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PEE Poll: How did this long-awaited Finale turn out to be?
1/10 The Worst Turd Sandwich ever.   -2 (2.1%)
2/10 Burn it! To Radioactive Vapor!   -0 (0%)
3/10 That was a Final Episode? Bah!   -1 (1.1%)
4/10 Wait, how could they......   -1 (1.1%)
5/10 Mix these mixed nuts!   -0 (0%)
6/10 Only a decent Finale Show. Sigh   -0 (0%)
7/10 Not bad. I've seen better though.   -1 (1.1%)
8/10 This guy's alright to be a finale.   -12 (12.8%)
9/10 This was great.   -21 (22.3%)
10/10 The Bestest Finale in the Universe.   -56 (59.6%)
Total Voters: 94

Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #160 on: 09-06-2013 11:51 »

My take on Meanwhile is that time didn't actually stop for everyone except Fry and Leela - their time stopped. They could move and interact, but they were only in a single instant of time, despite spending decades in it. The universe actually carried on, but we never saw that happen, as we perceived it from Fry & Leela's POV. They were the ones trapped, not everyone else. Thoughts?

I think that's right. However, if universe would never unfreeze, that would have been the end for everything/-one (except Fry and Leela).
Smitty

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« Reply #161 on: 09-06-2013 12:13 »

8/10

Nice story, typically Futurama-eqsue sci-fi, great acting, great animation, and gorgeous music while Fry and Leela grew old.  Unfortunately the ending was far too rushed.  If they'd cut out a couple of loops of Fry falling from the tower, an extra minute could have been added to the end when Farnsworth appears.  Or the episode length should have been doubled.

And Ken Keeler's sentimental endings are annoying and superficial.  He's been one of Futurama's consistently best writers since the very beginning, but I felt I'd seen this all before in "Time Keeps on Slipping" and "Devil's Hands".

I'm glad Fry and Leela finally got married, even if the timeline was reset at the end.  I've never been particularly shippy; I preferred it when Fry had the confidence in himself to just tell Leela how he felt about her, as in "Parasites Lost" and Into the Wild Green Yonder, rather than the gimmicks he used in "The Why of Fry" and "Devil's Hands".

So, that's the end of Futurama.  Until TBS commissions a new season in 2020!
El-Man

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« Reply #162 on: 09-06-2013 12:53 »

- From the universes point of view, Fry and Leela just exist in the moment the button broke. In that moment, these two lived their complete lives.

I think that's right. However, if universe would never unfreeze, that would have been the end for everything/-one (except Fry and Leela).

Hein nails it. For everyone else, say the rest of the crew, Fry & Leela just vanish, never to be seen again. The crew never need to unfreeze, because, from their POV, they never freeze in the first place.

As for Fry and Leela, we saw them get old, and they would have eventually died and turned to dust if the Professor hadn't rescued them. Not a moment too soon either, they both looked like they were pushing triple figures.

I wonder if the Prof found his $10?
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #163 on: 09-06-2013 13:06 »

I'm just saying that if it was never to unfreeze from F&L point of view, the moment of freezing would be the last point in time from others pont of view as it would continue except that it's the end point of universe (unless F&L would see it unfreeze).
totalnerduk

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« Reply #164 on: 09-06-2013 14:39 »
« Last Edit on: 09-06-2013 14:42 »

If the Professor modded the time button to take them back to the instant before he conceived of it, wouldn't they just be stuck in a loop?

So, if Futurama does come back, it'll basically be like the show is starting from the beginning?

No. The professor said that they would all go back to the moment before he invented the time button. So the show would start from the beginning of "Meanwhile". If the show ever comes back, then I guess the professor just won't invent the time button.

Farnsworth specifically states "We won't remember anything that's happened".

They're essentially going to be transported back to wherever and whatever they were up to at the point when Farnsworth got the idea for the time button, which means that in a highly deterministic universe with temporal inertia, they should end up doing exactly the same things as before. The only potential difference arises from the fact that the time button may arrive back with the Professor, allowing him to deduce that there was a problem with it that necessitated a modification and force him to re-think his plan for making it.

We don't know, however, what that instant might be. It could even be as far back as when Fry was still in the freezer that the professor conceived the idea. We do know that Farnsworth sometimes spends years mulling over inventions, and that a previous attempt at a time machine was something he worked on for a decade and a half.

My take on Meanwhile is that time didn't actually stop for everyone except Fry and Leela - their time stopped. They could move and interact, but they were only in a single instant of time, despite spending decades in it. The universe actually carried on, but we never saw that happen, as we perceived it from Fry & Leela's POV. They were the ones trapped, not everyone else. Thoughts?

That was my thought as well. The universe didn't freeze - Fry and Leela were trapped in a single freeze-frame moment. We know that the universe continues towards a natural end point from TLPJF, where we get to see quite a bit of time following the 31st Century. It's logical to assume that the time button merely stopped time for Fry and Leela, since they were the only ones in the tiny blue sphere that marked "normal operation" for the button.

I'm just saying that if it was never to unfreeze from F&L point of view, the moment of freezing would be the last point in time from others pont of view as it would continue except that it's the end point of universe (unless F&L would see it unfreeze).

No.

Time moving outside that single moment is not dependant on time "unfreezing" within that moment, much as an animated program's progression is not dependant on any one frame changing. In fact, don't think of that moment as frozen. Think of Fry and Leela as having been separated from the normal flow of time. Time is "paused" relative to them, but only relative to them. Or at least, that would make sense based on what we know of the timeline of the universe (since time itself in the Futuramaverse is cyclical).
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #165 on: 09-06-2013 14:53 »

I was thinking scenario of Fry and Leela noticing that everything starts moving again, would be, when normal timeline would continue and if they didn't, it would be the end point, but if they aren't related, you're right, they're trapped it one point of time (without time travel device or magic).
GedeWK

Bending Unit
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« Reply #166 on: 09-06-2013 15:22 »

I wonder what did Farnsworth did in the time tunnel? Finding a way out or what?
Inquisitor Hein
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #167 on: 09-06-2013 15:31 »
« Last Edit on: 09-06-2013 16:12 »

I wonder what did Farnsworth did in the time tunnel? Finding a way out or what?

He said he had to find the time button.
Which -when looking at it- supports the "The Universe continued, only Fry and Leela existed solely in the moment the button broke"
Arriving seconds after or before the buttons destruction would have been pointless for him. He needed to get EXACTLY to that precise moment where to find Fry/Leela and the button. The blurs could indicate Farnsworth passing said moment by.

Also, finding an exit can take quite a while, as this (imhO highly recommendable) clip
proves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM
Mongo

Bending Unit
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« Reply #168 on: 09-06-2013 18:11 »

The list that Leela was carrying, and finished checking off all the entries:

Front Steps
Professor's Desk
Yankee Stadium
In the Road
Back of Police Car
Ice Cream Factory
Bank Vault
Lincoln Bedroom
Rhino Cage
Vicinity of Scranton
Monument Beach
Middle of Atlantic Ocean
Stonehenge
Big Ben
On a Mammoth
Schloss Neuschwanstein
Arch of Triumph
Mona Lisa
Random Dark Alley
Eiffel Tower

One guess what it's referring to!
DannyJC13

Space Pope
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« Reply #169 on: 09-06-2013 18:35 »

Think of Fry and Leela as having been separated from the normal flow of time. Time is "paused" relative to them, but only relative to them. Or at least, that would make sense based on what we know of the timeline of the universe (since time itself in the Futuramaverse is cyclical).

So what would everyone else see? Where would Fry and Leela be to them?
totalnerduk

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« Reply #170 on: 09-06-2013 18:41 »

Think of Fry and Leela as having been separated from the normal flow of time. Time is "paused" relative to them, but only relative to them. Or at least, that would make sense based on what we know of the timeline of the universe (since time itself in the Futuramaverse is cyclical).

So what would everyone else see? Where would Fry and Leela be to them?

They would have disappeared, from the POV of everyone else. Just... vanished. Poof. Gone.
Tachyon

Space Pope
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« Reply #171 on: 09-06-2013 23:05 »

The list that Leela was carrying, and finished checking off all the entries:

<list>

One guess what it's referring to!

Good catch!


Vicinity of Scranton


I bet there are several PEELers who could check that one off their list.  I know for a fact there's at least one.

Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #172 on: 09-06-2013 23:30 »

If the show never comes back, I'm going to assume the Tim Burton Time Button sent them back to where they were at Space Pilot 3000, so that the series goes full-circle.

If it does come back, however, I think it will take them to the day before the events of this episode, but the Trio will write  a note warning themselves not to make the time button, and also what great life Fry and Leela had.
totalnerduk

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« Reply #173 on: 09-07-2013 00:00 »
« Last Edit on: 09-07-2013 15:44 »

the Trio will write  a note warning themselves not to make the time button

Farnsworth specifically states "We won't remember anything that's happened"

What in the unhallowed name of the blasphemous multitudes of Charlie's Streetwalking Angels is wrong with people? Why is everybody ignoring the two basic facts that we have no way to determine at which point events will begin looping again and that nobody will have a fucking clue that anything has happened, nevermind what that might have been?

Further to previous discussion, it seems entirely probable based on what we know of the button's operation that in being shunted backwards to whenever they end up reset to, it will have become a set of discrete and separate components, possibly stored at locations some distance apart from one another. This will mean that Farnsworth has no unexplained device to warn him that something might be amiss with the idea he's just had for a time-altering button. Which will mean that he builds it anyway, and that events continue to loop for him, Fry, and Leela.

Oh, and it could easily be that the time button is conceived of partway through the series. It seems like the perfect way to fix mistakes like the one that ended up with Fry, Bender, and the Professor visiting the end of the universe. It might have been conceived of midway through or at the end of TLPJF. Which would mean that the loop begins again there.

It's unlikely that the loop begins during the events of SP3K, since the Professor had previously failed at building his time machine (he spent fifteen years on it and we saw it two years after the pilot), and he didn't even have confirmation that time travel was even possible until later, during RTEW. After which, he specifically didn't build backwards travel capabilities into his next time machine, so as to prevent the possibility of somebody having sex with their own ancestors. So it's much more likely that the loop's other "end" is somewhere between the beginning of TLPJF and the first act of Meanwhile.

To sum up:



Disclaimer: If this seems harsh, just remember that you're a fan of a show in which a robot performs a victory dance on the fresh corpse of a small child. Life is harsh. Anybody who says differently is trying to sell you something.
Box Incorporated

Bending Unit
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« Reply #174 on: 09-07-2013 00:02 »

Nerdist posted the Futurama Live pre show and post shows on Youtube.

The pre show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OThQqFcdog

The post show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_MBFxSEpqo
Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #175 on: 09-07-2013 00:05 »

Here's some Pictures from Futurama Live..

The Crushinator behind them is awesome!



This is the Webpage it was on...Bessie would fly by the Futurama Live logo in the video every few seconds.
UnrealLegend

Urban Legend
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« Reply #176 on: 09-07-2013 00:31 »

the Trio will write  a note warning themselves not to make the time button

Farnsworth specifically states "We won't remember anything that's happened"

What in the blasphemous multitudes of Charlie's Streetwalking Angels is wrong with people? Why is everybody ignoring the two basic facts that we have no way to determine at which point events will begin looping again and that nobody will have a fucking clue that anything has happened, nevermind what that might have been?

I think the writers have dug themselves into a hole regarding this, and they've got a bit of a problem should the show be renewed.

However, I'm going to assume that the button goes back with the Professor after he modifies it. This'd be enough to break the loop, depending on a few small factors:

1) Farnsworth presses the button, and he, Fry and Leela are hurled back in time. Their memories are wiped and the button is still in the Professor's hands.
2) They all pick up their lives on the day the button was conceived (for the purposes of this idea, let's assume it's a few days before the episode).
3) He notices that he's holding a strange machine that he doesn't remember inventing. I think it's safe to assume that he'd work out what it does pretty quickly.
4) Surprised by finding this device he shows the crew. It's likely that the time shelter wouldn't exist in this scenario as well, depending on whether it was originally created before or after the button.
5) Because this would be before Leela's accident on the moon, the button wouldn't spark the idea of Fry using it to get her an expensive ring. Without the time shelter, it's more than possible that Fry wouldn't even understand the capabilities of the button.
6) Everything goes as usual. They make a delivery to the moon, and Leela has her accident. Fry decides he's going to marry her.
7) Without the button, Fry would get her a normal ring, and a normal wedding would take place.
Quantum Neutrino Field

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #177 on: 09-07-2013 00:52 »

Farnsworth specifically states "We won't remember anything that's happened"

Well, he said it, but I'm still wondering how is that. They should remember since they used the time button, but maybe it's the huge amount of anti-chronotons...



On antoher note, I don't think Futurama Live -related stuff should be in same thread as discussion about Meanwhile.
pumpkinpie

Starship Captain
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« Reply #178 on: 09-07-2013 02:07 »

I...I'm still not over it. I watched that scene of Fry and Leela holding hands walking across the ocean for the 10th time. I got that same, stomach dropping, rush of emotion feeling. When the music changes...and....it makes my eyes well up. Every. Time. There's been random times this week when I think about Meanwhile and I just....so. Much. Emotion. I can't watch that episode without feeling anything. I cannot. I just cannot.


God damn it I love this episode.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #179 on: 09-07-2013 02:19 »
« Last Edit on: 09-07-2013 02:29 »

I...I'm still not over it. I watched that scene of Fry and Leela holding hands walking across the ocean for the 10th time. I got that same, stomach dropping, rush of emotion feeling. When the music changes...and....it makes my eyes well up. Every. Time. There's been random times this week when I think about Meanwhile and I just....so. Much. Emotion. I can't watch that episode without feeling anything. I cannot. I just cannot.

That's exactly how it is for me, too. I'll just be sitting there, eating whatever the heck a Monster_Robot_Maniac eats, adn then suddenly I'll be thinking about how powerful of an episode this was.
I think the real winning point of htis episode is how much it makes you think. What would it be like to be the only two people alive in a frozen world? What if you got tired of each other? Would you consider yourselves friends after a while, or more than that? Would you repopluate the world? How will this episode affect the series if it continues? So many intresting things came out of this episode, which also makes this episode extremely re-watchable. I've already watched three times, two times today alone.

I don't really get why some people aren't so big on this episode; It's all everyone has said they wanted in a Finale - It was very Shippy, there was a great Sci-Fi plot, and there was a somewhat open ending. What else did everyone want? I'm not trying to say that yor opinions are bad, anyone who didn't like this finale, but I just don't see what else it could've done.

10/10 from me, as I said. A real Classic, just like every finale.

Also, it looks like it got a 9.0 on IGN. Seems pretty fair, although I think it deserves a 10, as you know.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/05/futurama-meanwhile-review
UnrealLegend

Urban Legend
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« Reply #180 on: 09-07-2013 02:42 »

So according to IGN, Meanwhile is just as good as Neutopia and TFHS.

rofl rofl rofl
Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #181 on: 09-07-2013 02:50 »

So according to IGN, Meanwhile is just as good as Neutopia and TFHS.

rofl rofl rofl
I Don't Want to Live on this Planet Anymore.

I like Neutopia, but it's not nearly as good as this....and TFHS? On the same level as this episode?!?
It's official - IGN is run by asinine morons who deserve to be ground into a fine paste.  tongue
Box Incorporated

Bending Unit
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« Reply #182 on: 09-07-2013 03:45 »

I...I'm still not over it. I watched that scene of Fry and Leela holding hands walking across the ocean for the 10th time. I got that same, stomach dropping, rush of emotion feeling. When the music changes...and....it makes my eyes well up. Every. Time. There's been random times this week when I think about Meanwhile and I just....so. Much. Emotion. I can't watch that episode without feeling anything. I cannot. I just cannot.

God damn it I love this episode.
I feel this exactly. Ever since Meanwhile aired, every time I see or think about that scene, I always get weepy and filled with emotion, which has been alot these past few days (have been very depressed and emotionally drained this week from this finale). In fact, I'm actually trying to learn how to play the Chopin song during that scene just because of it. I know this episode has its problems, but that 3rd act alone was done just so beautifully and thoughtfully that I have no choice but to call this a true classic, and one of my top 10 favorite episodes of all time.
coffeeBot

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« Reply #183 on: 09-07-2013 06:14 »

I just got around to watching this, and let me say-
that was amazing. Absolutely, completely amazing.

10/10

What a good send-off.
futurefreak

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« Reply #184 on: 09-07-2013 07:56 »

Bahaha, I see I am the only one to give it an appalling...

7/10

I have some issues with this episode as the finale. I think that's why I rated it so low. If it were a standalone episode, I probably would have graded it an 8 or so.

It started okay enough, but then did stuff that I did not prefer to see in a last episode, mainly the mutiliation of Leela, the constant killing of Fry, his suicide attempt, and the fact that by the end of the episode they pretty much had their cake and ate it too. I would have preferred it to end with them growing old together, I thought that was a sweet scene at the end (before they accepted Professor's request to go back again).

It was just all too cliche perfect, typical series finale. I mentioned this in the other thread, but I loved Devil's Hands because it included a lot of other characters in their own subplots, and it wasn't perfect, but it was genuine and very sweet at the end.

If this was just an episode among the series, I probably wouldn't be so harsh. But as a finale, I am disappointed, especially after watching the previous 3 that led up to this.

I'll go hide in my bomb shelter now.
Fnord
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« Reply #185 on: 09-07-2013 08:32 »

This is a comic from April 2011:

Fanarama

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« Reply #186 on: 09-07-2013 18:44 »

9/10 great episode.
Loved that Prof Farnsworth wasn't killed off.

And the last from Fry...

"What you do say Leela  ? Want to go round again ?"

That points to more adventures from the bunch, if it's hopefully picked up by another network. The futurama creators are hoping too smile

Still so much potential for this show.

Thanks to Matt and David, the cast and everyone for just great entertainment.

Monster_Robot_Maniac

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #187 on: 09-07-2013 20:17 »

Well, this one's got a 93% on CGEF so far. Glad to see it's considered a great episode by almost everyone! smile
totalnerduk

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« Reply #188 on: 09-07-2013 20:20 »
« Last Edit on: 09-07-2013 22:49 »

Well, this one's got a 93% on CGEF so far. Glad to see it's considered a great episode by almost everyone! smile

Doesn't posting something like that guarantee that some horrible troll is going to rush over there to post a dozen "reviews" giving it the lowest possible rating in order to skew the stats?

Edit: I gave it a 4 just now, and it's still at 93%, which is nice. But hopefully nobody decides to troll this review like they did for some of the others.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #189 on: 09-07-2013 20:25 »

Well, this one's got a 93% on CGEF so far. Glad to see it's considered a great episode by almost everyone! smile

Doesn't posting something like that guarantee that some horrible troll is going to rush over there to post a dozen "reviews" giving it the lowest possible rating in order to skew the stats?
Well, hopefully that doesn't happen... I was just keeping the thread informed, you know?
futurefreak

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« Reply #190 on: 09-07-2013 20:49 »

Hooray I'm part of the 7% who didn't think it was spectacularly amazing!

Again, I thought it was alright. But not the best finale they've done. I would have preferred it to be just a regular episode and not the last time I see the show.
KurtPikachu2001

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« Reply #191 on: 09-07-2013 22:38 »

Can someone PM me about the Live Chat?
Gorky

Space Pope
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« Reply #192 on: 09-08-2013 02:05 »


Vicinity of Scranton


I bet there are several PEELers who could check that one off their list.  I know for a fact there's at least one.

Speaking as one such PEELer, I must say that I get quite a kick out of that location making it on Leela's list. I also wonder if she and Fry killed two birds with one stone by visiting a random dark alley in Scranton.

On an unrelated, equally trivial note: I was rewatching the last act of this episode just now (because, you know, I have a lot to do on a Saturday night), and--whether this was an intentional callback or not--I appreciated Leela referring to the mysterious glimmer as "pretty, though": the same thing Smitty said about the New Year's fireworks at the end of the pilot episode.
MuchAdo

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« Reply #193 on: 09-08-2013 05:12 »


Quote
It's official - IGN is run by asinine morons who deserve to be ground into a fine paste.

Seriously they've been beyond dumb.... forever.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #194 on: 09-08-2013 23:13 »

I noticed what could possibly be a callback to a previous finale when rewatching this one - When Fry and Leela go to the Niagra Falls, there is a Barrel falling down it. I know it's more than likely just a meaningless sight gag, but it could be referencing Fry's previous attempted suicide in Overclockwise. Like I said, I doubt it, but what do you guys think?
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #195 on: 09-09-2013 00:04 »

I immediately thought over Overclockwise when I saw that. I'm pretty sure it was intentional.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #196 on: 09-09-2013 18:55 »

I noticed what could possibly be a callback to a previous finale when rewatching this one - When Fry and Leela go to the Niagra Falls, there is a Barrel falling down it. I know it's more than likely just a meaningless sight gag, but it could be referencing Fry's previous attempted suicide in Overclockwise. Like I said, I doubt it, but what do you guys think?

Well, that certainly be the case. However, it can also be an allusion to all the idiots thrill seekers who've ridden down Niagara Falls in barrels, rubber balls, on jet skis, on nothing really....
Beamer

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« Reply #197 on: 09-10-2013 03:51 »

Quote
It's official - IGN is run by asinine morons who deserve to be ground into a fine paste.

Seriously they've been beyond dumb.... forever.

Yeah, don't go to IGN for anything other than video game coverage (actually, I haven't even paid attention to video games for a good 5 or 6 years now, so maybe that's not even true anymore).
Spicy Weasel

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« Reply #198 on: 09-10-2013 04:09 »

Loved it.  Here's why:

- Bender says "What?  You told her you loved her 140 times!" = 140 episodes. 
 
- Amy puts her hands on Bender's shoulders when they walk toward the Time Shelter, all friendly-like.

- Ultra Guy's Custom Diamonds squeezing & comment  "Classy choice Chief- she'll crap her pants."

- I was on the edge of my seat yelling "Push the button Fry!" as he was falling for 8...9...10...11..seconds.

- The universe on pause really did it for me, I loved it. 

- The Space Pope presided over their wedding!

- The usual stooped appearance of the Professor revealed in the end of the time tunnel.  I laughed out loud.



- I also love the "Ohhh!" from the Professor when he sees the broken Time Button in a bag.

- And finally, Fry "You mean I could have fixed it all this time?"  then the Professor, "You?!?" and throws his head back and laughs maniacally.

I'm going to miss this show.  Although I do seem to be able to watch episodes over and over, it was always great to have new ones.   

I remember missing episodes back in season 1 & 2 and thinking how stupid I was because nothing this good could ever last and I was not recording them.

 cry





SolidSnake

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« Reply #199 on: 09-10-2013 04:19 »

Nobody can go wrong with the Professor's maniacally funny laugh. I fucking love that.
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