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« Reply #80 on: 10-09-2011 22:10 »
« Last Edit on: 10-09-2011 22:16 »

I would really like an episode where they further explore the internet/gaming. Generally, the whole issue of virtual world vs. real world is one that I find very interesting, one that could become relevant in the future. We already saw very realistic games in Futurama where the player doesn't just look at a screen but actually enters a whole virtual environment. If people get addicted to computer games now, wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to get addicted to games that feel exactly like the real world? Once video games become so perfect that they don't just simulate reality but instead offer a whole second world, wouldn't it be possible that people lose touch with reality and would prefer living in the game world alltogether?

Questions like "what makes reality real" or "is a virtual world that is perceived to be real inferior to the real world" are among my favourite philosophical issues and I really think that with all the imminent technical progression, they will surely come up - very likely even in my lifetime, but definitely in 1000 years. I think an episode like that (where Fry loses touch with reality and refuses to leave his virtual world) could be extremely successful.

Edit: I dated a robot had a comparable segment. I wasn't really happy with that one though. Why should a custom-made gf/bf lead to people throwing their lifes away? We (sometimes) have real partners, you know, and that never caused me or anyone I know to ignore all other aspects of my life. Wouldn't it be much more credible to ignore your actual life if you were given the possibility to create your own world which felt just like real one?
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« Reply #81 on: 10-09-2011 22:25 »

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But..in the long run...they settled for the "Besides, you do not really
have the size thighs for a mini skirt" kind of dialog...

Fixed. big grin

I always think of the "Leela, you could really use a facial scrub, for your pores" and then she blows her away haha.

Yeah I guess there could be more to their relationship if Professor was seen bonding with Zoidberg...I don't know. They've worked together so long that pretty much they all kinda have to get along for the sake of being there. I just think it's interesting how full circle the series has become. Now if they did an episode with Hermes and Zoidberg as bffs...quite interesting indeed.

So I asked Eric Rogers what would he think would make a good 200th episode plot, he said:

@DannyJC13 ha I don't know if we'll get there! But I'd love a story where fry returns to 2000, and brings everyone from future back w/him.
Ooo, I'd like to see that big grin
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« Reply #82 on: 10-09-2011 23:13 »

Hermes has always pretty unambiguously hated Zoidberg, though. I think that pairing's a little more two-dimensional than Leela/Amy.

AM, yeah, that's a good thought. I think the videogame sequence in Biclops is one of the best scenes in the whole series. Scenes from the Holoshed in the Nimbus have also been really excellent and thought-provoking at times. In that situation, they are able to create whole other realities - "your own world", as you stated. It would be cool to have another episode about the Holoshed in which some character becomes obsessed, sort of like how Bender became obsessed with the fantasy world in Bender's Game except a lot better.
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« Reply #83 on: 10-10-2011 07:22 »

In the beginning (for a few episodes) I think Hermes was indifferent to Zoidberg. I'm not sure at what point he started hating Zoidberg, I'd have to look into it. But it is true that they were never really friends.
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« Reply #84 on: 10-10-2011 08:12 »

Ooh! Ooh! How about an episode where the crew fights mongooses? Mongooses are cool!
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« Reply #85 on: 10-10-2011 14:21 »

I prefer Otters if I am honest.  Or Weasels.
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« Reply #86 on: 10-10-2011 14:43 »

I like mongooses because they sometimes kill and eat snakes.
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« Reply #87 on: 10-10-2011 17:29 »

"Or "The Mongooses". That's a cool team name. The Fighting Mongooses!"
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« Reply #88 on: 10-11-2011 00:38 »

A mongoose fight would be more interesting than an otter fight, I think. Iunno, I'm pretty sure the crew can take on otters.
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« Reply #89 on: 10-11-2011 06:11 »

To all you people who don't think Otters are awesome, have you not seen South Park's "Go God Go" episodes?
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« Reply #90 on: 10-11-2011 07:33 »

So in light of recent news, do you all still hate Attack of the Killer App so much?

...don't all of you raise your hands at once, now.

I never hated the episode. Except that goat and boil did keep it from being outstanding.
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« Reply #91 on: 10-11-2011 11:38 »
« Last Edit on: 10-11-2011 11:41 »

Well..the goat and boil showed what kind of humor suceeds as internet phenomen (a Shakespeare dialog hardly becoming a youtube hit) , so they were not really unfitting/out of place...
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« Reply #92 on: 10-11-2011 13:18 »

So in light of recent news, do you all still hate Attack of the Killer App so much?

...don't all of you raise your hands at once, now.

I never hated the episode. Except that goat and boil did keep it from being outstanding.

I agree, it could have been a pretty good episode. I loved the scene with the third world planet, "good news, nobodys!", the whole recycling scene and the brain mosquito ("this guy sure loves porno!"). It was enjoyable other than that, too, even if AotKA will seem dated in ten years when facebook will have taken over Apple and Mark Zuckerberg will be the supreme overlord of earth.

Needless to say, whoever thought of the boil joke and had it included should be fired. From a cannon. Into the sun. Once he got home from the Senate.
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« Reply #93 on: 10-11-2011 14:37 »

So in light of recent news, do you all still hate Attack of the Killer App so much?

...don't all of you raise your hands at once, now.

I never hated the episode. Except that goat and boil did keep it from being outstanding.

Yes. My problems with the episode stemmed from the poor writing and story structure - not the humour. I think it's one of the less funny episodes out there, but it still has plenty of jokes I love (What's happening to me? Is it puberty?!).
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« Reply #94 on: 10-11-2011 16:24 »
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A mongoose fight would be more interesting than an otter fight, I think. Iunno, I'm pretty sure the crew can take on otters.

Depends really.  There have been reports of mother otters killing hunting dogs for trying to attack their babies.  

I think AOTKA had an interesting start, a great premise, and some wonderful ideas like the EyePhones.  Unfortunately it just got bogged down in a lame conclusion, inane concepts, repulsive gross out humor and too many frat boy jokes like the vomiting poo goat and the Susan Boil reference.  It had an interesting, quirky start, but unfortunately about a third of the way in it felt like they handed over writing duties to some college jocks and their thirteen year old brothers.  

I don't mind topical humour, it's something Futurama does well, since they usually apply it to Futurama in some unique sci fi sort of way.  Global warming is caused by robot exhaust fumes, inane soap operas with overpriviliged and undertalented stars are done with robots, the greed of fast food chains and utter disregard for anything except profit margins are done with TPWP.   Attack of the Killer App had a great potential to be a classic episode (because lets face it, despite being an applefag myself, they are due some sporking)

For those of you saying that a lot of the jokes in AotkA were too topical you do have a point, but that's because they were handled without much subtlety like Susan Boil.  The rest like infosquitos and the iphones literally being jammed into someone's eye were classic Futurama.   Say what you will about Facebook, social networking has changed the way most of the developed world has behaved, and it has seeped into our everyday lives.  Futurama already made a jab at the internet in Biciclops and I dated a robot (kidnappster anyone?).  It has and still does ahve so much potential for storytelling.  It felt too... nowish.  I suppose.  i want to see how social networking will look in a thousand years time, rather then being pretty much the same as they are now.  They had so much potential for jokes, like Facebook 3010 being legally able to sell your retina scans to companies.  Or that when you sign up to it, the fine print says that your DNA and those of your next three direct descendants are now legal property of Facebook.

So in short AotkA = great idea, horrible execution.   Proposition Infinity was an equally topical episode but it felt much more Futuramay to me.  They went with a premise they had actually established since the start of the series (robosexuality being to the future what homosexuality is today), and yes some of the parts were less the subtle (much as I love the spoof of the awful Gathering Storm advert, it could have been much better), but there were plenty of genuine humour, sci fi jokes and general Futurama -ishness to keep the message from being too preachy.  (If you thought this episode was preachy, go watch one of Family Guy's "gay" episodes, t hey manage to be preachy as they completely undermine everything they are trying to say.)
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« Reply #95 on: 10-11-2011 16:36 »

I think 'Attack of the Killer App' is a good premise executed horribly whereas 'Proposition Infinity' is a horrible premise executed quite well.
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« Reply #96 on: 10-11-2011 16:51 »

I think 'Attack of the Killer App' is a good premise executed horribly whereas 'Proposition Infinity' is a horrible premise executed quite well.

I'll sign that. Proposition Infinty could have been awful but fortunately turned out okay. Still, a lot of that episode did annoy me because of being overly current and also because of a preachy attitude. Why does Futurama feel the urge to reference the "Gathering Storm" ad? Yes, that was a ridiculous ad and a ridiculous advert is a ridiculous thing to make fun of in a show set in the future. But what upset me more is their explanation for Farnsworth' anger at "robosexuality". How wonderful that the Futurama writers share their wisdom with us: When somebody is opposed to gay marriage, it's due to them being rejected closet gays ! It all makes sense now. The same goes for the robot reverend being a closet gay... ugh.

The only Family Guy episode I remember that dealt directly with this issue (the one with Brian's gay cousin) handled this in a much better way and it didn't seem preachy to me at all. But except for its terrible premise, Proposition Infinity is actually a decent episode.
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« Reply #97 on: 10-11-2011 18:45 »

That 'Family Guy' episode sticks out in my mind as being the first time when I thought "Wow, Family Guy has gotten kinda preachy".
I mean, I liked it, but if anything I found it preachier than "Proposition Infinity".
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« Reply #98 on: 10-11-2011 21:35 »

Really? I guess what I liked about the Family Guy episode is that they took one of the sanest characters (Louis) and had her be the one that was opposed to gay marriage. In Proposition Infinity, we had a rejected bitter old man filling out that role.
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« Reply #99 on: 10-11-2011 23:26 »

Really? I guess what I liked about the Family Guy episode is that they took one of the sanest characters (Louis) and had her be the one that was opposed to gay marriage. In Proposition Infinity, we had a rejected bitter old man filling out that role.

Who's Louis?
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« Reply #100 on: 10-12-2011 02:27 »

I think 'Attack of the Killer App' is a good premise executed horribly whereas 'Proposition Infinity' is a horrible premise executed quite well.


The only Family Guy episode I remember that dealt directly with this issue (the one with Brian's gay cousin) handled this in a much better way and it didn't seem preachy to me at all. But except for its terrible premise, Proposition Infinity is actually a decent episode.

Wait... what?  You mean the episode where Brian took the mayor hostage at gunpoint, saying that the ends justifies the means, and that it's violence is a suitable response to this?  Plus the deleted scene showd that Brian's cousin's fiancee had no idea he was going to get married either, and suggests that the cousin trapped him into it, or their relationship involves no communication whatsoever.

That's the other thing that bothers me about Family Guy.  It constantly tries to preach tolerance for homosexuality, when every gay character on their show is at best an annoying stereotype who will are all highly promiscuous.  And that's at best.  The rest of the time their gay characters are selfish, horrible people.  Oh and let's not forget their most prominent gay character is a pedophile.

After cringing at Seth McFarlane's "gay episodes" Proposition Infinity was a breath of fresh air.  Yeah it wasn't perfect, but I enjoyed it a lot more then I thought it would.  Plus it had some of my favorite lines in S6:
'I love Amy.  I've finally found someone I want to spend the rest of her life with."
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« Reply #101 on: 10-12-2011 03:15 »

I think 'Attack of the Killer App' is a good premise executed horribly whereas 'Proposition Infinity' is a horrible premise executed quite well.


The only Family Guy episode I remember that dealt directly with this issue (the one with Brian's gay cousin) handled this in a much better way and it didn't seem preachy to me at all. But except for its terrible premise, Proposition Infinity is actually a decent episode.

Wait... what?  You mean the episode where Brian took the mayor hostage at gunpoint, saying that the ends justifies the means, and that it's violence is a suitable response to this?  Plus the deleted scene showd that Brian's cousin's fiancee had no idea he was going to get married either, and suggests that the cousin trapped him into it, or their relationship involves no communication whatsoever.

That's the other thing that bothers me about Family Guy.  It constantly tries to preach tolerance for homosexuality, when every gay character on their show is at best an annoying stereotype who will are all highly promiscuous.  And that's at best.  The rest of the time their gay characters are selfish, horrible people.  Oh and let's not forget their most prominent gay character is a pedophile.

After cringing at Seth McFarlane's "gay episodes" Proposition Infinity was a breath of fresh air.  Yeah it wasn't perfect, but I enjoyed it a lot more then I thought it would.  Plus it had some of my favorite lines in S6:
'I love Amy.  I've finally found someone I want to spend the rest of her life with."

Bruce is my favourite character; he's gay and he's not portrayed as promiscuous or horrible or anything. The fact that he's gay never really comes into play, in fact.
And Stewie is pretty much a gay character these days, and he's hardly portrayed as promiscuous - he's only a child, but still.
And to be fair, it's not like many 'Family Guy' characters are particularly nice people. Peter and Lois are certainly horrible people that I wouldn't want to know in real life.
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« Reply #102 on: 10-12-2011 06:50 »

Really? I guess what I liked about the Family Guy episode is that they took one of the sanest characters (Louis) and had her be the one that was opposed to gay marriage. In Proposition Infinity, we had a rejected bitter old man filling out that role.

Who's Louis?

Lois?
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« Reply #103 on: 10-12-2011 07:34 »

Steering back to Futurama...

I don't know, I didn't find Proposition Infinity to be too preachy. I just thoroughly enjoyed it. What do you all think of Crimes of the Hot, The Problem with Popplers, and The Birdbot of Icecatraz? Those all deal with some tough issues. Too preachy or not at all?
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« Reply #104 on: 10-12-2011 13:05 »


Wait... what?  You mean the episode where Brian took the mayor hostage at gunpoint, saying that the ends justifies the means, and that it's violence is a suitable response to this?  Plus the deleted scene showd that Brian's cousin's fiancee had no idea he was going to get married either, and suggests that the cousin trapped him into it, or their relationship involves no communication whatsoever.

Yes, I mean that episode. You recalled the story correctly, but if you think that the message of the plot was "taking your local mayor hostage in order to enforce gay rights is a good idea", than you and me think very different. However, I don't want to cause even more OT, maybe I'll write a post in the TV thread later on.

And to all thos (yes, I wrote: "thos") who made fun of my spelling error: I'm an alien (to Americans anyone who isn't a US national is an "alien", right?), it's a miracle I can even speak English!

 
Steering back to Futurama...

I don't know, I didn't find Proposition Infinity to be too preachy. I just thoroughly enjoyed it. What do you all think of Crimes of the Hot, The Problem with Popplers, and The Birdbot of Icecatraz? Those all deal with some tough issues. Too preachy or not at all?


Crimes of the Hot, The Problem with Popplers and the Birdbot of Icecatraz all didn't strike me as particularly preachy (the only classic Futurama episode that did is "I Dated a Robot"). I think that's mainly because the hot-button issue they sort of dealt with were merely an excuse for ultimately writing a sci-fi story that didn't seem to express an opinion. That's what was different about Prop. Infinity. Bender and Amy aren't an obvious match at all. Amy leaving Kif was an unrealistic and forced event, only so that they could bring Amy and Bender together, so that they could make their story about "robosexuality". It's weird that others thought it wasn't preachy. I thought this was so blatantly obvious that I could be watching a South Park episode (new OT potential! hooooray!). The writers personally attack all characters that oppose "robosexuality". The priest is a hypocrite who secretly enjoys it, Farnsworth is pissed off about being rejected before. Sorry I bring this up again, but what I liked about the Family Guy episode is that you had an average Joe kind of character opposing gay marriage without being demonized or ridiculed by the writers.

Thinking about it, A Clockwork Origin is also preachy at times about Intelligent Design. It again does something I don't like: Trying to argue against a certain point of view by attacking the people who hold that view instead of the issue itself ("I don't understand evolution and I want to protect my kids from understanding it"). That's something I hate about South Park. They insert their personal view into their "common sense" kind of characters and insert the opposing view to flawed characters. I really don't want Futurama doing that.
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« Reply #105 on: 10-12-2011 13:20 »

Too preachy or not at all?


Crimes of the hot could come across as too preachy but I saw it as simply a reflection of opinions in the real world, used to make a funny episode.

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« Reply #106 on: 10-12-2011 15:01 »
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I actually didn't think A Clockwork Origin was that preachy to me... it showed the idea that the concept of evolution does not disprove the existence of God, and that God could have easily set evolution in motion, by chance rather then actual intelligent design.  But then again Dr Banjo is a pretty annoying character and did deserve a punch.  I guess it's hard not to use lines like "I don't understand evolution and i dont want my kids to understand it".... when those lines are actually being said in real life by those people, without any actual irony.

Ambitious what I did think about that episode is that it shows the extreme, confrontational stance on gay marriage which many gay people view with disgust, and when you add in taking the mayor hostage, it just ends on a sour note.  I was thinking of Bruce when I said that gay characters on the show are complete stereotypes at best.  BRuce's entire humor hinges on that he says everything on a highly exxaggerated "camp tone.  Stewie may be a baby, but let's face it, he's a libido on legs.  If it's male and reasonably attractive he will try and hit on it.  

I do agree with you on your stance that not many people in the Family guy verse are nice.  Peter and Lois are horrible people and I would not want to meet them in real life.  But the problem is they are not doing entire episodes saying "Tolerance for people like Peter and Lois".  Whenever they do a gay episode, their "message" gets broken because nearly all of the gay characters they will use in that episode are often horrible people who are completely undeserving of compassion.  The writers just can't have it both ways.

Though on another note, I think Amy and Leela are pretty good friends.  I'm watching Kif gets Knocked up a Notch, and Leela was the one who took Amy out for a "farewell to freedom" drinky poo, and was the one who tried to cheer her up.  Plus Leela's present to Amy and Kif was the basket she was abandoned in.  Guilt or not about knocking up your friends's spouse by accident, that is a very significant gift to someone.
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« Reply #107 on: 10-12-2011 19:16 »

I didn't think it was preachy because it sowed us that people are sometimes very stupid in America!
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« Reply #108 on: 10-12-2011 23:06 »
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I didn't think it was preachy because it sowed us that people are sometimes very stupid in America!
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« Reply #109 on: 10-13-2011 00:20 »

Is that winna? Anyways, I don't think anything Futurama's done has come off as preachy with the possible exception of Clockwork Origin? But I am guessing the vast majority of Futurama fans accept evolution so it is a preaching-to-the-choir type of preachy, which is a lot more forgivable than certain other kinds of preachiness. I don't watch Family Guy but from what people are saying (though of course people here are biased) Futurama handles topics better than they do.
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« Reply #110 on: 10-13-2011 03:10 »

Family Guy pisses off as many homosexuals and atheists as it does conservatives by being so smug, preachy and confrontational in its episodes that have a "moral". 
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« Reply #111 on: 10-13-2011 08:17 »

All this talk of A Clockwork Origin made me think of Godfellas...some might consider that a little preachy, yes? Not me though, I don't consider any of the ones I mentioned like that. TBH I haven't seen Prop Infinity in probably a good 6 or so months. When I start to think of the campaigning and tv commercial ad on it, it seems very one sided...but I did still enjoy it.

It seems like any episode with a Free Waterfall has a "moral" to it...like ATaste of Freedom in addition to the ones previously mentioned.

What...you all didn't think That Darn Katz! was too preachy about...the exploitive cuteness of cats? tongue
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« Reply #112 on: 10-13-2011 13:15 »

I thought the cat aliens were handled quite well.  People who love cats (like me) enjoyed the cutie wutie fuzzy wuzzy planet destroying human race extinctioning widdle itty bitty merciless alien invaders yes, yes you are!

And people who loathe cats probably sympaphized with Amy and her allergy, which meant she was unable to comprehend why people were going so ooey gooey over something that is making her lungs come out her nose.   Oh and cats being evil. 
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« Reply #113 on: 10-13-2011 13:38 »

Godfellas isn't preachy. It's rather brilliant, I think. I am kind of indifferent about cats and I liked Darn Katz, I thought the cat aliens were clever.
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« Reply #114 on: 10-13-2011 13:49 »

I think Godfellas is a great episode.  I certainly like it a lot better then "Not All Dogs go to Heaven" or whatever.  Way to make all atheists look like self righteous, smug douchebags, Brian. Another good example would be the one with Lisa and the angel fossil.  It showed both sides of the debate, had Lisa being an insufferable not-holier-then thou brat, and the angelists turning into a frenzied mob.  But it ended on a really touching note, and Lisa Learned a Lesson, even if no one else did.

"does the Bart dance" Lisa learned a lesson!  Lisa learned a lesson!  Lisa learned a lesson!
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« Reply #115 on: 10-13-2011 16:43 »
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Way to make all atheists look like self righteous, smug douchebags, Brian.

Unfortunately, most of them are. Most people with a religious belief are unbelievable douchelords about it, and atheists (as much as they like to claim otherwise) have taken a stance on religion and as such hold a religious belief. Therefore it's only logical when you think about it that the percentage of atheists who are giant cuntnuggets is roughly similar to the percentage of Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Jainist, Buddhist, Taoist, Scientologist, or even Pastafarian fucknozzles out there.

Roughly 95% (and I'm basing this on experience of church and mosquegoers near to me, rather than pulling it entirely out of my ass) of the "faithful" are egregiously arrogant, rambunctiously vehemenent shitflinging pimples on the arse of humanity. This being a representative cross-section of the population, it can be logically extrapolated that any of the groups I have named will also contain a 95% concentration of monkeybrained fartmunchers.

I can also state from experience that I've met representatives of that 95% from each of the religions I've named there. Met them in person, known them well enough to be fully aware of their vile and unspeakable jizzstainery to not be able to have any hope they'll ever be worthwhile individuals.

So it's actually sorta pleasing to see that at least one group of people know exactly how much of a set of complete and utter diseased, dripping, stinking twats anybody with any sort of religious or antireligious views are, on average.

That 5% of humanity that aren't complete aresemonsters about what they believe, now they're the reason I'd be slightly uncomfortable with the thought of destroying the Earth one day out of sheer boredom. Note that I'm not saying all of any religious or antireligious group are gigantic turd-flavoured fucktards. Just the majority. It's up to you to be in that minority. You as in everybody. If you want to talk to people about your stance on religion, be in that 5% or you might as well not have bothered.

Hm. This could probably do with being linked to from the religiosity thread.
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« Reply #116 on: 10-13-2011 17:15 »
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I think the % of "fucknuggets" as you call them (I'm'a call 'em FNs from now on) among pastafarians is actually much higher. Pastafarian is basically the radical fringe of athieism, and the radical fringe is always attractive to FNs.
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« Reply #117 on: 10-13-2011 17:59 »

>Some people are attracted to FN's.

My twisted mind keeps thinking of some sex act everytime I think of your concept.
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« Reply #118 on: 10-13-2011 20:45 »

I just bought loads of nuggets from Sainsbury's.

I just can't WAIT to put them in my mouth.
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« Reply #119 on: 10-13-2011 23:16 »

Sometimes I think I just read tnuk's posts for his wonderfully creative insults.
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