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Box Incorporated

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« on: 09-08-2013 03:28 »

Discuss about Futurama and the generality of Futurama.
SolidSnake

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« Reply #1 on: 09-08-2013 03:34 »

I'm going with Box's thread. I'm used to him doing the threads. No offense to MRM though.
totalnerduk

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« Reply #2 on: 09-08-2013 03:36 »

Discuss about Futurama and the generality of Futurama.

How is this post in any way contributory to the discussion? You just wanted to be the person to start the topic, didn't you? If I had my way, you'd be thrown to an alligator.

Anyhow, UrL's idea about a PEELies-type thing for Futurama episodes has merit, IMO. Does anybody else want to do this, or is it just me and UrL? I think it'd be a neat thing to have, perhaps even running parallel to the actual PEELies at the end of the year (which of course would make a lot of work for whoever runs that, but I don't care because it won't be me this time).

Oh, UrL. I sent you that list of potential matchups even though it's not what you meant. I thought maybe you'd like to take a look anyway. Check your PMs.

Would anybody else like to play Fall Madness with futurama episodes? Let me know, and if there's enough interest I'll ask [-mArc-] to open the subforum and pester somebody else to take charge of it (so that I don't have to do any work and can simply enjoy taking part).
MeatablePie

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« Reply #3 on: 09-08-2013 03:37 »

So......
You guys wanna talk about...
What year you predict Futurama will come back?
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #4 on: 09-08-2013 03:40 »

I'm going with Box's thread. I'm used to him doing the threads. No offense to MRM though.
No offense taken. This one looks sexier anyways.

I'm all for a PEELies style thing for the episodes, too. It'd be cool to see which are the most and least popular around here, you know? Plus, it'd be a good guide of which episodes to watch first for newcomers to the series.

So......
You guys wanna talk about...
What year you predict Futurama will come back?
2066. In some sort of crappy live action reboot.
Box Incorporated

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« Reply #5 on: 09-08-2013 03:43 »

Discuss about Futurama and the generality of Futurama.

How is this post in any way contributory to the discussion? You just wanted to be the person to start the topic, didn't you? If I had my way, you'd be thrown to an alligator.
...just wanted to make the thread. Didn't really have much to say, so...sorry for offending you. You may have your walking up right alligator throw me out with its scaley arms whenever you'd like. By the way, would anyone want to do a Hurt and Heal tournament to rank every episode of the show?
MeatablePie

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« Reply #6 on: 09-08-2013 03:47 »

Discuss about Futurama and the generality of Futurama.

How is this post in any way contributory to the discussion? You just wanted to be the person to start the topic, didn't you? If I had my way, you'd be thrown to an alligator.
...just wanted to make the thread. Didn't really have much to say, so...sorry for offending you. You may have your walking up right alligator throw me out with its scaley arms whenever you'd like. By the way, would anyone want to do a Hurt and Heal tournament to rank every episode of the show?

If it could start a popular topic, then yes.
SolidSnake

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« Reply #7 on: 09-08-2013 03:49 »

So......
You guys wanna talk about...
What year you predict Futurama will come back?
2066. In some sort of crappy live action reboot.
That brings up a good topic. Will live action reboots be any better by the year 2066? Thankfully for me, I'll just have to live my life to find out.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #8 on: 09-08-2013 03:54 »

He's the conversation from the last thread in case nobody has any idea what tnuk's talking about.

Quote from: UnrealLegend

You know what I think might be a cool idea? Since the series is now over, a PEELies-style official voting thing on the best of Futurama would be neat. Group consensus is always interesting.


Quote from: totalnerduk

How do you see that working? Perhaps nominations for the best episode, then a vote, then nominations for the second, and so on? Or more of a randomised draw like Fall Madness, where two episodes square off against one another, with the winners going through to the next round? Or nominations for each of the 140 slots in which an episode could place?

That last one would be pretty effort-intensive.

I think that 70 initial pairings based on a random draw, and a Fall Madness style match-off would be the best way to rank episodes on a semi-official basis. It could even be placed in the Fall Madness sub-forum.

Gimme a moment (maybe an hour or so), and I'll come up with the initial 70 matches. Once I post that, we'll see who wants to play, and I'll ask [-mArc-] about re-opening the Fall Madness forum if there's sufficient interest.


Quote from: UnrealLegend

I was thinking votes for things like "Best episode", "Funniest episode", "Most Underrated", etc. There could be a few different categories and such. And it'd probably work better to just have people nominate their top three for each category like how we do it for POTM.


I'd be happy to get involved with this if it goes through. And tnuk, are those match-ups you sent me completely randomised, or was a bit of thought and logic put into them?
totalnerduk

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« Reply #9 on: 09-08-2013 03:59 »
« Last Edit on: 09-08-2013 04:02 »

A little from column A, a little from column B. I started with a list in production order and mixed them up, divided and shuffled the list a few times, etc. Then I split the list in half, and put the two halves next to each other. Where I saw episodes that were made pretty close to one another or where there seemed to be a very obvious winner, I switched things around so that the matches would be either from very different eras in the show's run, or more exciting and harder to call.

It's by no means anything definitive. It's very much a preliminary. If you'd like to use it, then go ahead and ask [-mArc-] to open the Madness forum and start putting up polls. If you'd like to refine it or want further input, go right ahead with that instead. Ignore it completely if you've no interest in Madness at this time.

I just thought I'd provide you with a starting point, and hoped that it would be the seed around which something fun could grow.

I should probably make it plain at this point that I'd rather not be one of the people running anything, and am only interested in helping a good idea to get off the ground. The rest of it will be up to somebody who isn't me.
MeatablePie

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« Reply #10 on: 09-08-2013 04:00 »

My chances of being a good nominee for Best New PEELer evaporated when Gene joined, then Monster, then Cartoon..

But it will still be fun to see who will win the PEELies.
totalnerduk

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« Reply #11 on: 09-08-2013 04:09 »

My chances of being a good nominee for Best New PEELer evaporated when...

That happened when you began posting, Meaty. It happened when you began posting. Don't worry though, I'm sure you'll make a good post one day - even if only by accident.

Anyway, we're not talking about the PEELies. We're talking about doing something in the style of the PEELies, but with Futurama episodes (and possibly writers?) as the recipients of the awards. I suppose they'd be more like the PEELuramies.

I think that the first step in holding the PEELuramies would be to get [-mArc-] to open a sub-board for it, and then to open a thread there to discuss what awards should actually be handed out.

UnrealLegend, I'm looking at you here. This was your idea. Pick a cadre of helper-elves and approach [-mArc-] as a supplicant. Then, the preliminaries can begin and the PEELuramies (that's a terrible name. You don't have to use it. Pick a better one) can begin.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #12 on: 09-08-2013 04:20 »

I've sent [-mArc-] a PM about it. Let's see how this goes.  smile
totalnerduk

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« Reply #13 on: 09-08-2013 04:26 »

I've sent [-mArc-] a PM about it.

Excellent. Oh, and one more thing. You must find the jade monkey before the next full moon.
MeatablePie

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« Reply #14 on: 09-08-2013 04:38 »

Any new categories in the PEELies 2013 not including the Futurama episode categories?
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #15 on: 09-08-2013 11:59 »

^ I think categories of PEELies will be chosen at the process (of PEELies) in the end of the year and won't include anything like Futurama episodes.

Now, this Fall Madness, or whatever, sounds very intriguing. I really hope it will happen.
GedeWK

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« Reply #16 on: 09-08-2013 14:01 »
« Last Edit on: 09-08-2013 14:26 »

I wish the next run will be like some 1-hour episode, like the previous resurrection, but not the 5-years waiting time for that.  laff

Please forgive me if my english or my grammar is bad. English isn't my primary language, also its Zoidberg's fault!
DannyJC13

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« Reply #17 on: 09-08-2013 16:11 »

What do you guys think of this?

Futurama: 6 Reasons It Should Have Stayed Cancelled
Beamer

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« Reply #18 on: 09-08-2013 16:22 »

On the same website boasting an article for "Family Guy: Quagmire's 10 Most Pervy Moments?" Yep, their opinion is definitely worth a damn. roll eyes
DannyJC13

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« Reply #19 on: 09-08-2013 16:23 »

I don't really agree with any of the points in that article at all.
Beamer

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« Reply #20 on: 09-08-2013 16:30 »
« Last Edit on: 09-08-2013 16:31 »

Yeah, you can't piss on everything made AFTER the original four seasons, and then praise the ending of the fourth DVD movie in your second damn point. Not to mention the argument about the show's visual style not having the same quality as it used to - that particular sequence cited was a little lazily done, but at least the off visual style can be attributed to the unusual lighting of the party. A few small nit-picky things aside (and it's not as if the original run never had any), the show's visuals have only grown more sophisticated and gorgeous-looking over the years. I'd agree there were a few too many current-day pop culture references - a regular complaint about the CC run which I see frequently - but the occasional bad line isn't enough to curb my entire perception of 52 damn episodes. Fuck the retard who wrote that, the whole article was just cynicism for the sake of cynicism.
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #21 on: 09-08-2013 20:28 »

You really shouldn't take much notice of anything on that site. Anyone can write for them, so long as you can string a couple of sentences together.

Case in point: I've written articles for them. In fact, I might just submit a counter-article about how Futurama's revival was a success and that guy's article is a load of nonsense.

The guy's arguments are complete crap. Almost all of his complaints come down to (his pretty misguided concept of) the conditions under which the new episodes were produced, yet he praises the DVD movies which were produced in pretty much exactly the same way.
totalnerduk

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« Reply #22 on: 09-08-2013 21:55 »
« Last Edit on: 09-09-2013 02:58 »

Y'know, each of the points that are made in that article are actually pretty valid.

The six points are (to sum up for the terminally lazy, who can't be bothered reading it again):

  • The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings was a decent conclusion to the original run. There was the hint of a resolution in there, with the overall story arc of Fry and Leela's relationship being wrapped up pretty nicely, and plenty of screentime devoted to the various characters that make up the secondary and tertiary cast. It was a good note to go out on, and some of the continuity it set up was trampled a little by the way that the movies treated Fry and Leela's relationship.
  • The end of the last of the DVD movies was also a pretty good one. It was an open-ended conclusion, and it wrapped things up quite nicely. There wasn't anything left dangling by it, other than the question of where the crew would end up after entering the wormhole.
  • The writing staff was reduced, the writing started to become lazier and less in tune with what had gone before it. There was an increased emphasis and reliance on shoehorned-in callbacks, stock phrases, and out of place pop culture references. Continuity was casually violated like a passed-out hooker at a football team's after-match party, and the show generally felt a little different.
  • The animation suffered as a result of the budget being cut.
  • Futurama became much more "mainstream accessible", and stopped being a "cult show" in the way that it had been before. Hordes of more casual fans joined the ranks of the viewers, and the show pandered unnecessarily to this new demographic, which was to its overall detriment.
  • Groening is a very rich man, thanks in part to milking The Simpsons until well past the point where the milk still tastes good. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that he had hopes of doing the same with Futurama. This would be a bad thing for the show, and it shouldn't exist solely to become the seed of a merchandising empire, because it will suffer for that in the long run.

Now, I'm not saying that I agree wholeheartedly with all of this. In fact, I think that the article vastly overstates the case for each of these points. But I do think that the following is true:

  • TDHAIP was a great episode, and a great finale for the show. As final curtain calls go, there have been far, far, worse and there have been many shows that have unceremoniously been dumped without a chance to resolve story arcs like Futurama got to. This is not a reason to not bring it back, but it's worth remembering that Futurama originally had a worthy swansong.
  • The ending of ITWGY wasn't quite the tour de force that TDHAIP was, but it was still a very good note on which to depart the stage. It was ended well for a second time, and at a point when most of what had been produced was of a very high quality all round. Again, this isn't a reason not to renew the show, but if cancellation represents death, Futurama had had a rich and full life. Twice. With a very worthy goodbye being said each time.
  • The writing did undergo a shift. Perhaps this wasn't due to laziness on the part of the writers, but it did undergo a shift after each cancellation. Futurama had lost its voice, and whilst it found a reasonably similar one, they were different.
  • The animation didn't get worse or anything, but there were small mistakes here and there which tended to get noticed and posted all over PEEL. Perhaps that helped to fuel this statement?
  • Futurama did find a wider audience, and this may have been either due to the writing shift in part, or part of why the writing shifted a little. Whatever the reason, it became more culturally pervasive. Nowhere near as much as its yellow-skinned cousin, but somewhere above the level that it had been recognised in the general population before cancellation. In attracting so many new fans from new demographics, it did lose something of its "cult status". Not that this really means much to a fan, but I guess that it probably annoyed the sort of people who only listen to obscure bands and refuse to drink certain beverages because that's what everybody else drinks.
  • Groening didn't get rich by not milking his successes. This point really doesn't amount to much, but it's at least based on something that's true enough.

Yeah, you can't piss on everything made AFTER the original four seasons, and then praise the ending of the fourth DVD movie in your second damn point.

The article specifically includes the movies with the original seasons, so this criticism doesn't really apply here.

A few small nit-picky things aside (and it's not as if the original run never had any), the show's visuals have only grown more sophisticated and gorgeous-looking over the years.

There have been a few animation goofs that have particularly stood out, and there has been a little less background detail overall. I think that's what the article is talking about. Sure, it's not a major thing. But it's still a thing that you'll see if you're looking for it.

the occasional bad line isn't enough to curb my entire perception of 52 damn episodes. Fuck the retard who wrote that, the whole article was just cynicism for the sake of cynicism.

Well, this depends on how much of a picky bastard you are. It might not be cynicism for the sake of cynicism so much as disappointment due to an initial over-abundance of optimism. Which tends to sound a lot like cynicism, I suppose. But to dismiss the entire thing out of hand is pretty cynical. Especially since some of the time, the author did have a point. He ruined it by over-stating it each time, but the core concept of each bullet point had some basis in reality.

You really shouldn't take much notice of anything on that site. Anyone can write for them, so long as you can string a couple of sentences together.

Just like PEEL. Hey, some of ours can't even string one sentence together properly. It's not a particularly wonderful site, and the article isn't top quality, but that doesn't mean that one day the author might actually learn how to write something better, and it doesn't mean that the site will never accidentally host something that might say something worth considering.

Case in point: I've written articles for them. In fact, I might just submit a counter-article about how Futurama's revival was a success and that guy's article is a load of nonsense.

I'm not sure that's going to get much of a better reception, since the fan community still seems to be divided right down the middle as to whether the new run was worth it or not. Plus, I'm not sure your article won't suffer from a few flaws of its own (if your posts here are anything to go by, it's going to be mainly angry stylistic flourishings with little of any substance to it, and thus just as bad as this author's butthurt hyperbole).

The guy's arguments are complete crap. Almost all of his complaints come down to (his pretty misguided concept of) the conditions under which the new episodes were produced, yet he praises the DVD movies which were produced in pretty much exactly the same way.

Y'know, the main thing he complains about overall is the shift in tone and style that the writing underwent between the movies and the CC run. The main arguments he makes about that are that there was less money available, there were fewer of the original "smart" and "nerdy" writers who had helped to define and cement the original run's style, and there was a faster* production schedule with a higher workload on fewer shoulders.

*The same number of man-hours as the first season for seasons six and seven, but with those hours spread amongst fewer men.

This wasn't actually the case when producing the movies. They had a higher budget than the CC seasons, they had a longer production schedule, and the staff were able to give a little more care and attention to each of them than they were the sixth and seventh seasons.

The drop in budget between the movies and the last two seasons is really only blamed hard for how the author perceives the animation to have been treated - and it's been said by quite a few people before, on PEEL. The lower animation budget has been blamed for a handful of obvious goofs here in several threads.

As much as it wasn't a top-quality article, it wasn't complete and total garbage either, and if you can filter out the hyperbole, it does have a few small points to make. Sure, they're not much of anything. Sure, they're really simple observations and it wasn't really worth much more than six simple bullet points. But if you'll notice something, the author is a fan just like you or I.

The author mentions hidden gems in the sixth and seventh seasons, he mentions the degree to which he loved the original episodes and the movies. He gives a passionate description of what he enjoyed so much about the end of the original run. He praises small details, he lauds the innovation of the 3D animation used in Futurama, and he calls it a "strong body of work". He mentions the show as "timeless", and calls the first four seasons "brilliant", whilst the four movies are described as "decent". The guy's a fan. He's disappointed by some of the new episodes, and he likes others. He's gone to the effort of writing about the reasons why he feels that the show should remain decently buried after dying for the third time, and whilst I don't necessarily agree with some of what he's said (and I've told you all a billion billion times I hate exaggeration, too), I can appreciate the sentiment that drove him to say it.

To call it cynicism and crap without being able to provide an actual, concrete example that shows why... that seems like either the very cynicism that the author is being accused of, or a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to me. Guys, he may have come to bury Futurama rather than to praise it, but do him the service of lending your ears, rather than simply waving your pitchforks and screaming "heretic!" at him (which is all you're doing unless you're going to take the time to go through each point and provide something relatively solid as a rebuttal).

Futurama has died three times. Each time that it's come back to life, I think it's lost a little something. Maybe not an enormous or terribly significant thing, but do we really want to end up with it a shambling monstrosity, lurching from one painful iteration to another? Let it rest. That was the guy's overall point. After three dignified send-offs, the show deserves to rest in peace before it becomes something that's truly deserving of both scathing criticism and unbridled cynicism.

For fuck's sake. I feel like I've just said something so goddamned obvious that it shouldn't even have needed to be said. What happened to that high level of collective intelligence that this board used to be justifiably proud of?
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #23 on: 09-08-2013 21:57 »

Nah, I wouldn't worry about what that article said.   It was probably someone who hates Futurama, and wanted to push some people's buttons.    It's never lost anything to me since when it keeps coming back,

Glad it was on for as long as it was.

totalnerduk

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« Reply #24 on: 09-08-2013 22:03 »

God damn it, Kurt.

Nah, I wouldn't worry about what that article said.   It was probably someone who hates Futurama,

Did you miss the parts where the author praised things about the show, and where I specifically pointed this out? Did you? Or do you just not feel like actually reading things, and skim over any post longer than the ingredients list on the back of a shampoo bottle?

But if you'll notice something, the author is a fan just like you or I.

The author mentions hidden gems in the sixth and seventh seasons, he mentions the degree to which he loved the original episodes and the movies. He gives a passionate description of what he enjoyed so much about the end of the original run. He praises small details, he lauds the innovation of the 3D animation used in Futurama, and he calls it a "strong body of work". He mentions the show as "timeless", and calls the first four seasons "brilliant", whilst the four movies are described as "decent". The guy's a fan. He's disappointed by some of the new episodes, and he likes others

Do I need to start using red, bouncing, text again?
SolidSnake

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« Reply #25 on: 09-08-2013 22:15 »

God damn it, Kurt.

Nah, I wouldn't worry about what that article said.   It was probably someone who hates Futurama,

Did you miss the parts where the author praised things about the show, and where I specifically pointed this out? Did you? Or do you just not feel like actually reading things, and skim over any post longer than the ingredients list on the back of a shampoo bottle?

But if you'll notice something, the author is a fan just like you or I.

The author mentions hidden gems in the sixth and seventh seasons, he mentions the degree to which he loved the original episodes and the movies. He gives a passionate description of what he enjoyed so much about the end of the original run. He praises small details, he lauds the innovation of the 3D animation used in Futurama, and he calls it a "strong body of work". He mentions the show as "timeless", and calls the first four seasons "brilliant", whilst the four movies are described as "decent". The guy's a fan. He's disappointed by some of the new episodes, and he likes others

Do I need to start using red, bouncing, text again?
Yes, yes you do Tnuk. Your show has gone downhill since you stopped using it.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #26 on: 09-09-2013 00:15 »

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They got a response calling for more Futurama. What a giant garbage ball of a mistake that was,
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They Ended The Show Beautifully At The End Of The 4 Movies



totalnerduk

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« Reply #27 on: 09-09-2013 00:39 »
« Last Edit on: 09-09-2013 00:43 »

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They got a response calling for more Futurama. What a giant garbage ball of a mistake that was,
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They Ended The Show Beautifully At The End Of The 4 Movies

[Terrible macro referencing irony]

That's... not ironic. Not ironic at all. In context, the statement regarding the call for more Futurama refers to the response to the movies. The author is calling the call for more Futurama after the movies a mistake. They're not actually contradicting themselves.

It's an example of both situational irony and dramatic irony (and yes, that's different from regular irony, and not just because it's looking for attention), you thought you were pointing out an example of the article's author saying something stupid, but ended up saying something stupid yourself. I do hope that the significance of this revelation isn't lost on you, because it's pretty funny. laff
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #28 on: 09-09-2013 00:52 »

As far as I'm concerned, "Meanwhile" is a better finale than "The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings" and "Into the Wild Green Yonder" put together.

I think that "Devil's Hands" is the better episode, but "Meanwhile" is the better finale.

Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, the article's first two points are pretty much nullified and that's 1/3 of the argument gone.

I'd agree with the rest of its points to an extent (on the whole, the writing got less consistent and felt more strained and there were more moments where the animation went off-model), but it's the notion that a few small moments somehow undermine a good amount of absolutely fantastic episodes to the point that they shouldn't have made any of them is just silly.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #29 on: 09-09-2013 01:03 »

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They got a response calling for more Futurama. What a giant garbage ball of a mistake that was,
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They Ended The Show Beautifully At The End Of The 4 Movies

[Terrible macro referencing irony]

That's... not ironic. Not ironic at all. In context, the statement regarding the call for more Futurama refers to the response to the movies. The author is calling the call for more Futurama after the movies a mistake. They're not actually contradicting themselves.

It's an example of both situational irony and dramatic irony (and yes, that's different from regular irony, and not just because it's looking for attention), you thought you were pointing out an example of the article's author saying something stupid, but ended up saying something stupid yourself. I do hope that the significance of this revelation isn't lost on you, because it's pretty funny. laff
Well, now I feel stupid roll eyes

I see what you mean. I thought he was saying the call for more after season 4 was the mistake, not after the movies.Thanks for clearing that up.
totalnerduk

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« Reply #30 on: 09-09-2013 01:16 »
« Last Edit on: 09-09-2013 01:39 »

As far as I'm concerned, "Meanwhile" is a better finale than "The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings" and "Into the Wild Green Yonder" put together.

I think that "Devil's Hands" is the better episode, but "Meanwhile" is the better finale.

Whilst I agree with these statements wholeheartedly, that doesn't mean that the other two finales were not well done, or a fitting and worthy end to the series.

Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, the article's first two points are pretty much nullified and that's 1/3 of the argument gone.

The article didn't say that there was no way that TDHAIP and ITWGY could ever be topped, just that there was no real need to do so. They were good as finales in their own right. They are both decent notes for the show to go out on. The article doesn't state that they are the greatest possible note for the end of the show, just that they were done well.

Thus, Meanwhile being a much better finale than either of them (even if it does have its flaws as an episode) doesn't in any way nullify the observation that TDHAIP and ITWGY are good in their own right.

but it's the notion that a few small moments somehow undermine a good amount of absolutely fantastic episodes to the point that they shouldn't have made any of them is just silly.

Y'know what? I agree completely with that. It's silly. There are some good episodes, and some great individual moments within episodes in the new run. The fact that there's some crap in no way diminishes these, and the notion that it wasn't worth doing seasons six and seven due to the episodes that fell totally flat is ludicrous. However, it would have been nice to see Futurama's final two seasons give a fuller account of themselves - the fact that there are almost as many that fall below the bar as there are that rise above it means that it probably should stay in the land of re-runs and home DVD viewings.

Though, I suppose a last and definitive finale as a feature film might have some promise. I think I could maybe get a little bit excited about that.

Thanks for clearing that up.

That'll be $10.77 please.
Beamer

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« Reply #31 on: 09-09-2013 03:27 »

There have been a few animation goofs that have particularly stood out, and there has been a little less background detail overall. I think that's what the article is talking about. Sure, it's not a major thing. But it's still a thing that you'll see if you're looking for it.

Now see, that is a valid argument. But it is not the argument made on the article, where the author specifically called out the animation of the new run as being "lazy" and then used a single rare example that didn't accurately depict the overall visual style of the new run; which has been near-unanimously praised for the most part. Futurama has always looked spectacular, and advances in technology and the change to high definition have only added to the spectacle. Yes, there are gaffes and the occassional moment that could've looked a lot better if they had more time to work on it - but those exist in both runs, not just the CC era.

but it's the notion that a few small moments somehow undermine a good amount of absolutely fantastic episodes to the point that they shouldn't have made any of them is just silly.

This quote pretty much summed up my following argument exactly. If the article was titled, say, "Why the CC run of Futurama wasn't as good as the Fox run," I could understand. To outright declare it should have stayed cancelled (which, yes, would technically include the DVD movies - they may not have known whether or not they'd be producing more after Into the Wild Green Yonder, but if we're using the word "cancel," the show has only been cancelled twice); to ignore the merit that the CC run had even as its best and pose that it never should have been made? That is pure cynicism.
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« Reply #32 on: 09-09-2013 03:33 »

Watching TV, Lethal Inspection came on. Started crying 5 minutes in, because of how much I missed everyone. Watching Bender's evilness, Amy's clutziness (I don't even know if that's the right way to spell that), Fry's adorable stupidness, Leela's carelessness, Professor's craziness, Zoidberg's loneliness, Hermes's boringness, Scruffy's moustacheness, all added up to my tremendous sadness.

 frown cry cry

I am going to miss this show so much.

Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #33 on: 09-09-2013 03:47 »
« Last Edit on: 09-09-2013 03:48 »

Watching TV, Lethal Inspection came on. Started crying 5 minutes in, because of how much I missed everyone. Watching Bender's evilness, Amy's clutziness (I don't even know if that's the right way to spell that), Fry's adorable stupidness, Leela's carelessness, Professor's craziness, Zoidberg's loneliness, Hermes's boringness, Scruffy's moustacheness, all added up to my tremendous sadness.

 frown cry cry

I am going to miss this show so much.

I feel your pain, Seestah. cry

That feeling is what made Meanwhile even more meaningful to me when I was first watching it; the whole time, I was thinking, "This could be it, the very last time you see all of your favorite characters". It's hard to rewatch older episodes for me now, as there's such a mix of nostalgia and melancholiness that it's hard not to feel a little bit sad. It also makes even the worst episodes seem good in some way, knowing that you may never see these guys again.

 I know this feeling will eventually go away, most likely sooner than later, but as of right now it's very strong.

However, it does make you think about what an impact Futurama has had on you and your life. It's been entertaining me for over a year now, and it will continue to for many years to come. It's made me laugh, cry, and even occasionally applaud, and in the end it's one of the best shows to  have ever been on TV, and it's definitely my favorite show ever overall.

I'm also sorry for being off-topic, but I just felt like sharing my thoughts.
GedeWK

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« Reply #34 on: 09-09-2013 05:10 »

What if Futurama is airing until 2050?
Beamer

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« Reply #35 on: 09-09-2013 05:16 »

No show should last that long.
GedeWK

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« Reply #36 on: 09-09-2013 05:29 »

Well i cant picture that either. Thats why im asking it.
Beamer

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« Reply #37 on: 09-09-2013 05:33 »

It would be horrible and I wouldn't even want to imagine it. Just look at how bad The Simpsons is right now. frown
GedeWK

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« Reply #38 on: 09-09-2013 05:39 »

And the characters will going to be an old crew, according to the show's year that follows the real world's year. How horrible that would be.
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #39 on: 09-09-2013 07:55 »

Interestingly, they don't (obviously) age, even though the time passes. They should look little older after 14 years, right? Well, maybe that difference wouldn't show in animated characters, but I doubt they would change them.
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