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PEE Poll: How do you think the episode was?
1/10 - Garbage
2/10 - Horrible
3/10 - Bad
4/10 - Hate it
5/10 - Not good
6/10 - It's okay
7/10 - Not bad
8/10 - Pretty good
9/10 - Great!
10/10 - Love it!

Louiswuenator

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« Reply #120 on: 07-16-2012 06:05 »

Futurama is though.  Painstakingly drawn if front of a live audience!
Bendersfan1221

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« Reply #121 on: 07-16-2012 06:05 »

I liked the episode, but like with all the episodes so far this season, I was able to hear and pay attention to roughtly half the episode. So I'm going to have to rewatch. Most episodes with Zapp are great so it shouldn't be horrible. Though the whole Leela trying to seduce Zapp to prove a point was just wrong. That pissed me off. What I saw of the episode was about a 7.5/10 but that is subject to change once I rewatch it.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #122 on: 07-16-2012 06:37 »

I saw the first episode, live.  Did you? 

Very few cartoons are broadcast live. It's a terrible strain on the animators' wrists.

Yep, animators nowadays aren't what they used to be.
I my time, they were able to draw the "Battle for Minas Tirith" for a live cartoon, with much more detail than in the Jackson movie.
Also, they had to walk 20 miles to the studio. And it was uphill BOTH ways.  And there was snow even in the summer. And they were happy when being attacked by wolves, which meant they would not have to bother with bears... big grin big grin
pumpkinpie

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« Reply #123 on: 07-16-2012 08:06 »

Through her thick New New York accent I can't tell if Munda says "hard sex with Zapp" or "hot sex with Zapp". Either way, ugh.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #124 on: 07-16-2012 23:06 »

She says "hot". wink
coffeeBot

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« Reply #125 on: 07-16-2012 23:56 »

Through her thick New New York accent I can't tell if Munda says "hard sex with Zapp" or "hot sex with Zapp". Either way, ugh.

This is why I love Munda.

I thought that the premise of this episode would be so wrong that I wouldn't enjoy it. I was pleasantly surprised. This was definitely my favorite episode of the new season.  9/10

pumpkinpie

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« Reply #126 on: 07-17-2012 02:03 »

She says "hot". wink

Oh thank God.
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #127 on: 07-17-2012 05:08 »

You know pumkinpie, "hot" and "hard" are not mutually exclusive.
Gorky

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« Reply #128 on: 07-17-2012 05:15 »

And we have evidence from "Amazon Women in the Mood" suggesting that Zapp likes it real hard. flirt

Seriously, though, "hot sex with Zapp" is a disturbing enough image; to describe the sex as "hard" is far too filthy for my tastes...as both a viewer and a lover, I suppose.
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #129 on: 07-17-2012 10:18 »




Uh, yeah. So the Zapper seems a little out of character with going for the older woman, but wasn't the ulterior motive for this being so he could trick other aliens into war? Or it could be that he's lowered his standards.

Whatever...
Frisco17

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« Reply #130 on: 07-17-2012 13:22 »

Finally got a chance to see this one yesterday. It's easily the strongest episode yet from this season. I loved the shark aliens and the interactions between Zapp and Kif were fantastic as always. I also liked Fry and Bender spending half the episode goofing off with Leela's dad, culminating in Fry catching every possible disease from the sewer water. All in all I was impressed.

9/10
Gorky

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« Reply #131 on: 07-17-2012 15:07 »

Uh, yeah. So the Zapper seems a little out of character with going for the older woman, but wasn't the ulterior motive for this being so he could trick other aliens into war? Or it could be that he's lowered his standards.

I didn't see any evidence of an ulterior motive, though I suppose it was an interesting and perhaps intentional coincidence that Zapp scheduled the wedding on the same day as the already-determined peace treaty-signing. However, merely hiring Munda on as his translator would have been security enough that he could trick the Carcarons into declaring war on Earth; moreover, if Zapp didn't truly love Munda, I think he would have been more amenable to Leela's attempts to seduce him.

Gross as it all is, I think it makes sense that Zapp would honestly fall for Munda. She's smart (like Leela), feisty (like Leela), exotic-looking (like Leela)--but, unlike Leela, she's willing to have sex with him. I can certainly understand Zapp's attraction to her, even though his nonchalance about the wedding being called off is kind of at odds with his earlier declarations of ostensibly sincere love. I think that's more a consequence of how jam-packed this episode is, though, and not an indication that Zapp's reasons for marrying Munda were impure.
Frisco17

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« Reply #132 on: 07-17-2012 18:18 »

Add to that the fact that Munda now hates him as much as Leela does after finding out what he was planning to do with the treaty. So the one thing that she had going for her over Leela, based on your theory, is gone and he gave up.
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« Reply #133 on: 07-18-2012 01:36 »

I never thought of that, TastesLikeFry. Interesting. I would have to rewatch it again and see where I come up with that theory (which isn't likely to happen for a while since I don't get my recorded copies anymore cry )

Also, we already know Zapp has an alien/mutant fetish (The Lesser of Two Evils is but one early example).
SolidSnake

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« Reply #134 on: 07-18-2012 20:11 »

I think that the rest of this Season is going to get really better, because I had low feelings for this episode, and it surprised me! I enjoyed it alot! I hope the same is for "The Butterjunk Effect". Cause I got that "meh" feeling for that one  hmpf
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« Reply #135 on: 07-18-2012 21:16 »

I liked it ... really really liked.

This episode fels more like good old Futurama... and has little downs..

It had couple of unespected twists .. sci-fi jokes .. the characters were all at their good selfs (even Leela was pure Leela and Fry was good old Fry and not overly stupid).. maybe the episode could do with a bit more professor or Zoid but its ok as it is..

Also the Cantina setting sold me up big grin
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« Reply #136 on: 07-19-2012 01:56 »

Well, I can't make out Leela's line, but it sure looks like Fry is mouthing "I love you" to her. love
Exactly, thanks. That's what I thought too.
You're seeing what you want to see as well.
Well I thought that too and then I went back and looked at it again:



Three syllables that could translate as sounding as "I/A" short "Oh" long "U/ooo" Which could fit "I love you" but could also fit "Cows go moo"


Seriously this could be a new game! 'What did Fry say to Leela?'

May I just say I spent 30 minutes trying to grab those frame cause of the inability to pause it without a pause watermark over it - but as I was doing this it occurred to me that Fry and Leela are an 'I do' and a kiss away from having had their own wedding in the celebrating crowd. Even their best man bot is right there - foreshadowing? Or have those 30 minutes sent me kooky?

Either way this is my new fave still:


Leelas dress is begging to be re-coloured white and a white veil accessory to her hair...
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Well i've also started watching the clip a few times. (20:26-20:28) I think Fry really does say "I love you" maybe we should try to get them (The Creators) to answer this question in their next "live broadcast" thing?
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #137 on: 07-19-2012 05:58 »

Doitdoitdoitdoitdoit!!

Ahem. This episode, man. It wasn't perfect but I really dug the opening scene! I' a sucker for Star Wars jokes and the cantina setting was absolutely stunning. I felt like Leela didn't need to try and have sex with Zapp to prove her point, but since she's often a stubborn character, it's not completely out of line per say for her to do so. I was more surprised that Munda didn't even make a note of her daughter's behavior, along the lines of "stop trying to intentionally ruin my happy relationship!" or something. But I digress. Great Fry/Leela stuff in this one. I'll need a second viewing at least to really get the feeling of did I really like it or did I just think it was ok. Considering this week's episode, I'll give this one 7/10 quite easily. In fact, I'll give it an 8/10.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #138 on: 07-19-2012 17:49 »
« Last Edit on: 07-19-2012 17:54 »

I've tweeted Eric Rogers about it, the writer of this episode. big grin

*edit*

Sorry to burst your bubble everyone, but Fry doesn't say "I love you."

"Nope. Sorry, but that wasn't the intent, even if it looks that way."
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #139 on: 07-19-2012 17:58 »

Please tell me that you asked him what they said in general, and not if they said "I love you" specifically.  That way he can respond with more than a yes/no answer and also hopefully not become annoyed that: "Oh great here they go again with the Fry and Leela love stuff."  You see what I mean?

EDIT: Nevermind.
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #140 on: 07-19-2012 21:04 »

We'll just be forever in denial, Danny. Foreeeevvvveeeerrrrrrr.

* Professor Zoidy goes to a corner and rocks back and forth
Fry totally said I love you.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #141 on: 07-19-2012 21:14 »

Yes because Fry has never in the history of this show said "I love you" to Leela. Not once.
SolidSnake

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« Reply #142 on: 07-19-2012 21:54 »

Yes because Fry has never in the history of this show said "I love you" to Leela. Not once.
Umm he said it in "Parasites Lost".
Gorky

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« Reply #143 on: 07-19-2012 22:03 »

And in "The Sting," and in "Into the Wild Green Yonder," and in "Rebirth," and in "The Late Philip J. Fry"...

...I think Spacedal was being sarcastic, SolidSnake. wink
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« Reply #144 on: 07-20-2012 00:30 »

And in "The Sting," and in "Into the Wild Green Yonder," and in "Rebirth," and in "The Late Philip J. Fry"...

...I think Spacedal was being sarcastic, SolidSnake. wink

No, she was being completely serious. As an avid shipper she's never seen any one of those episodes and doesn't think that they're even worth considering as canon. Being such a huge shipper, she prefers to imagine Fry and Leela's relationship the way that she'd like it to go, rather than being messed around with by the show's writers.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #145 on: 07-20-2012 00:55 »

Once again, TNUK has read between the lines and found the truth.
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #146 on: 07-20-2012 03:29 »

I've tweeted Eric Rogers about it, the writer of this episode. big grin

*edit*

Sorry to burst your bubble everyone, but Fry doesn't say "I love you."

"Nope. Sorry, but that wasn't the intent, even if it looks that way."
So... "Cows go moo" it is then? (can you ask him? I would but I don't have twitter)
cyber_turnip

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« Reply #147 on: 07-20-2012 11:23 »

Probably the best episode up until last week but still terrible and enough to make me really, really, really worried for this show's future.

It was rarely funny and so many jokes fell completely flat in an outright awkward-to-watch kind of way, not to mention the cheap "let's mess up, then restore the status quo" sitcom premise. Some of the characterisation seemed way off and the surfing climax was yet another facepalm of shame-inducing moment - something this season has been absolutely full to the brim with.

If this season doesn't pick up, then that's it for me and Futurama and that really pains me to say. I was a strong defender of season 5 and 6.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #148 on: 07-20-2012 11:29 »

Rarely funny? Really?  hmpf I found it to be funnier than the vast majority of Season 6.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Mr Snrub

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« Reply #149 on: 07-20-2012 16:04 »

not to mention the cheap "let's mess up, then restore the status quo" sitcom premise.
You mean the premise that's been used in 99% of futurama episodes?
Quantum Neutrino Field

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« Reply #150 on: 07-21-2012 19:50 »
« Last Edit on: 07-21-2012 19:52 »

Episode was neither good nor bad.
End was too fitted for surfing thing, but it was nice to see development in characters of Morris and Munda. Jokes were as great as others in this season.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #151 on: 07-23-2012 21:16 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2012 21:40 »

Does anyone what was the name of song that played when Maurice surfed the Nimbus?

Mashak, I liked it, too. That song didn't sound familiar, so I assumed it was something that the composer created just for that episode. It was very surf guitar-ish.

For something similar and dreamy, try "Sleepwalk" by Santo and Johnny. Or get some Dick Dale, the king of surf guitar. He's an amazing musician.

Edit: Sorry, Mashak, I misread that. I thought you meant the end scene's score. I think Morris surfing the controls for the Nimbus was like an uptempo surf guitar song, right? I'll have to re-watch to verify.

Also (I know I'm very late to this conversation), I have never understood why some people take it personally that someone else doesn't like what s/he likes, or are somehow shaken up by this information. I'm referring to these silly statements that longtime fans--you know, the "real" ones--would never find this episode funny or good. Just reading this (I guess pretty much finished) thread in its entirety, I see the wide gamut of people's responses. The moral of the story: personal tastes are completely subjective. One can argue about the merits of Dostoyevksy but I still ain't gonna read "War and Peace."

And I fancy that what Fry said to Leela was so sexy and X-rated that that's why their dialogue was not audible.

Gorky

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« Reply #152 on: 07-23-2012 21:21 »

One can argue about the merits of Dostoyevksy but I still ain't gonna read "War and Peace."

And when people tell me Tolstoy's great, that doesn't make me wanna read The Brothers Karamazov! tongue
Xanfor

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« Reply #153 on: 07-23-2012 21:39 »

One can argue about the merits of Dostoyevksy but I still ain't gonna read "War and Peace."

Read it! Read it read it read it read it!
sparkybarky

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« Reply #154 on: 07-23-2012 21:44 »

Haha, Gorky and Xanfor. smile Maybe if there's a movie adaptation with explosions and hot shirtless dudes, then okay.
Tachyon

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« Reply #155 on: 07-23-2012 21:55 »


Like with Doctor Zhivago?

Gorky

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« Reply #156 on: 07-23-2012 22:00 »

I don't know if you'd want to see Russian dudes shirtless; I'd imagine they have chests furrier than a Siberian husky, to combat the crazy-cold temperatures in their home and native land.

Also, I've never read Tolstoy or Dostoevsky--let alone seen a man's bare chest--so I really shouldn't be talkin'.
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« Reply #157 on: 07-23-2012 22:04 »
« Last Edit on: 07-23-2012 22:07 »

If you want "War and Peace" with extra explosions, I recommend the subtitled 1967 Soviet version.  Of course it is 450 minutes long, but it is also an excellent depiction of the Tolstoy novel, with battle scenes that have what looks like the entire Red Army in Napoleonic-era uniforms.  This was filmed long before CGI even existed, those scenes with tens of thousands of soldiers locked in battle actually do have tens of thousands of people taking part.  This film takes "epic" to a higher level.

The closest American movie I can think of would be "Gettysburg" (1993), which also had a cast of thousands, depicted a major battle, and lasted (in the Director's Cut) over 4 hours.  But "War and Peace" blows "Gettysburg" away, in my opinion.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #158 on: 07-23-2012 22:26 »

Oh thanks, Mongo, for the subtle correction. Tolstoy, Tolstoy! *knocks own head in Chris Farley way*
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #159 on: 07-24-2012 07:26 »

Also, I've never read Tolstoy or Dostoevsky--let alone seen a man's bare chest--so I really shouldn't be talkin'.
But you've seen plenty of hairy men's chests, yes?
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