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MeatablePie

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« Reply #600 on: 01-20-2014 01:58 »

I think Season 7 is the perfect example that the show needed to stop.

I like Season 7, I really do. While it is the weakest season in the show's run, I still thought it was alright. But as it went on, episodes began to be executed alot worse. Not all of them. Just some of them were. And 7B just yells to you, that the staff needed a break. You could see how rushed and poorly supervised the episodes are.

I'm not saying they're all bad (well, a good 5 or 6 episodes struck as particularly awful), more struck me as kinda bad in 7B than in 7A.

So I mean I guess I can say that I'm glad they stopped here. Although I absolutely loved the finale, I still think that it was logically the perfect spot to stop at. I really don't care if it stays dead. It at least had a good run. And it still gave us many more episodes to enjoy rather than hate.

Oh, and also, I liked 2D Blacktop.  frown Sorry Gorks.

To me, Season 6 in it's entirety seemed the weakest.
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #601 on: 01-20-2014 02:20 »

I loved Season 6. Not as much as 3 and 4, but I really did think Season 6 was pretty great in it's entirety. (Except for the 4 beginning episodes. Those were one of the weakest of the series tbh)
MeatablePie

Professor
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« Reply #602 on: 01-20-2014 03:03 »

I loved Season 6. Not as much as 3 and 4, but I really did think Season 6 was pretty great in it's entirety. (Except for the 4 beginning episodes. Those were one of the weakest of the series tbh)

You liked TFHS and YLL?

I can't find anyone who liked TFHS.
Imy

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« Reply #603 on: 01-20-2014 04:07 »

The latest seasons of Futurama was always incredibly hit-or-miss, but by god, did it produce some amazing episodes. I don't think anyone can deny that the revival was a good thing in that respect. Having said that, there were numerous sub-par episodes produced during the period which put a damper on the truly great neo-Futurama, which was a shame but all in all I'm utterly grateful to have enjoyed at least 10 truly great newer episodes and had an alright, definitive conclusion to the series.
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #604 on: 01-20-2014 04:07 »

I don't like Yo Leela Leela. I've actually kind of grew to like the plot twist around the end. But other than that, it was pretty damn bad.

I wasn't a huge fan of TFHS either. I actually like the Robonukah segment. But rather than that, I didn't like the other 2 segments.

But you shouldn't hate a season based on 6 or 7 bad eps out of like 15-18 good-great episodes. Plus, Naturama makes those two episodes look like gold.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #605 on: 01-20-2014 05:31 »

Ha. No.

Naturama wasn't exactly a brilliant episode, but it was at least consistently funny as well as a fairly unique idea.

TFHS and YLL were neither if those things. They were utter crud-puddles.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #606 on: 01-20-2014 05:51 »
« Last Edit on: 01-20-2014 06:01 »

I personally didn't like Naturama because of how out of place it felt. At least with the Holiday Spectacular and Reincarnation (and, though it was produced after these episodes, Saturday Morning Fun Pit), the main characters overall appearances were left intact, which made the episodes fit in with the regular series, unlike this one. Without their familiar body structures, the re-imagined animal designs felt very much like different characters than they were supposed to be, and therefore set it apart from the rest of the show in a bad way (at least to me), even if they had the same voices or mannerisms. I completely get the jokes it was trying to make about nature documentaries and animals themselves, so I don't dislike it because I don't get it, but the way that the characters were actually turned into animals was pushing the unusual factor for even a non-cannon episode for me. Though, I can't deny that I can blatantly see why it would be seen as a good episode by some, as well as that it is funny and at the very least creative. To me, it was just a little too far out.

That said, though, it, and every other segmented episode, was non-cannon, so they could do really whatever they wanted with them wouldn't effect anything else. Because of that, I don't particularly despise any of these  episodes, even if some of them are of a very low quality. I think they're best to look at as the writers experimenting to see what they can do by putting characters in new and illogical situations that they normally couldn't do, to see waht other types of jokes or stories they are capable of writing.
Note: I very much enjoy Reincarnation, so when I group it with the others, don't assume I'm implying that it's a poor episode.

Beamer

Space Pope
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« Reply #607 on: 01-20-2014 06:19 »

Reincarnation is pretty much universally regarded as the best non-Anthology of Interest triptych episode, and I'm sure there are quite a few Futurama fans (myself included) who would rank it among the series all-time best. So the issue certainly isn't with non-canon triptych episodes in general, it's specifically these ones. They're just not very good. hmpf

I would, however, rank Naturama higher than the Holiday Spectacular and Saturday Morning Fun Pit (while I did get a kick out of the Purpleberry Pond segment, the other two were fucking abysmal). I didn't feel as though Naturama was actively insulting my intelligence the whole way through like the other two, which were just painful to sit through.
TheBPB11

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« Reply #608 on: 01-20-2014 06:46 »
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Can someone please explain the love for Reincarnation to me?  I feel like I've just seen much better homages to all three the different genres on the internet over the years.  While I did like seeing the characters in the different styles, the novelty wore off quickly for me.  The first two segments had alright stories, but I don't think they're as special as everyone else seems to think they are. I might even rate it among the show's worst (it is better than the other CC run three segmented episodes, but that's not saying much).
Beamer

Space Pope
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« Reply #609 on: 01-20-2014 07:16 »

On top of being consistently hilarious, it makes some very clever and original jokes with the different visual formats it experiments in. I particularly enjoyed how each segment contained something of supposedly immense beauty/magnificence which could not be properly conveyed due to the limitations of each animation style. And they actually found a way to retain Futurama's sci-fi elements in each one, where most other triptych episodes (including both Anthology of Interests) did not. But mostly, it's just really, really funny.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #610 on: 01-20-2014 08:16 »

I personally didn't like Naturama because of how out of place it felt. At least with the Holiday Spectacular and Reincarnation (and, though it was produced after these episodes, Saturday Morning Fun Pit), the main characters overall appearances were left intact, which made the episodes fit in with the regular series, unlike this one. Without their familiar body structures, the re-imagined animal designs felt very much like different characters than they were supposed to be, and therefore set it apart from the rest of the show in a bad way (at least to me), even if they had the same voices or mannerisms. I completely get the jokes it was trying to make about nature documentaries and animals themselves, so I don't dislike it because I don't get it, but the way that the characters were actually turned into animals was pushing the unusual factor for even a non-cannon episode for me. Though, I can't deny that I can blatantly see why it would be seen as a good episode by some, as well as that it is funny and at the very least creative. To me, it was just a little too far out.

Funny you should mention this, because this exact principle is why I vastly prefer "Naturama" to "Saturday Morning Flop Pit". You're right about the different appearances in Naturama, and I can sort of understand why that would bother some people. But the personalities of each character were stronger than ever in Naturama, which is part of what made it enjoyable for me. Kif is an awkward, stuttering wimp. Bender is an obnoxious ladies-bot seal. Lrrr and Ndnd are the same bickering couple we know and love. Really, the traits of everyone come out quite solid in the episode.

Now, lets compare that to SMFP. In pretty much every segment, the characters were pretending to be somebody they're not. There was of course the occasional character-specific joke, but these were generally quite lame ("Rite ry riny retal rass!").

So in conclusion, I generally prefer it when Fry acts like Fry instead of Shaggy.
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #611 on: 01-20-2014 08:23 »

Reincarnation is simply so funny, great jokes throughout the episode. And even being direct parodies, plots were interesting and especially well-thought. All the "flaws" of those animation styles fit into the story with constant humor. It's my favorite non-canon.

I'm not sure if Naturama is the second worst or third worst non-canon. It's a great idea for a parody and had good jokes, but it wasn't so interesting and I find it very hard to like animal adaptation of characters any way (without faces, they would look realistic).

So in conclusion, I generally prefer it when Fry acts like Fry instead of Shaggy.
Even, when considering this.
I don't know, Naturama and SMFP are equally not good.
Beamer

Space Pope
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« Reply #612 on: 01-20-2014 09:22 »

Not to mention that EVERY Naturama segment was just "animals try to mate, encounter hardships along the way, overcome them, mating happens." Fuck, I mean, there's more to nature documentaries than just that.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #613 on: 01-20-2014 09:48 »

Well to be fair, TFHS also decided to recycle the "EVERYONE DIES, THAT'S FUNNY RIGHT?" idea for all three segments as well.
Imy

Bending Unit
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« Reply #614 on: 01-20-2014 13:30 »

Not to interject some big imposing image, but... oh well I just am

I found this on tumblr and I rather enjoy the thought:

Jezzem

Urban Legend
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« Reply #615 on: 01-20-2014 14:58 »

I prefer the thought that Bender didn't initially see a happy ending for Fry and Leela (which explains why he avoids the question when Fry asks), but made up whatever he wrote in order to give them a potential happy ending by removing their doubts about being together.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #616 on: 01-20-2014 20:38 »


On the subject of that ending, Thanks to Meanwhile, we can all assume that the very happy expression they had at the end of the episode was for all the time that they were able to spend in the Frozen Universe together, as I'm sure it was a very meaningful and heartfelt time for them in the Frozen Universe.

I'm calling my E-Lawer!  mad
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #617 on: 01-20-2014 21:26 »

I thought that "Naturama" and "Saturday Morning Fun Pit" both represented some of the high points of season 7. They're not particularly good episodes but they're a hell of a lot better than most of season 7.

I don't know. Maybe working in TV, myself, has made me biased towards enjoying it in the same way that I'd probably get more out of "A Leela of Her Own" if I was a professional baseball player.
I dunno, I kind of actively hate all sports and that's never really affected my feelings for sports-related episodes of TV shows. I like "A Leela of Her Own" despite not giving two shits about baseball, same as I like The Simpsons' "Homer at the Bat," which is lousy with references to actual players and twists on their actual personalities that I actually know nothing about.

I, too, despise sports and I used to partly attribute my hatred of "A Leela of Her Own" to that, but you know what? I love "Homer at the Bat", too, so I guess that's no excuse.


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But I could forgive the Fast and Furious send-up if that was all the episode concerned itself with; however, the second dimension stuff in act three is so appallingly disjointed and unnecessary and unfunny that it makes me literally angry with rage. It feels a lot like children's educational programming, what with the Professor's elaborations on how life functions in two dimensions and how perilous that will be for the crew and blah-de-fucking-blah. And then everything is resolved so quickly and stupidly and I just hate it. It's just so lazy and bad.

The worst thing about the 2D sequence is that that could have been a really interesting episode of its own. I really think that they could have created a great episode out of that concept, alone, but instead they just threw a load of crappy drag-racing stuff at us, then dipped into the 2D stuff and right out of it again without anything close to the time needed to make it a worthwhile diversion. Nothing about it works, but with a bit more time spent on it, I feel like it could have been a great episode and that's what I find particularly upsetting with it.


I think Season 7 is the perfect example that the show needed to stop.
Agreed.
It was a gargantuan step down from all six previous seasons, if you ask me, and whilst it wasn't bad on its own merits, it sucked as a selection of Futurama episodes. Some episodes were great, but lots weren't.


I loved Season 6. Not as much as 3 and 4, but I really did think Season 6 was pretty great in it's entirety. (Except for the 4 beginning episodes. Those were one of the weakest of the series tbh)

That's exactly how I feel, too. I'd go so far as to say that I prefer season 6 to 1 and 2. Yeah, it's not as consistent in its quality but the high points are higher than anything in those other seasons, by my estimations.
moonbus69

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« Reply #618 on: 01-23-2014 00:56 »




I also like to think Fry and Leela will remember that 'frozen universe' time they shared in
'Meanwhile' - and wonder, when they and the Professor go back for another go-around,
if they would live their lives together mostly the same,or differently?
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #619 on: 01-26-2014 02:43 »
« Last Edit on: 01-26-2014 02:45 »

I think Season 7 is the perfect example that the show needed to stop.
Agreed.
It was a gargantuan step down from all six previous seasons, if you ask me, and whilst it wasn't bad on its own merits, it sucked as a selection of Futurama episodes. Some episodes were great, but lots weren't.


I loved Season 6. Not as much as 3 and 4, but I really did think Season 6 was pretty great in it's entirety. (Except for the 4 beginning episodes. Those were one of the weakest of the series tbh)

That's exactly how I feel, too. I'd go so far as to say that I prefer season 6 to 1 and 2. Yeah, it's not as consistent in its quality but the high points are higher than anything in those other seasons, by my estimations.
Yeah, I mean like I said, I like Season 7. But it admittedly is very poor compared to the other seasons. I mean the 5 years of nonstop work on Futurama was reflected on Season 7. I mean at least Season 6 stayed consistently good (in my opinion, it did) while Season 7 was just hit or miss, especially in 7B and late-7A. And I'd gladly watch them over even the best episode of Family Guy (whatever that is). Cause the writing was still good, at least.

And I personally think if they came back for one more season in 2 years, it would be like a breath of fresh air. They got the big long break they needed, and will probably be ready to write eps the way they should again. Although I also think that it should stay dead, since I really loved that Finale.
Kataang102

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« Reply #620 on: 01-26-2014 04:23 »

I don't know if any of you know I went to SF sketchfest today
And for the record officially confirmed fry and Leela are still married (I asked)
I also did meet them
There were two table reads and a showing of SMFP also Lee Superzinski (I KNOW I spelt that wrong sorry) said they tried to make finglongets for SDCC but they only let them make it 8 inches long so they didn't sell it
Tachyon

Space Pope
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« Reply #621 on: 01-26-2014 04:34 »


That sounds like a lot of fun, Kataang.  You take any pics or score any swag?

Kataang102

Bending Unit
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« Reply #622 on: 01-26-2014 04:42 »

I did get pics and a signed poster
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #623 on: 01-26-2014 07:11 »

Lucky! I wish I could have went.  cry
Kataang102

Bending Unit
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« Reply #624 on: 01-26-2014 12:46 »

Thank LadyBender she told me about it
PS you guys can update the infosphere now with a source
DannyJC13

Space Pope
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« Reply #625 on: 02-02-2014 12:13 »
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So, Futurama won two Annie Awards, one for "Best General Audience Animated TV/Broadcast Production" and one for "Outstanding Achievement, Writing in an Animated TV/Broadcast Production"; which went to Lewis Morton (his most recent episodes are "The Late Philip J. Fry", "Calculon 2.0" and "Murder on the Planet Express"). big grin
Inquisitor Hein
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #626 on: 02-02-2014 12:40 »

Edit: Settled itself
UnrealLegend

Urban Legend
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« Reply #627 on: 02-02-2014 13:14 »

Noice! MOTPE was phenomenal in my opinion. Very well-deserved!
Kataang102

Bending Unit
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« Reply #628 on: 02-02-2014 19:09 »

Epic this shows we won't let it die
Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #629 on: 02-02-2014 20:23 »

I'm glad Lewis Morton won that award; he definitely deserves it; as does this outstanding show overall, which itself deserves every award granted to it.  big grin
Mr Snrub

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« Reply #630 on: 02-02-2014 22:56 »

Morton's a pretty underrated writer, considering I haven't seen him as anyone's favourite, myself included.
Gorky

Space Pope
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« Reply #631 on: 02-02-2014 23:32 »

Lew Morton is one of my favorite DVD commentators, for what that's worth...

Seriously, though, I think his output in the original run was kind of spotty, quality-wise: I'd say my favorite of his episodes from the first four seasons would be a toss-up between "Amazon Women in the Mood" and "The Cyber House Rules," but everything else is kind of, you know, middling, in my opinion. He is responsible for the underrated gem that is "Mother's Day," though, so I suppose that ought to count for something.

Honestly, though, when I found out Morton was the writer responsible for "The Late Philip J. Fry," I was kind of surprised at how amazing the episode turned out to be; I guess Morton's name did not initially scream "emotional resonance" and "highly elaborate sci-fi goodness" to me, as he always seemed to write jokier episodes about ultimately inconsequential futuristic mayhem ("A Big Piece of Garbage" and "Mother's Day" surely fall into this category...though the ending of the latter episode is strangely sweet). TLPJF is without a doubt the best episode for which he is the credited writer, and I'm happy for his Annie win this year (though I thought "Calculon 2.0" was kind of interminably boring, "Murder on the Planet Express" was admittedly pretty awesome)--but I still wouldn't consider him the best of Futurama's writers, not by a long shot.
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #632 on: 02-09-2014 21:55 »

I'm a big fan of "Mother's Day". It set up a world of goodness with the Mom / Farnsworth relationship and her Three Stooges sons. (I know most people dismiss "Bender's Game", which plays heavily on these relationships, but I'm a fan. I only wish the Fry and Leela B-plots in that one were a little stronger. )

I'm surprised Morton wrote "The Cyber-House Rules" and "TLPJF", both are among my favorites.  I was mostly bored by "Calculon 2.0" though.  hmpf
Mr Snrub

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« Reply #633 on: 02-09-2014 23:01 »
« Last Edit on: 02-09-2014 23:02 »

I LOVED Calculon 2.0. The only Morton episode I don't like is Bender Should Not Be Allowed on TV. He has a lot of underrated gems under his belt.
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #634 on: 02-10-2014 00:07 »

I actually thought Morton was a pretty great writer, I'd place him right behind Ken Keeler and Dan Vebber.
DurinsonofDurin

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« Reply #635 on: 02-11-2014 19:54 »

So can we expect folks like Keeler and Cohen to write some future episodes now? I was rewatching seasons 7 and 8 of The Simpsons, and I completely forgot that they were the writers of some of the best ever episodes.
Box Incorporated

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« Reply #636 on: 02-12-2014 03:21 »

Probably not. Unless they're desperate or really want to come back (they didn't when Futurama was first cancelled), they'll probably go on to writing for other TV shows.
Beamer

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« Reply #637 on: 02-12-2014 04:43 »

I believe, after the first cancellation, Cohen tried (unsuccessfully) to get a few new animated projects going. Keeler appears to have just remained dormant in-between Futurama production, though.
DurinsonofDurin

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« Reply #638 on: 02-13-2014 04:42 »

I could see Groening contracting one or two episodes out to Keeler a season, though. Frankly, I'd like to see what he could do in that universe now.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #639 on: 03-28-2014 07:26 »

Happy Birthday Futurama!
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