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PEE Poll: How did this long-awaited Finale turn out to be?
1/10 The Worst Turd Sandwich ever.   -2 (2.1%)
2/10 Burn it! To Radioactive Vapor!   -0 (0%)
3/10 That was a Final Episode? Bah!   -1 (1.1%)
4/10 Wait, how could they......   -1 (1.1%)
5/10 Mix these mixed nuts!   -0 (0%)
6/10 Only a decent Finale Show. Sigh   -0 (0%)
7/10 Not bad. I've seen better though.   -1 (1.1%)
8/10 This guy's alright to be a finale.   -12 (12.8%)
9/10 This was great.   -21 (22.3%)
10/10 The Bestest Finale in the Universe.   -56 (59.6%)
Total Voters: 94

imdcathsmeow

Crustacean
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« Reply #240 on: 11-06-2013 04:26 »

Ken Keeler is the best choice to write season finales.
Beamer

Space Pope
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« Reply #241 on: 11-06-2013 04:42 »

What about the beloved Carolyn Premish? frown
Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #242 on: 12-08-2013 21:08 »
« Last Edit on: 12-13-2013 05:11 »

I have no idea what was going through my head while I was writing this, really. This is a great episode, one of the very best no doubt, and for me to go nuts and nitpick it like a cheeto-munching nerdlinger is just annoying and stereotypical. As Danny says below, these were jokes, and weren't meant to be taken seriously at all. I have no clue how I missed that; Shame on Me, huh?
Rest assured, all I said was bull. I love this one, ten out of ten, all that good stuff.

The rant's below, but beware, reading it may cause your mind to melt in stupefied disbelief of how retarded it is.  tongue

SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #243 on: 12-10-2013 18:25 »

Your complaints are pretty ridiculous, I gotta admit.

Complaining about the Ultra Guy shop was pretty stupid. That's like complaining about the Crack Mansion in "Three Hundred Big Boys", or the Horse Racing track in "Luck of the Fryrish". And I wouldn't really compare the mutilation of the episode to Ren and Stimpy, honestly.

Also, Futurama's done plenty of "cartoony gags" before, even in the original run. You all of a sudden complaining about it in this one episode is pretty hypocritical. And the Fry-Falling thing played out as long as it did for a reason: So we could get with the frozen universe already. I thought it was the best way to bring them onto there without making it feel shoe-horned in, or crammed in there.

I haven't watched the Finale since September, but I still absolutely love it. I don't mind all the stupid stuff you brought up. At least everything had an explanation to it, unlike other shows.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #244 on: 12-10-2013 19:45 »

I never said I didn't like how long Fry's falling from the building lasted; I definitely agree that it was the best way to transition into the frozen universe.

I don' absolutely hate the things I listed, as a side note. I just thought they stood out as sort of odd, at least to me. And yes, Futurama definitely has had plenty of Cartoony (Is there an actual word for that?) gags before, but I just thought some of these pushed it a little; but not to the point of making this a bad episode.

All the other parts of the episode were amazing, and I guess I still give it a 10, after rethinking it a little. Great story, great comedy, great overall everything; I just thought some jokes were a little strange.  smile
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #245 on: 12-10-2013 23:03 »

Cool, cool.

I mean I agree some parts could have been better though. Although I am extremely satisfied/LOVED the finale we got.
DannyJC13

Space Pope
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« Reply #246 on: 12-11-2013 22:53 »

How did a clam tear off a human hand? Why was the scene even necessary?!

Comedy. wink
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #247 on: 12-15-2013 23:48 »
« Last Edit on: 12-15-2013 23:50 »

I just rewatched this for the first time since September. And holy damn, this episode feels a hell of a lot better to me than it did before. Like before, I couldn't tell if it was great or just average, because I was still undergoing the stages of loss (Or my own version of it, at least). Over time, I never really knew how I exactly felt about the episode, like I never completely made up my mind on how I felt about it, besides it being a good finale.

But now I'm positive this was a really great finale AND episode as well. One of the best post-cancellation ones, definitely. Maybe even in a top 15 list too, perhaps. The third act had a pretty damn good affect of choking me up. And the ep pretty much had everything that makes me love Futurama. Both the old and new series.

So I don't exactly remember what my old score was (9/10, 8/10?) but my new score is now a pure 10/10. I'd be completely okay if the series stayed dead with this episode. Having it come back would actually ruin the sentimental value I now hold for the episode, actually. And they definitely won't be able to top off an ending episode like this one ever again. So I'm going to actually hope it stays dead. Even if it's my favorite show, I know what's best for it.
Mr Snrub

Urban Legend
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« Reply #248 on: 12-16-2013 00:20 »

I'm not watching it again until the DVD comes out in the UK. So, in 3 or so years.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #249 on: 12-17-2013 04:10 »
« Last Edit on: 12-17-2013 04:13 »

Even though I, in retrospect, made very silly complaints above, I must agree that because of how high quality the episode is all-around, this is the perfect episode for the series to truly end on; especially seeing as the end of the episode pretty much implies, If I understood it correctly, that they'd be stuck in a sort of loop. With them stuck in said loop, we have actual closure, making it a perfect ending to the story.

I wonder, though, should the show return, how would the writers pick up the story? It'd probably be a pretty hard task, although I'm sure they already have an 'escape' story planned out, at least in some form.
UnrealLegend

Urban Legend
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« Reply #250 on: 12-17-2013 06:10 »

Even though I, in retrospect, made very silly complaints above, I must agree that because of how high quality the episode is all-around, this is the perfect episode for the series to truly end on; especially seeing as the end of the episode pretty much implies, If I understood it correctly, that they'd be stuck in a sort of loop. With them stuck in said loop, we have actual closure, making it a perfect ending to the story.

I wonder, though, should the show return, how would the writers pick up the story? It'd probably be a pretty hard task, although I'm sure they already have an 'escape' story planned out, at least in some form.

I too feel like I was a little nit-picky, but I stand by my complaints.

Still, the bulk of the episode is executed brilliantly. It might end up overtaking TDHAIP as my favourite finale. Time will tell.
0nuki

Poppler
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« Reply #251 on: 12-20-2013 00:13 »

easily the worst episode ever

that b**** stole my man
TheAnvil

Bending Unit
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« Reply #252 on: 12-21-2013 15:57 »

easily the worst episode ever

that b**** stole my man

Seek help.
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #253 on: 12-21-2013 16:07 »

Alright, now who's dressing up claiming they're Unmentionable now......
TheBPB11

Starship Captain
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« Reply #254 on: 12-21-2013 22:04 »

Alright, now who's dressing up claiming they're Unmentionable now......
It seems like something that an unfunny person would do.  Maybe that narrows it down a little.
stum

Starship Captain
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« Reply #255 on: 12-21-2013 22:08 »
« Last Edit on: 12-21-2013 22:10 »

It was me. I got bored of it after three posts.

I was also behind the Yardstick account, but that crashed before it even got started.
MeatablePie

Professor
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« Reply #256 on: 12-22-2013 03:33 »

easily the worst episode ever

that b**** stole my man

I think we need to make a PEEL insane asylum.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #257 on: 12-23-2013 01:15 »

I wonder if there's any possibility that The Professor mentioned a time button in an earlier episode? It'd be cool if he has, as it would tell us where the 'loop' would start.

MRM runs off to The Infosphere to search through every single script.
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #258 on: 01-16-2014 01:59 »

I think one of the things I liked most about the episode, was the foreshadowing.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned this, but at the beginning when Fry was being a sobbing cry baby over Leela's "death", he said "I always hoped me and her would grow old together". Then in the final minutes of Act 3, they actually did.

That was a pretty perfect use of foreshadowing! big grin
Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #259 on: 01-22-2014 03:35 »
« Last Edit on: 01-22-2014 03:37 »

I, too, noticed something interesting about this episode.

In 'Rebirth', there is a scene where the entire crew is at the human Leela's funeral on a dsitant planet. As Fry is laying some flowers on her coffin, he says, "Goodbye, My Love...". Skip forward to this episode, and as he is about to jump off of the side of the Vampire State Building, he says "Goodbye, My Love.." yet again. On the surface, it is interesting that this is said both in the premiere and the finale. What really connects these two is that either Leela is dead (though technically comatose) while Fry is saying the quote, or Fry is about to die while saying the quote; The quote connects Fry and Leela's 'deaths' at the beginning of the CC run and at the end of the CC run. While it's not quite foreshadowing, it brings a very subtle full-circle feel to the new run and Fry and Leela's 'undying' love for one another.
Kataang102

Bending Unit
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« Reply #260 on: 02-13-2014 03:06 »

I want to say when I went to sketchfest I asked if fry abd Leela were still married and I was told yes

People assume it's reset to space pilot 3000 because it's what aired right after meanwhile
But then the universe is technically stuck in a loop
Beamer

Space Pope
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« Reply #261 on: 02-13-2014 04:23 »

I never assumed it would reset to SP3K; Why undo every single event that's happened over the course of the show? I think it'd reset to just before the events of Meanwhile, or somewhere very early within the episode itself. There's no reason to assume that Farnsworth had conceived the time button any earlier than that, and that's the only thing their journey back has to undo.
UnrealLegend

Urban Legend
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« Reply #262 on: 02-13-2014 08:41 »

Yeah, it'd be a massive cop-out to just erase everything that supposedly happened. It'd pretty much be the equivalent of the entire series being an illusion from the Hypnotoad or a very long What-if-machine session.
Beamer

Space Pope
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« Reply #263 on: 02-13-2014 12:05 »

Given that, at one point, Rebirth was going to be a complete wipe-the-slate-clean "undo everything that's happened" affair, and the writers (very smartly) opted out of it, it'd be even MORE of a cop-out for them to wind up hitting the reset button anyway.
Quantum Neutrino Field

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #264 on: 02-13-2014 12:52 »

I do like the idea of final episode connecting to first episode making infinite loop of episodes, but of course it's basically just an open ending and series would continue wherever it would need to (within Meanwhile or so).
Motor Oil

Starship Captain
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« Reply #265 on: 06-08-2014 02:35 »

I give this a 9/10 only because I don't think it was the greatest finale in the universe. The first time I watched it, I remember being both awestruck and disappointed. I don't think a shipping finale is the best way to go, and I initially did not like Fry and Leela's relationship in season ten. I have since looked more closely at it, and they've definitely got my support (I did not like Leela for much of the series, and was unable to appreciate any growth her character underwent for quite some time). Although I am still not completely satisfied with the ending, my only objections are tiny nitpicks and personal preferences that really did not affect my enjoyment of the episode. It really was well done, and was a great ending in that it was open to any further adventures the crew might have but fairly conclusive as far as Fry and Leela's relationship goes. This episode was appropriately open to viewer interpretation without giving the fans complete control over the reigns, something that is always in good, especially if the creators plan on renewing the show at any point. TDHAIP did a good job of this as well, but I felt that Meanwhile was more conclusive, most likely because it was the final finale.
DannyJC13

Space Pope
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« Reply #266 on: 06-28-2014 14:23 »

Quick question: why was this episode called "Meanwhile"? Like, what is the significance of that word in regards to the episode's plot?
Motor Oil

Starship Captain
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« Reply #267 on: 06-28-2014 21:46 »

Quick question: why was this episode called "Meanwhile"? Like, what is the significance of that word in regards to the episode's plot?

Quote
mean·while  ˈmēnˌ(h)wīl 
adverb
adverb meanwhile
in the intervening period of time.

Quote
in·ter·vene  ˌintərˈvēn 
verb
gerund or present participle intervening
come between so as to prevent or alter a result or course of events.

I'd attempt to explain it, but the definitions seem to do well by themselves.
Jezzem

Urban Legend
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« Reply #268 on: 06-29-2014 02:17 »

That just raises further questions!
Mr Snrub

Urban Legend
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« Reply #269 on: 06-30-2014 00:25 »

Just noticed I still haven't rated this episode. I said 8/10 in my initial thoughts bit, and I think that's still about right. I still think it's missing something that a finale needs, just like I feel with every Futurama finale.
Beamer

Space Pope
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« Reply #270 on: 06-30-2014 02:07 »

It needed more 'splosions. no no
Motor Oil

Starship Captain
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« Reply #271 on: 06-30-2014 04:54 »

Needed more cowbell.
Beamer

Space Pope
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« Reply #272 on: 06-30-2014 06:09 »

Needed more 'sploding cowbells.
Scrappylive

Starship Captain
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« Reply #273 on: 08-29-2014 07:50 »
« Last Edit on: 08-29-2014 08:09 »

I know this would never be feasible, but I always wished that the Futurama crew would be able to produce one real series finale and keep it in the can until the show ends for good, then they air it. That way, we would get a true finale with a full sense of closure, as opposed to a series of potential finales with some closure and yet some open-endedness.

As it is, though, I really did enjoy Meanwhile. It had everything I have come to expect from a Futurama finale. Good jokes, great visuals, interesting science fiction, and a bittersweet ending.

Very bittersweet. Good night, Futurama. I will always remember all the joy you brought me.



Story
The story in this final finale was solid. I found the episode as a whole to be satisfying and would really only be improved if it were written as a true, definitive finale (which, due to the nature of production of this series, would never happen, anyways).

As a final finale, I find it fitting that we get a glimpse of Fry and Leela's future. Whereas The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings, Into The Wild Green Yonder, and Overclockwise all focused on the present and the characters' desires and anxieties over the future, Meanwhile shows us what the future would be like for Fry and Leela, albeit with an unusual twist.

And we got a very sweet ending. For a bittersweet ending to my favorite show.


Plot
Meanwhile presented us with a unique conundrum. Almost every turn in the plot of this episode was engaging and overall entertaining. I don't think there were really any plotholes to be found here, though the ending could have been either set up, developed, or explained a bit better.

Still, the writers did a great job at properly introducing elements that come up later in the episode at appropriate times. Nothing ever felt forced or confusing. Examples here include the time-altering button, the ability to hide from its effects, the consequences of leaving the protective spheres during repeated presses of the time button, and the glimmer.

The glimmer might seem a little bit like deus ex machina, but it's not nearly as bad as it has been in previous episodes, paricularly the mystic aldermen of the sun from The Inhuman Torch. It could have been much worse had they failed to introduce the glimmer earlier on, though it could have been better had they established that the ten dollar bill and the Professor would be sent to another dimension (or whatever) rather than being essentially killed.


Funny
This episode was consistently funny. It all respects, Meanwhile was well-written. Throughout the entire episode, I was either smiling out of enjoyment, laughing from the good jokes, or admiring the beautiful shots on the screen.

My favorite line from this episode: You know those dreams where you're falling, and right before you hit the ground you wake up? Those are great.


Characters
Bender is a jerk and Fry and Leela are focused on their relationship. This seems like a natural fit for a Futurama finale. (Indeed, these elements have been explored in previous finales.) Fortunately, these elements were well-written and did not seem forced or over-the-top. Compare this to Leela's melodrama and obsessive worrying over her relationship with Fry in Overclockwise and Meanwhile not only feels more natural, but also less whiney or annoying.

On the whole, every character was in-character and well-utilized. Whereas not every character had a memorable moment, it was great to see all of the main crew as well as plenty of faces new and old in New New York. The cameos are obviously appropriate for a series finale, but I was also happy to see some new characters make it into the cut. Ultra Guy was pretty funny -- the superheroes in the 31st century are consistently underwhelming and live relatively dull lives. I particularly loved János, the stereotypical ominous vampire servant at the Vampire State Building.


Classic
As a finale, Meanwhile featured plenty of callbacks. We went to Luna Park pretty early. Though Luna Park and Luna Parking look very different from in Episode Two: The Series Has Landed, the abandoned moon buggy was features in an establishing shot. Poor, depressed Craterface's bits were predictable yet still funny. Plus, he blocked the hole in the exterior similar to the Holodeck moon from Kif Gets Knocked Up A Notch. Plenty of other characters and locations from throughout the series were revisited, especially during the frozen montage. We also got a dark yet subtle callback to Fry's previous suicide attempt in the previous finale at Niagara Falls (also when he thought he had to live without Leela).

More subtle, though, were the callbacks to lines from the first episode of each run. Pretty, though. was uttered in reference to the glimmer as well as by Smitty at the end of Space Pilot 3000. Goodbye, my love. was said when Fry thought Leela wasn't going to show up, calling back to when he thought Leela was dead in Rebirth.


Visuals
Meanwhile was yet again a true display of beauty, and they took full advantage of it with the beautiful eternal sunset and all of the vistas during the frozen montage. This gave the artists a chance to create a series of artistic views. A few very nice action shots were included as well, especially Leela spinning the Globetrotters' basketball and blowing on a snowflake. Everything during the montage was particularly awe-inspriing, and it was made even more serene by scoring it with the first movement of Frédéric Chopin's Étude Op. 10, No. 3.


Gripes
I find it a little disappointing that this final opening did not have classic cartoon on the video billboard to send off this great show. frown It would be nice to see a Futurama animatic for the final opening.

As for the actual storyline, I found Leela's fake death to be largely fake compelling. That is, I did not feel for her death or Fry's reaction to it. I think it just was not set up very well. The first time I watched this episode, I wasn't whether or not Leela was supposed to be presumed death. This is a science-fiction cartoon, afterall.

Fry's death was more moving since the plot built up to it and it had a more definitive and emotional resonance. His death (or should I say deaths?) was a bit gory, though.


Highlights
 • "AVENGE US" ("See You On Some Other Channel" turned out to be true. I guess we should ready up our torches and pitchforks. tongue)
 • Man, we sure used to try harder back then. (Lazily throws delivery toward Deliveries slot.)
 • "Please Barf With The Wind"
 • Your wife is dead. / She wasn't my wife! / Oh. Then there is no bad news.
 • What exactly was Bender busy with while "sleeping" in his room?
 • Come iiinnn...
 • Uh-huh, good talk, we're done here.
 • G. N., E.!
 • Friends! I found a ten dollars!
 • I guess what I'm saying is, the next time you almost die, I want it to be as my wife!
 • At the end of the scene at Elzar's, the clam coughs as Fry walks away.
 • Strange things happen when the shadows lengthen...
 • Janitor to the 237th floor men's room. (János whisks away from behind his cape.)
 • 6:30. Maybe she's stuck in slow traffic. (Looks down. No ground traffic, incredibly fast air traffic.)
 • Fry getting exhausted and falling asleep during his infinite fall.
 • At least I have Leela's comforting scream to look forward to.
 • It worked! / But you killed the Professor! / Yeah, but it worked!
 • We can get married in the morning. Except there won't be morning. / We can worry about that in the morning.
 • "Bronx Zoo: Get A Loada Dese Animals Ova Here"
 • Zoidberg being used as a hat rack.
 • I tried to fix it once, but then I got mad and hit it some more. I guess it's good we didn't have children.


Overall
And that's how the series went out on a high note. Thank you, MG, DXC, & Co.
9.5/10

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