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Gorky
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Trolling the shippers
To be fair, I don't think that's what they're doing here. And I don't think it was what they were doing in "In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela" (an episode that I actually don't hate). I think the writers have had a habit, in the new run, of allowing story to dictate characterization--when, of course, it should be the other way around--and this may just be another case of that. Obviously the writers would be wrong to pursue a story that does not seem to fit the characters, but that doesn't make their intent malicious. It just makes their final product seem a little sloppy, a little false. I mean, sure, it bugs me when the writers seem uninterested in remaining true to who the characters are--and, yeah, a lack of continuity and consistency when it comes to the portrayal of Fry and Leela's relationship is emblematic of their cavalier attitude--but still. I liked IAGDL on its own terms, despite the fact that I think it took liberties with Leela's characterization, and her relationship with Fry; in any event, though, I'm willing to give "Zapp Dingbat" the benefit of the doubt.
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Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #687 on: 05-28-2012 00:46 »
« Last Edit on: 05-28-2012 09:24 »
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My guess is that Leela will be desperately trying to "seduce" Zapp throughout the episode simply in order to get him away from Munda.
Signed. The "Despite of her hate for Zapp, Leela keeps on landing in bed with him" recurring theme already appeared a few times. If it supports a major joke/plotline in a good way...why not. I just would not want that theme to be used for "it's own sake" (Just having Leela land in bed with Zapp, and expecting this alone to be funny). Regarding the "Fry and Leela reading their fate together": The scene already contained a major mistake: None of them read the note aloud, so it's quite probable they read it with different speed (also...Fry started reading after Leela). So -as each reads specific events at a different time- their facial expressions would hardly be "synchronized".
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Inquisitor Hein
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Oh....HEEEELLL NOOO. I'm not letting Fry and Leela's relationship go off again.
Well..that scene would allow some "Leela having to chase after Fry for once scenario" (After some "I've had it with you" from Fry). And/or Fry beating up Zapp because of Leela. (Both are radical exceptions from the norm, but (subplots) that are kinda expected and considered "overdue". Due to their "unique nature", they should be reserved for a real good story, though. Some "We can only tell that joke ONCE, so that joke HAS to fit" attitude on the writers side...)
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Svip
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Yikes! ~ Matt Groening
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« Reply #694 on: 05-28-2012 09:31 »
« Last Edit on: 05-28-2012 09:33 »
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I'm really curious as to who Leela and Zapp are looking at. Possibly Munda, or maybe Fry or Bender.
Theoretically, it could be - Leela accidently bumping into Zapp, both falling down - Someone (maybe Fry, maybe even Munda sees them). - Leela giving the "It's not what it looks like" face. - Of course, no one will believe that. Some preview images are often deliberately misleading, and this could be one.
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« Reply #703 on: 05-28-2012 21:25 »
« Last Edit on: 05-28-2012 21:33 »
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Pretty lame.. why'd did they even bring the show back... to tell more interesting stories... or to become Matt's new cash machine since the Simpsons have hit the lowest ratings of all time.
This will be a make or break season; for the show and the shows fans.
Well...6A vs 6B was running plots vs running gags... - Should they keep on pursuing the 6A path in the next run, it will be a big "Horray" from me:) - Should they keep on pursuing the 6B path in the next run, it will be "I'm outta here" for me (Not to say that the early run didn't have some nearly unwatchable episodes, too, but enough goddies to compensate for it) Just get out.
We know barely anything about the episode yet, we've had a few fucking images. So STFU.
The images are used to create a certain impression and anticipation. Everyone is entitled his/her own opinion and expectations regarding season 7. So, if "I'm really looking forward to it" is generally accepted (and it IS accepted in this forum, as we can see), "This looks as if it's gonna suck big time" has of course to be accepted the same way. Both are based on the same "facts" (or rather lack of them).
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MuchAdo
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« Reply #704 on: 05-28-2012 21:31 »
« Last Edit on: 05-29-2012 05:13 »
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Thanks for the actual reply Inquisitor Hein - you said exactly what I thought. I don't care if it's just a Threes Company type mis-understanding... I'm sick of the Zapp and Leela relationship... I'm sick of her getting with him and not Fry... It's simply disgusting to see her on his jock again. Actually I am just so sick of the writers really losing sight of her character in some of the previous 26 eps.. Futurama really needs female writers again. It's really my main issue with the shows return... the status quo of Fry and Leela's LOVE being held in a werid rubber band like limbo. The images are used to create a certain impression and anticipation. Everyone is entitled his/her own opinion and expectations regarding season 7. So, if "I'm really looking forward to it" is generally accepted (and it IS accepted in this forum, as we can see), "This looks as if it's gonna suck big time" has of course to be accepted the same way. Both are based on the same "facts" (or rather lack of them).
You do know.. that this comment is far too sane, competent, coherent, and correct for these boards. (Not to say that the early run didn't have some nearly unwatchable episodes, too, but enough goddies to compensate for it) 100% fact. Say what you want about Matt G and The Simpsons.. I know David stills tries so hard.. I give him props.. maybe some of the new one's might suck... but you know... David always has a few GEMS for us. So what's wrong with not liking something based on one terrible image... Yo, Leela Leela looked and sounded terrible from what I knew and saw in advance... and it was. Transversely TLPJF sounded like the best damn episode in a long while.. and upon it airing.. it was awesome.. so, speculating seems pretty damn reasonable.
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Having an opinion is fine, I have no problem with that, and you wouldn't give a fuck if I did, but I don't see how you can bash an episode that hasn't even aired yet.
Half of 6B's episodes sounded pretty "meh" to me, but in the end, I only disliked (actually, HATED) one of them, Yo Leela Leela.
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MuchAdo, you have not encountered the evil that can come from this website. Expect a PM from me soon. the basic plot of Munda leaving Morris for Zapp bugs the shit out of me...
That hasn't been confirmed or officially mentioned, it's just been speculated by fans.
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MuchAdo
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« Reply #709 on: 05-28-2012 22:38 »
« Last Edit on: 05-28-2012 22:52 »
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Back on the topic of FUTURAMA: Does anyone feel that some of these fan art character designs should be used one day? http://io9.com/5911809/adorable-character-designs-for-futurama-the-next-generationI post these here b/c at very first... I thought they were real season seven designs. That hasn't been confirmed or officially mentioned, it's just been speculated by fans.
No, they actually mentioned it... you can go dig for yourself. I mean, yes... nobody actually has mentioned Morris at all... but I remember David or Eric saying Zapp dates Leela's mom in an interview. Danny... I tried to be civil... but now it's time... ignore-list activate!!! I suggest you do the same.
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« Reply #711 on: 05-28-2012 22:51 »
« Last Edit on: 05-29-2012 05:23 »
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Do not disturb the mods slumber, sometimes they delete things that previously made sense, causing other things to now not make any sense, you brought this on yourselves, this thread is back on track now! *glares*
Dear Mod, Thanks Yo. I just simply wanted to say; I'm sick of Zapp and Leela being an item for plot points this far in the series. If they really wanted to shock fans... Amy and Leela suddenly get hitched.. and it carries over into each new ep... now that'd be something nobody saw coming; and the fanboys can drool all day!
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Tachyon
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Because love conquers all obstacles?
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I went dumpster diving earlier, and even though someone beat me to the deleting, I won't tolerate this either. To whom it concerns: knock it off, or I am taking it up with the big guy (yes, the space pope is gonna hear about this!).
Why can't you be cautious on an episode that hasn't aired yet? I already showed concern over Decision 3012 or whatever the episode is because of the possible current refs that will be used. Is that so wrong? How many of us were legitimately concerned over YLL, and rightly so?
This website is about free speech, not harrassment. Attacking other members will not be tolerated.
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futurefreak
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Yeah, and doing it as a poor lobster and old man doesn't count! I'm an ex-shipper, I guess. Episodes like Parasites Lost really made me embrace the couple, but then things post-BBS made it...ehh...tedious. You have to decide when you write a show where you see the characters going. Do they hook up once, and then break things off, or pine away for years until finally making it official? The problem I have that it's half the former and half the latter. Before BBS, I was very comfortable with Fry trying to win Leela's affection and getting little nudges of approval here and then, but BBS changed the nature of the ship for me. To me, either Leela should reject Fry entirely, or accept him and his unrequited feelings for her. But even Fry's character has shifted - he's not nearly as dimwitted as his former self was (which can make sense, as people do mature over the years) - however, in the frame of the animated television show, characters remain "ageless" ie. the same age even though events in the future are taking place, like the election to come in Decision 3012. We do get to see slight callouts to this effect however, like in TLPJF where we see the characters older and aged, however for the current time canon of the series they essentially remain the same age as they had once Fry stepped out of the cryo tube. But regardless, the question then becomes then - should the characters show improvements within themselves as the series grows and adapts to new environments, or should the characters embrace some of their older personality traits that allowed us to love them in the first place? This probably isn't the right discussion for this (in fact I know it's not), but in discussing the ship in future episodes, I feel these are valid points up for discussion. Some of these posts may be moved around to their appropriate thread though (like the ship thread in the HR department). I don't know how we (and by we I mean I) tailspinned so much there at the end, so I apologize for that. But I agree that the writers should leave all the freaky love stuff where it belongs - fan art/fiction
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