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FryBender3000

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« Reply #40 on: 03-03-2003 07:22 »

I give an 78/100...
Nuff' Said.

Total Slaughter,
Total Slaughter.
I won't leave a single man alive.

La de da de dai,
Genocide.
La de da de duh,
An ocean of blood.

Let's begin the killing time.

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FilthyCrab

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« Reply #41 on: 03-03-2003 08:26 »

Clobber-ella, holy cow, I think I'm in lust (like love, only filthier).

I thought it was a pretty darned good episode.  There was a bit much crammed in (could have done it without Leela's parents) but it was fast-paced and filled with little jokes to catch if you were paying attention.

A-
Teral

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« Reply #42 on: 03-03-2003 10:47 »

I liked the superhero part of the show. Some funny stuff, and nerdy jokes. On top of that it was nice to see them mocking superhero shows. Best ... theme song ...  ever! Why didn't Batman have one of those? The concept of a miracle cream to give superpowers fits Futurama's formula quite well.

The Zookeeper, well that part could've been better. Poopenmeier was good.

Leela's parents? That's the major downfall of the show. It's just not funny or interesting to hear them whine about embaressement, disapointment, etc for an entire episode. Yes, we get it, they're outcast, move on. And was it impossible for them to give Leela a few minutes before deciding she stood them up? Sheesh, talk about forcing the plot.

But I liked the part where Morris went fishing with the 2 other mutants (Yay, the one-legged guy is back! Happy days.)

I loved the Ikea jokes. 

"Zoidberg, get in here."
"Screeeeew yoooou!"

Overall, I'd say average with only a few rough spots. 7/10.

PS: I liked Leela's new dress.  love

Don't confuse not caring with not knowing!
aslate

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« Reply #43 on: 03-03-2003 12:45 »

That was a weird episode, definately different to those normal Futurama's. However i liked it, but it did seem to end a bit suddenly.

The F-Shirt was good and so was Pi-Kea.

However it's the first Futurama in 6 weeks, so i'm really confused ect.
Ginster

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« Reply #44 on: 03-03-2003 12:54 »

I didnt watched it all through but it was kinda funny (not exellent though). the part so far was funnier than last ep. especialy the spiderman themesong allthough it was a little bit anoying after a while. why did they bring leelas parents in?
good to watch some futurama again
Joe25

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« Reply #45 on: 03-03-2003 13:06 »

I thought it was good, but not great.  I do agree that Leela's parents held down the episode and made it more emotional than it should have been.  They should have been completely dropped from the episode in favor of more super hero hyjinks.  I would have liked to see more of "Super King". 

The theme song was cool though, and so was that whole scene with the guy from Jersey City and Andrew.
bankrupt

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« Reply #46 on: 03-03-2003 14:05 »

It was a decent episode I thought.  Zoidberg had a lot of good parts in the first part of the episode.  The Ikea jokes I really liked.  The Zoo Keeper was only ok, I think they could have come up with something better, but his animal henchmen were funny.  I'd give it a B-.  It was no Roswell That Ends Well, but it was better than That's Lobstertainment.
TheLesbianLeela

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« Reply #47 on: 03-03-2003 15:39 »

great new episode ...  smile
Fry looking like John Travolta ... Leela like Robin ... and Bender like ... King Arthur? King Richard?
Andrea Huckstep

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« Reply #48 on: 03-03-2003 15:57 »

I don't mean to mention Nintendo in this, but the Zookeeper guy looked just like Wario from the days of Wario Land 1, except without the jagged mustache. Weird!

"Game over, you lose." Shep Ramsey from Suburban Commando
ZombieJesus

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« Reply #49 on: 03-03-2003 16:01 »

 
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Originally posted by Andrea Huckstep:
I don't mean to mention Nintendo in this, but the Zookeeper guy looked just like Wario from the days of Wario Land 1, except without the jagged mustache. Weird!


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Kryten

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« Reply #50 on: 03-03-2003 17:04 »

 
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Originally posted by Juliet:
Can you tell me who is Teddy Roosevelt?


26th president of the United States. Famous for being very very macho.

Al Gore´s Head

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« Reply #51 on: 03-03-2003 17:29 »

I have a question for you guys:

Why are Leela's parents in this episode? Have they been featured in any other episode? It seems to me that the the continuity of Leela's life story has been broken... I thought that she was abandoned as a child, and she had to search the universe to find out where she came from (A Bicyclops Built For Two)... I also remember her saying that she was the only one of her kind on Earth... if so, why is her mother (also a cyclops) on earth? This episode doesn't make much sense.
evan

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« Reply #52 on: 03-03-2003 17:39 »
« Last Edit on: 03-03-2003 17:39 »

Whew...okay, that's a doozy of a question.

Last season was the episode "Leela's Homeworld" (4x05 in Fox's schedule, 4ACV2 I think p-code wise) in which they finally came clean about Leela's past.

Quick run-down...Bender dumps toxic waste into the sewer, the mutants get upset and drag Fry, Leela, and Bender down to be punished. There, two hooded mutants seem to know much about Leela. Leela's confused, some stuff, near the end of the episode it's revealed that these mutants are her real parents. SHe is the 'least mutated baby ever.' Trying to give her a better life, her parents leave her in a basket in front of the orphanarium, everyone assumes she's an alien. A decent episode.

Bottom line -- Leela's a mutant, not an alien. If you're still interested, I think you can "acquire" it.

Al Gore´s Head

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« Reply #53 on: 03-03-2003 17:50 »

Thanks Evan! I guess I haven't seen all the episodes after all  smile
SQFreak

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« Reply #54 on: 03-03-2003 17:55 »

How about multiple replies in one?


 
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Originally posted by lfv:
nobody liked "Enjoy your affordable swedish crap." clunk, break.

Why, that was my second favorite line (after F-Shirts)!

 
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Originally posted by McGrady:
Here is a rough translation of the AI1 on the back of the wonder cream, if anyone was interested:

INTERIOR OF AYEDOLL?.

I think the Xanroc is close, the ayedoll I just couldn't get a clear enough image of any of the letters.

Perhaps "EYEBALL"?

 
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Originally posted by Speli:
The theme song and that binary action word had me in stitches. I didn't really like the zoo keeper, but the part where he was contacting the PE Crew and:
"Professor, isn't it your nap time?"
"Yes, dammit!"

Binary Action Word: What was it?
Professor's Line: It seemed reminiscent of his excuses in "Crimes of the Hot" - the way he said it that is.

 
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Originally posted by Al Gore's Head:
Why are Leela's parents in this episode? Have they been featured in any other episode?

One of my friends made a comment about Leela's parents being mutants. I informed him that we had seen them before, but he's only been watching the CN reruns so I suppose that's excusable.

"I'm a thing!" -Bender, in "A Fishful of Dollars"

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winna

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« Reply #55 on: 03-03-2003 18:05 »

I guess I just expected more, what with superheros and all.  BTW is it just me or was Leela a little bit out of character?  I mean she's like OH NO, no more miracle cream, can't she kick ass anyways????  Especially that gay zookeeper's! Oh well it's nice to have a new episode!
Venus

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« Reply #56 on: 03-03-2003 18:11 »

yeah she can but there were a lot of people at that museum. and the zookeeper has all those trained animals. making everyone think she has superpowers makes them less likely to attack her. Plus with her parents at risk she wasn't gonna attack the zookeeper. Those animals responded to his voice so even if she were wailing on him he could still order them to hurt her parents.
VelourFog

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« Reply #57 on: 03-03-2003 18:19 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
 26th president of the United States. Famous for being very very macho.

he's famous for inspiring the teddy bear. you call that macho



"cuter than a chinchilla, and only twice as bitey" -rach
SQFreak

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« Reply #58 on: 03-03-2003 18:22 »

He was also the first Progressive. (I'm writing a paper about Progressivism as we speak.)
LittleMiss

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« Reply #59 on: 03-03-2003 18:31 »

OMG... It was on yesterday???  *Cries* NOO!!!  I MISSED IT!!!  *Thuds*
Just Chris

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« Reply #60 on: 03-03-2003 22:01 »

The episode was a good one. Though there were parts that weren't really funny, they were just sorta...there. But I like the idea of Bender as being part of the trio, as he wasn't a real superhuman and only there for the comedy relief. The costumes were cheesy, but they fit each character well. Leela needs skimpy clothing and Fry, as kind of a flashback guy, looks suitable with the bell-bottom outfit. Solid Futurama wackiness, I give it a B.

I hope Andrea Huckstep is just a joke account and she is really registered to PEEL under another name...
Kryten

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« Reply #61 on: 03-03-2003 22:11 »

 
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Originally posted by Just Chris:
I hope Andrea Huckstep is just a joke account and she is really registered to PEEL under another name...

I'm afraid she's for real, Chris.

M5438

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« Reply #62 on: 03-03-2003 23:57 »

This episode ended much too abruptly but up until the end it was amazing.  The costumes, the theme song, the lines, the concept in general.

Leela's parents were kinda meh, but not especially bad.

Overall I really liked the episode.  Not the best, but it's not Lobstertainment either.  B+
LittleMiss

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« Reply #63 on: 03-04-2003 00:57 »
« Last Edit on: 03-04-2003 00:57 »

*Still pissed that she missed it*  >frown
Oni Zyxer

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« Reply #64 on: 03-04-2003 04:24 »

OK, first of all (you losers) Leela's parents were not just 'hacked in' 'Leela's Homeworld' was episode 2. Episode 3 was 'Love and Rocket' a HOLIDAY SPECIAL. Episode 4, 'Less Than Hero'. Now, don't you think it would seem slightly odd if we never hear or see of Leela's parents again? Yes? Well, that's why they had a big(ish) part. If Leela's parents WEREN'T in this episode, they would have been searching pretty hard for an excuse to steal the Gemerald for the Zookeeper. So stop complaining about that. Also, the Turanga's over-the-top last scene just makes it more plausible that they would have rather died than let Leela know they are her parents, so that's just continuity.

Secondly, the songs were cheesy. It's a joke.

That aside,
'Stretch-dude and Clobbergirl' are obviously Bender and Leela. That isn't a ripoff, it's parody, though a little cheap. Bender just hearing about the new justice team and wanting to be a part of it was hilarious when coupled with 'I've got these two costumes for you, but I guess I'll just throw one away'.

Bit's I didn't like,

The 'wacky' immpossible scenes. It took The Simpsons 10 years before it started to do stuff like this, and here we are in the fourth season. Ick. And the episode sort of 'died' at the end because they ran out of miracle cream. This is pretty much intentional, but they shouldn't have done it. A minor case to crack and a not lame parent story would be nice. The joke with Hattie was really really bad.

But apart from that, and ONLY that, EVERYTHING else was great. *Yak!*


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evan

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« Reply #65 on: 03-04-2003 17:58 »

 
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Originally posted by Oni Zyxer:
OK, first of all (you losers) Leela's parents were not just 'hacked in' 'Leela's Homeworld' was episode 2. Episode 3 was 'Love and Rocket' a HOLIDAY SPECIAL. Episode 4, 'Less Than Hero'. Now, don't you think it would seem slightly odd if we never hear or see of Leela's parents again? Yes? Well, that's why they had a big(ish) part. If Leela's parents WEREN'T in this episode, they would have been searching pretty hard for an excuse to steal the Gemerald for the Zookeeper. So stop complaining about that. Also, the Turanga's over-the-top last scene just makes it more plausible that they would have rather died than let Leela know they are her parents, so that's just continuity.

Nobody's saying that we should never speak of Leela's parents again. I can only speak for myself, however, when I say I don't find them very interesting. Their inclusion overburdens what could be a good episode.

In fact, they're are necessary to the plot at all. The Zookeeper could just have blackmailed them to steal the Gemerald after he found out their secret identities. "Clobberella" does yell out Fry's real name in the museum. That's just an reason for The New Justice Team to heist it that was already in the episode.

 
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Originally posted by Oni Zyxer:
That aside,
'Stretch-dude and Clobbergirl' are obviously Bender and Leela. That isn't a ripoff, it's parody, though a little cheap.

Remember, this episode was written almost two years ago, around the same time that specific THoH was aired. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not. Anyways, parodying post season 11 Simpsons isn't exactly the funniest thing to do.

 
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Originally posted by Oni Zyxer:
The 'wacky' immpossible scenes. It took The Simpsons 10 years before it started to do stuff like this, and here we are in the fourth season.

Futurama's more apt to wackiness because of the setting. Science fiction allows a certain amount of crazy antics, especially a sci-fi cartoon. I didn't mind the wackiness.

Oh, and here's a continuity breach for you. The tour-guide lady was eaten by the elephant in this episode (4ACV04) but alive in 4ACV07 ("Jurassic Bark" ).
CyberKnight

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« Reply #66 on: 03-04-2003 18:25 »

OK, I haven't yet seen the episode, but I feel I can still comment on some of the topics discussed here.

First of all, regarding Futurama/Simpsons similarities - an almost embarassing one became apparent on Sky One on Sunday, when the Simpsons ep "Pray Anything" (written in 2002) was immediately followed by "Crimes of the Hot" (written in 2001). The joke about "same sex Ark" was used in both! (Flanders in "The Simpsons" ).

Personally, I don't mind "Futurama" borrowing from "The Simpsons", and vice versa. I'd much rather see it that way than have them both sniping at each other (and BTW, is it just me or do very few Simpsons fans give Futurama the respect it deserves?). Plus, as evan said, the THOH ep was written two years ago, and Futurama is indeed "wackier" in setting than The Simpsons. Futurama's borrowed frequently from THOH eps (Kang and Kodos = The Omicronians, Put Your Head on My Shoulders = THOH 2 ("Homer's Brain" ), etc.).

As for Leela's parents; well, as I say I haven't seen the ep but they did come off as a little annoying in "Leela's Homeworld", but not too bad.
SlaytanicMaggot
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« Reply #67 on: 03-04-2003 20:53 »

I liked this ep. I think they did this to coincide with that CBS thing on the old batman TV shows. The binary code when bender got punched was the highlight of the ep.

Oh, and for you people whining about leela's parents, I do believe that is kinda dragging long, but I'm sure that's the reason the writers haven't put them in many eps.

And one more thing, why, if leela's a mutant, has she been able to stay on the surface?

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fromage

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« Reply #68 on: 03-04-2003 21:12 »
« Last Edit on: 03-04-2003 21:12 »

 
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Originally posted by VelourFog:
he's famous for inspiring the teddy bear. you call that macho

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A wife beating alcoholic teddy bear?


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evan

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« Reply #69 on: 03-04-2003 21:24 »

 
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Originally posted by SlaytanicMaggot:
And one more thing, why, if leela's a mutant, has she been able to stay on the surface?


I always assumed that Leela never told anyone she's a mutant. The only ones that know are the PE crew and her parents. None of which would turn her in...probably.
SlaytanicMaggot
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« Reply #70 on: 03-04-2003 21:51 »

Bender would, if he got a big enough wad of cash in return.

oh, and another thing, why did bender even hesitate at the thought of stealing the diamond?

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DrThunder88

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« Reply #71 on: 03-04-2003 23:00 »

Okay, this episode is my new least favorite.  Although it had a few god jokes, it managed to top "Leela's Homeworld" as Futurama's most annoyingly boring episode on the Thunderological Annoyingly Boring Episode List (TABEL), a system usually reserved for late-stage Simpsons episodes.  Not only did I hate Leela's parents in this (and every) episode, but the premise itself was weak for a non-superhero series.
Grim

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« Reply #72 on: 03-05-2003 03:56 »

I quite enjoyed this episode, I wasnt expecting too much from it, and was suprised because the idea didnt excite me all that much.

The wackiness was awesome, and the story very predictable, but I would think that all part of the parody.

I liked the inclusion of Leela's parents, we got to find out a little more about them. The ending was the most predictable thing ever, but I thought the mugging scene was pretty cool.

One thing tho, where did Zoidberg get $60?
Gocad

Space Pope
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« Reply #73 on: 03-05-2003 04:49 »

Less than Heroes was a quite good episode. I was somewhat confused before, since Bongo had already done a Superheroes spoof, but this episode made rather fun of those silly Superheroes series from the 60s and 70s like Batman and so on. And "Soon to be a major religion" is probably the best tagline line ever. Did remind me of Obi-Wan's last words in "Star Wars: A New Hope".

Leela's Wonder Woman Outfit was nice, but Fry's Discosuit rocked!


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BNLbum

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« Reply #74 on: 03-05-2003 09:07 »

I liked it, a lot. I thought the Superheros were hilarious, and they were already parodies of OTHER superheros, not Bart and Lisa. Citizen Pinch had me laughing uncontrollably... Also, it seemed to me like this episode was almost set up. Zoo Keeper would return in a later episode, using the Quantum Gemerald to build a super laser to destroy the Earth, or something... Maybe Wernstrum was in cohorts with him (the fish walking on land)?

Leela's parents were in there as an additional parody to superhero stories. As in Spider-Man the movie, where Mary Jane Watson was kidnapped by the Green Goblin to blackmail Peter Parker (whom had discovered Spider-Man's secret identity) or in the Spider-Man comics where Gwen Stacy was kidnapped, when the villian discovered Leela's true identity he instead went after the most convienient loved ones - Leela's parents. Who else could he have kidnapped? The fossilized Seymour?

I enjoyed the return of Organs Selling Guy, Fruity Guy, the now-late Museum Lady, as well as the Leg mutant and the arm-coming out of head mutant.
Oni Zyxer

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« Reply #75 on: 03-05-2003 09:13 »

quote:
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Originally posted by Oni Zyxer:
OK, first of all (you losers) Leela's parents were not just 'hacked in' 'Leela's Homeworld' was episode 2. Episode 3 was 'Love and Rocket' a HOLIDAY SPECIAL. Episode 4, 'Less Than Hero'. Now, don't you think it would seem slightly odd if we never hear or see of Leela's parents again? Yes? Well, that's why they had a big(ish) part. If Leela's parents WEREN'T in this episode, they would have been searching pretty hard for an excuse to steal the Gemerald for the Zookeeper. So stop complaining about that. Also, the Turanga's over-the-top last scene just makes it more plausible that they would have rather died than let Leela know they are her parents, so that's just continuity.

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Nobody's saying that we should never speak of Leela's parents again. I can only speak for myself, however, when I say I don't find them very interesting. Their inclusion overburdens what could be a good episode.

In fact, they're are necessary to the plot at all. The Zookeeper could just have blackmailed them to steal the Gemerald after he found out their secret identities. "Clobberella" does yell out Fry's real name in the museum. That's just an reason for The New Justice Team to heist it that was already in the episode.

ME:
Yes, but with Leela's parents gone, there would be no need to keep their identity's secret. Leela was concerned about her parents, and Fry and Bender don't really have any loved ones.

quote:
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Originally posted by Oni Zyxer:
That aside,
'Stretch-dude and Clobbergirl' are obviously Bender and Leela. That isn't a ripoff, it's parody, though a little cheap.

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Remember, this episode was written almost two years ago, around the same time that specific THoH was aired. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not. Anyways, parodying post season 11 Simpsons isn't exactly the funniest thing to do.

ME:
You kind of have a point there, but it is HIGHLY unlikely that nobody on the staff team thought of that THOH ep. It's just a recycled idea, which we have seen many times with Futurama unfortunatley.

quote:
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Originally posted by Oni Zyxer:
The 'wacky' immpossible scenes. It took The Simpsons 10 years before it started to do stuff like this, and here we are in the fourth season.
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Futurama's more apt to wackiness because of the setting. Science fiction allows a certain amount of crazy antics, especially a sci-fi cartoon. I didn't mind the wackiness.

ME:
The degree of wackiness was far too far. Obviously Futurama can get away with a lot more than The Simpsons USED TO, but all the non-sensical crap annoyed me. And I cannot BELIEVE they used that joke with Hattie. It was pretty much the same as the joke with the Prof in Mars U. Annoying.

Oh, and here's a continuity breach for you. The tour-guide lady was eaten by the elephant in this episode (4ACV04) but alive in 4ACV07 ("Jurassic Bark" ).

ME:
The elephant that never forgets to kill didn't neccesarily eat her. He just sort of chewed on her a bit.

Alright, that was pretty smart-assed of me. But whatever.


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MuscaDomestica

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« Reply #76 on: 03-05-2003 13:14 »

People are complaining about wakieness in a show where one of the main characters drank an emperor, found Southern mermaids, and had worms Jazerzising his muscles?


I liked the episode not the best, but had a lot of solid jokes. Surprised they didn't have a muntant superhero joke.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #77 on: 03-06-2003 01:56 »

I thought the premise was weak, but the writers turned it into a pretty good episode. I'm surprised that everyone's calling it the worst ever.

I even liked Leela's parents.
Bad Mojo

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« Reply #78 on: 03-06-2003 03:21 »

I liked it better then anything else this season.
Teral

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« Reply #79 on: 03-06-2003 03:55 »

 
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Originally posted by Oni Zyxer:
 And I cannot BELIEVE they used that joke with Hattie. It was pretty much the same as the joke with the Prof in Mars U. Annoying.

What? That wasn't the same. In "Mars U" Farnsworth yells "what" because he's deaf and senile. Here Hattie yells "what" because she can't hear when Leela whispers. Okay, so theu may look identical, but the joke is different.

About Leela's parents: I don't dislike her parents, obviously she has to interect with them from time to time. What I didn't like, was how pathetic they were, and how porely their part of the plot was written. They walk into a big musuem, look at approximately 1% of the area, and concludes Leela stood them up, and will hate them for the rest of their life. Prompting Leela to reveal herself as Clobberella, and the Zookeeper to learn about it. Could've been excuted a lot better.

Repeating my self here, but there were parts of the parents story I liked. Mainly the fishing trip.

The superhero main story is great. Especially the song.

Don't confuse not caring with not knowing!
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