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Fnord
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« Reply #320 on: 09-20-2011 08:59 »

* The poster of Mom, in the style of Farrah Fawcett (<shudder>), in the sons' game room.

Okay, that's who it was ... I didn't catch it.

After re-watching "Neutopia", I realized that the "poster of Mom" joke would have been much funnier if had been of the female Hubert Farnsworth ... also establishing that "conceptual continuity" that Frank Zappa was so big on ...
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« Reply #321 on: 12-09-2011 00:43 »

MOVIE ENDING
FALLING FANS
GENIUS DRUNK ROBOTS
SURPRISING SURPRISE WITNESS

wut else do i need 2 say?

10/10
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« Reply #322 on: 12-09-2011 00:44 »

Is anybody going to admit to just now giving this episode a 1?
try rewatching and feel the old love between fry and leela comeback in that spectacular warm feeling, also your stomach will hurt of laughter
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« Reply #323 on: 12-23-2011 08:09 »

For the shippers out there, in the commentary at the very end of the episode, when Leela and Fry are reading Bender's paper on what happens to them:

Patric Verrone: Now that we're several episodes into the next season in writing I know why she slaps him.   

So apparently when they did this episode they didn't know if they were coming back for another season (again) so it was intended to be the last episode, with Reincarnation as the last "bonus" episode as they put it.
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« Reply #324 on: 12-23-2011 08:11 »

So apparently when they did this episode they didn't know if they were coming back for another season (again) so it was intended to be the last episode, with Reincarnation as the last "bonus" episode as they put it.

Everyone already knew that! Even you!
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« Reply #325 on: 12-23-2011 08:24 »

Or did I...

@_@

They did originally have the second act be the third act in Reincarnation and instead of it saying "Level Complete" to read "Series Complete"
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« Reply #326 on: 12-23-2011 10:22 »

instead of it saying "Level Complete" to read "Series Complete"

That would of been awesome. big grin

And, oh, I guess Fry does something bad to Leela... But what would it matter... Unless... Unless...

THEY'RE ACTUALLY TOGETHER NOW?!
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« Reply #327 on: 12-23-2011 10:28 »

He can be a jerk to her regardless if they are together or not. Also Fry's stupid so yeah...
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« Reply #328 on: 12-23-2011 10:30 »

I also felt like the second act could have worked better as the last, that gag could have worked well...
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« Reply #329 on: 12-23-2011 10:32 »

He can be a jerk to her regardless if they are together or not. Also Fry's stupid so yeah...

But why should she care if they aren't together?

You could say "Oh because they know their future..."

If they know their future, and it's obviously good, why the fuck are they still seperate?! mad

I'm not a shipper, but damn just seal the deal already...
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« Reply #330 on: 12-23-2011 10:34 »
« Last Edit on: 12-23-2011 10:42 »

I think the "why she slapped him" could be a neutral remark regarding some stupid Fry action.
Though somehow, I guess most people associated the slapping in "Overclockwise" with cheating.

About Fry and Leela finally getting completely together:
I would favor that option, for their relationship has never been completely stable:

1. There was the one-sided quest, and there are enough episodes of that.
2. There were the "certain reproach on Leela's side, but just below the 100%" episodes, and there are also enough of them.
3. There were the "One kiss doesn't automatically mean happily ever after autowin, the persons call still be caught in a not so satisfying on/off relationship" episodes, and there are also imhO enough of them.

The constellations in 1.) and 2.) did not last forever, and neither do I think should 3.)
Besides, keeping them seperated creates the impression that the Futurama writers consider themselves too incompetent to write about a couple in their cast (which should not be such a big deal)
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« Reply #331 on: 12-23-2011 10:35 »

Well if they're addressing Fry's slap, maybe they'll address Leela's?
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« Reply #332 on: 12-23-2011 10:36 »

He can be a jerk to her regardless if they are together or not. Also Fry's stupid so yeah...

But why should she care if they aren't together?

You could say "Oh because they know their future..."

If they know their future, and it's obviously good, why the fuck are they still seperate?! mad

I'm not a shipper, but damn just seal the deal already...

^This. That's like having some food that you know is going to be the best thing you've ever eaten yet you toss it out for something you have all the time... :/
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« Reply #333 on: 12-23-2011 10:42 »

I have a feeling they won't be together next Series, no matter what happens to them in the Series finale, they never stay together.

And if they do finally get together in the last episode ever, in the back of my mind, in their universe I know they won't...
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« Reply #334 on: 12-23-2011 10:49 »

I was on that boat a few seasons ago Danny. Ever since The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings when Leela was clearly moved, then they come back and Leela is all hunky dory (did I seriously just type that?) over Lars, which isn't so much of a shock as TBWABB when Fry starts dating Coleen...I'm no shipper either (I used to be around the time of Parasites Lost) but it makes me mad too. Either clearly state they are together, or forget the whole ship. Now everyone don't come at me with your flames and pitchforks...
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« Reply #335 on: 12-23-2011 11:12 »

It's possible they won't be together.

Knowing the future is bound to change it.
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« Reply #336 on: 12-24-2011 00:51 »
« Last Edit on: 12-24-2011 00:59 »

Like I've said before, Leela really pissed me off this episode.  Fry has done so many freaking amazing things for her, but because he's not writing her operas or saving her life that week, she's worried their relationship has gotten stale.    And seriously.  Selling houses to space yuppies.  That's really more Deep and Exciting and Meaningful then being an intergalactic space captain?  Seriously?

And whilst I agree that after ten years she has every right to want more from life, the way she treated Fry that episode made her seem extremely selfish and unreasonable. I know I would have  given up on the one eyed malcontent by that point.  You know the next season she will find some trivial and inane reason to dump Fry like he's nuclear waste and lust all over some jerk.  Girl really needs to sort out what she wants and stick to it, because at the moment, Fry deserves better.  Like someone a bit more stable for a start. 
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« Reply #337 on: 12-24-2011 08:39 »

Like I've said before, Leela really pissed me off this episode.  Fry has done so many freaking amazing things for her, but because he's not writing her operas or saving her life that week, she's worried their relationship has gotten stale.    And seriously.  Selling houses to space yuppies.  That's really more Deep and Exciting and Meaningful then being an intergalactic space captain?  Seriously?

Maybe in the 31st century it is.
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« Reply #338 on: 12-24-2011 09:20 »

She did have an awesome space closer jacket.
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« Reply #339 on: 12-24-2011 13:41 »

I agree with SpaceGoldfish fromWazn, Leela was really in total biatch mode in this ep. To think this could have been the last canon ep in the series is simply mind boggling! Since Leela found out who her parents are she seems to be putting all of her spare energy into being the most unlikable and unpleasant selfish piece of trash she can be...

All of the caring endearing qualities of her character are disappearing, including her apparent care for Nibbler, who like Fry, she can just leave without a moments thought...
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« Reply #340 on: 12-24-2011 14:14 »
« Last Edit on: 12-24-2011 18:43 »

That's really more Deep and Exciting and Meaningful then being an intergalactic space captain?  Seriously?
 

Her job is imhO the only thing I would consider credibe for Leela to leave.

- What does the titel "Intergalactic Space Ship Captain" mean?
In the series, it was rather the person appointed by Farnsworth as the ships pilot, and he could and did chose anyone at random when the necessity arose.
Means: Not really an impressive, well paid job. Her job could be rather compared to a trucker today than to a ship's captain. (I liked the double meaning in "Leela's Homeworld" when her picture was put up: I COULD mean she was the only one who made something of her live, but it also COULD mean that her space trucker job is not really such a greater achievement than those of everyone else, and her picture fits into that row very well).

- About the meaningful aspects: What looks like adventures to us, is rather a "getting too damned close" for the characters. Getting killed while trying to deliver a parcel. The fatal danger is imhO something she would easily give up. The "entertaining, adventurous" aspect is rather for the audience, but hardly a profit for the characters.

ImhO, the character that would endure the longest as ship's captain before looking for something else would be Fry. Not based on qualifications, but rather on the wrongest expectations ("Sci Fi adentures..woohoo...cool"), and being the slowest thinker to find out this asspumption is wrong ("Now wait a second...what else is there expect being nearly killed on nearly every delivery?"), and this job hardly offers anything expect the possibility of an early death.
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« Reply #341 on: 12-25-2011 01:46 »

I got the DVD set, and it lists this episode as "Over Clock Wise"  confused
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« Reply #342 on: 12-25-2011 01:47 »

It's not a title, it's just a description of what she does.  She's the pilot of an intergalactic ship.   I mean... she's on a ship, where several times a  week, she will fly across the universe seeing many different planets and meet with loads of alien races.  She gets to see asteroids and nebulas, black holes and quasars, and pretty much everything the universe has to offer.  I know I'd take that low paying job over a real estate agent anyway. .

Remember?  When she met the orphans who bullied her, (and they were all losers), she was itching to rub her status as a space pilot/spaceship captain into their faces and said it like it was something to be proud of.  Because it was.  

 And let's not forget, that coat was ugly

But even so, if she felt it was time to move on, that's her right to.  If she doesn't want to risk life and limb every week, again that's her right to.  But the way she treated Fry that episode just made her seem capricious, selfish and unreasonable.  Fry never even tried to make her choose between making a new life for herself and him, or said: "If you leave, I'm not going."  He was fine to go away with her and figure out the future together, but nooo.. as usual with Leela it was all Me, Me, Me and What I Want Now Now Now.    Did she even try to work something out with Fry?  What's to stop her having another early midlife crisis?  I mean she changes her mind as often as she doesn't change her tank top, and she is impossible to please most of the time.
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« Reply #343 on: 12-25-2011 02:47 »

To be fair, she gets to see space and stuff as a real estate agent too. If you talked to someone a thousand years ago - hell, two hundred years ago - and was like "you could operate an automatic machine and see tall, beautiful feats of engineering or high mountain passes or starry nights," that would sound really cool, but today that's just being a truck driver. Leela's PE job is pretty much just a truck driver. Everyone drives in space (see: the opening scene of Parasites Lost).

She was itching to rub anything in their faces, and that was something she could glorify. Remember the tone she used when she said "well, it's just for a delivery company"? She knows it's no great job.

Her lime green coat is kinda ugly, haha.

She had been in his life for ten years and it hadn't really gone anywhere. I agree that her actions seemed selfish but that's a flaw we've known she's had for a while. I like that she's rash sometimes. It keeps her interesting.
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« Reply #344 on: 12-25-2011 02:48 »

I agree with SpaceGoldfish fromWazn, Leela was really in total biatch mode in this ep. To think this could have been the last canon ep in the series is simply mind boggling! Since Leela found out who her parents are she seems to be putting all of her spare energy into being the most unlikable and unpleasant selfish piece of trash she can be...

All of the caring endearing qualities of her character are disappearing, including her apparent care for Nibbler, who like Fry, she can just leave without a moments thought...

Be thankful leiapadme77 isn't here to read this...hahah
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« Reply #345 on: 12-25-2011 03:18 »

I like that she's rash sometimes. It keeps her interesting.

Yes, rashes are interesting. Wait, did I misread that?

Anyway: I really enjoy Leela in "Overclockwise." I think I've pontificated elsewhere in this thread on the subject of her purported bitchiness, so I'll just say that I don't think there's anything wrong with her expecting Fry to commit to her (even if she had been having trouble committing to him throughout season six), and I don't blame her for wanting to find another job. She makes it clear that she feels unsatisfied professionally and personally--that, even though she loves Fry, she doubts his ability satisfy her various needs--and her concerns are valid.

Maybe it's a little selfish to abruptly leave the guy you love and the coworkers who have become your family, but I don't hold that against Leela. She was just doing what she thought was best for her. And, by the end of the episode, she realizes that she belonged at Planet Express all along--so, you know, no harm done.
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« Reply #346 on: 12-25-2011 04:22 »
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At least until her next early mid life crisis, and then she'll come back expecting to pick up exactly where she left off... whether it's with Fry or her old job (someone else pointed out every time she quits, she expects her captainship back just like that.)  For someone who has experienced a lot of loneliness, alienation and neglect in her childhood, she often takes the people who are good to her for granted.   Especially Fry.

But actually a great idea for an episode would be, Leela quits on a whim, then comes back expecting her old job back, and is told no.  Someone has replaced her (either Hermes or Amy), and she has to work her way back to her old career from the bottom (Leela's now a delivery girl or something). Also she has to prove to Fry that she deserves him for once, (I mean with someone as fickle as Leela, it's almost impossible to know where you stand sometimes, and if you know they can actually take care of your heart.)  I just think that all of the characters, Leela's probably the one least likely to face consequences for her own actions.

I just found Leela in this episode to be extremely selfish and flighty.  Even though she was thinking something perfectly reasonable, the way she behaved was pretty unreasonable.   I know if someone I was dating was as fickle as Leela, I would have given up on him at this point if I hadn't already.  

As for Leela being a trucker... yes and no.  Futurama constantly flip flops on whether everybody drives in space or not, or whether spaceships are the equivilant of modern cars or airplanes or ocean going ships.   I mean one episode can have the universe being crossed in a manner similar to a ocean liner or a passenger jet, while the next might show Amy's car doing the job just as nicely.  I'm not really sure whether it's possible to consider Leela a glorified long haul trucker or a pilot/captain.  A pilot is automatically more glamorous then a trucker, even if they are traveling the same distance and are carrying the same cargo, don't you think?
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« Reply #347 on: 12-25-2011 06:37 »

To be fair, she gets to see space and stuff as a real estate agent too. If you talked to someone a thousand years ago - hell, two hundred years ago - and was like "you could operate an automatic machine and see tall, beautiful feats of engineering or high mountain passes or starry nights," that would sound really cool,

You left out the part about picking up floozies for one-night stands ...
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« Reply #348 on: 12-25-2011 16:05 »
« Last Edit on: 12-26-2011 11:18 »

At least until her next early mid life crisis, and then she'll come back expecting to pick up exactly where she left off... whether it's with Fry or her old job (someone else pointed out every time she quits, she expects her captainship back just like that.)  

Yep, that was me who pointed that out.

I just think that all of the characters, Leela's probably the one least likely to face consequences for her own actions.
 

^THIS, THIS and A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!!!! wink
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« Reply #349 on: 12-30-2011 07:33 »

I love the deleted scenes for this episode. The "Hacking Off" one made me hysterical in laughter.
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« Reply #350 on: 12-31-2011 08:06 »

I love the fans on Zoidy and the movie ending. I think my new favorite.
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« Reply #351 on: 01-16-2012 19:15 »

I've just watched the entire series on DVD, and this episode was one of the three best episodes (along with "Cold Warriors" and "Reincarnation") in my opinion. Although the Fry and Leela storyline felt a bit forced at times, I was very impressed with the episode overall and thought the ending was great. Also, I enjoyed identifying the different members of the jury (Fishy Joe, Grand Curator/No.9 Man etc.)!
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« Reply #352 on: 01-16-2012 20:27 »

I've just watched the entire series on DVD

As in 6B, 6 overall or 1 to 6?
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« Reply #353 on: 01-16-2012 20:40 »

I have a feeling he meant 6B, too many better eps if he meant anymore...
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« Reply #354 on: 01-16-2012 20:48 »

I think it's 6B. It was from "Silence of the Clamps" to "Reincarnation". I was feeling a bit disappointed with 6B until "Cold Warriors" because I felt it lacked a stand out good episode, but I thought the last 3 episodes were enough to make it as good as 6A overall, or "Volume 5" as the DVD set was called.
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« Reply #355 on: 01-16-2012 20:55 »

You thought 6A was better than 6B even before the last 3 eps? no no

I mean 6A is like, WOO, but 6B is like YYYEEEEEAAAAAH!
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« Reply #356 on: 01-16-2012 21:10 »

I'm gonna watch it all again at some point but I wasn't overly keen on episodes like "Neutopia" or "Mobius Dick" compared to the episodes in 6A, and they were the 'middling' episodes of the season for me. I thought that the bad episodes in each season were comparable but the lack of any episodes that were as good as the best episodes in 6A ("The Late Phillip J. Fry" and "The Prisoner of Benda") meant that 6B fell short until I watched the final three episodes, which I loved.

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« Reply #357 on: 01-16-2012 21:17 »

I wasn't overly keen on episodes like... "Mobius Dick" compared to the episodes in 6A, and they were the 'middling' episodes of the season for me.

no no

Just no.
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« Reply #358 on: 01-16-2012 21:29 »

Möbius Dick > Overclockwise...
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« Reply #359 on: 01-16-2012 21:34 »

no no

Just no.

Hey, I didn't find anything in 6B to be particularly impressive besides "Cold Warriors" and "Reincarnation" myself. I submit myself to your many words of disapproval. tongue
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