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DannyJC13

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« Reply #80 on: 08-26-2011 15:09 »

Correct! Better get back ontopic before the mods come a-ragin'....

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« Reply #81 on: 08-26-2011 16:02 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2011 16:12 »

Easily one of the best episodes of this season.  Epic story, good jokes, and a touch of heartwarming.

The only thing that bugs me is that pale little *unt didn't get any sort of karmic retribution for stealing Fry's idea out of nothing more then spite.  Two actually, as Sparky said, I was surprised that Kif was mostly pretty unemotional about destroying Manhattan, especially since Amy would be among its occupants.  After all Zapp claims to care about Leela, but he woudln't hesitate to kill or abandon her if his life was on the line.  Kif is probably used to Zapp killing civilians, such as when he piloted the Titanic into a black hole and left the passengers to their fate, but I still thought he didn't protest or resist much when Zapp ordered him to kill his smizmar/wife/fonfonrubok/girlfriend whatever.
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« Reply #82 on: 08-26-2011 16:25 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2011 18:04 »

Current PEEL rating (with 44 votes): 90.23%
Current CGEF rating (with 37 votes): 93%

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« Reply #83 on: 08-26-2011 16:26 »

But I wonder how URL managed to broadcast his own voice through a megaphone and a loudspeaker. confused

Yeah I thought that, wouldn't it be really muffled or cause an echo?

This isn't the first time, though.
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« Reply #84 on: 08-26-2011 16:26 »

Something I just noticed:

When NNY was ripped out of the ground and the Ocean started to fill the crater where it was, wouldn't the Sewers/Old New York be flooded? Why aren't the mutants dead?
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« Reply #85 on: 08-26-2011 16:28 »

First of all only Manhattan got ripped out, and not right under street level but quite a bit more under it.
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« Reply #86 on: 08-26-2011 16:30 »

Something I just noticed:

When NNY was ripped out of the ground and the Ocean started to fill the crater where it was, wouldn't the Sewers/Old New York be flooded? Why aren't the mutants dead?

Because they live on the surface now.  And if any stay down there, they have a lot of boats.
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« Reply #87 on: 08-26-2011 16:34 »

No, they don't live on the surface. We talked about this in the goof section...

Plus, Eric Rogers confirmed they are allowed on the surface but most of them still live in the sewers...
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« Reply #88 on: 08-26-2011 16:38 »

I really enjoyed this episode. Good animation, good story, if a little silly in parts, and a lovely touching moment at the end between Fry and Yancy Sr. Any episode that can make me have a little heartwarmed sniffle gets a 9/10.

Also, that Josh kid really reminded me of our Josh (the way he looks, not acts), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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« Reply #89 on: 08-26-2011 16:46 »

No, they don't live on the surface. We talked about this in the goof section...

Plus, Eric Rogers confirmed they are allowed on the surface but most of them still live in the sewers...

Seriously? 

I thought they absolutely hated living down in the sewers and were desperate to go to a place where they could see sunshine and not have wet clumps of things or copies of Atlas Shrugged falling in their mouths.   I guess teh cost of housing and apartments in NNY has skyrocketed over the past thousand years.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #90 on: 08-26-2011 16:58 »

Plus people probably avoid them and feel sick when they are around. hmpf
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« Reply #91 on: 08-26-2011 17:12 »


But only if Ralph's avatar gets permanently changed to this:

No way.  I've actually worked for a living, so Barack has no business being compared to me in any way.
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« Reply #92 on: 08-26-2011 17:16 »

Plus people probably avoid them and feel sick when they are around. hmpf
They have lots of pretty gross and dangerous aliens running around NNY.  The mutants look so weird most of them would never pass for human.   
DannyJC13

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« Reply #93 on: 08-26-2011 17:26 »

Yes but people in the future can tell the difference. tongue
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« Reply #94 on: 08-26-2011 17:28 »

Yes but people in the future can tell the difference. tongue

They couldn't tell the difference with Leela!
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« Reply #95 on: 08-26-2011 17:36 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2011 17:41 »

Fantastic episode!

If this were the penultimate canon episode of the series as it was intended, it would have been very fitting indeed. It was funny. It used all of the major and supporting characters to good effect all wrapped up in a great science fiction story. They even managed to work in some subtle Leela and Fry interplay too which was nice. LOTS of good lines too.

"The situation is expected to deteriorate as newscasters whip the city into a panic. RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

There was a lot I liked about this episode, but it's late here so I'm not going to even bother getting into details.

No major gripes at all with this one, and with Overclockwise and Reincarnation the last two episodes of season 6 that remain, I can't help but think that we are in for a stellar finale.  big grin

9/10
DannyJC13

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« Reply #96 on: 08-26-2011 17:39 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2011 17:40 »

They couldn't tell the difference with Leela!

Yes, but they could with her parents. tongue
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« Reply #97 on: 08-26-2011 17:42 »

This episode was Futurama. Pure Futurama. 9/10.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Only this, 10/10.
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« Reply #98 on: 08-26-2011 17:57 »

Aren't Morbo and Linda supposed to broadcast from L/A anyway?
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« Reply #99 on: 08-26-2011 18:04 »

Current PEEL rating (with 50 votes): 90.80%
Current CGEF rating (with 47 votes): 94%


If the rating on CGEF stays it would be the highest rated Futurama episode ever.
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« Reply #100 on: 08-26-2011 18:04 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2011 18:06 »

Reading the CGEF reviews, I really think it would've been better to do the episodes in the produced order, people complaining about the flashbacks two weeks in a row and all that, which may have lowered the score slightly. Still it's by CGEF reviewers now (26th August, 18.04pm GMT+1) the best Futurama episode ever.

I'll agree with what people before me posted. A fantastic episode. I have high hopes for next week. 9.6/10 rounded up to a 10. wink

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Damnit, Bend-err beat me to it. tongue

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« Reply #101 on: 08-26-2011 18:11 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2011 18:14 »

Aren't Morbo and Linda supposed to broadcast from L/A anyway?

That's always confused me as well. In ABPOG they indicate that they broadcast from L.A (technically they say they "live" in L.A., but it's still implied they broadcast from there as well), but in most other episodes it's implied otherwise.

It makes more sense for them to be based in NNY, so I'd guess that it was just the rule of funny in ABPOG (I can't think of any other instances where it's implied again that they are broadcasting from L.A.) I guess the writers change it depending on which location suits the story best. Let's just justify it by saying that since they are a worldwide news service that they have lots of studios across the globe that they can broadcast from whenever they need to.
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« Reply #102 on: 08-26-2011 18:16 »

That's true.  They could have just moved to NNY after that episode, since we have seen them out about in NNY a few times.  It was a confusing line but it seems to have had a retcon.
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« Reply #103 on: 08-26-2011 18:20 »

And Danny: I think it was "For the Sophisticated Shut-In" and "The One Bright Spot in Your Life!" that made me laugh, probably because both statements are so very, very true.

I liked 'It's Tentacular!'. tongue

that one is my favorite so far.
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« Reply #104 on: 08-26-2011 18:49 »

Something I just noticed:

When NNY was ripped out of the ground and the Ocean started to fill the crater where it was, wouldn't the Sewers/Old New York be flooded? Why aren't the mutants dead?

This is a good point, and I have to wonder this too. Sure it took a large part of the ground including presumably lower than the sewers go, but I kinda imagined the sewers extended beyond just Manhattan. Also, the ocean seemed to fill it, so how could the land just be placed back on top as if all is back like normal? hmpf...

The Morbo/Linda LA thing is something else I hadn't thought of, but I guess it could be justified because in the future it only takes mere seconds to travel from one side of the country to the other given it that it takes seconds to travel to the moon. Maybe they like to report from location...

Anyways, I still love the ep...
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« Reply #105 on: 08-26-2011 19:05 »

Some good parts. The pacing was good. Didn't like that there was yet another 'the crew don't care about killing one of their own' moment, and having Zapp laser out the city was stupid, but other than that it was definitely one of the better episodes of season 6.
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« Reply #106 on: 08-26-2011 19:10 »

Bonus points to the Futurama writers for their depiction of Saturn's moon Enceladus.  As seen in Cold Warrior, it does indeed have immense ice-water geysers continuously erupting (in the south polar regions), and its surface consists of ice over a water ocean.  Evidently, at least one Futurama writer is a science nerd (probably most of them, in fact).
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« Reply #107 on: 08-26-2011 19:18 »

Something I just thought about, where was Scruffy in this quarantine? Did he escape getting a cold? It didn't take anything away from the episode that he wasn't there because quite frankly he's been in 6B enough already, but still, I have to wonder what he was up to given that presumably he would have been sealed inside the building with the rest of them? hmpf...
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« Reply #108 on: 08-26-2011 19:28 »

Current PEEL rating (with 50 votes): 90.80%
Current CGEF rating (with 47 votes): 94%


If the rating on CGEF stays it would be the highest rated Futurama episode ever.

On CGEF, The Late Philip J. Fry was on 96% until roughly about 200 reviews, then idiots just started downvoting it for no reason. It'll probably happen to Cold Warriors too.

Anyway, fantastic episode! I actually preferred the flashback scenes over the present day ones in this one. Nevertheless, some great jokes, and good pacing. I'm not sure how Fry ended up getting the common cold in the present day though, but the father and son scene at the end was quite emotional and reminded me why I loved the original run of Futurama. One of the best episodes of Season 6 easily. 10/10
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« Reply #109 on: 08-26-2011 19:28 »

Something I just thought about, where was Scruffy in this quarantine? Did he escape getting a cold? It didn't take anything away from the episode that he wasn't there because quite frankly he's been in 6B enough already, but still, I have to wonder what he was up to given that presumably he would have been sealed inside the building with the rest of them? hmpf...

He was probably asleep in the basement or something during the entire episode. Nothing would of happened to him. laff
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« Reply #110 on: 08-26-2011 19:53 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2011 19:55 »

Strange how he was in almost all the episodes this half season and yet when they needed to show where he was, he was nowhere to be seen
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« Reply #111 on: 08-26-2011 20:41 »

Easily the best episode of 6b so far! It was adorable, and it totally felt like Futurama. The very ending almost made me get teary, haha.

10/10
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« Reply #112 on: 08-26-2011 20:44 »

Yes, this seemed like a 'D'aawww' episode for me. tongue
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« Reply #113 on: 08-26-2011 20:54 »

The Morbo/Linda thing was the only real (perhaps major) goof of the episode. Otherwise I loved it. 9/10.
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« Reply #114 on: 08-26-2011 21:01 »

On CGEF, The Late Philip J. Fry was on 96% until roughly about 200 reviews, then idiots just started downvoting it for no reason. It'll probably happen to Cold Warriors too.

The same thing happens here on PEEL as well.  In fact something similar happened yesterday.  A half-dozen episodes, which had not had a new vote on their respective polls in weeks, all suddenly increased their vote totals by one -- all of the new votes being "1".  Obviously some vandal decided to drive the average scores down as much as possible. It made no difference whether the episode was good or bad.
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« Reply #115 on: 08-26-2011 21:24 »

Love it, will discuss later.
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« Reply #116 on: 08-26-2011 21:54 »

On CGEF, The Late Philip J. Fry was on 96% until roughly about 200 reviews, then idiots just started downvoting it for no reason. It'll probably happen to Cold Warriors too.

The same thing happens here on PEEL as well.  In fact something similar happened yesterday.  A half-dozen episodes, which had not had a new vote on their respective polls in weeks, all suddenly increased their vote totals by one -- all of the new votes being "1".  Obviously some vandal decided to drive the average scores down as much as possible. It made no difference whether the episode was good or bad.

It's sad, but it happens on CGEF even more and it also happens in pretty much everything and anything no matter what it is. Someone will always try to spoil it as long as humans exist. We'll just have to live with the averages despite these unfair votes because sadly it happens everywhere...
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« Reply #117 on: 08-26-2011 23:30 »
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I find myself confused, as to whether to grade this episode with 8/10 or 9/10.

I found myself laughing many many scenes.  Linda/morbo, Nixon/Zapp/Wernstrom etc.

This episode is made out of the tradition of episodes like TLOTF and JB, with flashbacks telling us the backstory with clever transitions, but the problem is we've already had an episode like this in the previous week.  I'm fully aware of the airing out of order, but the makers of the show still made these episodes.  Season 6 has a problem where they've redone the same theme in many episodes.  One being time travel with episodes like The Late Philip J. Fry and The President Head episode--thought TLPJF was a clever original take on it--I remember Groening saying in old series audio commentaries stating the time travel wouldn't be used a whole lot and only once in a while, with great episodes like Roswell That Ends Well and the why in fry, with that episode having time travel used only in the third act.  Yet, Bender's Big Score used time travel out the ass and now it seems every other episode is about time travel and was a big flashback episode.  Don't get me wrong, I loved Bender's Big Score it was better than the second and third film.  My point, I hope we don't have every single episode about flashbacks, since we've seen the Professor have one, Bender had one with his origin and now Fry.

I felt the whole flashback sequences were a bit tacked on, not playing a huge part of the story like in TLOTF and JB as much as tried to do, though the last scene where young Fry with his father was touching and is a great end.  Though this episode would've still been good if they didn't use flashback, unlike JB and TLOTF which depended on the flashback moments.  It was cool to see Fry and his family again since we hardly do throughout the series.  Nice throwback to TLOTF with the 7-leafed clover and Yancy wanting to get it.  We can assume that Fry put the clover in the safe some time after 1988, since he's still carrying it around and is still fighting with Yancy, or Fry could simply had kept hiding it there in between times he needed it.

A few nitpicks, Kif isn't at all concerned that he's about to kill his gf Amy, who would obviously be in that domed city.  Also the whole covering NNY is copied from the Simpsons Movie, though Futurama makes it more believable since it's the future and I liked the new twist with launching it into space.

Final thoughts: Cold Warriors is a really cool episode, with a touching story, and typical Futurama humor, it's a few notches above Jurassic Bark--which I'm bias because I didn't like Seymour all that much-- but not in par with Leela's Homeworld or The Luck of the Fryish, both episodes are the standards for this type of episode.  Those episodes had something really emotional, Fry's relationship with his brother and Leela's meeting her parents, but Cold Warriors really wasn't about Fry's relationship with his father.  It's there, but that's not the main focus, since it's about Fry getting a cold.

I'd say read Issue 11, of Futurama Comics, since that too also had an interesting story of Fry getting the common cold in the future.
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« Reply #118 on: 08-26-2011 23:32 »

This episode is made out of the tradition of episodes like TLOTF and JB, with flashbacks telling us the backstory with clever transitions, but the problem is we've already had an episode like this in the previous week.  

That's CC's fault for airing them out of Production Order.
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« Reply #119 on: 08-27-2011 00:21 »

I just watched the episode, and I was very happy with it. I agree with the comparisons with TLotF, especially. I enjoyed the storyline in the future, and I thought that the flashbacks to Fry's childhood were touching. Also, I thought that the montage of Fry preparing his guinea pig for space was hilarious.

The last few episodes are certainly showing a defined upward trend in quality. 9/10
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