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PEE Poll: How did this long-awaited Finale turn out to be?
1/10 The Worst Turd Sandwich ever.   -2 (2.1%)
2/10 Burn it! To Radioactive Vapor!   -0 (0%)
3/10 That was a Final Episode? Bah!   -1 (1.1%)
4/10 Wait, how could they......   -1 (1.1%)
5/10 Mix these mixed nuts!   -0 (0%)
6/10 Only a decent Finale Show. Sigh   -0 (0%)
7/10 Not bad. I've seen better though.   -1 (1.1%)
8/10 This guy's alright to be a finale.   -13 (13.7%)
9/10 This was great.   -21 (22.1%)
10/10 The Bestest Finale in the Universe.   -56 (58.9%)
Total Voters: 95

Inquisitor Hein
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #80 on: 09-05-2013 08:04 »
« Last Edit on: 09-05-2013 08:10 »

As serene and peaceful as it is, i'm sure it's.....HEY! I just realized, this never cleared up "The other!"

Fry's only motivation to save the universe was Leela.  Without her, Fry would not have performed that task. Therefore, she was basically as essential for the saving as Fry.
The prophecy could have read "The chosen one will only save the universe because of the other".
"Being the reason to save the universe" basically grants an equal importance to "actually saving the universe".

Also Nibbler just could have made that one up to get Fry finally do his bidding.
"Leela is my only reason to save the universe" "Leela who? Erm..I mean..oh yeah...there is even... a prophecy, yeah a prophecy about her. And...um...it stated you end up with her, too. Will you save the universe now?" "Okay"

Also, Meanwhile picked up a motive from "The Why of Fry".
Why of Fry: To get Leela > Save the universe
Meanwhile: Having Leela > The universe can wait

When typing these lines, ABBFT and IAGGAL came to mind.
When believing to be "the last of her kind", and "Adam and Eve" idea was picked up by Leela. Her and Fry being the last actively living persons in the universe, that thought should have occured.
MuchAdo

Professor
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« Reply #81 on: 09-05-2013 08:06 »

This truly was the best episode of the CC run!

I must watch it again and again!
Eternium

Professor
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« Reply #82 on: 09-05-2013 08:31 »

Wow, this was AMAZING! The first 2 acts were great and funny and the last act had tears in my eyes all the time love

10/10
Juliet

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #83 on: 09-05-2013 08:49 »

A nice way of watching Futurama final is with my partner and my baby girl.

Aww what can I say about the final episode of Futurama. It was beautiful and amazing. Seeing Fry and Leela spending their lives together was really touching. I do love the wedding speech. I was really in shock with Fry's fall and the looping but it was pretty good. Also it was really good to see Craterface again. I loved him.
Juliet

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #84 on: 09-05-2013 09:01 »

How can I forget Bender's best quote from the episode. "My little meat bag all grown up" aww!
Fnord
Starship Captain
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« Reply #85 on: 09-05-2013 09:05 »


I think Leela's best quote was the one about saving Fry after he died one more time. (Hey, I'm not a shipper, okay???)

Of the three "end of the series" episodes, I think this one is the best.
DarrinPA

Bending Unit
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« Reply #86 on: 09-05-2013 09:06 »

I haven't posted here in forever... Anyways, I think it was a fitting end and showing the pilot episode after it made so much sense. Seeing Fry age really made me feel strange considering I remember watching the Pilot Episode as a young kid. I hope this isn't the end, but we'll see.
Lyra405

Bending Unit
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« Reply #87 on: 09-05-2013 09:08 »

How could I not give it a 10/10?
Tachyon

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« Reply #88 on: 09-05-2013 10:06 »
« Last Edit on: 09-05-2013 10:08 »


I thought Meanwhile was very satisfying.  Comfortably emotional, not intense emotional.  I smiled a lot while watching it, and Jezzem's

"One thing I liked about this episode was that the stakes seemed genuinely high. I found myself thinking 'how are they going to get out of this?!' at several points during the episode."

articulated my feelings about it rather well.  it really kept my attention, and the plot time-twists and turns were very clever.

Game of Tones had me crying like a kid whose puppy ran away.  This ep had a different sort of emotion for me, and I think it was very fitting for a (hopefully not) final episode.  9/10.

cyber_turnip

Urban Legend
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« Reply #89 on: 09-05-2013 11:01 »

That was easily my favourite episode of season 7.

I really enjoyed it. Despite its flaws, the emotion all felt sincere and it wasn't rammed down your throat.

It wasn't gut-bustingly hilarious, but most of the jokes worked and there was very little in the way of cringe-factor, unlike most of season 7.

I sort of wish that they'd gone back and edited out the part where the Professor shows up at the end once they found out that they weren't coming back. I suppose then they'd still be lacking for a sense of closure for the episode, but it had a great sense of truly being the ending up until that cheap deus ex machina cop out, which to be fair, made for a nice "open end" akin to their previous ones.

I hugely preferred it to "Overclockwise" and "Into the Wild Green Yonder" but, of course, it wasn't as good as "The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings".

9/10 by Futurama's standards, 10/10 by overall TV standards
Inquisitor Hein
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #90 on: 09-05-2013 11:25 »


I sort of wish that they'd gone back and edited out the part where the Professor shows up at the end once they found out that they weren't coming back. I suppose then they'd still be lacking for a sense of closure for the episode, but it had a great sense of truly being the ending up until that cheap deus ex machina cop out, which to be fair, made for a nice "open end" akin to their previous ones.

I expected/hoped for some "The Universe will sort the problems out itself" plot.

TLPJF was themed on such an uncaring, huge universe, which was in the end unaffected by human actions. Or to a certain degree also "Roswell that ends well", in which the universe could not have given less fucks wether Fry ended up his own grandfather.

(I think it was Terry Pratchett who once said in a novel (no literal quote): "Whatever you worry about time....forget it. Time has been there from the very beginning, and knows everything you could ever come up with. You go back and think it's a problem you become your own ancestor or kill one of them? No way. Since it existed, time already took that into consideration and was prepared for it")
SilverWolf

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« Reply #91 on: 09-05-2013 11:52 »

I loved it.

Being the last person in the universe with only one other person for company until you die is probably the worst problem they've ever faced. And yet, they were happy; Leela moreso than Fry.

Imagine going clubbing and meeting no-one, getting your own drink cause no-one can serve you, no new art or entertainment being made, no-one to laugh with except one person, all the animals are as good as dead, no news, no politics, no night, no day, the sky always looks the same, there's no change in weather, day in, day out there's nothing to do (except travel around).

Sure, I hate my job, I hate having to work, I hate waiting in line for things...but day in day out of nothing and nobody (save one person) would be a nightmare. For a few years, it would be bareable but for eternity? No friends? Forever?

What happened to Fry and Leela was awful really but they *did* rise above it. I was so happy it was reversed, but it shows how strong their relationship is. You really do need other people in your life other than your partner. Or things would become very claustrophobic very quickly...unless you're Leela and Fry.

It was lovely, and I was hoping for some ambiguity.



Imy

Bending Unit
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« Reply #92 on: 09-05-2013 12:52 »

Nope, I've decided I love the episode. It's perfection. I was in a state of denial and rage with my prior critique, pay it no mind. Now, I just need to be consoled.

SilverWolf

Crustacean
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« Reply #93 on: 09-05-2013 13:11 »

Have a drink on me. smile

Imy

Bending Unit
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« Reply #94 on: 09-05-2013 13:23 »

*sniff* cheers, pal. smile

I'll have 42 tequila slammers and a stein of meed.
DotheBartman

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #95 on: 09-05-2013 13:47 »

I loved it and consider this episode better than the original finale a decade ago.

Once time stalls, it has a very Twilight Zone quality to it. It's legitimately one of the better sci-fi stories they've done.

And the ending was perfect. I've always thought some kind of definitive close-off would be the wrong way to go. This lets us know they'll have plenty more adventures off screen.

It brought a tear to my eye and I thought it was basically perfect. Well done.
Destroyer334545

Bending Unit
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« Reply #96 on: 09-05-2013 14:02 »

It was my favourite New run Episode
10/10
GedeWK

Bending Unit
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« Reply #97 on: 09-05-2013 14:03 »

This is a perfect episode.. in my opinion. Yeah, i thought the ending will be like "there will be no episode after this, this is the absolute ending". But, in fact, the old Fry and Leela were back to the past and forgots everything, so theres no "actual" old Fry and Leela (their future isn't explained). Good way to continue the series without affecting the ending, or vice versa.
Yeah if i'm Fry in this episode i'll kill myself. i can live with my wife, but i cant live without night, and without other people.
Perfect.
El-Man

Urban Legend
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« Reply #98 on: 09-05-2013 14:07 »

I woke up this morning worrying they might go for a tragic ending. I know some folks here might have enjoyed that, but it would be completely against the show's comedic premise.

But I got that feeling again when Fry & Leela went back up the building at the end, and I had the horrible thought they might jump off together. Then the Prof showed up, and the ending was revealed.

My biggest sigh of relief in the history of the show, I tell ya.

While it did feel final, and seven seasons is plenty, it's still open enough that a single, galaxy-spanning, menace-defeating, question-answering, ship-finalising, theatre-release movie is still possible.

As we all know - never say never.

Then again, I'd be happy to leave Futurama there, too. Mixed feelings right now, of course - sad that it's gone, but happy it was done so well. 10/10.
Binder

Starship Captain
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« Reply #99 on: 09-05-2013 14:41 »

Great finale! 10/10

I'm surprised, however, that many people believe that following the "reset", the universe starts over or the series starts over. The Professor clearly says the rest will occur when he conceives of the time button. So... potentially just as Meanwhile begins, so too does the reset. So really, they're trapped in a loop of Meanwhile, not the entirety of the series.

I watched the episode again to see if Farnsworth made mention of conceiving the time button 13 years ago or something, but nope.

In that event, it's a great open-ended yet conclusive finale. Should the series never return, Meanwhile loops for infinity and Fry and Leela spend their lives together forever. Should the series return, they work out a sci-fi twist. Perhaps things don't go exactly the same the second time and time continues as it does. Fry proposes to Leela in real time and they marry in real time.

I will say that I loved this MUCH more than The Devil's Hands. I do like that episode a lot, but it isn't my favorite of the series and it not my favorite finale.
SilverWolf

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« Reply #100 on: 09-05-2013 14:44 »
« Last Edit on: 09-05-2013 14:48 »

I woke up this morning worrying they might go for a tragic ending. I know some folks here might have enjoyed that, but it would be completely against the show's comedic premise.

But I got that feeling again when Fry & Leela went back up the building at the end, and I had the horrible thought they might jump off together.10/10.

That's interesting. I never thought they'd jump. It seems very un-leelaish, even as an elderly person. So glad it didn't happen, would have been awful. It's bad enough Fry was so stupid. *makes angry face at Fry*

bnevs18

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« Reply #101 on: 09-05-2013 14:47 »
« Last Edit on: 09-05-2013 14:51 »

IMO, they CANT leave the series like this...again, the whole thing is that nothing in the almost entire episode ever really happened!!  Thats ok to do like Family Guy's 100th episode as a ZOINKS!! to the fans, but as a series finale?
 I did enjoy most of it (except for the constant deaths and suicide theme), with some great moments "my meatbag is growing up", the final minute or so was just too abrupt and unresolving.  I much preferred The LatePJF and Overclockwise (marriage and life isnt perfect, there are ups and downs but in the end Fry&Leela get it right) for the Fry/Leela relationship to this.

The ending was just chopped off so quickly and nothing really happened, so Zoidberg's episode becomes the last episode to actually happen.  I just hope they make 2 movies, one to go all shipper and one to tie up all the threads and just show F+L living out a mostly happy but realistic life together.

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So really, they're trapped in a loop of Meanwhile, not the entirety of the series.
That is correct

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In that event, it's a great open-ended yet conclusive finale.
Horribly terrifying conclusion...its great for Fry and Leela (exept for Fry dying an infinite number of times) but bad for just about everyone else.

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But I got that feeling again when Fry & Leela went back up the building at the end, and I had the horrible thought they might jump off together
I didnt have that thought, and glad I didnt, but it was a possibility.


And noone sees the connection to Stargate SG1's finale?
GedeWK

Bending Unit
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« Reply #102 on: 09-05-2013 15:08 »

What? Resetting the broken universe with time button will sets back to the first episode? Futurama isn't like that, and will be never like that. But, if this is the actual FINAL episode, that will be a good conclusion, but still inaccurate, yeah binder's right the logic is they will back to right before the universe broke. But if that happens, will Fry be die falling or he falls to the time remote again?
Binder

Starship Captain
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« Reply #103 on: 09-05-2013 15:19 »

I guess the Professor's use of the word "conceive" could mean a lot of things (making babies, lol). He could mean the moment he thought up the idea, which could be at any point in his life. Thankfully, they didn't drop in a line like "I thought it up while you were all away on your first deilvery thirteen years ago.". "Conceive" could also mean the moment he built it, which is likely during the events of Meanwhile before he came out and tested it out. Or, it could be the moment he first used it when he entered the conference room the second time in Meanwhile.

I'd like to think it's the last one, and as of now the events of Meanwhile are looping forever. Should the series return, they could easily have a way out by having something happen differently after the reset which stops the events of Meanwhile from happening.

However... I'd hate to see Meanwhile wiped out for the sake of another renewal. It really was a fantastic finale that I don't know if they can top.

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My one beef is that this means a movie or the comics continuing the story is unlikely. Futurama Comics will likely move onwards into 3014 and beyond with Fry and Leela just dating, and no real forward momentum for characters. At the very least, I'd hope they bring Zoidberg's girlfriend into the comics.

Actually, it would be really fun if they established that the comics timeline is a separate universe from the series so that we can see Fry and Leela marry and allow for the comics staff to move the series forward without being tied to keeping things in a unmoving state.
Beamer

Space Pope
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« Reply #104 on: 09-05-2013 15:21 »

This episode was utterly perfect. A really, really beautiful finale for the show. I almost hope it never comes back after seeing that. I'll give it a more thorough comment later, but for now, 10/10.
My Manwich

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #105 on: 09-05-2013 16:04 »

I guess the Professor's use of the word "conceive" could mean a lot of things (making babies, lol). He could mean the moment he thought up the idea, which could be at any point in his life. Thankfully, they didn't drop in a line like "I thought it up while you were all away on your first deilvery thirteen years ago.". "Conceive" could also mean the moment he built it, which is likely during the events of Meanwhile before he came out and tested it out. Or, it could be the moment he first used it when he entered the conference room the second time in Meanwhile.

I'd like to think it's the last one, and as of now the events of Meanwhile are looping forever. Should the series return, they could easily have a way out by having something happen differently after the reset which stops the events of Meanwhile from happening.

However... I'd hate to see Meanwhile wiped out for the sake of another renewal. It really was a fantastic finale that I don't know if they can top.

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My one beef is that this means a movie or the comics continuing the story is unlikely. Futurama Comics will likely move onwards into 3014 and beyond with Fry and Leela just dating, and no real forward momentum for characters. At the very least, I'd hope they bring Zoidberg's girlfriend into the comics.

Actually, it would be really fun if they established that the comics timeline is a separate universe from the series so that we can see Fry and Leela marry and allow for the comics staff to move the series forward without being tied to keeping things in a unmoving state.

If you watched Futurama Live last night on of the producers suggested a line just like that and Cohen instantly yelled GET OUT OF HERE.
DotheBartman

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #106 on: 09-05-2013 16:12 »

Incidentally, is the whole Live thing still viewable anywhere? I only saw pieces of it.
Binder

Starship Captain
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« Reply #107 on: 09-05-2013 16:13 »

Oh god. A complete series loop would reek of Mighty Max final episode.
My Manwich

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #108 on: 09-05-2013 16:19 »

Incidentally, is the whole Live thing still viewable anywhere? I only saw pieces of it.

I used the link provided by the Futurama Facebook page and unfortunately it doesn't appear to be working anymore.
Zed 85

Space Pope
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« Reply #109 on: 09-05-2013 16:56 »

I'm  a little confused - so they all go back to the second the Professor conceives the button - but won't remember a thing - but does the Professor rebuild or not?

That may have been asked earlier...

Anyway, what else can I say?
10/10
My Manwich

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #110 on: 09-05-2013 16:59 »

I'm  a little confused - so they all go back to the second the Professor conceives the button - but won't remember a thing - but does the Professor rebuild or not?

That may have been asked earlier...

Anyway, what else can I say?
10/10

We really don't know.
Beamer

Space Pope
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« Reply #111 on: 09-05-2013 17:19 »

I'm  a little confused - so they all go back to the second the Professor conceives the button - but won't remember a thing - but does the Professor rebuild or not?

That's called "leaving the door open for renewal but also serving as an ending." wink
coldangel

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #112 on: 09-05-2013 17:26 »

It was shit.

Nah, I enjoyed it. As an episode on its own, fantastic use of high (by American TV standards) concept sci-fi, which Futurama has always done without dumbing it down overly. As a (possible...?) final episode ever, it had nice human emotion. Limited by the format, it could have had more focus on the ensemble, but really it's always been about Fry and Leela. And Bender.

I had hoped for an epic final battle against the Brainspawn in a three-hour special, but that was never going to happen. This is an acceptable alternative.
Sof

Bending Unit
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« Reply #113 on: 09-05-2013 17:56 »

Ok,now I'm more relaxed now,but yeah I still all "What the hell was that?!" because seriously I wasn't expecting that.

Such a good ending, and actually made me like the Fry/Leela relationship again (my 15 years old shipper is happy) because was fair for both, there wasn't a bitchy Leela or Fry being crybaby and they were happy together (also see them old and happy together....ouch my heart) and they actually learned from their mistakes, thing that Overclickwise never had.

I dunno,if consider myself a Freela shipper,but now I see their relationship with another eyes.

And,well I gave it a 9/10
Dorsal Axe

Bending Unit
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« Reply #114 on: 09-05-2013 18:00 »
« Last Edit on: 09-05-2013 18:15 »

Special mention goes to the Professor's "Geee Nnnn, Eeee" line
Louiswuenator

Starship Captain
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« Reply #115 on: 09-05-2013 18:13 »

I had hoped for an epic final battle against the Brainspawn in a three-hour special, but that was never going to happen.
Glad I'm not the only one who feels like the Brainspawn deserved another shot at making people stupid.  I think they're Fry's ultimate antagonists, and it would have been nice to finally closed out their arc in a final confrontation with the Nibblonians (and the rest of the Universe.)  Except this time everybody will know how Fry is the only one who can beat them.  That would definitely give Leela a ladyboner.

Anyway, getting back on track.

I loved this episode all the way up til the very end.  The jokes weren't densely packed as usual, but they were good and never made me cringe.  (Except for the gore - that made me cringe in the best way possible.  I can't wait to see Randi's reaction to this ep evil laugh)  A few great callbacks definitely set the mood for the finale in a way I haven't felt before and the tone was pretty much spot on.  I'm not sure how I feel about the montage and people have made very good points on how we only saw their relationship grow in a stasis without any hardship, without a lot of meaning.  However, this is what they chose and I'll proceed from that.  So, about the ending.

I do like the symbolism of coming back to the spot and drinking the champagne that had been sitting there for ~ ten seconds, but the professor's appearance and solution to the problem was way too abrupt.  I definitely thought, This is it? when the credits rolled.

Here's how I would have ended it (based on the montage as an assumption.)  Fry and Leela have their extended honeymoon, except that they realize fairly early on that the blue energy is the professor in some form, being able to communicate in a static-like voice.  He keeps pestering them, making jabs at fry for being a dimwit and at Leela for killing him.  At first this is annoying to them, but eventually they learn to tune him out and the professor stops bugging them as much, preferring to focus his energy on finding a way to restart time.  Eventually they all travel together as a sort of weird family, with Fry, Leela, and their g-g-g-g-g-g-great grandson floating around.

At the end, they make it to the Vampire Tower again, (or some equally suitable place) and instead of having the professor fix everything right there, Fry and Leela just enjoy a quality moment together.  Their last lines are something like this:

Leela: "Do you think we'll ever get back to the way things were?"  Fry: "Eh, I'm sure the professor will think of something."  They hold each other close.

Then a slow zoom out to the professor's static-ey form floating about, grumbling about quantum chonitons etc.  Fade to black.  Bam!  Spiceweasel.

To make a long story short, I definitely enjoyed this episode a lot.  An acceptable ending to the series, though I would have done the very end differently.  I'd give it an 8.  Now I'm going to go bury my head in a pillow for a few minutes.
Inquisitor Hein
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #116 on: 09-05-2013 18:22 »


I had hoped for an epic final battle against the Brainspawn in a three-hour special, but that was never going to happen. This is an acceptable alternative.

You should totally write an illustrated fanfic about that theme wink
Louiswuenator

Starship Captain
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« Reply #117 on: 09-05-2013 18:36 »

You should totally write an illustrated fanfic about that theme wink
You mean like something about the fabric of spacetime breaking down the barriers between fiction and reality? smile
DannyJC13

Space Pope
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« Reply #118 on: 09-05-2013 18:41 »

10/10

Oh wow. Just wow. That was extremely hilarious and epic and sad. frown

The second act with Fry constantly dying made me laugh harder than I have in a while. Just great. I'm gonna miss this show too much. cry
bnevs18

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« Reply #119 on: 09-05-2013 18:44 »
« Last Edit on: 09-05-2013 18:46 »

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but the professor's appearance and solution to the problem was way too abrupt.  I definitely thought, This is it? when the credits rolled.

My whole thing exactly...the other problems with it (the whole episode never happened, F+L didnt live a real life together) take a big back seat to the amazingly abrupt ending.
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