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totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #40 on: 07-22-2013 22:38 »
« Last Edit on: 07-22-2013 22:39 by totalnerduk »

TOTP!



Everybody but you is wrong, tnuk. You're always right, nobody has a good argument to pick with you.

Funnily enough, I don't claim to be always right. Here's an example of a time when I wasn't. I can be wrong, and I can quite happily bear correction when I am.

The fact that people always seem to pick a losing argument to have isn't my fault either. It's as if they enjoy sounding stupid, sometimes.

"If somebody feels the need to disagree with me, they are usually wrong."

Wow, somebody needs to get over themselves.

Hey, I'm not always right, and I'm happy to admit that. It's just that usually people tend to be wrong when disagreeing with me. I realise that this sounds like the height of arrogance, but quite frankly, I don't care. When I'm right, I'm right. Doesn't stop people trying to argue, because... well, see above. Some people seem to take a perverse joy in making themselves appear as dumb as possible.

Every so often, somebody decides to disagree strongly with me, and a lengthy debate ensues. By the end of it, the other party will normally have egg on their face, because it's evident that I was right from the beginning. On-topic and Off-topic are full of examples. I don't tend to say much that I can't back up, I do tend to know roughly what I'm talking about, and I'm capable of both constructing a solid case for an argument and deconstructing or refuting in detail the case presented by somebody who can't back up what they're saying, and/or doesn't know what they're talking about. It's not a skill set that's going to prove useful in life very often, but it makes it easy to present a convincing justification for any opinion that I might care to express on PEEL.

It also fools a fair few people into thinking that I'm a bit smarter than I actually am - which isn't always a good thing.

I'm just going to end this with a nice, and simple, Forget about this whole thing! I don't have the time to lay down every possible flaw with your last post.

You mean that you can't. I'm not saying that it's flawless, just that you're incapable of actually doing it. Oh, sure, you might be capable of attempting it. But I'd be able to counter you point-by-point all the way through, because I haven't said anything that I can't back up if necessary. That's one of the things that many people find infuriating about any discussion involving myself - I normally take the time to make sure that I can back up what I'm saying, and counter any of the usual gibberish that people tend to spew in defending their position (see my response to BlueZoidberg1, aka TheAnvil's brother).

And I do not want any hard feelings to be dealt with, as it may come back to strike us one day.

Well, I harbour no resentment here. If I decided to hold a grudge against everybody who misinterpreted or misrepresented me, or against everybody who says something stupid, I'd have a grudge list as long as my arm. It would seem that people just can't help grasping the wrong end of the stick in certain cases, and picking up the wrong stick entirely in others.

Go your way in peace, kid. Just remember the point I was trying to make: I don't hate new Futurama, and I don't hate the new Futurama fans. I might think that they're stupid on occasion, but overall, I value them more highly than other television, or, say, fans of things like the Kardashians or the ridiculous plethora of TV talent and/or "reality" shows.

Now, once again, I feel that we really ought to be discussing the crossover here.



This will probably be pretty bad, but I'd watch it.

I'm inclined to agree with UrL. Although, since learning that JSB will be the lead writer, and Bill Odenkirk will be involved, I'm ever so slightly less pessimistic. I mean, the two have a real knack for capturing the flavour that made Futurama so impressive initially, and have worked on some very good episodes (with a few less-good ones as well).

It'd be nice to see this mark a return to classic form for both shows, and maybe more of the Futuramaverse will bleed through into The Simpsons over time, which would be a nice little bonus for fans of both shows. I'm still not really hopeful though, based on The Simpsons and Futurama's most recent offerings (not that I've watched much more than five minutes of The Simpsons at a time).

If ... Al Jean and his minions have little to do with it

From your keyboard to God's inbox, I hope. tongue
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« Reply #41 on: 07-22-2013 23:11 »

A futurama-simpsons crossover can only work in the futurama universe IMO. Although I haven't watched any 'new' simpsons since about season 12 or something, so I could be wrong, but things like that just don't happen in the simpsons unless it is non-cannon (unless the show is like that now... I really hope not...)

I've always thought that a simpsons-futurama crossover would work as a full-length movie, set in the futurama universe. But seeing as it's a simpsons episode, I'm dubious.

I dunno. It sounds like it could be a complete disaster, but on the other hand it could work if done right.... but I think the best time to do it would have been when the simpsons was still actually good (once again, maybe it's picked up again - I wouldn't know, as I abandoned it a long time ago).

I just find it odd that as soon as we hear that the simpsons is crossing over with FG, there's talk on it crossing over with futurama too... I dunno, I guess I can't knock it 'til I've seen it.
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« Reply #42 on: 07-22-2013 23:14 »

And Danny is totally our resident hyper-fangirl.  wink I mean that with wuv, not hate or mockery.  love

Thank you. I'll take that title in the form of a PEELie. tongue
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« Reply #43 on: 07-23-2013 01:49 »

So if Homer is in the Futurama world what would he love the best?
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #44 on: 07-23-2013 01:52 »

So if Homer is in the Futurama world what would he love the best?

LoBrau, probably. There's nothing Homer enjoys more than slowly poisoning his liver.
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« Reply #45 on: 07-23-2013 02:18 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2013 02:27 »

So wait, is this for real? Even as a Halloween episode, this would like the worst idea. Even worse than the Family Guy thing. I thought this was just going to be a cameo instead.
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« Reply #46 on: 07-23-2013 02:42 »

So if Homer is in the Futurama world what would he love the best?

LoBrau, probably. There's nothing Homer enjoys more than slowly poisoning his liver.

I think Homer loves donuts the best with duff second and Marge third.
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« Reply #47 on: 07-23-2013 07:56 »

I'm sure there'll be some thinly-veiled excuse as to how the two worlds are meeting (dream sequence or something equally horrible). But honestly, I'm much happier that this is happening on The Simpsons and NOT Futurama. Even though the other way around would make more sense because of Futurama's sci-fi universe setting. But I look at this way: If this is completely horrible, all it ever winds up being is "yet another god-awful Simpsons episode." Honestly, it couldn't do much more damage to the show than the last few seasons have.

Regardless of your opinion on post-cancellation Futurama (and I'm personally a fan), I doubt many people here hold it in a lower regard than present-day Simpsons. Let it happen, who gives a shit? I think it's a bad idea, but hey, doesn't tarnish Futurama's reputation at all.
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« Reply #48 on: 07-23-2013 08:24 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2013 08:31 »

Mr. Groening said in the "Big Piece of Garbage" commentary that Futurama takes place in the real world, while Simpsons is fictional. Making this the setup would make it mesh with Futurama well, as many Simpsons products have appeared in the backgrounds of Futurama episodes ("Eat my Shorts!" "Okay!.......mmmmmmm, shorts..."). Maybe the professor will make a machine that transports them into the TV world? That would work for me.

...But, if they just throw it all together really quickly just to have more veiwers, it would probably suck. Hopefully it turns out to be really good, because i love both shows. Sadly, the newer Simpsons episodes 100% DO suck, so I can't get my hopes up that high. I've never read the crossover comics, but maybe they'll just reuse the story from that. That said, are the crossover comics any good? They probably would provide us with a basic idea as to how the story will go.
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« Reply #49 on: 07-23-2013 08:33 »

Mr. Groening said in the "Big Piece of Garbage" commentary that Futurama takes place in the real world, while Simpsons is fictional.

I know, but they've hardly stuck to that rule. Matt Groening has been on The Simpsons as "the creator of Futurama," Bender's had a couple of background cameos, Fry's been in a couch gag, etc. I'm sure there's probably more that I'm forgetting. Both universes are fictional and treat the other as fictional too.

Maybe the professor will make a machine that transports them into the TV world? That would work for me.

While that would be the preferable explanation for a crossover, this is going to air as an episode of The Simpsons. The story's not going to open in the Futurama universe.
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« Reply #50 on: 07-23-2013 08:41 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2013 08:55 »

While that would be the preferable explanation for a crossover, this is going to air as an episode of The Simpsons. The story's not going to open in the Futurama universe.

True. Maybe Professor Frink (He's the Farnsworth of the Simpsons universe) could make an invention like this? That would work for a Simpsons Episode.

I wonder what the guys at NoHomers.net think about this? I'd like to hear their thoughts.
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« Reply #51 on: 07-23-2013 13:53 »

That said, are the crossover comics any good? They probably would provide us with a basic idea as to how the story will go.

I thought they were really well done, some great art and colours in them too. The first Crossover Crisis is about the Brain Spawn trapping the PE crew in some Simpsons Comics that are going to be preserved in liquid diamond, so they have to escape before that happens.

The second Crossover Crisis is about the Professor inventing a device that brings fictional characters from books/comics into reality, and he uses it on a Simpsons Comic. Then on accident the device ends up in a library and brings thousands of fictional characters from popular books to life, so the Futurama and Simpsons cast must work together to stop them.

But we already know the crossover episode is about Bender going back in time to kill Bart, because Bart does something that makes the future awful.
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« Reply #52 on: 07-23-2013 14:48 »

The first Crossover Crisis comic was surprisingly good, but the second was a convoluted mess... Too big an idea to really do well over two comics that size.

Is that REALLY the plot for this episode? Shit, it sounds awful already.
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« Reply #53 on: 07-23-2013 14:52 »

I guess the plot synopsis already confirms that in terms of the crossover, The Simpsons and Futurama are set in the same universe. How can Bart affect the timeline in a fictional universe?
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« Reply #54 on: 07-23-2013 15:00 »

I think this plot will involve something around alcohol... Just a guess but I think Bart somehow makes it so that Bender can't get his beer. Not really promising if you ask me, still hope it's good tough smile
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« Reply #55 on: 07-23-2013 15:05 »

Oh, and Beamer, it definitely is the plot for the crossover:

Quote from: Al Jean
The plot will revolve around bad boys Bender and Bart: “Bender has to come back from the future to kill Bart because there’s something that Bart does now that makes the future really, really, really bad,” Jean continues.

Source.
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« Reply #56 on: 07-23-2013 18:13 »

Sounds like a sweet plot.
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« Reply #57 on: 07-23-2013 19:44 »

You know, Bender does have the ability for time travel (in certain circumstances) that he gained in BBS.
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« Reply #58 on: 07-23-2013 19:53 »

But he still can't travel into a fictional world. hmpf
The timetravel never isn't a problem with Futurama-characters.
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« Reply #59 on: 07-23-2013 20:08 »

Well they can just use the "What if" machine.
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« Reply #60 on: 07-23-2013 22:57 »

Quote from: Al Jean
The plot will revolve around bad boys Bender and Bart: “Bender has to come back from the future to kill Bart because there’s something that Bart does now that makes the future really, really, really bad,” Jean continues.
This plot sounds alright, but seems more like a Treehouse of Horror episode's plot than a regular episode's plot. Also, how will the other characters get there? Will they come with Bender, or will it ONLY be bender? I also wonder how they're gonna explain the yellow skin everybody has in the Simpsons, and why nobody has it in the Future?
So many questions....so little time.... confused
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« Reply #61 on: 07-24-2013 00:00 »

Over a year is so little time?
Monster_Robot_Maniac

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« Reply #62 on: 07-24-2013 00:06 »

Over a year is so little time?
Why yes, yes it is.
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« Reply #63 on: 07-24-2013 03:23 »

I also wonder how they're gonna explain the yellow skin everybody has in the Simpsons, and why nobody has it in the Future?
Well, they changed the skin colour for their crossover episode with The Critic. Plus, we've already seen Fry with yellow skin in a couch gag once.

My main concern is... uhhh, isn't The Simpsons still supposed to be set in reality to a certain extent? Granted, they've done some crazy/stupid shit over the years, but having a legitimate epiosde with a plot about a time-travelling robot is way too far over the line for my liking.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #64 on: 07-24-2013 04:37 »

I also wonder how they're gonna explain the yellow skin everybody has in the Simpsons, and why nobody has it in the Future?
Well, they changed the skin colour for their crossover episode with The Critic. Plus, we've already seen Fry with yellow skin in a couch gag once.

They have "real world" guest stars all the time. I'd imagine that entering the Simpsonverse turns your skin yellow, and that the Futurama cast will be Simpsonized upon entry.
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« Reply #65 on: 07-24-2013 04:57 »

My main concern is... uhhh, isn't The Simpsons still supposed to be set in reality to a certain extent? Granted, they've done some crazy/stupid shit over the years, but having a legitimate epiosde with a plot about a time-travelling robot is way too far over the line for my liking.
That's exactly why i hope it's in a TOH or purposefully non-canon episode, as it's really far fetched for even the current Simpsons.
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« Reply #66 on: 07-24-2013 05:11 »

I also wonder how they're gonna explain the yellow skin everybody has in the Simpsons, and why nobody has it in the Future?
Well, they changed the skin colour for their crossover episode with The Critic. Plus, we've already seen Fry with yellow skin in a couch gag once.

They have "real world" guest stars all the time. I'd imagine that entering the Simpsonverse turns your skin yellow, and that the Futurama cast will be Simpsonized upon entry.

That's gonna look absolutely horrible.
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« Reply #67 on: 07-24-2013 05:16 »

That's gonna look absolutely horrible.

Oh my, yes. It's one reason I just don't see it working out well.
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« Reply #68 on: 07-24-2013 05:27 »
« Last Edit on: 07-24-2013 05:33 »

That's gonna look absolutely horrible.
I'm sure it wont be that bad, after all they're just changing the characters skin color. Their personalities and features will all be the same, at least.

Zoidberg will really stand out if all the main cast members (other than Hermes) are yellow. He'll probably be the first red-skinned character on the Simpsons roll eyes.
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« Reply #69 on: 07-24-2013 05:40 »

That's gonna look absolutely horrible.
I'm sure it wont be that bad, after all they're just changing the characters skin color. Their personalities and features will all be the same, at least.

Zoidberg will really stand out if all the main cast members (other than Hermes) are yellow. He'll probably be the first red-skinned character on the Simpsons roll eyes.

Well, here's something I just whipped up:



My rushed Photoshop effort may be partially to blame, but this looks pretty gross to me.
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« Reply #70 on: 07-24-2013 05:44 »

Well, it being different to what we're used to is probably part of the reason it looks gross. But yeah, it does look kind of weird...
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« Reply #71 on: 07-24-2013 05:54 »
« Last Edit on: 07-24-2013 05:56 »

 o_0
That's gonna look absolutely horrible.
I'm sure it wont be that bad, after all they're just changing the characters skin color. Their personalities and features will all be the same, at least.

Zoidberg will really stand out if all the main cast members (other than Hermes) are yellow. He'll probably be the first red-skinned character on the Simpsons roll eyes.

Well, here's something I just whipped up:



My rushed Photoshop effort may be partially to blame, but this looks pretty gross to me.
I take back what i previously said....That proves that the characters will look really weird
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« Reply #72 on: 07-24-2013 06:08 »

That Simpson-skin Farnsworth does look pretty disgusting.
Honestly, I don't think I'll bother watching this crossover unless people here say it's great. I'm almost certain it'll be awful, and since I feel confident that "Meanwhile" will be great, I want to end on a high note with Futurama without risking my opinion of it being tainted by this probable-mess.
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« Reply #73 on: 07-24-2013 06:13 »
« Last Edit on: 07-24-2013 06:15 »

I want to end on a high note with Futurama without risking my opinion of it being tainted by this probable-mess.
Yeah, i also hope it gives a good last last look at Futurama. It would really ruin 'Meanwhile' if the crossover misrepresents the Futurama universe and its characters  no no.
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« Reply #74 on: 07-24-2013 06:30 »

People are being way too apprehensive about the potential quality of this. Even if it's the worst thing ever made, it doesn't ruin Futurama if IT'S NOT HAPPENING ON FUTURAMA. Nobody's opinion on a show was ever tainted by a bad spin-off (usually because bad spin-offs usually die fast... Hell, this is only being confined to one episode!). It'd be like reading a terrible issue of Futurama Comics and declaring that your favourite show was now ruined. I'm sure there must be fans of The Critic who hated the Simpsons' crossover episode, and vice-versa.

Again, let's put this in perspective here: If this is shit (and I'm fairly sure it will be), all that it ultimately amounts to is "another bad Simpsons episode." Nobody's gonna be burning their Futurama DVDs and declaring the show ruined because of a bad episode of a seperate show. And it most certainly shouldn't be factoring into your appreciation of the last few Futurama episodes.

Also, Simpson-ised Farnsworth looks like a Farnsworth image being rendered on a display with a very limited colour spectrum. tongue
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« Reply #75 on: 07-24-2013 06:45 »

I'm looking forward to this episode.
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« Reply #76 on: 07-24-2013 06:51 »

I didn't intend to imply it would ruin my appreciation of the last Futurama episodes.

I just meant that I would like the last new Futurama material I see to be of high quality. Saying it would "taint" my opinion was the wrong wording, but it would irritate me a good deal to see a shitty episode that, though it's not happening in Futurama's universe, involves Futurama's characters after already watching what will hopefully be an excellent series finale. So, no, there wouldn't be any DVD-burning  or declaring the show ruined, but I think it would be very annoying to watch and could potentially leave a temporary negative impression.
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« Reply #77 on: 07-24-2013 06:58 »

I just can't wait...

[Bart Simpson upon his first encounter with Bender]..."I am Bart Simpson, who are you man."
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« Reply #78 on: 07-24-2013 07:07 »
« Last Edit on: 07-24-2013 07:11 »

I don't think it will "ruin" Futurama or anything like that, but it just seems like a really terrible idea and rather cash-grabby. And besides, what happened to Groening being so against this stuff for so many years? I mean, from I understand the story itself was more complicated than people realized, but even still...Matt took his name off that Critic-crossover! What changed his mind now? What the hell, Matt?

Basically (while this was meant to address the crossover with Family Guy, rather than Futurama), I agree with Brad Bird:

http://rubbercat.net/simpsons/news/2013/07/brad-bird-has-an-opinion-on-the-family-guysimpsons-crossover.html/358031059922862080">
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« Reply #79 on: 07-24-2013 08:18 »

I agree too, though The Simpsons has sunk to some pretty low depths since then. If Matt really wanted the series to be regarded with integrity, the show would've bowed out a LONG time ago.

Saying it would "taint" my opinion was the wrong wording, but it would irritate me a good deal to see a shitty episode that, though it's not happening in Futurama's universe, involves Futurama's characters after already watching what will hopefully be an excellent series finale.
Understandable, though still, even after "Devil's Hands," new Futurama material was still coming out in other mediums; look at the Futurama Comics. I mean, I stopped reading them around the Time Bender trilogy, but I believe that they're still going - and will keep on going after the show ends - and there's some pretty sub-part shit in them. And regardless of how bad this crossover is, Futurama is a show that lends itself VERY well to repeat viewings. You'll have the taste out of your mouth in no time. smile
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