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Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #40 on: 10-04-2011 22:55 »

Fry slowly maturing into Lars and eventually finding somebody who appreciates him more than Leela does would be nice.
Or changing the writing on Leela in a way that getting her is rather a reward than a punishment for Fry... big grin
spira

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« Reply #41 on: 10-05-2011 00:20 »

Well, yeah, removing some of the weird developments they've given Leela's character especially in season 6B would be nice. I liked her a lot more in the original series, heh.
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« Reply #42 on: 10-05-2011 02:05 »
« Last Edit on: 10-05-2011 02:08 »

I would like an episode where Fry is the object of desire for once.  Maybe Leela dumps him for some silly trivial reason, so Fry takes the oppertunity to better himself, and for once Leela appreciates that she's hurt Fry's feelings one time to many, and she needs to stop taking him for granted.    So maybe Fry banks on his creativity and starts to get better at playing the holophoner, and maybe works out a bit too.  

So we could have a regretful Leela trying to pursue a confident, more attractive Fry, who is really hesitant to take her back for once, but takes her back after she's finally shown she's going to stop being yes, no maybe with him all the time, and she's sorry for letting him down again.  We've seen that Fry deserves Leela's love, but it would be nice to see an episode where it's shown that she deserves him too, since a lot of the time it seems that she doesn't deserve him at all.  They're meant to be, but Leela really needs to stop taking him for granted.  I know if I was Fry's friend in real life, I would dislike Leela a lot and think of her as a flighty bitch who needs to stop stringing my friend along.  (And let's face it, all of us have either been in Fry's position once, or have had a friend in his.)
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« Reply #43 on: 10-05-2011 04:36 »

I'd really like that as an episode except for how things like Fry being hesitant to take her back wouldn't really work with the ending of Overclockwise (seeing as he knows the outcome of everything regarding those two already).
spira

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« Reply #44 on: 10-05-2011 06:25 »

Regardless of Overclockwise, it would be nice to get a reversal of the roles in there. Not only would it make Leela's character a bit more, well, liked by the general public, but it would offer a fresh take on their relationship, which is always welcome.
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« Reply #45 on: 10-05-2011 06:52 »

I would like an episode where Fry is the object of desire for once...

Hmmm, might you possibly be a shipper?  wink

Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #46 on: 10-05-2011 10:46 »
« Last Edit on: 10-05-2011 10:53 »

The closest they have come to "Leela chasing after Fry" was imhO "Prisoner of Benda".
Leela's bitching about him caring only for her body  had some underlying nervousness/fear, wether he might see in her just the only available 36-24-36 female, immediatelly to be dumped as soon as a 37-24-36 version becomes available.

"Overclockwise" ending would have been an opportunity to show Leela nervous wether Fry would really want her back after just wandering off. It seemed a little odd to me to see Fry acting as if he's the one with the bad conscience.

Well...if they decide to make a (sub)plot with Leela messing up badly and chasing after Fry to make it up...I want to see her getting that "Overclockwise"  slap from Fry in that Episode big grin
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« Reply #47 on: 10-05-2011 11:06 »
« Last Edit on: 10-05-2011 11:09 »

Well...if they decide to make a (sub)plot with Leela messing up badly and chasing after Fry to make it up...I want to see her getting that "Overclockwise"  slap from Fry in that Episode big grin

Problem is, Fry's slap is chronologically earlier. So his blunder is supposed to be the earlier one. I really think the ending of Overclockwise, "sweet" as it may be, got the writers into a whole lot of trouble. For example, a plot where Fry feels his life is falling apart and Leela is drifting away from him, like The Why of Fry. No can do, he knows that he'll eventually get her. Perhaps a plot where Fry falls in love with some other girl and wonders if she, not Leela, is the one that is right for him. No can do, the writers and fate set you up with Leela. Whatever Fry and Leela do, concerning their relationship, they know the outcome several miles ahead, which is something that will have to be considered in the writing process but probably won't...

Edit: The writers made a huge mistake by not blanking out their memories after having read the note or by only showing the audience somehow that Fry and Leela are hooked up for good. Them knowing their future... the more I think about it, the angrier I get. The only way for the writers to deal with this is to do something they've proven themselves good at... ignore what happened before and march ahead.
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« Reply #48 on: 10-05-2011 13:10 »
« Last Edit on: 10-05-2011 13:15 »

I would like an episode where Fry is the object of desire for once...

J

Hmmm, might you possibly be a shipper?  wink



Just for the Legend of Zelda. LINK AND PRINCESS RUTO BELONG TOGETHER.  And possibly Adventure Time.   Marshall Lee and Prince Gumball is just too hawt.  (I prefer Fry and Amy anyway.)

Yeah I have to agree with that Ambitious.  But I'm sure they could work around it.  The "Ultimate Destiny" thing could turn out to be what makes Leela get so complacent.  After all Bender did say a bunch of things like "The jury will convict, I can't change that."    Sure they were going to convict, but Bender worked out a loophole (he got the judge to aquitt, even though the jury had voted guilty).  Or he could just say that the predictions he made could be changed.  I agree they wrote themselves into a corner, but there are loopholes.

But yeah it would just be nice to have Fry better himself a bit, and make Leela appreciate him.  And Fry working out a bit? Rawr.  Yes please.

That is true Inquisitor, but it wasn't so much her appreciating him, as it was her being needy, neurotic and hypocritical/demanding.  They were just parodying the joke that "girlfriends are never happy and can never be pleased, ever."   A better example would be The Sting or TLPJF where Leela genuinely appreciates how much she cares about Fry.
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« Reply #49 on: 10-05-2011 17:18 »

I'm asking for the removal of Hermes's character, he's just boring and useless. I hope he will be killed in the next season. Then his son could leave and take Cubert with him.   flirt

Why such the hate on Hermes? He may not be silly and goofy like Zoidberg, but he's still great for a laugh with his well-timed "Sweet <fill_in_the_blank> of <fill_in_the_blank>!" exclamations, as well as his manwich and various marijuana jokes.

Yeah, I gotta love an anal retentive bureaucrat who's also a pothead. You would think weed would make him less AR, but, nope. That's part of the humor for me.

Regarding the remarks about eps focusing on Amy and Leela's "friendship." *Buzzer!* Nope, not for me. Amy is mainly catty and passive-aggressive towards Leela, and that really makes me dislike her. Why can't a female friendship be portrayed with more love, like between Bender and Fry? Yeah, and I know they've had their differences throughout, but still--theirs is a bro-mance.

I guess I've had had enough cattiness from female acquaintances and random rivalry from female "friends" to be really turned off by Amy.
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« Reply #50 on: 10-05-2011 21:45 »


Why can't a female friendship be portrayed with more love,,,

You think it's possible that there might be some heretofore barely expressed connection between Amy and Leela? That perhaps might have been the basis of the passionate scene with Leegola and Gynecaladriel?

Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #51 on: 10-05-2011 23:23 »
« Last Edit on: 10-05-2011 23:25 »

Well, I think Leela's and Amy's friendship is mostly due to the fact that they are the only two women around, and therefore each others ONLY available option for "girly talk" or "gender allies".
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« Reply #52 on: 10-05-2011 23:47 »

Well Sparky, Amy can be rather catty to Leela from time to time, but she's never tried to murder Leela for profit/spite/her own amusement.   Or stolen money from her.  Or humiliated her in front of a love interest. Or tried to her steal bodily fluids with a syringe.
spira

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« Reply #53 on: 10-06-2011 01:50 »

She can be catty, sure, but I feel like their relationship is deeper than that. It's just we've never seen it, or we've only seen little glimpses of a truer friendship (like in Kif Gets Knocked Up a Notch) that could be explained by something along the lines of "they're just each other's only resources for girl stuff" or it could be a symptom of some actual love for each other. I think the latter is the case, and I want to see that developed.
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« Reply #54 on: 10-06-2011 03:04 »

Well...if they decide to make a (sub)plot with Leela messing up badly and chasing after Fry to make it up...I want to see her getting that "Overclockwise"  slap from Fry in that Episode big grin

Problem is, Fry's slap is chronologically earlier. So his blunder is supposed to be the earlier one. I really think the ending of Overclockwise, "sweet" as it may be, got the writers into a whole lot of trouble. For example, a plot where Fry feels his life is falling apart and Leela is drifting away from him, like The Why of Fry. No can do, he knows that he'll eventually get her. Perhaps a plot where Fry falls in love with some other girl and wonders if she, not Leela, is the one that is right for him. No can do, the writers and fate set you up with Leela. Whatever Fry and Leela do, concerning their relationship, they know the outcome several miles ahead, which is something that will have to be considered in the writing process but probably won't...

Edit: The writers made a huge mistake by not blanking out their memories after having read the note or by only showing the audience somehow that Fry and Leela are hooked up for good. Them knowing their future... the more I think about it, the angrier I get. The only way for the writers to deal with this is to do something they've proven themselves good at... ignore what happened before and march ahead.
Consider this: the fact that they know their future together is probably enough to change it entirely. Also, it is possible that Bender made the whole thing up as well.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #55 on: 10-06-2011 05:20 »

Well Sparky, Amy can be rather catty to Leela from time to time, but she's never tried to murder Leela for profit/spite/her own amusement.   Or stolen money from her.  Or humiliated her in front of a love interest. Or tried to her steal bodily fluids with a syringe.

I think Bender's character is so outlandish and immoral that viewers readily accept this behavior towards Fry. At least I do...that's just the nature of Bender. But what's more, there have been numerous displays of how much they care for each other. Like, Bender being irrationally threatened by Seymour, but then after realizing how much he meant to Fry, Bender risking his life to save Seymour's remains.

Eh, that may not be the best example, but it's late.

Likewise, there are masterpieces such as 'No Country for Old Men' that only really 'unlock' themselves on repeat viewings.

The movie is great, but the book is excellent. Check it out if you haven't. Cormac is my favorite writer.

Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #56 on: 10-06-2011 08:14 »
« Last Edit on: 10-06-2011 08:16 »

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I think Bender's character is so outlandish and immoral that viewers readily accept this behavior towards Fry.
Besides, men friendships are much rougher than women's.
"Hi, you old fart" clearly states "This is my friend"
A "Damned, you bloody, stupid bastard.." means "This is one of my best friends, and he just did something amazingly awesome". (Usually accompanied by a gentle punch against the shoulder...gentle in this context means that he remains upright and is not pushed back more than one foot).
Among buddies, this states "friend".
But now try to use that behaviour on one of your female friends, and see what happens wink
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« Reply #57 on: 10-06-2011 15:05 »

Agreed, Inquisitor. The way men behave towards each other is so different than how women do so; though, some women I've known would affectionately call each other "ho," "slut," "skank," etc.

I just don't see any depth of feeling between Leela and Amy; it's just never been developed. I'd be surprised if an episode did feature a Leela-Amy pairing, with their friendship being the center of the plot, but I suppose I wouldn't mind. It could be a fresh story.
spira

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« Reply #58 on: 10-07-2011 01:09 »

[...] it's just never been developed. [...] It could be a fresh story.

That's definitely how I feel. Sure, such an ep would have the potential to suck. But there wasn't much depth of emotion between Hermes and Bender before LI, and that was one of the more successful episodes of Season 6.
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« Reply #59 on: 10-07-2011 22:21 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2011 22:23 »

Or Amy and Nibbler.  Or Zoidy and the Professor.  I quite like the random pairings, they usually mean for good character development and shake up the character dynamics.   And Amy and Leela is unusual enough to feel like a random pairing, but not completely implausible or forced.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #60 on: 10-08-2011 10:24 »
« Last Edit on: 10-08-2011 12:26 »

Or Amy and Nibbler.  Or Zoidy and the Professor.  I quite like the random pairings, they usually mean for good character development and shake up the character dynamics.   And Amy and Leela is unusual enough to feel like a random pairing, but not completely implausible or forced.
I considered the Amy/Nibbler pairing quite well chosen, looking natural and story defined/driven. It seemed to me the writers chose the plot about enemies decieving everyone with their cuteness first. Then, the character choice of Nibbler and Amy (who often goes for the "cute-litte-thing-no-one-takes-too-serious) was rather obvious.

Having started this episode with the mere thought "Hm..let's write one about Amy and Nibbler. Anyone got any ideas?" might have backfired...

(But -again- this might also be an overinterpretation on my part)
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #61 on: 10-08-2011 15:36 »

Or Amy and Nibbler.  Or Zoidy and the Professor.  I quite like the random pairings, they usually mean for good character development and shake up the character dynamics.   And Amy and Leela is unusual enough to feel like a random pairing, but not completely implausible or forced.
I considered the Amy/Nibbler pairing quite well chosen, looking natural and story defined/driven. It seemed to me the writers chose the plot about enemies decieving everyone with their cuteness first. Then, the character choice of Nibbler and Amy (who often goes for the "cute-litte-thing-no-one-takes-too-serious) was rather obvious.

Having started this episode with the mere thought "Hm..let's write one about Amy and Nibbler. Anyone got any ideas?" might have backfired...

(But -again- this might also be an overinterpretation on my part)

That does make sense, but that that would be like putting Hatty and Petunia together because they are both old ladies.  What you say does make sense but Nibbler and Amy have never really spoken to eachother or really interacted before this episode.   Besides, Amy is the Cutie of the main cast, but her cuteness is Sexy Cute.  Nibbler is just regular cute.

Well I'm sure some of Freako's "friends" probably beg to differ but let's not get into that.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #62 on: 10-08-2011 18:55 »
« Last Edit on: 10-08-2011 22:14 »

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but that that would be like putting Hatty and Petunia together because they are both old ladies.
Well, reading my post, I found out I wasn't too clear on my point (my mistake).
My thoughts were more aimed towards the direction:
"And the only ones showing some kind of "Immunity" towards that decieving cuteness are characters that are considered cute themselves".
"Okay...that's Nibbler and....hmlemmesee...Amy. Okay, could be interesting to have these two pulling together".
A plot demanding a certain qualification to solve a certain problem, with that qualification defining the pairing.
Or in regard to your example: Not putting these characters together because they are old ladies, but having a plot that demands old ladies, so these two turn out to be the most story-supporting choice.
spira

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« Reply #63 on: 10-09-2011 00:27 »

Sure, I agree that they shouldn't force character pairings for the hell of it. But if they are able to come up with plots that demand unusual pairings, I like that notion, as Hein was saying. One of the last things the show needs is another episode about "Fry and Bender are friends".
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« Reply #64 on: 10-09-2011 09:01 »

Besides, men friendships are much rougher than women's.

My best mate and I routinely verbally abuse each other in a highly profane manner as a way of greeting.
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« Reply #65 on: 10-09-2011 09:43 »

I would like an episode where Fry is the object of desire for once.  Maybe Leela dumps him for some silly trivial reason, so Fry takes the oppertunity to better himself, and for once Leela appreciates that she's hurt Fry's feelings one time to many, and she needs to stop taking him for granted.    So maybe Fry banks on his creativity and starts to get better at playing the holophoner, and maybe works out a bit too. 

So we could have a regretful Leela trying to pursue a confident, more attractive Fry, who is really hesitant to take her back for once, but takes her back after she's finally shown she's going to stop being yes, no maybe with him all the time, and she's sorry for letting him down again.  We've seen that Fry deserves Leela's love, but it would be nice to see an episode where it's shown that she deserves him too, since a lot of the time it seems that she doesn't deserve him at all.  They're meant to be, but Leela really needs to stop taking him for granted.  I know if I was Fry's friend in real life, I would dislike Leela a lot and think of her as a flighty bitch who needs to stop stringing my friend along.  (And let's face it, all of us have either been in Fry's position once, or have had a friend in his.)
This is really sweet, the idea of wanting to show that Fry is worthy of Leela's affection and she has to prove it to him. I really like your phrasing there, well done. And I think it can work. She's fickle.

Well, I think Leela's and Amy's friendship is mostly due to the fact that they are the only two women around, and therefore each others ONLY available option for "girly talk" or "gender allies".

Yeah, I agree. I have worked with girls where we might fake put up with each other on the job, but once off the job never talked to them again. I mean, I could see the writers trying to make it work...but I do not know how successful it would be. I see it more as a random event happens that allows these two to bond in some way, but by the end of the episode they are still distant as ever, if that makes sense. In the past Amy has made it a point to fixate on Leela's flaws, so I don't see these two ever becoming besties. I don't see them as enemies either, but merely coworkers who get along on the job perhaps and on occasional off site work engagements, like a wedding.

On the topic of Overclockwise, I thought it was sweet....but at the same time, I hated it. I really just did not like that ending. I thought the intent was pure, but the execution was poor. It seemed so...forced.
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« Reply #66 on: 10-09-2011 10:14 »

I'd like some more Amy episodes that don't revolve around her romantic relationships.  More plucky girl genius episodes please.

We had That Darn Katz! and you see the result!


Yes, the result was a great episode. smile


Uh, you misspelled "horrible", Danny ...
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« Reply #67 on: 10-09-2011 12:26 »

PEEL = AKA The Futurama Season 6 Hating Zone

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Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #68 on: 10-09-2011 12:48 »
« Last Edit on: 10-09-2011 15:48 »

In the past Amy has made it a point to fixate on Leela's flaws, so I don't see these two ever becoming besties.

I think the writers took one of Amy's "Low-Key" character traits, and -in the long run- just went "over the top" with it for laziness sake.
E.g. in "The series has landed", Amy was shown rather clumsy than really mean/catty. The "Aye, Aye..I mean...only just one Aye/Eye, Sir...erm...Madam". It's clear that Amy did not mean ill, but she started by talking as if they were on a 18th century sailing ship (probably making Leela wonder wether Amy has any ideas that this is basically a delivery, and not a remake of a "Hornblower Novel"), then even going for Leela's cyclopean appearance she was very senstive about, and -in the end- even adressing her as a man instead of a woman.
Might have been -in Leela's perception- among the meanest things Amy has said to her,
but even that was rather "low-key" (shown to be not intentional, and Amy shown to feel embarrassed about it).
But..in the long run...they settled for the "Besides, you do not really have the size for a mini skirt" kind of dialog...

About the same way Fry was initially not portraited the brightest knife in the drawer, but rather naive than stupid.
Right now, for some throwaway gags, they rather settled for the "complete moron".
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« Reply #69 on: 10-09-2011 16:14 »

Plus Leela kind of returns the favour every so often.  "Why did your long term boyfriend sort of husband plus parent of your children dump you like a sack of yesterday's turds?" is considerably more nasty then anything Amy has said to her.

We haven't really seen much of Amy and Leela's friendship.  I think it's pretty obvious that they are friends on some level.  Plus the episode that would feature them shouldn't really go for the "Oh look they really are good friends and care about eachother after all awwwhe preshussss!" angle, but just have them in the driving seat of the episode.  Like having them save the rest of the crew or teaming up to fight a common foe. 
spira

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« Reply #70 on: 10-09-2011 17:04 »

Like having them save the rest of the crew or teaming up to fight a common foe. 

Yeah, exactly. Just a plot driven by the two of them, which in turn would give a little more insight to their relationship. They are catty to each other, of course, but they've had some nice moments the few times they've been paired together, like in BwaBB and Amazon Women. And their little exchange in Overclockwise - "Come on in, Leela! Take that ugly coat off." "Thanks!" - suggests that they really do have a friendly rivalry, not a malicious one.
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« Reply #71 on: 10-09-2011 18:06 »

Plus Leela kind of returns the favour every so often.  "Why did your long term boyfriend sort of husband plus parent of your children dump you like a sack of yesterday's turds?" is considerably more nasty then anything Amy has said to her.

I didn't quite hear the line that way. Rather than comparing Amy to such, I sort heard it as "Leela shits in a sack, and throws away the sack each day to replace it with a fresh one."

Figured it might be something to do with not wanting to flush her turds down into the sewer in case her parents end up poking through them looking for interesting anomalies. Or semen. You never know what your parents are actually thinking they'll find when they start combing though your poop.

But anyhow, that seemed to fit with what we know of Leela and her various insecurities.
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« Reply #72 on: 10-09-2011 19:54 »

So I asked Eric Rogers what would he think would make a good 200th episode plot, he said:

@DannyJC13 ha I don't know if we'll get there! But I'd love a story where fry returns to 2000, and brings everyone from future back w/him.
spira

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« Reply #73 on: 10-09-2011 20:07 »

tnuk, I never thought of it that way, but, uh, maybe that's it. Yes.

Haha, nice, Danny. I agree that such a thing, though similar plot lines have already been done, could be very good.
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« Reply #74 on: 10-09-2011 20:45 »
« Last Edit on: 10-09-2011 20:47 »


I was just imagining (not suggesting!) Star Trek IV as done with the characters from Futurama, all agog and confused in nineteen-eightysomething. smile

Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #75 on: 10-09-2011 20:59 »
« Last Edit on: 10-09-2011 21:02 »

I enjoyed the TLOTE plotline with Fry explaining the 20th century to Leela and Bender in the theme park.
Getting them back in the 20th century (where they could REALLY get in trouble) sounds fun... smile
("Oh..a public bathroom..I'll be right back" Okay, most of you do not like juvenile poop jokes, but that callback is a MUST imhO big grin )
spira

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« Reply #76 on: 10-09-2011 21:02 »

I enjoyed the TLOTE plotline with Fry explaining the 20th century to Leela and Bender in the theme park.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of, thanks. That was particularly amusing.

They'd just have to be careful not to do a remix of Roswell that Ends Well or Presidents' Heads, but I'm sure there's a gold mine of potential plots in that idea.
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« Reply #77 on: 10-09-2011 21:04 »

I want an episode that has a few Zelda references.

You know the crew flying into space with the Tal Tal Mountain Range theme would be awesome.
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« Reply #78 on: 10-09-2011 21:08 »

And a Goron or two? Maybe have some rocks crashing down from the sky as well...
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« Reply #79 on: 10-09-2011 21:19 »

And maybe Triforce powered laser cannons. To blow up asteroids and junk.  But you need Power Bracelets to operate them.
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