of shoes or something). Both Groening and Cohen together made the show great. These two and many other people. I'm sure of some of them we never even have heard of.
    DotheBartman

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    « Reply #19 on: 06-15-2003 19:32 »

    In all fairness to Groening too, he also still came up with ideas throughout the run of the show, I think.  For instance, "Farnsworth Parobox" sounded like it was very loosely based on an idea Groening had.  Plus, like he was on Simpsons back in the 3/4-7 period, and even somewhat now, he was always a "grounding" influence on the show, letting the writers, etc know what they can and can't do.  If both shows followed his rules more closely, they'd both be better.

    But basically, they're a team.  You can't have one without the other, in terms of this show, and still have it work.  So, I can't really vote, because without either one, there'd be no show.
    boingo2000

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    « Reply #20 on: 06-15-2003 19:35 »

    Cohen gets more respect from me in the world of straight Futurama.  But overall, I gotta go with Groening, 'cause he's mastheading Simpsons, Futurama, and Life In Hell (everyone forgets Life In Hell), and none of them suck.  Well, we could argue about Simpsons, I guess, but I maintain it doesn't SUCK, it's just not what it was.
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    « Reply #21 on: 06-16-2003 03:27 »

    I haven't forgotten Life In Hell! I read The Big Book Of Hell ages ago and loved it  smile

    Without Groening there would be no Futurama, so he's sort of the most important, but in terms of input into the episodes you have to go with Cohen.
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    « Reply #22 on: 06-16-2003 03:31 »
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    Cohen, i dont really like Matts drawing style and without Cohen there would be no futurama. If Groening rejected Cohens idea he probably would of taken it to someone else and contniued production.
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    « Reply #23 on: 06-16-2003 03:51 »

    Groening and Cohen are sorta like Jerry and George and their pilot episode of their show about nothing.

    And when Fox got involved they were similar in more way than one.
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    « Reply #24 on: 06-16-2003 03:56 »
    « Last Edit on: 06-16-2003 03:56 »

       
    Quote
    Originally posted by SwanMan300:
    ...i fail to see wat Groaning(sic!) actually does.......

       
    Quote
    Originally posted by mads:
     What is it that Groening acctualy does?.

    Audio commentaries?    evil laugh

     
    Best. Question(s). Ever. 


    Pittzoid

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    « Reply #25 on: 06-16-2003 04:27 »

    does anyone know how much Groening earns?
    i rekon hed be a millionaire but how much of a millionaire?
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    « Reply #26 on: 06-16-2003 05:11 »

    I'd have to say that Groening would be pretty rich. After all, he created the most popular animation franchise ever.

    Anyway, Futurama wouldn't exist without Groening, and it wouldn't exist without Cohen either, but I'd have to say that even though Groening created the characters, it was Cohen who developed them to the extent they're at now, and Cohen seems to have a lot more input in to the storyline side of Futurama.
    Carbito

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    « Reply #27 on: 06-16-2003 05:22 »

    Matt, he is came up with the entire concept for Futurama!
    zoidyzoid

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    « Reply #28 on: 06-16-2003 05:30 »

    Yeah, but like I said, if you go by input into the episodes Cohen is much more important. Either way, without both of them we wouldn't have Futurama as we know it today.
    SwanMan3000

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    « Reply #29 on: 06-16-2003 05:54 »

    Firstly teral when did i say it was a secret that Matt didnt do the whole show, i also never said he did the whole show single handedly i just said i thought Chohen is much better and does more. I think cohen gets over looked by everybody and Matt gets all the praise (other than by real fans of the show) Personally Bender, Zoidberg etc are funny because of their:
    - voices
    - what they say
    - Their personality

    Not the way they are drawn. If they had irises it wouldnt effect the show. The simpsons are also great because of the take on life the only real thing Matt ever did intensively was the tracy ulman show which in my opinion is laughable and how it ever became anything as big as the simpsons (arguably the best show ever) is amazing in my opinion.
    again im not saying i dislike matt just compared to cohen he is second which if ive learnt anything from Futurama is a fancy word for loser.

    ezy234

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    « Reply #30 on: 06-16-2003 05:59 »

    Not been out much lately then chaps, you'll all be argueing who's best out of your mum and dad next!
    Pittzoid

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    « Reply #31 on: 06-16-2003 06:04 »

    gotta be my mum
    then again my dad does have some good qualities...
    SwanMan3000

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    « Reply #32 on: 06-16-2003 06:11 »

    dad does more, ill say hes more of a chello
    ezy234

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    « Reply #33 on: 06-16-2003 06:11 »

    I vote for dad, but then it wouldn't have happened if my mu.. well i'm not sure now, dad gets my vote
    SwanMan3000

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    « Reply #34 on: 06-16-2003 06:16 »

    i mean ur dad did all the work at the start dint he?
    mads

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    « Reply #35 on: 06-16-2003 06:18 »

    Groening is an executive producer that sais it all.
    SwanMan3000

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    « Reply #36 on: 06-16-2003 06:28 »

    wat that he sits on his arse and does f*ck all?
    mads

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    « Reply #37 on: 06-16-2003 12:10 »

    He does much, why dont you conntact him, or visit the simpsons studio, or his office and ask him?
    SwanMan3000

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    « Reply #38 on: 06-16-2003 12:12 »

    ok yer ill meet u there, then we can have a tea party with the President k? (that last bit is actually scarily likely)
    mads

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    « Reply #39 on: 06-16-2003 12:13 »

    Well you could try to conntact the president too?
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