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« Reply #160 on: 08-21-2011 15:36 »

Had he not been rescued from the Near Death Star he'd have turned into a yeti despite being in an artificial coma, and Dr Zoidberg didn't even bother trying to rescue him. It would be quite funny I suppose having him randomly turning into a yeti within his sleeping chamber and it then being forced apart all around him. The robots working there would have wondered what the fuck was going on, and then suddenly there would be some random yeti on the rampage in the Near Death Star. As funny as that would be, that's not the point though...
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« Reply #161 on: 08-21-2011 15:41 »

But Zoidberg didn't know about the Professor's yeti-ism by then. He still thought the Professor had Hypermalaria, so he really had no reason to help rescue him.
He only found out about it when he found the white hair in the professor's lab coat.

Also the Professor wouldn't have run rampant in the Near Death Star at all, he'd have turned, sure, but he'd still have been in a coma. Depending how though the walls in the chambers are he'd either have suffered horribly from lack of space, or the walls would have cracked.
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« Reply #162 on: 08-21-2011 15:49 »
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But Dr Zoidberg knew that the Professor was likely to one day experience Hypermalaria, and still didn't bother trying to rescue him. He didn't seem that bothered that the Professor turned himself in to the Sunset Squad Robots either. Maybe the Professors artificial coma would have stopped the pain of the Hypermalaria, maybe that was Dr Zoidberg's reasoning for not being that bothered. There’s no guarantee though, so it still seems a bit wishy-washy to me hmpf...

Also, how do you know that turning into a yeti while in an artificial coma wouldn't have caused him to wake up out of it?...
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« Reply #163 on: 08-21-2011 16:00 »

I loved it, this seasons turning out to be great, only really a couple of duds the entire season 6! (All The President's Heads and Holiday Special).

Double Yeti lol. Amazing episode.

There's only one thing that bothers me, just a few episodes ago (Mobius Dick) Zoidberg had only been working with Farnsworth since like the 2960s now it's the 2920s?!
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« Reply #164 on: 08-21-2011 16:10 »

Otis:

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He probably did indeed forget or hope that being put in an artificial coma would help the Hypermalaria effects to not bother him, since he'd be out anyway.

That could count for Zoidberg too. If the Professor is already in a coma, Hypermalaria wouldn't have to big affects on him (especially since coma is one of the effects). Thus he'd only die eventually, but not suffer the effects beforehand. It would be more like dying in his sleep.


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I don't think turning into a yeti would wake you up if you're put in an artificial coma that is meant to leave you be asleep for the rest of your "life" no matter what happens.
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« Reply #165 on: 08-21-2011 16:11 »

I loved it, this seasons turning out to be great, only really a couple of duds the entire season 6! (All The President's Heads and Holiday Special).

Double Yeti lol. Amazing episode.

There's only one thing that bothers me, just a few episodes ago (Mobius Dick) Zoidberg had only been working with Farnsworth since like the 2960s now it's the 2920s?!
think this through. you can do it!

also, replace ATPH with YLL.
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« Reply #166 on: 08-21-2011 16:17 »
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I have to agree with Randi; and this is despite the fact that it is hinted numerous times throughout the show's run that Zoidberg and Farnsworth are actually old friends.  I wonder if they just thought they didn't have to try so hard with this relationship because it had been established indirectly?  I actually felt Mom's and Zoidberg's relationship more genuine than Zoidberg's and Farnsworth's for some reason.

So true.  While it's always surprising for Mom to show anyone other then herself any degree of kindness, her relationship with Zoidberg felt pretty genuine, rather then forced or random.  It added an extra dimension to both her and Zoidberg's personalities (that there are extremely rare individuals that Mom will speak to with kindness and respect, but still, she's Mom.  Even though she's a trillionare, she will still take the last completely worthless thing you own to settle a deal.)  I liked seeing that Mom has a nice side, but her niceness is very Mom, and the rest of her personality is always around the corner.
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« Reply #167 on: 08-21-2011 16:19 »

Anvil: Zoidberg could have left the company in between, especially after the shock during the time with the first crew encountering Möbius Dick he might very well could have taken a few years off trying to come to terms with what happened, or maybe he regularly takes a few years of absence every few decades. He might very well keep all his sick-days and holidays piled up for that. It's not like he's having a great social life. And maybe his years with PE get recounted in Hermes' bureaucratic order.
Maybe that way it's easier to cheat Zoidberg out of retirement funds or health care.
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« Reply #168 on: 08-21-2011 16:21 »

Otis:

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He probably did indeed forget or hope that being put in an artificial coma would help the Hypermalaria effects to not bother him, since he'd be out anyway.

That could count for Zoidberg too. If the Professor is already in a coma, Hypermalaria wouldn't have to big affects on him (especially since coma is one of the effects). Thus he'd only die eventually, but not suffer the effects beforehand. It would be more like dying in his sleep.


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I don't think turning into a yeti would wake you up if you're put in an artificial coma that is meant to leave you be asleep for the rest of your "life" no matter what happens.

Dr Zoidberg could forget as well as a convenient way to explain this, sure. As stated perhaps Hypermalaria wouldn’t have an effect on the Professor in that state, but it still seems a bit uncertain to me. If that coma is intended to be strong enough to endure all illnesses then maybe then it is buyable, but we don’t really know for sure if Hypermalaria was accounted for, which is why I say it seems a bit wishy-washy to me...

As for the yeti thing, turning into a yeti seems to be quite a big deal to me. If they really took precautions against every eventually including turning into a yeti then they’d have made the sleeping chambers bigger to accommodate yeti forms if such an event occurred. They didn’t though, which leads me to believe that such an ordeal hasn’t been accounted for, and therefore I think that there would be quite a strong possibility he’d wake up in that event. Usually the bigger an animal is, the bigger the dosage of drugs is required, so using that theory I doubt that the power used to keep a human in an artificial coma would be the same as on a yeti...
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« Reply #169 on: 08-21-2011 16:23 »

If decapitation, dismembering and other such things are not a big deal in the future, I don't see how turning into a yeti would be.
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« Reply #170 on: 08-21-2011 16:23 »

Maybe Zoidberg knew about the Near Death Star's standard mercy killing offering?  So it would be all right to just leave him there.
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« Reply #171 on: 08-21-2011 16:25 »

If decapitation, dismembering and other such things are not a big deal in the future, I don't see how turning into a yeti would be.

I meant a big deal medically in terms of the power the artificial coma would have to be...
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« Reply #172 on: 08-21-2011 16:26 »

The way the Were Yeti was handled just felt way too much like a Deus Ex Machina.  They could easily have just had Mom have the antidote all along.  A drop of Yeti blood could contain an antibody that resists the maleria or something.   After all, yeti blood is expensive and human soldiers are not, so I can't see Mom squandering her precious yeti blood on something as trivial as human beings.   It would fit into Mom's sociopathic, morally bankrupt personality  that she kept the secret on the cure from thos yammering doomed hired cannon fodder and had them thinking that the disease was a death sentence.
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« Reply #173 on: 08-21-2011 16:27 »

Svip: good point. Zoidberg being a doctor surely could mean he knows a thing or two about the NDS.

Otis: maybe so, but maybe the machines are also adjusted to detect if someone is about to wake up (for whatever reason) and quickly adjust the dosage to keep them in the coma. Considering what else is possible in the future such a task should be more simple than not.
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« Reply #174 on: 08-21-2011 16:30 »

Otis: maybe so, but maybe the machines are also adjusted to detect if someone is about to wake up (for whatever reason) and quickly adjust the dosage to keep them in the coma. Considering what else is possible in the future such a task should be more simple than not.

Do they adjust the size of the sleeping chambers as well?...
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« Reply #175 on: 08-21-2011 16:32 »

Iirc there was quite some space left in the chamber around the Professor. After all the chambers have to be build for really big people too.

Or if not the chamber would slightly burst, the robots alarmed and they could deal with a yeti in a coma.
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« Reply #176 on: 08-21-2011 16:42 »

Now wouldn't it be ironic if several old people in a row all turned all into yeti's at the same time and there was no room for their sleeping chambers to burst, the consequences don't bear thinking about...

This whole scenario has also brought me onto another possibility. As unlikely as it would be, imagine if the Professor had turned into a yeti while he was in his sleeping chamber before he had been rescued by Fry, Leela, Bender, and Cubert. Imagine their shock when they’d have opened up Professor Farnsworth’s sleeping chamber and were greeted with a yeti instead!...

It could theoretically have happened. I wonder what they'd have done then? Obviously none of them would have been the wiser, so I guess they'd have returned home empty handed, then told the rest of the Planet Express Crew they saw a yesti instead, and then maybe then Dr Zoidberg would have put two and two together and realised what had happened. I guess then it would be another trip to the Near Death Star along with the yeti blood from Mom. Could you imagine what a WTF moment that would have been for all us viewers if that’s what actually happened in that episode? hmpf...
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« Reply #177 on: 08-21-2011 16:44 »

Now wouldn't it be ironic if several old people in a row all turned all into yeti's at the same time and there was no room for their sleeping chambers to burst, the consequences don't bear thinking about...

Death by suffocation paired with a side order of crushing.
No seriously, I'd imagine the bones to crush and probably a few to die of a fractured rip slicing the heart/liver/lung killing those people.
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« Reply #178 on: 08-21-2011 17:11 »

Another thing I've realised is that in Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love Dr Zoidberg was more than willing to fuck Edna knowing full well it would have caused him to die and then he wouldn't have been able to carry out his promise to the Professor hmpf...
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« Reply #179 on: 08-21-2011 17:13 »

I'm starting to think two things:

This ep isn't canon.

The writers/producers/directors/whatever have fucked up big time.
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« Reply #180 on: 08-21-2011 17:16 »

Eh, canon is pretty fluid in teh Futurama verse.   We've seen plenty of wheels, and Leela uses and mentions the "steering wheel" all the time, so it seems pretty bonkers that the crew would forget what one is.

I'm pretty sure Mom saw the Professor in Fishful of Dollars, but no squirrels were jammed into anyone.

Pllus Otis, hornyness is like anger, it's a temporary state of madness.  And Zoidberg had it ramped up to eleven million. 
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« Reply #181 on: 08-21-2011 17:38 »

Danny: bullshit. This episode is canon.
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« Reply #182 on: 08-21-2011 17:46 »
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Pllus Otis, hornyness is like anger, it's a temporary state of madness.  And Zoidberg had it ramped up to eleven million.  

What about in 30% Iron Chef when Dr Zoidberg tried stabbing himself with the sword? Sure his shell stopped it, but he didn't seem to realise this until after he'd tried hmpf...
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« Reply #183 on: 08-21-2011 17:47 »

Pllus Otis, hornyness is like anger, it's a temporary state of madness.  And Zoidberg had it ramped up to eleven million. 

What about in 30% Iron Chef when Dr Zoidberg tried stabbing himself with the sword? Sure his shell stepped it, but he didn't seem to realise this until after he'd tried hmpf...

Didn't you watch?  Fry did it.  Whoobawhoobawhoobwhoobwhoob.
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« Reply #184 on: 08-21-2011 17:53 »

I think it's implied that the deal is void if Zoidberg dies first.
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« Reply #185 on: 08-21-2011 18:01 »
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Pllus Otis, hornyness is like anger, it's a temporary state of madness.  And Zoidberg had it ramped up to eleven million.  

What about in 30% Iron Chef when Dr Zoidberg tried stabbing himself with the sword? Sure his shell stepped it, but he didn't seem to realise this until after he'd tried hmpf...

Didn't you watch?  Fry did it.  Whoobawhoobawhoobwhoobwhoob.

Very funny, but at the end of the day there were no hormones here, only guilt, but apparently Dr Zoidberg felt more guilty about destroying a glass bottle and framing Fry then he would about breaking his promise to the Professor, some friend no no...

I think it's implied that the deal is void if Zoidberg dies first.

That’s all well and good, except we’re not talking about causes out of his own control, we’re talking about Dr Zoidberg committing suicide. That then implies he’s selfish and would rather kill himself than honour the promise he made to the Professor, which then sort of voids the whole story behind The Tip of the Zoidberg hmpf...
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« Reply #186 on: 08-21-2011 18:03 »

Or maybe Zoidberg is just an idiot...
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« Reply #187 on: 08-21-2011 18:05 »

Continuity in futurama is quite bad, Zoidberg is shown to be a small bipedal version of himself when he was a child in the Harold Zoid ep, then in TMLH he goes through all these weird things.

Basically it's a tv show! It's not that important.
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« Reply #188 on: 08-21-2011 18:12 »

On rewatching, this episode definitely had the highest GPM of any in 6a or 6b.  I personally liked the story, but regardless, a truly funny episode compensates for breaking any continuity.
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« Reply #189 on: 08-21-2011 18:15 »

Another thing I've realised is that in Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love Dr Zoidberg was more than willing to fuck Edna knowing full well it would have caused him to die and then he wouldn't have been able to carry out his promise to the Professor hmpf...

And when you are guided by your boner, you certainly don't think about the bigger consequences, do you?
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« Reply #190 on: 08-21-2011 18:18 »

Been there, done that, by which I mean I did actually did think of the bigger consequences and didn't go through with it on this particular occasion. It's already been talked about in detail in an old Off-Topic thread though...
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« Reply #191 on: 08-21-2011 18:19 »

That's great, because you are human.  Zoidberg clearly showed behaviour of being uncontrollable.
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« Reply #192 on: 08-21-2011 18:21 »

Well, even if we let him off for being horny, he wasn't horny when he tried committing suicide with the sword...
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« Reply #193 on: 08-21-2011 18:21 »

Danny: bullshit. This episode is canon.

A lot of other points and facts from other eps go against it.
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« Reply #194 on: 08-21-2011 18:24 »

Well, even if we let him off for being horny, he wasn't horny when he tried committing suicide with the sword...

So?  I don't doubt Zoidberg for being willing to give up at times.  Even if it meant he could not live up to his promise to Farnsworth.

Danny: bullshit. This episode is canon.

A lot of other points and facts from other eps go against it.

Such as?  All Otis has mentioned are issues, not contradictions.
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« Reply #195 on: 08-21-2011 18:29 »

Read the thread for a bunch of them. Mostly the last few pages.
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« Reply #196 on: 08-21-2011 18:30 »

I have, but they were issues, not contradictions.
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« Reply #197 on: 08-21-2011 18:30 »

I never mentioned the word contradictions.
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« Reply #198 on: 08-21-2011 18:31 »

But it needs to be contradictions before it can 'go against' another episode.
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« Reply #199 on: 08-21-2011 18:31 »

Zoidberg is an idiot, and canon is often bent when the writers want it for a joke or a storyline.  
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