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lfv
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« on: 02-13-2003 23:08 »

Apparently CN has a problem with the phrase "Sweet zombie Jesus!" so where the professor says "Jesus" we hear nothing. :/
evan

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« Reply #1 on: 02-13-2003 23:13 »

I was just about to mention that. I found it pretty weird, because CN's been cool with censorship before. Now I'm curious what else might be cut out (thinking Fry and Umbriell trying to have sex).
lfv
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« Reply #2 on: 02-13-2003 23:19 »

eh, CN's cool with footage. we've seen more than what Fry and Umbriell try to do on Mission Hill. it's language they have issues with (certain racial slurs like "kraut" and words like "asshole" they don't like either).
Kryten

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« Reply #3 on: 02-13-2003 23:42 »

And yet, two days ago, they aired an episode of Lupin the 3rd with the same word unbleeped.
lfv
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« Reply #4 on: 02-13-2003 23:44 »

Well, the sex scene was ok.

BTW, I think the problem is they're saying Jesus in the exclamation. Which actually has been said on Sealab 2021. CN has had some double standards in the past. But talking about or just referencing Jesus is ok.

"Jesus! He's a robot!" -Stormy Waters (Sealab 2021)
shaddupshaddup

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« Reply #5 on: 02-14-2003 02:21 »

I was stunned they would censor anything in Futurama.  What will be next?  When the crew eagerly awaits a meal from Bender laced with LSD?  When Leela says the best line of any ep:  'Then every religion is wrong!' It was OK on FOX at 7pm but 11pm in Adult Swim they start censoring???  Aaaaghh!!!  It was too good to be true, seeing complete eps.  I guess that rules out seeing any additional hot tub footage from that (otherwise lousy) ep earlier this year with Zoidberg eating a flag.  Is it worth writing Cartoon Network asking them to cut it out (egads, another online petition, those always work, don't they?).
Sorry, had to vent  smile.
lfv
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« Reply #6 on: 02-14-2003 03:40 »
« Last Edit on: 02-14-2003 03:40 »

 
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Originally posted by shaddupshaddup:
I was stunned they would censor anything in Futurama.  What will be next?  When the crew eagerly awaits a meal from Bender laced with LSD?  When Leela says the best line of any ep:  'Then every religion is wrong!' It was OK on FOX at 7pm but 11pm in Adult Swim they start censoring???  Aaaaghh!!!  It was too good to be true, seeing complete eps.  I guess that rules out seeing any additional hot tub footage from that (otherwise lousy) ep earlier this year with Zoidberg eating a flag.  Is it worth writing Cartoon Network asking them to cut it out (egads, another online petition, those always work, don't they?).
Sorry, had to vent    smile.

dude. chill out! they censored one word over 25 episodes. i doubt they're going on a censoring rampage now. the hot tub scene isn't going anywhere (if you've watched Inuyasha on Adult Swim we've seen enough naked female flesh there). the relgious lines won't either because the "Cowboy Bebop" episode "Brain Scratch" had religious lines in it by the truckload (the new religion Scratch, questioning God's existance, etc.). But CN's not gonna start chopping out whole scenes and stuff.

if you do have to ask though email AdultSwim@turner.com about it.
Australian Guy

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« Reply #7 on: 02-14-2003 04:19 »

Well CN is a kids network, they call it ADULT swim, but both we and them know that liddle kids are watching(Evn tho thery're not meant too) Easier to aviod a problem with the kids parents.
ZombieJesus

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« Reply #8 on: 02-14-2003 05:05 »

Maybe we should send them an e-mail in which we say that we are VERY offended. Because of their censoring.

Timo

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« Reply #9 on: 02-14-2003 11:02 »

This will not stand.  Whether they want it or not, Cartoon Network is getting my e-mail.

Polite, but very, very firm.
Damitol

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« Reply #10 on: 02-14-2003 11:40 »
« Last Edit on: 02-14-2003 11:40 »

Hmmmm - No email from me for two reasons. 

First, Cartoon Network is doing us a huge favor by showing and promoting the episodes to begin with.  If any new episodes are ever made, a large part of the thanks will go to CN.  Second, the cutting of one word, though sad, did not hurt the episode or ruin a huge joke.  If every episode had suffered at the hands of a rabid censor, maybe, but this tiny cut was squarely aimed at keeping religious nuts off of their back because a lobster man equated Jesus with an undead minion of Satan.  Bibles have been heavily thumped over smaller things than that.

If it is that critical you hear the word "Jesus", the DVD will be available soon enough.  In the meantime, think of everything in Futurama that other channels would have cut (and I'm sure the Brits could tell us a story or two) and realize it's not that big a deal.

We should be sending CN emails thanking them and letting them know we are watching, not complaining about something this insignificant.  If whole scenes or joke punchlines start to go missing, then we have a problem.  But as far as I'm concerned, if they have to cut the word or two in order to show me five episodes of Futurama a week, so be it.


Timo

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« Reply #11 on: 02-14-2003 11:58 »

Already sent.

Rest assured, I do appreciate CN showing it, and I did mention that to them in my missive.  ...I'm a partial idiot, not a complete idiot.

What is critical is that the art not be compromised.  The issue is not insignificant.  I happen to find censorship of this type juvenile, and I said so.
evan

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« Reply #12 on: 02-14-2003 16:31 »

Jeez...I didn't think it was that bad. Letter-writing worthy bad.
sheep555

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« Reply #13 on: 02-14-2003 17:19 »
« Last Edit on: 02-14-2003 17:19 »

To play the Devil's Advocate:
Not wanting to sound like I'm defending CN, but cuts are made on the advice of paid people whose job it is to decide what crosses the line of taste and decency. Sure, I don't think that the line should have been cut - I don't see there being any real problem with 'Sweet Zombie Jesus'.
But the fact remains that the decision to cut the line was probably taken with advice given by a censor, who has to often make difficult decisions about what's right and what's wrong. On this occasion, a censor (perhaps slightly over zealous) thought that this line could have caused offence to certain people.
You can knock censors all you want, and I agree that some of their decisions (including this one) can be percieved as extreme, and you can nearly always find examples of double standards - but without them, the overall taste and decency of TV would be a lot lower.
Put it into perspective - it's about two seconds of footage that has been removed. I've seen a lot worse, and it doesn't take anything away from the plot.

So anyway, no email from me.
lfv
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« Reply #14 on: 02-14-2003 22:18 »

Wow. A couple people are pissed over at alt.tv.futurama .

BTW, this probably means CN will have their finger on the dump button during a certain phrase in "Bender Gets Made" too.
Timo

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« Reply #15 on: 02-15-2003 02:23 »

This is the second topic wherein I have somehow managed to cause thoughtful people to defend idiocy.

I wonder why that keeps happening.  If I can bottle it, I bet I could make a mint.
sheep555

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« Reply #16 on: 02-15-2003 03:25 »
« Last Edit on: 02-15-2003 03:25 »

I'm not defending idiocy - I'm just saying that the decisions we percieve to be idiotic are made by qualified (I hope) individuals who make dozens of cuts day by day.

But anyway, it's a really stupid cut to make.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #17 on: 02-15-2003 09:55 »

If I'm remembering right, they also held back showing the short film "Rejected" because of someone saying "Sweet Jesus". Odd.
ZombieJesus

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« Reply #18 on: 02-15-2003 10:05 »
« Last Edit on: 02-15-2003 10:05 »

Written text:
Johnson and Mills Fish Sticks
-Now with more sodium
-Sweet Jesus!


They never say "Sweet Jesus", they only show it in a text balloon of one of the characters.

They also self-censored the word "fuck" by bleeping it out.

If anyone sends an e-mail, be polite and start with saying that you really appreciate that they show futurama.

I think this is my 7000th post
CyberKnight

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« Reply #19 on: 02-15-2003 11:16 »
« Last Edit on: 02-15-2003 11:16 »

As I understand it, the US is a more religious society (in general). Well, certainly more than the UK. Thus I can understand, if not agree with, the decision to cut this sort of line. Better to cut this one small line which makes little difference to the overall plot and keep the super-religious nuts happy, than leave it in and have them baying for the head of Futurama on CN on a silver platter. If it was a more serious cut (like, for example, the ones here in the UK), I might understand a complaint more, but it's a trivial cut made for the benefit of a few people who can't take a joke to keep the show from attracting criticism.

Just my two pence.

P.S. I'm not trying to stereotype Americans by saying they're more religious, it's just a general observation on wider society.
SQFreak

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« Reply #20 on: 02-15-2003 13:21 »

CyberKnight: Yes, unfortunately, the U.S. has a very large number of fundamentalist Christians that can control society. You are stereotyping Americans, but it's an accurate stereotype.

I personally think that it's better that CN censor one word than fall under the threat of the fundamentalists (a large group - those who remember, the Southern Baptists boycotted Disney/Capital Cities/ABC for being too "gay-friendly" ) boycotting all of Turner Broadcasting and CN dropping Futurama because of it.

Accept it and be happy that CN is airing Futurama at all. Fox isn't.
lfv
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« Reply #21 on: 02-15-2003 13:35 »

Now that everyone's happy again, I can say I have it on good authority (again) that "Bender Gets Made" this Sunday has also been edited for language. (although, after this one I'm sure you saw it coming)
The Baz

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« Reply #22 on: 02-15-2003 13:57 »

Aw, "Sweet Zombie Jesus" was one of the funniest lines in the season!  Weird why Adult Swim would edit it, but they leave words like bastard alone.  O~well who would of thought that CN would have higher censorship than FOX!  eek

Will they show "A Tale of Two Santas"?
Teral

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« Reply #23 on: 02-15-2003 14:14 »

Ah, it's good to live in a censor-free country.  tongue

While I can understand the "better-cut-this-one-word-than-risk-a-boycut" argument may have merit in the minds of tv execs, it is a rather stupid cut to make. It's a great joke, and didn't they leave in the joke about the Second Coming of Jesus in "When Aliens Attack"? Those two situations are comparable aren't they?

Besides, after some nut started complaining how "Married with Children" were too smutty/profane the show hit a new high in popularity, and essentially she saved the show from cancellation (afterwards the crew send her a Christmas basket every year to thank her for saving their job  laff ).

Still, it's nothing to start complaining about. We should rather thank CN for airing the show. CN cut one word, FOX cut 3 complete episodes!!

And they better not mess with "A Tale Of Two Santas". That joke is as funny as the Sweet Zombie Jesus one. "I help those who help themself!"

Don't confuse not caring with not knowing!
Bakntime

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« Reply #24 on: 02-15-2003 16:16 »

I think the reason for the censor wasn't the word Jesus in and of itself - it was the context.  Sweet Zombie Jesus, while funny, could be construed as offensive to some people, for religous reasons.  I mean, think of the actual image of a Zombie Jesus, it opens up a whole pandora's box of religous "issues" that I think Cartoon Network would rather not have to address.

While I'm kind of disappointed at this censoring, in a way I can understand why they did it, and why other seeminly offensive words were left in.  Just the word Jesus by itself would probably slip through, but since "Zombie Jesus" could be religitorially (not an acual word) offensive, they chose to avoid that issue.
Bakntime

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« Reply #25 on: 02-17-2003 01:11 »

Well, they censored Zombie Jesus again, this time on "Bender Gets Made".  "Holy Zombie ______".  Weird to hear the silence.  Sombody at CN must be religious.
Asuka

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« Reply #26 on: 02-18-2003 09:14 »

i donīt think that somebody is religious...
Nixorbo

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« Reply #27 on: 02-18-2003 09:22 »

I still don't understand why a cut of a grand total of four syllables thus far is that much of a problem.
Bakntime

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« Reply #28 on: 02-18-2003 17:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
I still don't understand why a cut of a grand total of four syllables thus far is that much of a problem.

Oh, I don't think it's a problem at all.  While I would have much rather they didn't censor it, I can understand where they're coming from, which is what I was trying to convey.

It's definitely not the end of the world  big grin

Kryten

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« Reply #29 on: 02-18-2003 17:06 »

It's the principle of the thing.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #30 on: 02-19-2003 00:51 »

Yeah, and also it was five syllables!
lfv
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« Reply #31 on: 02-19-2003 01:16 »

"Jesus" + "Jesus = 4

5?
CyberKnight

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« Reply #32 on: 02-19-2003 04:53 »

Sweet Zom Bie Jes Us = 5 Syllables

Ho Ly Zom Bie Jes Us = 6 Syllables
Bakntime

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« Reply #33 on: 02-19-2003 14:29 »

 
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Originally posted by CyberKnight:
Sweet Zom Bie Jes Us = 5 Syllables

Ho Ly Zom Bie Jes Us = 6 Syllables

Yeah, but they only really censored the "Jesus".

And I know I posted it, but is the line from Bender Gets Made actually "Holy Zombie Jesus", for some reason the "Holy" part doesn't sound right...

The Baz

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« Reply #34 on: 02-19-2003 17:18 »

The censorship isn't outrageous. But for "Adult" Swim that clearly says it is intended for mature audience 18 years and older, it is bizzarre.  I found many of the cartoons they show go really ...um'... mature so "Sweet Zombie Jesus" shouldn't of been that hot of an issue. 

I'd think Turner might of been mad at the Atlanta jab.  wink  Seriously one of the censors on CN must be pretty religious or not tolerate poking fun at Jesus.

O~well keep the episodes coming! :-D
ROBOTRON

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« Reply #35 on: 02-19-2003 18:11 »

With "Adult Swim"  you think they would relax a little.
FishyJoe

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« Reply #36 on: 02-21-2003 09:14 »

 
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Originally posted by lfv:
"Jesus" + "Jesus = 4

5?

They only cut out the word "Jesus"? I thought they cut out the whole line in Deep South. (but I missed Bender Gets Made, so even if I'm right, it's more than 5 syllables. Oh well.)
Allen

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« Reply #37 on: 02-28-2003 23:34 »

People arguing over one little word omitted. Ah, brings back such memories. Memories like a woman suing because she wasn't warned the coffee was hot. Burglars get hurt while attempting a robbery, sue the owner and win. I guess what I'm trying to say is people do some dumb things, but this is just weird dumb.

Anyway, they showed A Tale of Two Santas and we didn't even have to wait two years wink
Nixorbo

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« Reply #38 on: 03-13-2003 11:22 »

OK, you people want something to complain about Cartoon Network?  Here's one: at least twice now, they've completely spoiled an episode in the preview commercial.  They showed the scene where Fry makes the worms leave in Parasites Lost and they also showed the scene from Bendin' in the Wind where Bender miraculously recovers in the hotel room.  I think there was one more, but I'm not sure.
Bakntime

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« Reply #39 on: 03-13-2003 17:42 »

 
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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
OK, you people want something to complain about Cartoon Network?  Here's one: at least twice now, they've completely spoiled an episode in the preview commercial.  They showed the scene where Fry makes the worms leave in Parasites Lost and they also showed the scene from Bendin' in the Wind where Bender miraculously recovers in the hotel room.  I think there was one more, but I'm not sure.

Whatever, man...

  tongue

 wink

But seriously, about the whole "spoiling" the ending thing, I think that for people who've already seen the episodes (like us)they don't care, obviously, because they've seen it already. For people who haven't seen the ep yet, it's so out of context that it's easily forgotten, or seemingly non-understandable, since they're basically just trying to pick out some funny moments.  Because of this, I think a lot of people forget about it before they actually watch the episode.

As for the complaining about the censoring, I don't think it's so much that people really care (I don't really care), it's just something that's a little "weird", so there was a lot of conversation about it.  No big deal.
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