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« Reply #40 on: 02-07-2001 21:56 »

 
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Originally posted by Dabljuh:

Is Groening alcoholic himself? His Dad? His Mommy? Thats my question, drunkards

the arrogant Dabljuh

Um, unless you personally know Matt Groening or are actually him in disguise, I don't think anyone can answer that question.  So quit asking.

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« Reply #41 on: 02-08-2001 02:54 »

 
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Originally posted by Dabljuh:
Damn you drunks. Nobody reads what I write. again:

Is Groening alcoholic himself? His Dad? His Mommy? Thats my question, drunkards

the arrogant Dabljuh

This guy... this's th'guy...

Seriously, who the hell are you to insult us? Seems to me you have some sort of irrational hatred of alcohol. Apparently, anyone who enjoys a beer now and then is an alcoholic. Never mind that scientists have shown that one drink a day can be beneficial...

The only character on Futurama who drinks heavily is Bender, and he's obviously not meant to be a role model. Likewise with The Simpsons. Who aspires to be Barney? Or Homer?

Face it, your arguments have not been thought out. You have no support for your position, so you've resorted to insults. You've lost. Go away. Now.

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« Reply #42 on: 02-08-2001 04:55 »

I think the real question is: "who really cares?"

The reson theres alcahol in futurama and simpsons is because its FUNNY, we laugh when homer gets drunk or when bender gets not drunk.  There is no hidden meaning to the show.  Just enjoy the show and don't think about it.

Here, have a beer.
<Alpha hands Dabljuh a beer>
<Dabljuh refuses mumbling something like "think of the children!">
<Alpha smashes the bottle over Dabljuh's head>
<Dabljuh falls to the ground unconsious.  Alpha sticks a new beer into his mouth>

Another victory for alcahol!

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Dabljuh

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« Reply #43 on: 02-08-2001 17:53 »

Its for crying out loud. I do not mind alcohol, but I find alcoholism is a serious and destrucktive disease.

The way alcoholism (and also alcohol) is handled in Futurama and The Simpsons let me believe that it has a personal meaning to groening.

I just found out, Groenings'Fathers name was Homer. Thats all i know, unless someone hands me the email of Matt.

Go on, drink beer - i dont mind. I was only asking this one fucking question.

the arrogant Dabljuh
iliketowankalot

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« Reply #44 on: 02-08-2001 18:34 »

Your one fucking question is idiotic.
How are we supposed to know if alcohol has a deep meaning for Groening?
Anyway Groening doesn't write the episodes.
alpha39

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« Reply #45 on: 02-09-2001 01:40 »

Hey ya!  ooooooo maybe the writers have secret alcahol addictions...  Lets all waste time considering that!

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« Reply #46 on: 02-09-2001 01:58 »

 
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Originally posted by alpha39:
Hey ya!  ooooooo maybe the writers have secret alcahol addictions...  Lets all waste time considering that!


considering that? i'm almost positive that they do...  tongue

Benderos

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« Reply #47 on: 02-09-2001 02:15 »

BY the way, i'd like u guys to notice that groening was insipred by his own family whie creating the simpsons.
homer groening = matt gr. father
homer gr. insipred the creation of homer simps.

nuff said.
i think the groening family MIGHT tend to LIKE some of the booze...BUT ITS JUST AN IDEA I HAVE  wink)))

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Nixon+Morbo~???

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« Reply #48 on: 02-09-2001 02:33 »

I'm reminded of a thread I read a while back on another message board.  Someone thought that just because there were many pot/drug references in The Simpsons, Matt Groening MUST be a druggie.  The same goes for alchohol.  Ever consider it might be just for hoots and giggles?  That it's there as a statement on society, not on his life?  Just because there are many references to something, it doesn't mean that it's a reflection of the writer's/creator's lives.

Out out!!!  You demons of stupidity!!!
Sorry, I thought it just needed to be reinforced.

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Work a little bit harder on improving your low self esteem, you stupid freak
Bovinatron

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« Reply #49 on: 02-09-2001 03:51 »

Must...Kill...Murdoch...and perhaps...Dabljuh...*gasp*
Dabljuh

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« Reply #50 on: 02-09-2001 13:01 »

Groening doesnt write the episodes, but he is advising the team at about every opportunity. And, of course, he has designed the characters of The Simpson and Futurama.

Yes, The Simpsons were strongly inspired by Groenings own Family. Im almost positive that Homer Groening and Homer Simpson have a lot in common. Especially the Alcoholism. Matt Groening himself was drawing cartoons since he could hold a pencil, and was strongly supported by his father, an cartoonist himself.
But alcoholics in families isnt that nice.

Anyone got Matt's Email? Id like to ask him personally...

the arrogant Dabljuh
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« Reply #51 on: 02-09-2001 13:19 »

"hey sir, you a product of booze addicts?"

do you really think he woulg answer that question with yes (even if you pose it a little more gentle) ? You shouldnt forget that simpsons and futurama are targeted at age 16+ (IMHO), where most have already decided if they are going to be drinking alcohol anyway (at least over here in europe). futurama features alot other stuff like snoo snoo randy women, and yet, i doubt groening is a son of 3m high amazons with bone-bras.

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« Reply #52 on: 02-09-2001 18:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Dabljuh:

Anyone got Matt's Email? Id like to ask him personally...

the arrogant Dabljuh[/B]

Yeah I got his email, but somehow I don't think that he would want to talk to you.

Dabljuh

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« Reply #53 on: 02-11-2001 02:27 »

@Iliketowankalot: Its your decision. Ask him yourself, if you like.

I guess the Amazonian thing was not much more than an erotic fantasy or something like that. I dont mind the erotic stuff in Futurama, and I like the subtle relationship between Leela and Fry. At least the sex stuff makes it a little more clear that Futurama isnt the show for 8 year olds.

The deep south "Trouble in bed", lol

the arrogant Dabljuh

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Bovinatron

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« Reply #54 on: 02-12-2001 06:27 »

iliketowankalot:  could you please send me this email adress?  i would like to just send him a thank you or something.  PPPLLLLEEEEEEAAAAAAASEEEEEEE???????

my email is
bovinus_maximus@hotmail.com

...5...
iliketowankalot

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« Reply #55 on: 02-12-2001 19:04 »

I would send it to you, but I lost it in a volcano.
alpha39

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« Reply #56 on: 02-13-2001 00:16 »

Idiot, he doesnt have the e-mail.  Its damn near impossible to get the e-mail address of anyone famous, and even if you did, as if theyed actully reply to you.

‡If nobody stated the obvious then it wouldn't be obvious now would it?‡
Benderos

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« Reply #57 on: 02-13-2001 02:26 »

Mhh, i'd wanna rethink that.

I have Matt Groening's email addy.

And unlike our favourite Wanker I didn't lose it in a volcano.

here is matt's email:

Matt_Groening_69@hotmail.com

Thank me later  wink


Juicy Fruit. Really fruity. Really juicy.
Nixon+Morbo~???

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« Reply #58 on: 02-27-2001 19:25 »

What effect did lobsters have on Matt Groening as a child?  I ask this because I noticed that the way lobsters are handled on his two shows, The Simpsons and Futurama, has led me to believe that they affected him personally.  I mean, Homer grew to love his lobster, Pinchy, and one of the main characters in Futurama is a lobster.  Anyone got his e-mail address?  I want to ask him if he had/has a pet lobster.

P.S.  In case you couldn't tell, I was mocking Dabljuh.

P.P.S.  Sorry for resurrecting this dead topic, but when genius strikes . . .

I'm American, it's like being Canadian, only without a Molson
SCORPIO!
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Work a little bit harder on improving your low self esteem, you stupid freak
payn
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« Reply #59 on: 02-27-2001 20:13 »

 
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.... And i know, if it really had, that would be the reason why alcohol is handled differently in the show than other drugs...

Or perhaps it's that Groening is a product of Western (particularly Christian--even more particularly American Protestant) Civilization, which treats alcohol (and nicotine and caffeine) differently from any other drugs.

Groening is also a child of the 60s, which gives him some insight beyond this world-view. The Prohibition jokes are obviously a dig at the current drug prohibition; there's also Homer's psychedelic journey on the Guatemalan insanity pepper and the kids' various psychedelic journeys on various substances (including beer dregs, if I remember correctly).

Also, compare Otto (habitual marijuana abuser) and Barney (habitual alcohol abuser)--they're both somewhat disgusting buffoons; despite the fact that Barney's drug of choice is legal, he's not shown in any better light.

However, when Groening isn't directly satirizing our society's differing treatment of alcohol and other drugs, he probably falls into it without thinking.

Does that answer your question?

If not, here's one more point, specific to Futurama:

Most drugs affect different species differently. You can get just about any animal drunk or high on xenon. And most mammals are affected the same way by the same psychedelic amphetamines (MDMA, DOB).

On the other hand, the more complex phenethylamines (e.g., mescaline, 2C-B) are pretty species-specific; a-2C-T has no effect on humans but affects chimpanzees, while the very similar chemical 2C-T-2 has no effect on chimps but affects humans, while both will kill sheep at very low doses.

And some chemicals (e.g., complex tryptames like 5-MeO-DIPT) are even more specific, having an entirely different effect on different people.

So, we can assume that, in a future filled with aliens, the social drugs of choice will be those that affect most species. Alcohol, nitrous oxide, and noble gases are the obvious choices.

Ethanol is also a decent lubricant and cleanser and a very good fuel, so it's plausible that it could be of use to robots, but what could they possibly want with most of our other drugs?

So, in Futurama, Groening is actually being scientifically rigorous (although this is probably completely by accident).

Any more questions, or can we drop this now?
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« Reply #60 on: 02-28-2001 02:07 »

 
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Originally posted by iliketowankalot:
I would send it to you, but I lost it in a volcano.

i would reply to that, but i just can't think of anything to say...  tongue

Nixon+Morbo~???

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« Reply #61 on: 02-28-2001 02:20 »

Dude, Payn, you are remarkably well-informed.  In between this and the one in "ho, ho . . . ho?" you have completely earned my respect.  I bow down to your well-informness, which is far superior to my own.  Wow.

I'm American, it's like being Canadian, only without a Molson
SCORPIO!
Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming from an open window
Work a little bit harder on improving your low self esteem, you stupid freak
Kryten

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« Reply #62 on: 02-28-2001 03:17 »

Yep, payn definitely knows his/her stuff... All hail payn!

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« Reply #63 on: 02-28-2001 06:59 »

payn is one of my greater acquisition from the outlet board and part of the troll<->quality people deal with mike  wink

have fun here payn
Kryten

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« Reply #64 on: 02-28-2001 07:03 »

 
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Originally posted by [-mArc-]:
payn is one of my greater acquisition from the outlet board and part of the troll<->quality people deal with mike   wink

have fun here payn

Quality people? So FOMB is, in reality, the Lost City of Atlanta?

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« Reply #65 on: 02-28-2001 15:27 »

I've seen less irritating threads in alt.flame
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« Reply #66 on: 02-28-2001 19:09 »

What affect did monkeys have on Groening, In the Simpsons Granpa wanted to eat the helper monkey and in Futurama the Prof wanted to eat gunter.
Maybe Groening was sexualy abused by monkeys as a kid and this is how he gets his revenge.

BTW I was also mocking Dabijuh
Nixon+Morbo~???

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« Reply #67 on: 02-28-2001 19:25 »

 
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Originally posted by iliketowankalot:
BTW I was also mocking Dabijuh

Isn't it fun?

I'm American, it's like being Canadian, only without a Molson
SCORPIO!
Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming from an open window
Work a little bit harder on improving your low self esteem, you stupid freak
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« Reply #68 on: 03-01-2001 01:10 »

 
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Originally posted by iliketowankalot:
BTW I was also mocking Dabijuh

haha good one wanker  tongue

by the way paym, i must too agree that you are well-informed...  tongue

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« Reply #69 on: 03-02-2001 04:35 »

all hail the mighty king payn!!

*bow*
*conk*
son of a-
Bovinatron

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« Reply #70 on: 03-02-2001 04:48 »

 
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Originally posted by Benderos:
Mhh, i'd wanna rethink that.

I have Matt Groening's email addy.

And unlike our favourite Wanker I didn't lose it in a volcano.

here is matt's email:

Matt_Groening_69@hotmail.com

Thank me later   wink



you liar!! i just tried it and it said there was no such thing as Matt_Groening_69@hotmail.com!! 
Kryten

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« Reply #71 on: 03-06-2001 05:52 »

 
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Originally posted by Bovinatron:
you liar!! i just tried it and it said there was no such thing as Matt_Groening_69@hotmail.com!! 


Shame on you for believing him... by the way, the garbage disposal told me someone left a diamond ring in it for you...

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« Reply #72 on: 03-06-2001 05:56 »

 
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Originally posted by Kryten:
Shame on you for believing him... by the way, the garbage disposal told me someone left a diamond ring in it for you...


hehe...the garbage disposal is still your friend...  tongue

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« Reply #73 on: 03-19-2002 04:24 »

Hah! Gotta laugh at this guy! he's in as deep a hole as he can make for himself, yet he carries on digging. Poor Dabljah. May you rest in piece  tongue
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« Reply #74 on: 03-19-2002 04:39 »

You brought back a year-dead thread  laff have you been drinking the beverage Dabljah hates so much  tongue
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« Reply #75 on: 03-19-2002 06:21 »
« Last Edit on: 03-19-2002 06:21 »

In response to the first post in this thread:

When the fuck did satire become such a dead art form?

::wanders off and shoots self after seeing what a world of morons like this guy would be like to live in::
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« Reply #76 on: 03-19-2002 07:52 »

It seems Bender is not the only one pounding down the Old Fortran...if you notice in that past couple of eps Fry is trading his Slurm for something with a little more kick in it.   cool
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« Reply #77 on: 03-19-2002 08:01 »

In The Honking, when the gang finds Bender in the fields after he is attacked by the were-car, he asks for booze and everyone whips out a flask of some sort. Even Amy and Hermes. I can see Amy getting "a little tipsy" (Put Your Head On My Shoulder), but her or Herm gettin' rip-snortin' vomitin' drunko is hard to imagine. Hard but fun.

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« Reply #78 on: 03-19-2002 09:51 »

Hermes likes to parttake in a little "extra-cirriuclar activities" himself if you remember.

"I'm gonna call the police, but first I have to flush some things"

"If you ever needed a small package brought into the country without a lot of hassle and x-raying Bender always had a spare body cavity."

I know there are more references, but I can't think of them right now.  Of course, smoking pot is just a stereotype of a Jamacian character that they are playing up.  It's still funny though.
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« Reply #79 on: 03-19-2002 10:05 »

Yeah, FishyJoe inspired me to reconsider the thread's karma and bring it back to life. So sue me  tongue

Obviously, the act of drinking isn't shown so realistically in this show, so why bother showing its effects? This is a comedy. You're supposed to see its humorous effects. As opposed to dramatic works, where everything's taken more seriously.

Man, this topic is hella old, long before my time.
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