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Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #320 on: 10-03-2013 23:21 »
« Last Edit on: 10-03-2013 23:23 »

Why would The Simpsons have the HypnoToad on their show? Seems very stu...........
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD.


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« Reply #321 on: 10-03-2013 23:33 »

That was actually pretty cool. Felt fresh.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #322 on: 10-03-2013 23:36 »

Yeah, it's cool that we're already seeing Futurama references this season. I may actually watch this episode, only to see the Toad, of course.
Mr Snrub

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« Reply #323 on: 10-03-2013 23:54 »

I meant the opening as a whole, but I agree that all shows are improved with hypnotoad.
Beamer

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« Reply #324 on: 10-04-2013 06:34 »

Yeah, that episode of Everybody Loves Hypnotoad that didn't have the Hypnotoad in it was terrible.
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« Reply #325 on: 10-04-2013 15:14 »

I liked the episode of Everybody Loves Raymond that had the Hypnotoad in it.

And yeah that opening was actually really cool, I thought.
MuchAdo

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« Reply #326 on: 10-04-2013 21:13 »

The TOAD.... SHALL RISE!!!!

Seriosuly is that a commentary on why people still watch TV and The Simpsons?
B/C that damn toad has brainwashed us all!
Beamer

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« Reply #327 on: 10-04-2013 21:33 »

Woah, woah, let's not lump all tv into the same category as new Simpsons.

Least of all, on a forum for a tv show. roll eyes
SolidSnake

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« Reply #328 on: 10-04-2013 21:38 »

Meh, we'll see if I want to watch this one. I'll be tuning in to American Dad, but probably not this.
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« Reply #329 on: 10-05-2013 16:41 »

I saw in the infosphere, It is reported that there might be a fifth Futurama film.
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Both Matt Groening and David X. Cohen have hinted another movie might lie in the future, along with a “Simpsons” cross-over episode.

according to this.
Now i can wait in peace..
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #330 on: 10-05-2013 16:53 »

Just because The Infosphere says something is happening, that doesn't mean it's true, necessarily.
However, besides that, it's great to see that yet another article has mentioned a 5th movie! I, too, am now comfortable with waiting for it. smile
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« Reply #331 on: 10-05-2013 16:57 »

I saw in the infosphere, It is reported that there might be a fifth Futurama film.
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Both Matt Groening and David X. Cohen have hinted another movie might lie in the future, along with a “Simpsons” cross-over episode.

according to this.
Now i can wait in peace..

Yeah, but they've been talking about continuing the show in some way since it was canceled. I hope that there will be another movie, and I think the possibility of that is great, but that article doesn't confirm anything.
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« Reply #332 on: 10-05-2013 17:36 »

I'm sure there are probably talks happening right now, but until something concrete is announced, it's all just speculation at this point. Still better than nothing, though. smile
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« Reply #333 on: 10-05-2013 18:06 »

That link on the infosphere is just linking to the thing we were discussing on the previous page of this thread and it's already been dismissed as conjecture on the part of the author based on what we already knew from things such as Matt Groening's words to Billy West at Comic Con.

It means nothing.

That's not to say that the show won't come back in some form. As Beamer says, I'm sure they're talking about it with people, as we speak, but we have no idea what's happening at the minute and, given the nature of how the show is produced, a one-off DVD movie seems unlikely, in all honesty.
MuchAdo

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« Reply #334 on: 10-05-2013 21:03 »

Nothings official, just articles hoping... praying.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/20131/20130929/futurama-last-season-cancelled-simpsons-crossover-dvd.htm

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/futurama/27306/does-futurama-have-a-future

http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/-i-m-sorry-we-killed-the-dog--and-other-shocking--futurama--confessions--221635905.html

http://www.phillyburbs.com/00redesign/life-style/reality/long-live-futurama/article_59e601ac-da52-5a41-9fcf-41689b688a75.html

There was an much better internet article with Matt stating something was in the works but he couldn't talk about it for legal reasons back from mid September but I see it's gone now. I have looked and looked.
Lost My Phone

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« Reply #335 on: 10-06-2013 15:56 »

That's too bad. But if Matt really did say that something is in the works, then maybe there really is. We'll just have to wait and see.
Beamer

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« Reply #336 on: 10-06-2013 16:19 »

"Something is in the works" is an incredibly vague statement, though. He could just mean that preliminary talks are currently underway.
Lost My Phone

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« Reply #337 on: 10-06-2013 16:35 »

That's what I think it meant too. I really doubt they'd start working on another movie right away, but I'm sure they're talking about it.
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« Reply #338 on: 10-06-2013 16:59 »

Yeah. David X. Cohen sounded thankful for the break in all of the interviews he did close to the final episode airing, so I wouldn't be surprised if the crew were/are just enjoying a few months off before really trying to get the show going again.
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« Reply #339 on: 10-06-2013 19:03 »

In other news, on Friday it was announced that Fox would be renewing The Simpsons for a 26th production season.  Not much of a surprise, really: (1) Fox held an option, (2) the other AD programs had already been renewed and (3) heavily promoting The Simpsons final season will equate into millions of additional revenues for Fox.  There's plenty of speculation that the 26th production season will be the last as Fox has begun shopping The Simpsons for entry into cable syndication in 2015/2016.

But MG will be busy for another year.
Lost My Phone

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« Reply #340 on: 10-06-2013 19:13 »
« Last Edit on: 10-06-2013 19:15 »

There's a thread for The Simpsons, you know.

Anyway, while we're talking about The Simpsons, I think I read somewhere that Fox has only ordered 15 episodes for Season 26. Since there are usually around seven holdover episodes from the previous season, that would mean that Broadcast Season 26 would have approximately 22 episodes, like broadcast seasons usually do. Except there wouldn't be any more episodes from the production season to hold over. For that reason, this person speculated that Season 26 would be the last. Then again, this could be a mere speculation someone made in their blog.
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« Reply #341 on: 10-06-2013 21:53 »
« Last Edit on: 10-06-2013 22:02 »

In other news, on Friday it was announced that Fox would be renewing The Simpsons for a 26th production season.  Not much of a surprise, really: (1) Fox held an option, (2) the other AD programs had already been renewed and (3) heavily promoting The Simpsons final season will equate into millions of additional revenues for Fox.  There's plenty of speculation that the 26th production season will be the last as Fox has begun shopping The Simpsons for entry into cable syndication in 2015/2016.

But MG will be busy for another year.

Actually A.D! is moving to TBS for 15 more episodes and Family Guy has NOT been renewed yet. But yes, Bob's Burgers and the Simpsons have both been renewed.
I honestly hope FOX moves Family Guy to TBS as well, or just cancels it forever.

I have not read that the Simpsons was renewed for a smaller production run?
Where is that info?
If anything Al Jean keeps suggesting they'll go until season 30!
PNS2CLT
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« Reply #342 on: 10-06-2013 22:30 »

I've read the speculation that Fox has ordered a partial production season, but have not seen confirmation.  I'd expect that Fox would give MG the option of a full production season to wrap things up.  As Fox will heavily market The Simpsons' final season, the 7-9 holdover episodes would be advantageous in that ratings (and thus ad rates) will likely be higher; for example, beginning the season with a one-hour premier in August would "eat" those additional episodes. 

The strongest evidence in that this will be The Simpsons' final season is that Fox has begun shopping the syndication rights to cable.  Fox's current syndication agreement with local broadcast stations prohibits it from shopping the series to cable as long as new episodes are being produced; Fox unsuccessfully tried to circumvent the deal in the early 2000s (and feed the show to FX), and there's no reason to believe anything's changed since.  It's no secret that many within Fox believe that syndication fees will never be higher (it's always endured a boom/bust cycle).  Seinfeld has generated an estimated three times the syndication revenue as The Simpsons, despite having ended 15 years ago.

Actually A.D! is moving to TBS for 15 more episodes and Family Guy has NOT been renewed yet. But yes, Bob's Burgers and the Simpsons have both been renewed.
I honestly hope FOX moves Family Guy to TBS as well, or just cancels it forever.

I have not read that the Simpsons was renewed for a smaller production run?
Where is that info?
If anything Al Jean keeps suggesting they'll go until season 30!

Family Guy's renewal is a safe assumption; my point with AD & BB being renewed was that it foreshadowed The Simpsons' renewal.  With AD ending on Fox and no animated show in the pipeline to replace it -- plus speculation that BB was only renewed to push it toward daily syndication --  there's a fair chance A.D. may be ending soon.  frown
Mr Snrub

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« Reply #343 on: 10-06-2013 23:12 »

Fucking Family Guy. Not even MacFarlene wants it to go on. Just kill it already.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #344 on: 10-06-2013 23:15 »

I'm gonna throw a freakin' block party the day Family Guy ends.
moonbus69

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« Reply #345 on: 10-07-2013 00:33 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2013 00:43 »

Monster_Ro...Ma...,

That 'Top of the Page' Hypno Toad animation is freakin' awesome!
Think it might actually work better on my lady than the Jedi mind trick ever did...

I loved Family Guy in the beginning, and the earlier Simpsons seasons too,
and won't miss either when they finally do end. A block party is a cool idea!

Another good idea... A block party when, and 'if' (and any science-fiction related story is mostly about a 'what if' situation) it is confirmed that FUTURAMA is returning!!!
(do hand-springs & then wave your hands in the air like ya just don't care!)

As the show did come back, after Fox TV run, as 4 movies, just wish they would do that again, and maybe a limited release in theaters, even for one showing, of next one.
If Matt & Dave, and all the gang want to, just... "Do it! Do it! You knows ya wants ta!"
(and then Civilization, as we's knows its, will be safes for another days...)  big grin
Tachyon

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« Reply #346 on: 10-07-2013 00:44 »

I'm gonna throw a freakin' block party the day Family Guy ends.

With blackjack?  And hookers?  I still have a little hope that Futurama will return, but I can be overly optimistic at times.

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« Reply #347 on: 10-07-2013 01:06 »

Yea, I'm still going through the steps to exceptance

"What the show ended, when did this happen?," leaves the room then breaks a window.
moonbus69

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« Reply #348 on: 10-07-2013 01:43 »

Yea, I'm still going through the steps to exceptance

"What the show ended, when did this happen?," leaves the room then breaks a window.
Yes! And furthermore...

"I don't want to live on this planet anymore..." (Farnsworth in 'A Clockwork Origin')



Fly me to the Moon... any moon!
Lost My Phone

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« Reply #349 on: 10-07-2013 02:04 »

I'm gonna throw a freakin' block party the day Family Guy ends.

What if it rains?

MuchAdo

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« Reply #350 on: 10-07-2013 03:19 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2013 03:26 »

I'm gonna throw a freakin' block party the day Family Guy ends.

Nice! I hate that shit too.

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Family Guy's renewal is a safe assumption; my point with AD & BB being renewed was that it foreshadowed The Simpsons' renewal.  With AD ending on Fox and no animated show in the pipeline to replace it -- plus speculation that BB was only renewed to push it toward daily syndication --  there's a fair chance A.D. may be ending soon.  frown

They have Murder Police to replace anything with, but some people called A.D! would be canned for Murder Police to take it's slot since it's Goodman's project.

A.D! will run for probably four 15 episode seasons on TBS and end with 200+ episodes.

FG and The Simpsons will simply go on as long as ratings keep it possible.
PNS2CLT
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« Reply #351 on: 10-07-2013 06:10 »

They have Murder Police to replace anything with, but some people called A.D! would be canned for Murder Police to take it's slot since it's Goodman's project.

A.D! will run for probably four 15 episode seasons on TBS and end with 200+ episodes.

FG and The Simpsons will simply go on as long as ratings keep it possible.

Nice; I didn't realize Murder Police was destined for AD -- I thought it was a ADHD project. 

While I personally hope The Simpsons will continue to entertain us into the future, Fox shopping the series into cable syndication suggests otherwise.  Syndication (in general) has histrionically participated in the boom-bust cycle.  For example: most terrestrial stations overpaid for The Cosby Show in the late 1980s; they knew they'd never make money off the show, but hoped it'd increase their stations' overall viewership.  The gamble largely failed, the economy went into a recession & syndication fees went into a free fall.  In 2002, FX agreed to license Malcom In The Middle for a then-record $1M (including cash + the potential value of the bartered time).  The gamble failed (hey, at least it's the same parent).  Enter 2013, with syndication fees soaring to all-time records, many terrestrial stations have dropped highly rated, but high cost programming in favor of cheaper options that yield bigger profits.  Many suspect another bust cycle is coming & it'll take a long while before fees reach where they're at today.  Thus, some Fox executives feel the pressure to cut a deal on The Simpons.  Unfortunately, per the poor incumbent deal in place with terrestrial stations, that means ending production of the series. frown
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« Reply #352 on: 10-07-2013 10:03 »

I can't believe you people are willing Family Guy to end, but seem to want The Simpsons to go on. What the hell is wrong with all of you?
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« Reply #353 on: 10-07-2013 10:13 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2013 10:15 »

Eh, I wouldn't be phased if The Simpsons made it to 30 or if it were somehow cancelled tomorrow. I stopped giving a shit a long time ago (and by the state of the show today, so did most of the people involved in making it). Granted, I would prefer to see The Simpsons just be put out of its damn misery already over continuing the way it's going, but it's not something I feel strongly about. The damage is well beyond done.

But while I feel very little beyond apathy for The Simpsons (at least the current seasons, anyway), I hate Family Guy with a passion. Largely just for its inexplicable fans and the following it has, but still, I KIND OF understand where some of the posters here are coming from. To a certain degree, anyway.
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #354 on: 10-08-2013 01:49 »

Family Guy is the only show on Television that I simply will not watch. It's just way too unoriginal and low-brow for me to even enjoy it. I feel like most of it's fans only like it because it's a popular show, and they don't realize just how crappy it is.

I don't even understand how The Simpsons is still on the air. It gets bad ratings, not many viewers, and has no current popularity. I just don't see what's keeping it alive at this point.
cartoonlover27

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« Reply #355 on: 10-08-2013 02:16 »

I can't believe you people are willing Family Guy to end, but seem to want The Simpsons to go on. What the hell is wrong with all of you?

Old Family Guy is good.
New Family Gut is terrible.
Old Simpsons is great.
New Simpsons is meh.

I don't believe anyone here cares if it lives or dies, except me. I have a love/hate with The Simpsons right now. Family Guy got sucky for me when they started copying other shows.
PNS2CLT
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« Reply #356 on: 10-08-2013 02:18 »
« Last Edit on: 10-08-2013 02:51 »

Family Guy is the only show on Television that I simply will not watch. It's just way too unoriginal and low-brow for me to even enjoy it. I feel like most of it's fans only like it because it's a popular show, and they don't realize just how crappy it is.

I don't even understand how The Simpsons is still on the air. It gets bad ratings, not many viewers, and has no current popularity. I just don't see what's keeping it alive at this point.

- New episodes of The Simpsons typically rank within the top 20 of ALL weekly programming among those 18-49 (and much higher among those 18-35).
- Within a week, each episode is typically screened by an estimated 25M-30M through broadcast, DVR/VCR playback, ondemand & online.  
- And that's just in the USA... it continues to reign as the most widely syndicated program globally.
- An estimated $1B in merchandise sales occur annually.

New episodes of the The Simpsons are viewed more favorably through time.  The initial seasons (beginning with the fourth) that were widely panned by critics are now considered part of the series' golden age.  I personally compare new episodes to most of Futurama's run: excellent, well-written & entertaining ... but nothing to stand out.  

Family Guy still delivers several episodes each season that blow me away as outstanding, although most others are "meh" and based on toilet humor that propelled it to success to begin with.  Fox recognized the edgy, toilet-driven humor, which is why it was originally awarded the time slot after The Simpsons & before The X-Files.  Futurama, OTOH, was previewed in this slot but always destined for the Tuesday animation block with King of the Hill and the PJ's.  King of the Hill had been a top-10 show while airing on Sunday, but was near cancellation on Tuesday; Fox had hoped that the animation block (with Futurama) would be successful, but it flopped.  MG suspected such, which is why he battled to keep Futurama on after The Simpsons but Fox insisted to go with FG (hence the original disdain).  Fox eventually decided to put (and kept) Malcom in the Middle in between The Simpsons & X-Files.  While Futurama got screwed, Family Guy got *****.  
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« Reply #357 on: 10-08-2013 04:16 »
« Last Edit on: 10-08-2013 04:19 »

- New episodes of The Simpsons typically rank within the top 20 of ALL weekly programming among those 18-49 (and much higher among those 18-35).

That's not true. Last year the show's ratings were averaging between 4 and 5 million for the most part. In fact, last season's episode "To Cur With Love" is the show's lowest-rating episode to date, with just 3.77 million upon its initial airing. Four seasons earlier, it was averaging 6-8 million per episode, and four seasons before that, it was averaging 8-10 million. The ratings are dropping. Granted, tv ratings in general are dropping due to increased popularity in other mediums, but even with that factored in, the ratings are pretty abysmal for a show in a primetime Sunday night slot.

- It continues to reign as the most widely syndicated program globally.
- An estimated $1B in merchandise sales occur annually.

I don't think the production of new episodes really impacts those figures, though. At this point, with over 500 episodes in the bank and international syndication, the show's going to keep making Fox money for a very long time to come, regardless of whether or not new episodes are still produced.

New episodes of the The Simpsons are viewed more favorably through time.  The initial seasons (beginning with the fourth) that were widely panned by critics are now considered part of the series' golden age.

The argument could also be made that such negative reception could also be attributed to the fact that we didn't used to have any source of comparison for a truly awful episode of the show. Ten years ago - and this was well after the Mike Scully era - most hardcore fans considered the golden age to be seasons 1-9 (some would narrow it down further, ie. 3-8, but it would almost always be within this range of episodes). Ten years later, and that consensus among Simpsons fans online has still largely not changed.
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« Reply #358 on: 10-08-2013 06:56 »
« Last Edit on: 10-08-2013 06:59 »

That's not true. Last year the show's ratings...

I did not say The Simpsons' ratings have not declined.  I said that the show remains popular, with new episodes of the show remaining among the top 20 most watched programs of the week by adults 18-49.  It's absolutely true, and websites like TV By The Numbers will verify it.  

Fox estimates that 25M-30M people watch each new first-run episode of The Simpsons within a week of its original broadcast through their favorite medium (the broadcast itself, DVR playback, online streaming, on-demand through their video provider).  The way people have watched television has changed.  Although the number of hours spent watching video programming has increased, the number of hours spent watching live TV has decreased.

I dropped cable in 2009, so when Futurama was revived, I bought the DVDs each December and binge watched them on my annual Holiday trip to Hawaii.  It made what would otherwise be a miserable 9-hour flight into a very pleasurable trip.  Unfortunately, it did nothing to help the ratings.  (This year I purchased them on the Internet, so that I could savior the series.)

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I don't think the production of new episodes really impacts those figures, though. At this point, with over 500 episodes in the bank and international syndication, the show's going to keep making Fox money for a very long time to come, regardless of whether or not new episodes are still produced.

I don't disagree with you, and neither does Fox, which is why it's probable the series will be ending next season so that Fox may cash its big syndication fee check.  But I was refuting the assertion that the series was no longer popular.

BTW, at nearly $300K per 30-second ad buy, The Simpsons is still one of television's mostly costly programs to advertise on -- and not far from the top, either.  With the prime time ad fees, fees earned from cable/online steams & online episode buys/DVD purchases, The Simpsons is likely still a solidly profitable show.  In contrast, it's alleged the last three years of Futurama (CC renewed it after the first) lost money.

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The argument could also be made that such negative reception could also be attributed to the fact that we didn't used to have any source of comparison for a truly awful episode of the show. Ten years ago - and this was well after the Mike Scully era - most hardcore fans considered the golden age to be seasons 1-9 (some would narrow it down further, ie. 3-8, but it would almost always be within this range of episodes). Ten years later, and that consensus among Simpsons fans online has still largely not changed.

Like many other things in life, people don't like the newer seasons of The Simpsons -- but they like many of the episodes in them.  Season 8 was panned for years, with initial reaction to the "Poochie" episode being that the writers had run out of ideas; now it's considered one of the series' most genius moments and one of the series' best seasons.  Time will truly judge the series, especially when the episodes are tossed onto cable and played endlessly.  
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« Reply #359 on: 10-08-2013 14:55 »
« Last Edit on: 10-08-2013 23:55 »

Old Family Guy is good.
New Family Gut is terrible.
Old Simpsons is great.
New Simpsons is meh.
Old Family Guy is mostly poorly written, but great for some good laughs. A decent show, but no masterpiece.
New Family Guy is mostly poorly written, but with maybe one or two decent laughs per episode - however, once in a while, they still make a great episode. Well past its prime, but not devoid of quality.
Old Simpsons is a masterpiece.
New Simpsons is borderline unwatchable. It's just appallingly bad.


New episodes of the The Simpsons are viewed more favorably through time.  The initial seasons (beginning with the fourth) that were widely panned by critics are now considered part of the series' golden age.  I personally compare new episodes to most of Futurama's run: excellent, well-written & entertaining ... but nothing to stand out.
Are they really, though? Some people were harsh on the seasons as they came out, but I imagine that was more people complaining about how illogical Paul McCartney showing up in "Lisa the Vegetarian" was and getting upset about it because it represented a noticeably weaker episode of the show up until that point. Nowadays, most people I know claim to hate The Simpsons, ignoring the good old episodes, just because the new ones suck so hard. Have seasons 15-25 aged well in people's memories? Some of them have had 10 years to do so.

The notion that some idiots complained about brilliant episodes doesn't mean that the new episodes don't suck. It's a stupid argument.

As for there not being stand-out episodes of Futurama? Really? Do you honestly not find episodes like "Roswell that Ends Well" or "The Late Philip J. Fry" or "The Luck of the Fryrish" to be stand-outs?
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