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« Reply #80 on: 06-22-2012 00:44 »

I find it weird that when Leelas arm came off, she didn't start howling in pain till Fry did.

That's when her painkillers wore off, I guess.

It was nice to see that Amy is not very good at reading Martian.  But why would anyone trust her anyway?

This joke goes deeper than most people realize. Sir Eric Thomposon, the first guy to translate Mayan hieroglyphics did it WRONG, halting Mayan research for 40 years, and that's where all the 2012 nonsense came from. (All the other reference to the "Mayan apocalypse" eventually go back to his book The Rise and Fall of Maya Civilization.)
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« Reply #81 on: 06-22-2012 00:49 »

But I do have one lingering question:  Why didn't Fry's pants burn up on reentry?

Pants don't have a high enough terminal velocity to generate the required friction. And, they were wet.
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« Reply #82 on: 06-22-2012 00:55 »

It was nice to see that Amy is not very good at reading Martian.  But why would anyone trust her anyway?

This joke goes deeper than most people realize. Sir Eric Thomposon, the first guy to translate Mayan hieroglyphics did it WRONG, halting Mayan research for 40 years, and that's where all the 2012 nonsense came from. (All the other reference to the "Mayan apocalypse" eventually go back to his book The Rise and Fall of Maya Civilization.)

Oh!  Thanks for sharing that tidbit.  I had no idea that the first guy who translated did it wrong.  That's quite a nod then that Josh wrote it that way.

As for the 2012 junk: that stuff was really started by the late Zecharia Sitchin who invented out of thin air a whole pseudo-mythology that would have made a great sci-fi story, but he had to go and ruin it by claiming that it was real and found in ancient Sumerian tablets.  Perhaps even sadder is that there are many who are so devoted to him they are unwilling to accept the evidence he made it up.

When Dec 22nd rolls around and everything is as it has always been I'm sure they will say that the changes were mystical and spiritual and more important than seeing things with our eyes. /rant
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« Reply #83 on: 06-22-2012 00:58 »

But I do have one lingering question:  Why didn't Fry's pants burn up on reentry?

Pants don't have a high enough terminal velocity to generate the required friction. And, they were wet.

But then they would have simply stayed in orbit rather than falling back to earth.
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« Reply #84 on: 06-22-2012 02:17 »

Coming...live from her bedroom....it's PUMPKINPIE! I'm back guys! big grin And I loved this episode. SO. MUCH. SHIP. love
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« Reply #85 on: 06-22-2012 02:37 »

Another really good episode.  The animation of the whole Mars being destroyed bit was fantastic. I also really liked the shippiness.  I was getting so tired of Fry being a whiny loser and Leela being a callous bitch. 

I just wonder what is going to happen to Mars.  Don't we have an episode coming up called Mars Vegas or something?  That means the planet must still be around.  It'll be interesting to see if the show ever references that it got knocked out of orbit.

Also, It's funny to think that, in The Series Has Landed, the writers were worried about what latitude Fry and Leela had to be at on the moon in order for the moon's shadow to follow them around at walking speed, and now Mars is flying by the Earth close enough to jump from one planet to the other.  Not a complaint.  Just shows that the laws of funny always trump the laws of physics in the end.

8/10
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« Reply #86 on: 06-22-2012 02:46 »

Yeah I was a little peeved by the scientific unpossibleness and unprobableness of that whole sequence. Futurama used to run on vaguely (by cartoon standards) realistic physical laws.

Aside from that, great episode. Just re-watched both of the new eps. Better again. The dialogue is great, the animation has reached new heights, and the Fry/Leela relationship isn't being ignored.
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« Reply #87 on: 06-22-2012 02:54 »

Coming...live from her bedroom....it's PUMPKINPIE! I'm back guys! big grin And I loved this episode. SO. MUCH. SHIP. love

Hi pumpkinpie! Glad you got to watch the show!
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« Reply #88 on: 06-22-2012 03:59 »

But then they would have simply stayed in orbit rather than falling back to earth.

Not with almost no tangential velocity and... what am I doing? This is Futurama! Lucky pants!

And WB PunkiePie. smile
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« Reply #89 on: 06-22-2012 05:09 »

But I do have one lingering question:  Why didn't Fry's pants burn up on reentry?

Pants don't have a high enough terminal velocity to generate the required friction. And, they were wet.

But then they would have simply stayed in orbit rather than falling back to earth.

Why do leaves flutter to the earth rather than plummeting suddenly and ending with a crushing thud that turns them into powder? Because they have a high enough ratio of surface area to mass that they just don't fall very fast. You can drop an ant onto concrete from a 50 foot tall building and it will scurry away with no harm, but if you do that with a horse, you get a big red splash. It's physics!
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« Reply #90 on: 06-22-2012 05:11 »

Yeah I was a little peeved by the scientific unpossibleness and unprobableness of that whole sequence. Futurama used to run on vaguely (by cartoon standards) realistic physical laws.

Aside from that, great episode. Just re-watched both of the new eps. Better again. The dialogue is great, the animation has reached new heights, and the Fry/Leela relationship isn't being ignored.
But then they would have simply stayed in orbit rather than falling back to earth.

Not with almost no tangential velocity and... what am I doing? This is Futurama! Lucky pants!


It's odd how they mix the relative realism of Fry's pants surviving a fall from near-orbit (note: Fry's pants were destined for the magnetosphere but didn't reach it, and fell back from what looks like an altitude below low Earth orbit) with the complete lunacy of Mars passing a few stories above NNY's street level (and playing fast and loose with gravity there).

Just to clarify; Fry's pants wouldn't enter orbit and would be unlikely to burn up, but they're also not his only pants, or shouldn't be. Fry's had multiple pairs of pants, and he's pawned some, some have been dissolved, some have burned up... the various pairs of pants Fry's worn have all looked the same (except for when they didn't), but he's definitely had multiple pairs. I dislike the implication that he's worn only one set of pants for the entire run of the show, and think that it should really be considered a goof. Though it's probably going to be another thing that we can lay at the door of "rule of funny". I don't like it when "rule of funny" trumps continuity.

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« Reply #91 on: 06-22-2012 05:22 »



both look completely different to me. both made by Matt. i can understand the change of color to his hair, jacket, etc. but it's obvious he has more than just 1 pair
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« Reply #92 on: 06-22-2012 05:23 »
« Last Edit on: 06-22-2012 05:30 »

The more I re-watch this one.. the higher I rate it... it's at least a 9.5/10 in my mind now.

Also I just now realized... Mars looks like it stopped in the Earth's orbit as the ep wraps up, instantly right after the scene where arms start ripping off... we get a quick shot of PE.. and it sure looks like Mars is semi-okay and in a new spot.

How did I not see this before?

Or am I wrong>
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« Reply #93 on: 06-22-2012 05:24 »

It's odd how they mix the relative realism of Fry's pants surviving a fall from near-orbit (note: Fry's pants were destined for the magnetosphere but didn't reach it, and fell back from what looks like an altitude below low Earth orbit) with the complete lunacy of Mars passing a few stories above NNY's street level (and playing fast and loose with gravity there).

Just to clarify; Fry's pants wouldn't enter orbit and would be unlikely to burn up, but they're also not his only pants, or shouldn't be. Fry's had multiple pairs of pants, and he's pawned some, some have been dissolved, some have burned up... the various pairs of pants Fry's worn have all looked the same (except for when they didn't), but he's definitely had multiple pairs. I dislike the implication that he's worn only one set of pants for the entire run of the show, and think that it should really be considered a goof. Though it's probably going to be another thing that we can lay at the door of "rule of funny". I don't like it when "rule of funny" trumps continuity.

Well, I'm not a physicist, in fact I'm not even a bulldozer ... but perhaps someone can explain why something lightweight which falls from a spaceship that is in orbit wouldn't stay in orbit unless pulled in by earth's gravity.
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« Reply #94 on: 06-22-2012 05:46 »

Well, I'm not a physicist, in fact I'm not even a bulldozer ... but perhaps someone can explain why something lightweight which falls from a spaceship that is in orbit wouldn't stay in orbit unless pulled in by earth's gravity.

It would stay in orbit - but in the scene in question, the PE ship wasn't in orbit - it was climbing away from Earth, straight up. An orbit is a tangential motion around a planet. Check out Wikipedia, it's got lots of info.
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« Reply #95 on: 06-22-2012 08:47 »

2nd episode of the night, ok.

I actually really really enjoyed this episode. Much better than the first one. That is, UNTIL, the damn ending. Everything was great - the callbacks, the return to Mars, Zapp Brannigan's cameo, the jokes - all of it. Until they had to do something unncessary and again, phsyically butcher the characters (Leela and Fry), at the end of the episode. Was that really necessary? You couldn't find a way to end the episode without going all Simpsons-y on it? Whatever happened to the days of Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love, where when you lost a limb you subsequently used it to beat someone over the head with and then to make a dirty joke to follow? I am just, so incredibly angry that they would go that route after the horrors of The Tip of the Zoidberg. It's just...I have no words for it. Stupid way to end an otherwise amazing episode.

Before that ending I would have given the episode a medium to high 9/10, but after that...ehhh I'm not sure. I'm straddling between 7 and an 8, I guess I will just say an 8/10 given that I ignore the last minute of the ending.
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« Reply #96 on: 06-22-2012 08:56 »

Is Unmentionable trolling as some sort of character, ala Andy Kaufman? The insane idiot character just doesn't do it for me.

Anyways, I loved this episode. The pacing, jokes and story only seem to get better upon repeated viewing(3 times now).

I think the highlight was Bender looting up a storm, but there was a lot to choose from, such as Zapp causing the ship to take off early and knocking folks to their death.

Anyways, great start and I'm already excited for next Wednesday.

Ps: I really hope that Mars stays an Earth satellite.
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« Reply #97 on: 06-22-2012 09:02 »

Whatever happened to the days of Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love, where when you lost a limb you subsequently used it to beat someone over the head with and then to make a dirty joke to follow?

Those days ended with I Dated a Robot.
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« Reply #98 on: 06-22-2012 09:04 »
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Agree with futurefreak, the ending was total crap dumped on the end of an otherwise 100% awesome episode with an epic sci-fi plot combined with some genuinely nice Fry/Leela shipping, along with some great Bender/Zapp/Nixon stuff.

I could just about suspend disbelief with Mars skimming Earth because it looked cool, but I have absolutely no love for the ridiculous "casually and un-realistically maim the characters with cartoon bones and no sign of them being in pain afterwards" crap that writers apparently think is a real huge hoot or something these days. What the hell is up with that? Didn't work in a tip of the zoidberg and sure as hell didn't work here.

Have we got a new writer with an amputee fetish on the staff or something?

To clarify, it's not the gore that I have a problem with, it is the lack of realism... when Fry lost his arm the first time, he went crazy and nearly beat zoidberg to death, plus they actually gave him painkillers after. When his hands were being eaten by a dino they cut away from the scene right away before he had a chance to scream, and both cases were followed up by extremely funny masturbation jokes.

With tip of the zoidberg and this ep, it just feels pointless, un-realistic, and un-funny. Like the writer thinking "LOL, wouldn't it be LOL if they got randomly mutilated and didn't react or care, LOL no-one would see that coming LOL", without actually realising that no, it isn't actually a good joke. Stop repeating it.
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« Reply #99 on: 06-22-2012 09:36 »

Is Unmentionable trolling as some sort of character, ala Andy Kaufman? The insane idiot character just doesn't do it for me.

nope. tongue i can't say anyone else here isn't trolling though

the next episode BETTER BE GOOD! i didn't vote on either poll for the newest season's threads 'cause they're just that bad
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« Reply #100 on: 06-22-2012 11:22 »

I know right?  Why didn't the poll maker add an option like negative 5? confused
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« Reply #101 on: 06-22-2012 11:24 »

Until they had to do something unncessary and again, phsyically butcher the characters (Leela and Fry), at the end of the episode. Was that really necessary? You couldn't find a way to end the episode without going all Simpsons-y on it? Whatever happened to the days of Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love, where when you lost a limb you subsequently used it to beat someone over the head with and then to make a dirty joke to follow? I am just, so incredibly angry that they would go that route after the horrors of The Tip of the Zoidberg. It's just...I have no words for it. Stupid way to end an otherwise amazing episode.

Though I'm usually turned-off by seemingly gratuitous gore, the ending really worked for me. It was shocking and a bit stomach-turning, yes, but I don't think it was handled any more unrealistically than the instances that've been pointed out from "Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love?" (where Fry is also horribly mutilated at the end, when Zoidberg keeps cutting off the wrong limbs as he attempts to reattach the severed arm) and "I Dated a Robot."

I suppose there could have been more screaming and bleeding and whatnot after Fry and and Leela lost their arms, but I'd rather the writers play the whole being-horribly-dismembered thing in an over-the-top, for-laughs way as opposed to a nauseatingly realistic way. I understand why that particular moment didn't do it for you personally, but I don't think the cavalier attitude taken about, like, painful mutilation in this attitude differs much from what was done with the same subject in the original run.
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« Reply #102 on: 06-22-2012 11:28 »

I think the writers desperately wanted the ending scene, and just did not manage a proper set up.

- A mutilated couple needing several times to hug each other
- A romantic tune played on the world's smallest violin with their tiny clone arms.
- A final shot of their cut off arms holding hands floating in space
was a hilarious spoof on love scenes.

The ending scene -seen isolated by itself- was imhO one of the best in Futurama.
There was just no proper path leading smoothly to that scene.
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« Reply #103 on: 06-22-2012 11:38 »

The ending was nowhere near as horrible as in "The Tip of the Zoidberg".  It lacked the disgusting part.  It was more funny like in "Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love?".  Although, not showing the bones would have increased its humour.

What bothered me about the ending was how they suddenly got Leela back, and what happened to Mars?!  Goddamn plotholes!  Although, "Viva Mars Vegas" may or may not explain this.
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« Reply #104 on: 06-22-2012 12:05 »

Agree with futurefreak, the ending was total crap dumped on the end of an otherwise 100% awesome episode with an epic sci-fi plot combined with some genuinely nice Fry/Leela shipping, along with some great Bender/Zapp/Nixon stuff.

I could just about suspend disbelief with Mars skimming Earth because it looked cool, but I have absolutely no love for the ridiculous "casually and un-realistically maim the characters with cartoon bones and no sign of them being in pain afterwards" crap that writers apparently think is a real huge hoot or something these days. What the hell is up with that? Didn't work in a tip of the zoidberg and sure as hell didn't work here.

Have we got a new writer with an amputee fetish on the staff or something?

To clarify, it's not the gore that I have a problem with, it is the lack of realism... when Fry lost his arm the first time, he went crazy and nearly beat zoidberg to death, plus they actually gave him painkillers after. When his hands were being eaten by a dino they cut away from the scene right away before he had a chance to scream, and both cases were followed up by extremely funny masturbation jokes.

With tip of the zoidberg and this ep, it just feels pointless, un-realistic, and un-funny. Like the writer thinking "LOL, wouldn't it be LOL if they got randomly mutilated and didn't react or care, LOL no-one would see that coming LOL", without actually realising that no, it isn't actually a good joke. Stop repeating it.
Pretty much what I felt, but explained way better haha. I took a day of personal venting before I made these reviews and lost some of the pizazz I had initially intended. But I think you hit it right on the head - just the unfunny throw in at the end to go along with the title of the episode. I...was fuming for a good while because I had intended to go on here and give this episode a solid 9/10 because it was fantastic UP UNTIL THAT ENDING.

The ending was nowhere near as horrible as in "The Tip of the Zoidberg".  It lacked the disgusting part.  It was more funny like in "Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love?".  Although, not showing the bones would have increased its humour.
Re: The Tip of the Zoidberg. That whole episode - beginning, middle, end - was just damn awful. I really think less and less of that episode when I look back on it. Ugh. I found, as Zmithy pointed out, the mutilations in Why Must I be a Crustacean in Love and I Dated a Robot to be less jarring than whatever the heck they are doing now. You might be right Svip, I may have tolerated the scene more had they not made it so un-Futuramay showing the bones and such, but I just think, lately, the writers find any reason to cut off body parts of the crew, even if it doesn't serve as a major plot point. AND THAT IS WHAT IS PISSING ME OFF.

There have been several mutilations in its day - these are the episodes I can think of off the top of my head:

  • Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love
  • Put Your Head on my Shoulder
  • I Dated a Robot
  • Spanish Fry
  • The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings

And the most recent:

  • The Tip of the Zoidberg
  • A Farewell to Arms

Now, I would argue that mostly all the mutilations in the original run served a fairly significant role in the main plots - or in the case of I Dated a Robot and Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love - made for a humorous site gag by following them up with a masturbation joke heh.

The last two episodes - while, maybe to a degree, they felt it was needed (like in The Tip of The Zoidberg, showing what a horrible doctor he is), the extent of the damage was not. There are other ways it could have been done, especially since we knew for over 6 seasons that Zoidberg was a terrible doctor and the worst mutiliation he did was put Fry's arms on the same side - so splitting Leela up in an unrealistic fashion with that whole spine gag was atrocious.

I just realized- you know what it is? It's like I'm watching a dang fanfic crossover of an Itchy and Scratchy cartoon with Futurama characters. AND I CAN'T STAND IT!

Get your act together, guys! mad mad
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« Reply #105 on: 06-22-2012 12:17 »

9/ 10. Couldnt make my mind up at which ep I liked more. It had a great twist at the end, with Fry being honourable, and it turning out he and all those on Earth were safe.

I wasnt to sure if it was funny or gross when they lost their arms.
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« Reply #106 on: 06-22-2012 12:37 »

Has the world gone mad? For the second episode in a row I find myself more or less in agreement with Tnuk.   eek

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Also, what use does Bender have for toilet paper?

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« Reply #107 on: 06-22-2012 13:12 »

Until they had to do something unncessary and again, phsyically butcher the characters (Leela and Fry), at the end of the episode. Was that really necessary? You couldn't find a way to end the episode without going all Simpsons-y on it? Whatever happened to the days of Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love, where when you lost a limb you subsequently used it to beat someone over the head with and then to make a dirty joke to follow? I am just, so incredibly angry that they would go that route after the horrors of The Tip of the Zoidberg. It's just...I have no words for it. Stupid way to end an otherwise amazing episode.

Though I'm usually turned-off by seemingly gratuitous gore, the ending really worked for me. It was shocking and a bit stomach-turning, yes, but I don't think it was handled any more unrealistically than the instances that've been pointed out from "Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love?" (where Fry is also horribly mutilated at the end, when Zoidberg keeps cutting off the wrong limbs as he attempts to reattach the severed arm) and "I Dated a Robot."

I suppose there could have been more screaming and bleeding and whatnot after Fry and and Leela lost their arms, but I'd rather the writers play the whole being-horribly-dismembered thing in an over-the-top, for-laughs way as opposed to a nauseatingly realistic way. I understand why that particular moment didn't do it for you personally, but I don't think the cavalier attitude taken about, like, painful mutilation in this attitude differs much from what was done with the same subject in the original run.

Also the name of the episode was A Farewell to Arms!  Omg, did you get that?  I just found that out! Omg! eek
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« Reply #108 on: 06-22-2012 13:13 »
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You know what *would* have been cool?

Fry squirting some extra-super-superglue (or varmint glue from scruffy big grin) on to his hand to make sure it wasn't greasy like earlier in the ep.

Then there would have been both a joke (similar to the unbreakable diamond chain) and a touch more realism. since there would have been an unbreakable bond between their hands, and the strong gravity pulling their bodies in opposite directions.. it would have fitted well with the episode's theme of Fry being smart and helpful, but still randomly screwing up even though he did the exact opposite of the thing that caused Leela to slip earlier on.

This is the kind of thing that should have been hashed out a writer's meeting, with someone stepping in and saying "Guys, this isn't an ep of Ren and Stimpy or Happy Tree Friends that we're writing here, human arms are not playmobil".
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« Reply #109 on: 06-22-2012 18:55 »

I can't believe how far out of proportion some of you are making this mutilation thing out to be.  You are using "Why Must I Be A Crustacean in Love" as this shining beacon of realism or something, distorted by nostalgia.  Let's compare it to "A Farewell to Arms" shall we?

Neither of the mutilations in those eps serves any plot point.  All they do is set up a joke later on.  Fry doesn't receive painkillers until he has had plenty of time to go watch the Decapodians do their thing and walk back to the ship along the beach.  Apparently tying up your shirt sleeve in a knot will stop all blood loss eh?  In "Crustacean", Fry's arm was snipped and so the bone doesn't show but in "Farewell" it is ripped out of it's socket, so the bone shows.  If Futurama had been showing bones since the beginning, would you be making a fuss?  No.

Also, in "Crustacean" after re attaching Fry's arm to the wrong side (apparently with all of the working muscles and tendons so he can move it normally) he then proceeds to cut off Fry's legs and then presumably his head, albeit off-screen.  How is that any less 'cartoony'.  It is a cartoon for crying out loud!

Futurama has been lacking realism since its inception, and now this one thing suddenly gets you all in a tiff?  I guess you're gonna hate this new season then because they have said that it's the most limb-losing yet.
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« Reply #110 on: 06-22-2012 20:38 »

For me the big thing was that there was no reason for the arms to come off. At least Zoidberg's claws and his laser saw are both easily accepted as being capable of severing a limb. As are T-rex teeth and razor-sharp swords, and basically anything else that's dismembered Futurama characters before. Fry and Leela's arms just fell off like they were made of wet toilet paper.
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« Reply #111 on: 06-22-2012 20:41 »

For me the big thing was that there was no reason for the arms to come off.

I think it was due to the gravity difference between Earth and Mars and shit... Plus Mars was being propelled through space...
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« Reply #112 on: 06-22-2012 20:50 »

As hilarious as the ending scene was, I still would have favored an ending in which Fry would acctually managed to save Leela, being given the "my hero" look.

Based on my perception of "cartoony justice":

A secondary character can act as a constant punching bag.
Yet with main characters, I believe in the "working hero": The more punishment an character has to take, the more he finally deserves his/her big moment.

And -regarding all the bad things that were dished out a Fry- that character finally
deserves some classical "Save the day, rescue the girl, be hailed as the hero" moment, without any catches or strings.

Well...maybe that is rather suitable for an episode in which Fry finally wins Leela for good (should that happen).
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« Reply #113 on: 06-22-2012 20:52 »

I just think it's silly that people are going on about realism when Mars passes so close to Earth at such a velocity that the kinetic energy release from their atmospheres colliding would be enough to sterilize both worlds.  No big deal, but the arm thing?  Now that's a crime against science.

There was no reason for Fry's arm to be cut off by Zoiberg either, other than because it's funny and to set up a joke and the outro later on.  Same thing with AFtA.
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« Reply #114 on: 06-22-2012 20:56 »
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Propelled through space so slowly that Fry and Leela were able to make two attempts over several seconds. Speed didn't play a factor.

As for gravity - One might think of it as being a case of Fry's weight on Earth working against Leela's weight on Mars, adding up to their combined weights worth of strain on their arms (which still wouldn't rip them right out of their sockets), but one would be wrong. You have to remember that Earth's gravity also acted on Leela, and Mars's on Fry. If you've taken physics, you would know that equal forces acting in opposite directions cancel each other out. Or if we want to get nitpicky, since the gravity on Mars is actually well less than half that of Earth, the gravitational force pulling her to the Earth should have been much greater than that attracting her to Mars. Of course, this is also ignoring the much much bigger hand-wave of the two planets not inevitably colliding from passing so close to each other, or Mars not causing a massive tide to flood NNY.
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« Reply #115 on: 06-22-2012 20:57 »

I just think it's silly that people are going on about realism when Mars passes so close to Earth at such a velocity that the kinetic energy release from their atmospheres colliding would be enough to sterilize both worlds.  No big deal, but the arm thing?  Now that's a crime against science.

There was no reason for Fry's arm to be cut off by Zoiberg either, other than because it's funny and to set up a joke and the outro later on.  Same thing with AFtA.

I think people should give the staff some credit.  They know that the fans appreciate both good humor and scientific accuracy besides which several of the writers and producers themselves value these things.  My guess is that these were set ups for something we will see in a future episode(s).  The writers are too good to be haphazard.  In fact, some are very anal retentive when it comes to these things.  In other words, they would have noticed it before anyone else.
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« Reply #116 on: 06-22-2012 22:45 »

Propelled through space so slowly that Fry and Leela were able to make two attempts over several seconds. Speed didn't play a factor.

As for gravity - One might think of it as being a case of Fry's weight on Earth working against Leela's weight on Mars, adding up to their combined weights worth of strain on their arms (which still wouldn't rip them right out of their sockets), but one would be wrong. You have to remember that Earth's gravity also acted on Leela, and Mars's on Fry. If you've taken physics, you would know that equal forces acting in opposite directions cancel each other out. Or if we want to get nitpicky, since the gravity on Mars is actually well less than half that of Earth, the gravitational force pulling her to the Earth should have been much greater than that attracting her to Mars. Of course, this is also ignoring the much much bigger hand-wave of the two planets not inevitably colliding from passing so close to each other, or Mars not causing a massive tide to flood NNY.

To be frank, the whole Mars thing just skimming Earth bothered me more than the arm thingy. However, can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but was Leela snagged on something? I know she couldn't jump because she had broken her leg, but was she otherwise rooted to the spot? It just strikes me that Fry had wrapped himself around the PE mast, and so wasn't likely to budge, but the forces involved were enough to rip both their arms clean off them, and yet not move Leela off her feet?
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« Reply #117 on: 06-22-2012 22:50 »
« Last Edit on: 06-22-2012 23:11 »

Yep smile
Even without Earth gravity pulling Leela towards Fry, her weight on Mars would have been just about 25 kg. A weight Fry could have easily lifted.
But -regarding comedy- the characters physical strength is often subject to extreme variations:
E.g. Leela could trip the couch in BBA, and Fry lift Bender with one arm in "Bird-Bot".
Then, when Leela lifted a sewer cover (LH or TMLH? Am not sure), a short grund was heard, rendering the strength level and effort again on "Average Joe" (or rather "Average Jane") level wink
Also, "300 Big Boys" featured extreme toughness: When Fry picked up Leela (or any other character), an impact at that speed would have shattered every bone in the involved persons body, killing them at an instant wink
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« Reply #118 on: 06-22-2012 22:56 »

I can't believe how far out of proportion some of you are making this mutilation thing out to be.  You are using "Why Must I Be A Crustacean in Love" as this shining beacon of realism or something, distorted by nostalgia.  Let's compare it to "A Farewell to Arms" shall we?

Neither of the mutilations in those eps serves any plot point.  All they do is set up a joke later on.  Fry doesn't receive painkillers until he has had plenty of time to go watch the Decapodians do their thing and walk back to the ship along the beach.  Apparently tying up your shirt sleeve in a knot will stop all blood loss eh?  In "Crustacean", Fry's arm was snipped and so the bone doesn't show but in "Farewell" it is ripped out of it's socket, so the bone shows.  If Futurama had been showing bones since the beginning, would you be making a fuss?  No.

Also, in "Crustacean" after re attaching Fry's arm to the wrong side (apparently with all of the working muscles and tendons so he can move it normally) he then proceeds to cut off Fry's legs and then presumably his head, albeit off-screen.  How is that any less 'cartoony'.  It is a cartoon for crying out loud!

Futurama has been lacking realism since its inception, and now this one thing suddenly gets you all in a tiff?  I guess you're gonna hate this new season then because they have said that it's the most limb-losing yet.
I'm not saying WMIBACIL was entirely realistic. But it was humorous, Futurama cartoon violence, that still managed to serve a point in the end by being used in at least 2 more jokes at the end by 1. The viewer thinking that Zoidberg had patched him up right, based on the camera work, and 2. Realizing at the cutaway that this was not the case at all, and Zoidberg is still a terrible doctor. This after his initial joke of how Zoidberg and him are friends and won't fight, but then persists to beat him with his arm anyway laff Brilliant.

It was natural. It wasn't jarring. That one joke was used on so many levels (I've got at least 5 total to count, including the masturbation reference and the childeren's medicine, a reference to Fry being childlike). The end of this episode, like Zmithy said, seemed to just be thrown in there. All for the purpose of the title. It's ridiculous. 

For me the big thing was that there was no reason for the arms to come off. At least Zoidberg's claws and his laser saw are both easily accepted as being capable of severing a limb. As are T-rex teeth and razor-sharp swords, and basically anything else that's dismembered Futurama characters before. Fry and Leela's arms just fell off like they were made of wet toilet paper.

EXACTLY. I was watching this episode and like, "Oh okay. I guess we're doing down this route again" except, in a much, angrier version of that.

Zmithy's idea was great. If they wanted to get shippy about it, they should have done it right. I would have liked Fry to save Leela but then maybe Leela like I don't know, somehow falls on him/injures him/whatever to tone down the sap a bit and bring in the humor again. I hadn't really thought about it, I just know what they did seems like a late night pitch in the writer's room when they just wanted to go home.
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« Reply #119 on: 06-22-2012 23:01 »

But -regarding comedy- the characters physical strength is often subject to extreme variations:
E.g. Leela could trip the couch in BBA, and Fry lift Bender with one arm in "Bird-Bot".

Especially since we know Bender weighs over 500 lbs!
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