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OC_James

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« on: 04-29-2003 09:31 »
« Last Edit on: 04-29-2003 09:31 »

When The Simpsons goes off air Matt Groening will never have anything to do with FOX again, considering that he's mad they cancelled Futurama which still had tons of emotional, humorous, and just downright well-done episodes left while he's forced to do the Simpsons which he admits has lost it's touch in recent years. This is when FOX's spiral into severe rating falls will begin. They will lose many viewers whom most of which only watched for The Simpsons or Futurama. Malcom in the Middle can't last forever ,neither can That 70's Show. KotH will disappear as well. FOX ,which will try airing as many horrible reality-shows as possible, will just disappear from the network channels and UPN will eventually become more popular than FOX ever was. (which isn't saying much) And one day while I'm watching a Futurama DVD with my son and on the commentary they mention FOX and my son asks "What's FOX?", I will reply, "It was sort of like TV hell, the only good things they ever had were mindlessly destroyed or worn out."
Grim

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« Reply #1 on: 04-29-2003 09:39 »

I think its more likely that when the simpsons dies, matt groenings TV shows will die.

Fox is a huge corporation, and they will always attract new TV shows, as they are the only ones willing to fund them, albeit how crappy they are. After the simpsons dies, there will be a new cartoon to take its place, and after futurama being a flop (through no fault of its own mind u) groening wont have the chance to take this position.

Fox wont die, its got money.
tooslow2go

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« Reply #2 on: 04-29-2003 10:37 »

 
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Originally posted by Grim:
I think its more likely that when the simpsons dies, matt groenings TV shows will die.


Hi everybody,

I think that it is possible for Matt to possibly sign with another network. Other networks arn't stupid like Fox. They can see what The simpsons have done for Fox's ratings, and what Futurama had done for CN ratings. I think that someone else (possibley a smaller netowrk) would jump at the cahnce to use Matt's ideas.
Anarchist

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« Reply #3 on: 04-29-2003 11:35 »

FOX can't kill Groening. Even money-hungry corporate scum recognize a comedy god when they see one. Anybody who knows anything about how TV programming works knows that Futurama was never given a chance. The Simpsons alone will get Groening a job any time, anywhere in the TV business. FOX, on the other hand, will shed the last of its former coolness (remember back in the days when FOX was the coolest network on television?) and will become a second-rate network that will live off reality shows and lackluster daytime programming. They won't die, but they will never have any respect or credibility from young, open-minded, non-braindead public who used to love them for shows like The Simspsons, Futurama, Family Guy, The Critic, etc. They turned their back on this public, and for that, they will never be forgiven. The sad part is, the execs over at FOX don't even realize this...
CyberKnight

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« Reply #4 on: 04-29-2003 14:47 »

I think they do, actually, but they don't give a damn. (PR always ignores/masks the obvious (see Iraqi Information Minister)).

Respect was more important when they were setting up the network. Now that they're there, the only thing that matters is the moolah. Even if a reality TV show brings in half the audience than a scripted show but at an eigth the cost, that still appears as a major profit on the balance sheets.
OC_James

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« Reply #5 on: 04-29-2003 16:26 »

They should have more respect for Groening. He carried the entire station on his back in the late 80's and early 90's and got them where they are today (financially and in ratings), so the VERY least they could've done was renew Futurama for a couple of more seasons instead of trying to hide it from the public. Typical FOX. Genius dies while stupidity lives on.
Anarchist

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« Reply #6 on: 04-29-2003 17:38 »

Common decensy and corporate scum simply do not mix. It was Groening's fault for trusting them for so long in the first place.
Shadowstar

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« Reply #7 on: 04-29-2003 17:47 »

FOX keeps getting Groening to sign up more Simpsons seasons. They were going to end now, but FOX got them to make two more seasons, even though the episodes they're making now aren't that great, and they're scraping the bottom of the barrell with plots.
Killerfox

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« Reply #8 on: 04-29-2003 19:48 »

FOX is stupid, Matt has gotten mad over the years but just doesent say anything but FOX caqncelling Futurama will be the last one Matt will just refuce to work with fox anymore and will go with another networt that aint stupid.
Anarchist

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« Reply #9 on: 04-29-2003 19:53 »

We can only hope. The way these deals work, they just might pull some "we own your soul" crap on him. They are evil, greedy, money-hungry, soulless bastards, but they're not stupid. They're aware of the respect Groening commands, and they're aware of the damage it would do to them if he went to another network. They'll do all they can to keep that from happening.
getak2003

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« Reply #10 on: 04-29-2003 22:35 »

big corperations remind me of a show i once watched called rocko's modern life where there was a massive corperation called conglomo and do you know what it's slogan was? "we own you" which is exaxctly what those evil trolls in the corperate laywer department write into every show contract. if they can't hold onto Matt, they will keep his shows and give him the "we own everything that makes you, you in teh biz, you can leave but you aint coming back, if you do leave and reproduce your work we will sue your ass, and your new employers for that matter. CN has no chance for being the master of making new episodes, neither does anyone else, and if they haven't binded Matt with the old "you can't leave us, that is a bridge of contract, remember we own YOU, as in you can go nowhere and do nothing about it."

now why sign such a deal with the devil? well, here is the best answer for that one: "So, you want to make a show called futurama, aye? well it sounds good, now just sign this non-negotiable contract (giving us the soul of the show) or we will not air it or give you the facilities needed to make the show....what? Oh you say you might go somewhere else? well let me tell you now, you leave though that door, and this Futurama of yours will never see the light of day in this studio...(matt signs).

sad, sad, story, but so, so, true.....

Hell, i'd do it to a bright animator with good ideas, it is standard practice. if you can't have it, noboby will until the series has long been killed off by you. Classic operating procedures....

GHT
Anarchist

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« Reply #11 on: 04-29-2003 23:07 »

It's obvious that Futurama will never live again. What I'm hoping for is that Matt has a third child, to a different network this time. I remember him saying in some interview that he had a long list of ideas for shows. He's had experience with The Simpsons and Futurama, so, theoretically, the next show would be even better! Although it probably won't happen. Good things come in small doses, and nothing lasts forever.

A man can dream, though... A man can dream...
The Names Nick

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« Reply #12 on: 04-29-2003 23:56 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
big corperations remind me of a show i once watched called rocko's modern life where there was a massive corperation called conglomo and do you know what it's slogan was? "we own you" which is exaxctly what those evil trolls in the corperate laywer department write into every show contract. if they can't hold onto Matt, they will keep his shows and give him the "we own everything that makes you, you in teh biz, you can leave but you aint coming back, if you do leave and reproduce your work we will sue your ass, and your new employers for that matter. CN has no chance for being the master of making new episodes, neither does anyone else, and if they haven't binded Matt with the old "you can't leave us, that is a bridge of contract, remember we own YOU, as in you can go nowhere and do nothing about it."

I hope they wouldnt sue him for turning to another network. Im guessing that they could only sue if he started making new eps of a show he was making for FOX. Meaning more Futurama would be out of the question but that doesnt mean that he couldnt make a great new show. I have to admit I dont see why another company wouldnt be willing to buy the contracts to the show. I mean Fox has no real use for them unless they intend to make new eps and air them.

As for what will happen to Fox, well I dont watch Fox anymore; I have not watched Fox now in over a month n wont watch them again unless they are playn a Futurama ep. I would also like to add Id love to see Fox go belly up or get bought out by some bigger meaner company.
mikey

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« Reply #13 on: 04-30-2003 03:51 »

Fox will milk groening for all he's worth. They'll make him sign with them for an astronomical figure which he cant resist.
Zoidberg MD

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« Reply #14 on: 04-30-2003 10:29 »

Hopefully groening will just say "BITE MY SHINNY METAL ASS" when asked to make more simpsons and let the show die with the little dignity it has left.  Then in the best case scenario the four horsemen of the apocalyse will ride down and inflict the 7 plauges on FOX network before carrying the whole lot of scum sucking money hungry #$&*$# to the seventh level of hell.
CN may look to buy the production rights to Futurama, seeing as how the adult swim time slot is getting great ratings.
Killerfox

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« Reply #15 on: 04-30-2003 14:28 »

ok taking getak's theory if Futurama was just an idea and Matt persented it to fox, there isnt anything material so he could go to some other network and present the idea, they cant sue him cuz there isnt anything there, its just an idea
Bolt Rholans

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« Reply #16 on: 04-30-2003 15:04 »

I'm not sure on the legal particulars, but Futurama and all its characters, themes, etc. are "intellectual property" of Groening's "The Curiosity Company" and FOX.  Ideas, unfortunately, are legal property which can be bought, owned, and sold. 
Whether or not new episodes of Futurama could ever be made would depend on the contract between FOX and Groening's company.  Most likely FOX would have to be bought out of it's share, which I'm guessing is pretty hefty.  I don't think CN has the money to fund that and new episodes.

As for Groening, he's already said he has very little input on the Simpsons anymore, it's not really his "baby" any longer and is basically a near bottomless money well that allows him to do whatever he wants.  I doubt he'll do anything new with FOX, given the history, but the legal tangles of extracting Futurama from FOX aren't worth the financial headache.

As for Fox, they'll come up with something, as long as there are three other networks competeing.  Before "that 70's show" you could say, "well, Simpsons won't last forever".  Then you could say "well, 70's show won't last forever" until Malcolm came along.  But they still take more chances than most networks with their prime time programming.  Oliver Beene is garbage, but it's edgier than Friends, Frasier, and 99% of the sitcoms on the other networks.  Their reality programming is crap, but it's not like they're the only network putting it on. 

Reality TV will diminish, but it's here to stay.  Fox is and for the forseeable future will be a major network player, thanks to Rupert Murdoch's billions.  Universal's parent company (vivendi) is in such a mess right now that they aren't funding UPN enough to make it any more than it is. We may hate Fox for not handling Futurama well, but there's much more to it than our favorite show.
MattyB

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« Reply #17 on: 04-30-2003 15:41 »

I wonder what, or if, Matt Groening will do next. Surely he can't creat another animated sitcom and not include any of the same jokes from Simpsons/Futurama. Tough job.
Lee Roberts

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« Reply #18 on: 04-30-2003 16:18 »

With Futurama gone this Summer and Simpsons Gone in *May 2005, Matt will have nothing. He might do movies though, if get high ratings in the Movie Charts then Fox might want Futurama back!
 My best quess is that Fox will be burned  roll eyes . I think that then someone nce will take over and bring back Futurama!  smile Now that would be good. But no really, I hate Fox!  mad 
OC_James

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« Reply #19 on: 04-30-2003 16:30 »

Perhaps I should change this to the "Why We Hate FOX" thread.
Bolt Rholans

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« Reply #20 on: 04-30-2003 16:58 »
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This is from an interview with Matt Groening from last June:
 
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JP: So what would you do instead? Have you got anything else up your sleeve?

Groening: I have got other projects in mind, I think, what I try to do is always keep in mind my relationship with the audience, that is who I really care about.

JP: What sort of projects?

Groening: I have got a couple of other animation TV shows that I am moulding right now, doing some research, and we'll see. It is really difficult to invent a world and sell it and get it off the ground, so I will see if anyone wants them.

JP: Would they be like The Simpsons?

Groening: They will be similar in sensibility to The Simpsons and Futurama. They will look like relatives of the characters, with the mouth overbites.

JP: Could you give me any idea about what sort of programmes they would be, where they would be set?

Groening: (laughs) No I couldn't do that.

Groening also still does the newspaper strip "Life in Hell", which is always his first love.

As for FOX ever bringing back Futurama?  Has a network EVER brought back a show that it killed?  And with Fox co-owning the show, it won't be moved to another network without a hefty payoff.  Sadly, I just don't think there is any hope, at all, of seeing any new production of Futurama.
Torn Receipt

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« Reply #21 on: 04-30-2003 17:28 »

They did that with Family Guy, I think. But I know ABC got rid of The Critic and then FOX picked it up a year later, so I guess restarting the show IS possible. But then again, we're dealing with FOX. If they cancel something, I'll probably see it in Hell. Unfortunatly, most shows that are on FOX sold their souls in the contracts, but hopefully Futurama went to heaven. Where it is on a good time slot every week, with a near endless (It has to end sometime, and it might as well be with dignity. We don't want it to drag on and on and become stale like The Simpsons) supply of episodes...and no commercials! Plus, it would be not on FOX but on channel 1-God's channel.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #22 on: 04-30-2003 17:33 »

 
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Originally posted by MattyB:
I wonder what, or if, Matt Groening will do next. Surely he can't creat another animated sitcom and not include any of the same jokes from Simpsons/Futurama. Tough job.

You're right, it'll be a very tough job. But considering that if it wasn't for Fox, Futurama could have at least got up to 10 Seasons of awesomeness with loads of new jokes. Now that that's not going to happen, all those unwritten jokes and storylines that could have been, can now be used in a new guise for Groening's next creation  smile

Killerfox

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« Reply #23 on: 04-30-2003 20:16 »

Sad but true. see you in heaven Amy   tongue
Dark Shooter

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« Reply #24 on: 05-01-2003 01:05 »

Fox is going to just keep churning out the same ol' crap they've had for the last few years, sans Futurama, of course. It's my hope that when the Simpsons' contract runs out in 2005, that'll be the end of it. I mean, didn't they do some 'future-flashback' episodes from 2005? That should be a sign...
tooslow2go

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« Reply #25 on: 05-01-2003 10:24 »

As much as I love Futurama, there is somthing good about being cancelled in it's prime.

People like us will look back at it and say "man, that was a good show until it got cancelled." instead of "man that was a good show until season 400"

The show gets to leave a hit instead of leaving as a tired show with no new jokes. *coughs* The simpsons.
Killerfox

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« Reply #26 on: 05-01-2003 12:36 »

Uhmmm well you got a point.

Welcome too slow to go!
payn
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« Reply #27 on: 05-04-2003 05:05 »

Every year, people say, "The Simpsons was great until two years ago." Those same episodes everyone hated two years ago are now classics, proof of how much the show has gone downhill since.

And even at its worst, how many other half-hour comedies on today are nearly as good as the Simpsons? Your tastes may vary, but I'll bet you can count them on one hand.

And I'll bet the same was true every year of the past decade.

And, worst of all, I'll bet almost all of the shows you'd pick in each year were on Fox--and almost all of the shows that weren't were gone within a season.

The sad truth is, Fox is the most horrible network there ever was--except for NBC, CBS, ABC, WB, and UPN.

And is cable any better? Yeah, Nick has treated Invader Zim much better than Futurama. And I'm sure Colin Quinn loved being cancelled, un-cancelled, and cancelled during a single hiatus, only to get a call saying, "How'd you like to be a last-second mid-season replacement?"
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