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SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #160 on: 08-07-2011 01:22 »

Slave monkeys, a descendant of the Albino Shouting Gorillas.

Probably not monkeys, since the Professor likes frying their brains in his devices, then making Amy clean up the corpses too much to use them for such mundane purposes.  Maybe some sort of sentient anteater.
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« Reply #161 on: 08-07-2011 01:24 »
« Last Edit on: 08-07-2011 01:27 »

On the first Firefly ep, doesn't everyone hide in various corners of the ship when the reavers go by? It's possible the other crew did that before being killed and strung up. I doubt they'd be chilling in plain sight at the table.

As for Sailor Moon, maybe they got the idea for the anime segment or Amy's design from that line? Stuff like that happens a lot.
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« Reply #162 on: 08-07-2011 01:28 »

On the first Firefly ep, doesn't everyone hide in various corners of the ship when the reavers go by? It's possible the other crew did that before being killed and strung up. I doubt they'd be chilling in plain sight at the table.



Its a reference to the Mary Celeste, as peple have pointed out.  The ship was found floating in the Bermuda Triangle completely deserted of its passengers and crew (including the captain's wife and two year old daughter), with the tables set for a meal.   I have heard there were several other ships in the Triangle found with a similar scenario.
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« Reply #163 on: 08-07-2011 02:06 »
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Now why didn't the whale instantly fall down to Earth as soon as it appeared in the sky? That's what gravity does isn't it?...

Actually, I'd hazard a guess that data on how gravitational fields actually effect 4-dimensional space whales is rather sparse, so who's to say.

I'll let it slide because although it wasnít explained, yourself and Jezzem have pointed out that not much is known about four dimensional Space Wales. What prompted the question though was that after it floats down it stops, and then suddenly gravity takes hold and it crashes down through the wall of the Planet Express Building. It seemed odd to me that at first there was no apparent force of gravity, and then suddenly there was. Iíll just go with it as Iím sure there's an explanation...

Something else I forget to mention earlier, the sound in this ep, I mean the music was great wasn't it? It really helped create that mystic atmosphere. The scenes with the Space Whale had such good sound and the sound effects for the Space Whale were perfect too. Given Futurama's lower music budget I was very impressed that it didn't seem to hinder this episodes quality in any way!...
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« Reply #164 on: 08-07-2011 02:58 »

On the first Firefly ep, doesn't everyone hide in various corners of the ship when the reavers go by? It's possible the other crew did that before being killed and strung up. I doubt they'd be chilling in plain sight at the table.



Its a reference to the Mary Celeste, as peple have pointed out.  The ship was found floating in the Bermuda Triangle completely deserted of its passengers and crew (including the captain's wife and two year old daughter), with the tables set for a meal.   I have heard there were several other ships in the Triangle found with a similar scenario.

No, I got that, but I was just responding to Svip's criticism of the Firefly episode's logic.
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« Reply #165 on: 08-07-2011 06:02 »

the soundtrack these past two seasons has yet to hinder the show yet, and that is an accomplishment when you have a tight budget. good job, futurama!
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« Reply #166 on: 08-07-2011 06:26 »

Wow. I am actually quite surprised at the ratings people gave this episode. Usually when a thread is at page 2 and the episode hasn't even finished airing in my time zone that's a bad sign heh.

So I guess I will be the outcast here. Didn't like it. Thought it was dull and bit tedious. I did like the Firefly setup where they discover the empty wreckage of ships floating by, and then walk over and see the food hasn't been touched, just like with the Reavers. Very ominous and I was excited that the story was about to get good. Ehhh...I was wrong.

These jokes aren't funny. There are two I did laugh out loud at: Amy's Dad and his value of money over his disappeared daughter: "Ha! You just lost a sale!" and Scruffy's one-liner of "Yeah. That'll hold up to scrutiny" in response to explanation for the episode. And I did enjoy one sight gag like crazy: Bender's roll of toilet paper that he runs out to use as a telescope.

It just...was....boring. I found the concept lame, probably because the jokes really sucked. I hate it when the crew doesn't get to interract with anyone else. I liked the last scene because at least we had that interaction with other characters, but up until the third act I was quite disappointed.

For these reasons I give it the worst grade imaginable...a 6/10! tongue

Now to spend a few hours reading everyone else's comments, depending on how long they are. 
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« Reply #167 on: 08-07-2011 06:29 »

I agree future, I felt extremely disappointed by this episode after reading all the rave reviews.  I really wanted to like this episode because I really loved the whale, and there were some good moments, (my favorite is Amy's moment of badassery when she looks that space whale in the eye and harpoons it) and there werew a few good lines, but I kept thinking that I was watching a different episode to everyone else. 
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« Reply #168 on: 08-07-2011 06:36 »

I agree future, I felt extremely disappointed by this episode after reading all the rave reviews.  I really wanted to like this episode because I really loved the whale, and there were some good moments, (my favorite is Amy's moment of badassery when she looks that space whale in the eye and harpoons it) and there werew a few good lines, but I kept thinking that I was watching a different episode to everyone else. 

didn't you like 'yo leela leela'?
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« Reply #169 on: 08-07-2011 06:37 »

I agree future, I felt extremely disappointed by this episode after reading all the rave reviews.  I really wanted to like this episode because I really loved the whale, and there were some good moments, (my favorite is Amy's moment of badassery when she looks that space whale in the eye and harpoons it) and there werew a few good lines, but I kept thinking that I was watching a different episode to everyone else.  

I totally agree, but I've gotten some heat for it in the "Down! Bad Episode! (Worst Episode Discussion)" thread.
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« Reply #170 on: 08-07-2011 06:42 »
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I agree future, I felt extremely disappointed by this episode after reading all the rave reviews.  I really wanted to like this episode because I really loved the whale, and there were some good moments, (my favorite is Amy's moment of badassery when she looks that space whale in the eye and harpoons it) and there werew a few good lines, but I kept thinking that I was watching a different episode to everyone else.  

I totally agree, but I've gotten some heat for it in the "Down! Bad Episode! (Worst Episode Discussion)" thread.
I agree future, I felt extremely disappointed by this episode after reading all the rave reviews.  I really wanted to like this episode because I really loved the whale, and there were some good moments, (my favorite is Amy's moment of badassery when she looks that space whale in the eye and harpoons it) and there werew a few good lines, but I kept thinking that I was watching a different episode to everyone else.  

didn't you like 'yo leela leela'?

I did.  I keep wondering if I watched two totally different episodes, since everyone else seems to love/hate them.  I didnt think Yo Leela Leela was that bad, (the ending was too garbled for me) but I find it has much better jokes then Mobius, especially in the first act (the reveal is when the episode started to slide).

I know Superchick, its really strange.  I am going to watch the episode a third time, and hope I'll stop missing what everyone is gushing about it.  Mind you, I absolutely loved Neutopia, which is mostly disliked or ignored by the peelers.

I was also disappointed that Bender didn't have a crowd of hookerbots mourning him.  "Bender honey we loved you!"  That would have been awesome.
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« Reply #171 on: 08-07-2011 06:49 »

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I know Superchick, its really strange.  I am going to watch the episode a third time, and hope I'll stop missing what everyone is gushing about it.  Mind you, I absolutely loved Neutopia, which is mostly disliked or ignored by the peelers.

I thought Neutopia was funny too, I loved the genderless depictions of everyone.  I guess I'll watch Mobius again.  Maybe it just went over my head the first time.
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« Reply #172 on: 08-07-2011 06:58 »

Hi Kids!

Sorry haven't been around much.
They haven't put me in the show this year!!!!!
Ha HA ha!!!

Really liked this episode.
So much I needed to comment.
Ha Ha HA!

In the Triangle the old ships there was the 2001 Space ship, sorry I don't recall the name.
Also the monolith, with a corner chewed off.

I liked Amy's joke about the Chinese movie 'The Joy Luck Club'
"....when there's no joy, no luck and she's going to have to quit the club"

When they space walked to the old planet express ship, there was a large hole in the hull just outside the mess/wardroom where the food was left on the table. Wouldnt the food be sucked out the hole or frozen?


Well gotta go kids.

Love
Momm





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« Reply #173 on: 08-07-2011 07:57 »

I agree as stated earlier by I think Svip then Gorky that that ending scene reminded me of Fry and Yivo, specifically that there are pink tentacle like things surrounding her and she is one with the creature.

Also, is it just me or has Leela gotten more impulsive over time? Svip mentioned to not mention the popcorn delivery of ABBFT but that made me think that she has had impulsive tendencies before. Her "what if" scenario of becoming more impulsive has come full circle.
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« Reply #174 on: 08-07-2011 08:06 »

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By the way, what happened to the ship?  I am guessing they are
going to have to build yet another one.
It's nice to know they're still inspired by the Trek franchise big grin
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« Reply #175 on: 08-07-2011 08:09 »


Liked it a lot, I did.  The animation and the score were great.  The eye-rollingly lame pop culture ref jarred me out of my happy space for a moment, though.  Also, the "piling on" gag was old and unfunny ten episodes ago and even less enjoyable now.

8/10 (but I accidentally chose 7/10).

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« Reply #176 on: 08-07-2011 09:13 »

On the first Firefly ep, doesn't everyone hide in various corners of the ship when the reavers go by? It's possible the other crew did that before being killed and strung up. I doubt they'd be chilling in plain sight at the table.



Its a reference to the Mary Celeste, as peple have pointed out.  The ship was found floating in the Bermuda Triangle completely deserted of its passengers and crew (including the captain's wife and two year old daughter), with the tables set for a meal.

We already discussed how stories of the Mary Celeste being found in the Bermuda Triangle is untrue, including the tables being set for a meal.

I have heard there were several other ships in the Triangle found with a similar scenario.

There has not.

On the first Firefly ep, doesn't everyone hide in various corners of the ship when the reavers go by? It's possible the other crew did that before being killed and strung up. I doubt they'd be chilling in plain sight at the table.

But even if they were hiding in corners, the Reavers would still have to bring them out into the open to get them down to the sealed cargo area; I am certain some of them would have put up a struggle, unless the Reavers cleaned up after them.

The point is, if there is no sign of a struggle then it doesn't sound like Reavers to me.
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« Reply #177 on: 08-07-2011 09:36 »
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I was quite unexited by the -let's generously call it- "solution".

Leela's obsession with her mission was the mysterious, underlying obsession?
When starship captains were mentioned as the most obsessed persons, of course it's their mission you think of they are obsessed with (what else should it be)

Means: Leela was obsessed about the same way you would expect from any other starship captain. So you do not really see any special aspects concerning Leela's obesession that could satisfactorily serve as a solution.

I would have liked a solution that would have shown a bit more of a difference to the previous captains:
E.g. Leela being the first captain to overcome her obsession, transfering the command to Fry. On whom -having a much more "relaxed" attitude towards duty- the whale would have starved. (I do not mean that I'd see this as a perfect ending: I just wanted to give an example what I mean by "acting REALLY different than the previous captains". And I would have bought the "No captain usually would give up command in a situation like this" as a precedence compared to the other captains)
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« Reply #178 on: 08-07-2011 10:20 »
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@Svip: There was blood all over the outside of the ships. What's more frightening, signs of a struggle with food everywhere and broken tables and stuff, or everything in its place as though nothing is missing, except the people? It is the mystery and fear of the unknown. This is a pretty sizable issue that's been brought up, perhaps we should take it to the Firefly thread big grin  
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« Reply #179 on: 08-07-2011 13:51 »

Wow. I am actually quite surprised at the ratings people gave this episode. Usually when a thread is at page 2 and the episode hasn't even finished airing in my time zone that's a bad sign heh.

So I guess I will be the outcast here. Didn't like it. Thought it was dull and bit tedious.

I agree future, I felt extremely disappointed by this episode after reading all the rave reviews.  I really wanted to like this episode because I really loved the whale, and there were some good moments, (my favorite is Amy's moment of badassery when she looks that space whale in the eye and harpoons it) and there werew a few good lines, but I kept thinking that I was watching a different episode to everyone else. 

I totally agree, but I've gotten some heat for it in the "Down! Bad Episode! (Worst Episode Discussion)" thread.

Interesting observation, youíre all girls. Now I know other girls loved the ep as confirmed earlier in this very review thread, but I havenít seen one page with so much negativity towards this ep until this one, and I noticed itís all coming from the female species. I wonder if something about the plot didnít appeal to all of you as much. I also predicted in the speculation thread that "Perhaps the concepts appeal more to the male demographic." out of the eps left, especially this one, but Gorky soon shot me down...

Regardless I would be most interested to see a male only poll and a female only poll for this episode and see how they compared...
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« Reply #180 on: 08-07-2011 19:52 »
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Ah, but you see Gorky is really a dude.





....As am I! dun dun DUNNNNN

Haha. But really no, she's not. I don't think. I'll have to examine her/it to be sure shifty

I don't know but I just did not like it. I asked Derek what he thought (a male, I have evidence to prove this), and he said he'd give it a 7. He liked the lead up and the ending, but did not care for the "whale parts" is what he told me.

For an awesome concept like a fourth dimensional creature, I think they missed out on some gems of what could have been. Although I did love the many dancing chanting Benders big grin

What offput me from this episode is that it was boring. There was no emotional attachment. And there doesn't have to be, so long as the comedy makes up for it, which it didn't (I pointed out in my first post exactly which jokes landed with me). Oh, I did enjoy Professor's "you chose to imagine him with hair" line haha.

Compare this to say, TLPJF which also had a time travel theme. The emotion was there, AND it was funny. Double win.

I just didn't understand the point. I wasted 21 minutes watching a story of how Leela was "obsessed" with a whale, and she is the whale, and the old crew was stuck in them. Really? Okay...it mixes well with overriding theme that Professor's crew gets sent to their deaths often by space creatures (like the bees), I can appreciate that. But everything else...eh.

I mean, Yo Leela Leela is one of the worst I have seen. I gave it a 1 or a 2. I gave this one a 6. So it was more tolerable to watch, but just dull to me. I kept waiting for it to be over.
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« Reply #181 on: 08-07-2011 20:53 »

Interesting Fact: The Planet in which they picked up the Monument from was called 'Xenotaph 3'.

A Cenotaph is an "empty tomb" or a monument erected in honour of a person or group of people whose remains are elsewhere.
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« Reply #182 on: 08-07-2011 21:11 »

Obscure pun: the planet that makes monuments to the dead was named "Xenotaph."
 
A cenotaph is "an empty tomb; a sepulchral monument erected in honour of a deceased person whose body is elsewhere."
 
and xeno, prefix meaning alien.



Also, I'm a guy and disliked the episode.
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« Reply #183 on: 08-07-2011 21:40 »

oops, my bad.
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« Reply #184 on: 08-07-2011 21:44 »

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Interesting observation, youíre all girls. Now I know other girls loved the ep as confirmed earlier in this very review thread, but I havenít seen one page with so much negativity towards this ep until this one, and I noticed itís all coming from the female species. I wonder if something about the plot didnít appeal to all of you as much. I also predicted in the speculation thread that "Perhaps the concepts appeal more to the male demographic." out of the eps left, especially this one, but Gorky soon shot me down...

Regardless I would be most interested to see a male only poll and a female only poll for this episode and see how they compared...

Interesting observation.  Maybe us ladies are more sensitive when Leela acts like a total psycho.
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« Reply #185 on: 08-07-2011 21:49 »

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Interesting observation, youíre all girls. Now I know other girls loved the ep as confirmed earlier in this very review thread, but I havenít seen one page with so much negativity towards this ep until this one, and I noticed itís all coming from the female species. I wonder if something about the plot didnít appeal to all of you as much. I also predicted in the speculation thread that "Perhaps the concepts appeal more to the male demographic." out of the eps left, especially this one, but Gorky soon shot me down...

Regardless I would be most interested to see a male only poll and a female only poll for this episode and see how they compared...

Interesting observation.  Maybe us ladies are more sensitive when Leela acts like a total psycho.

woman do have a tendency to actually believe that they aren't all batshit crazy. when will they learn?
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« Reply #186 on: 08-07-2011 22:03 »

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Interesting observation, youíre all girls. Now I know other girls loved the ep as confirmed earlier in this very review thread, but I havenít seen one page with so much negativity towards this ep until this one, and I noticed itís all coming from the female species. I wonder if something about the plot didnít appeal to all of you as much. I also predicted in the speculation thread that "Perhaps the concepts appeal more to the male demographic." out of the eps left, especially this one, but Gorky soon shot me down...

Regardless I would be most interested to see a male only poll and a female only poll for this episode and see how they compared...

Interesting observation.  Maybe us ladies are more sensitive when Leela acts like a total psycho.

woman do have a tendency to actually believe that they aren't all batshit crazy. when will they learn?


We will learn when men stop driving us to be batshit crazy...  wtf?
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« Reply #187 on: 08-07-2011 22:08 »
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We will learn when men stop driving us to be batshit crazy...
Now, now...don't go all MŲbius-Dick-Leela on him big grin

Okay, but kidding aside:
a) Welcome here.
b) I'm a man (of modest 38 years), and the OC Leela was also my major point of criticism. Dislike for this episode is  certainly not a gender-specific point (or age-specific, remembering the accusation that only kids disklike this episode)...wink
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« Reply #188 on: 08-07-2011 22:10 »

What I want to know is, how could Leela be that obsessed with the whale when there was sooo much cleaning that needed done on the ship and supper hadn't even been started yet?
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« Reply #189 on: 08-07-2011 22:34 »

We will learn when men stop driving us to be batshit crazy...  wtf?

Now now, you can't blame men for that. I've known plenty of crazy lesbians.

I don't quite understand why people can honestly say they dislike an episode of Futurama that's got a hardcore sci-fi premise, Leela going apeshit (although somewhat out of character in that she should be trying to protect the whale), a callback to the fact that all the professor's other crews have died horribly or gone missing in action, and some truly fantastic animation.

I can understand it not being your favourite, but, really, dislike?

In addition, there are literary and science-fiction references, historical and pop-culture references (that don't feel too out of place), and more general wierdness from Zoidberg.

It's pretty classic Futurama, really. I can forgive it its flaws (and there are a few, I'll admit that. It's not perfect by any means) for the polished job that they did of making me forget about the extreme suckitude of the previous episode.

For me, this episode holds up well against the original run, even with the bizarre resolution and Leela's increasingly strange characterisation. It was necessary for the advancement of the plot that these things happen, so they happened. I can accept that, in much the same way I've come to accept some of the stuff in BWABB. Plot. Railroad. Point A to Point B. If the plot that these things serve turns out to provide some decent spaceship sequences, futuristic hijinks, and maybe even some advancement of the Fry/Leela relationship aspect of the show, then it's a plot that I can accept, and by extension I can accept the rough edges of it.
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« Reply #190 on: 08-07-2011 22:37 »

omg I swear tnuk's avatar blunk. It happens once a minute. This is crazy.
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« Reply #191 on: 08-07-2011 22:38 »
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Pft. Animated avatars aren't allowed on PEEL.

The file is a flat .png - no blink animation there. Download it and expand it in GIMP if you don't believe me.
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« Reply #192 on: 08-07-2011 22:46 »

Whoa wth now it's not blinking. Ugh my eyes are playing tricks on me.
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« Reply #193 on: 08-07-2011 22:49 »

Don't drink and post if you can't handle it tongue
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« Reply #194 on: 08-07-2011 23:26 »

Lesson learned, although now I have something to work towards. Thanks!
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« Reply #195 on: 08-07-2011 23:29 »

I may or may not be female.  :P  

I'm going with Gorky.  The Whale was awesome, but not as awesome as it could have been.  I also felt the ending was... just.  Odd.  Feeds on obsession? I think they should have spent less time setting up the episode, and more time hunting the whale/inside the whale.  The ending just felt too rushed for me.   If it had more jokes, the episode would have been perfect for me.
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« Reply #196 on: 08-08-2011 00:19 »

I may or may not be female.  :P 

I'm going with Gorky.  The Whale was awesome, but not as awesome as it could have been.  I also felt the ending was... just.  Odd.  Feeds on obsession? I think they should have spent less time setting up the episode, and more time hunting the whale/inside the whale.  The ending just felt too rushed for me.   If it had more jokes, the episode would have been perfect for me.

A lot of episodes feel like this to me. At least the endings feel rushed. But honestly they are pretty good about getting everything set up pretty quickly, so the second act is usually the best and doesn't feel rushed.

I forgot to mention one of my favourite little touches-The part when Zoidberg is flying back to NNY in the escape pod..there is a little Star Wars-like Theme thrown in there by Christopher Tyng. smile

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« Reply #197 on: 08-08-2011 00:30 »

I may or may not be female.  :P  

Suuuuuure tongue...

Also, I don't get the complaints about lack of humour. I thought it was a funny episode. Not funniest ever, but there were so many great one liners. Also, Dr Zoidberg was just brilliant, totally hilarious!...
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« Reply #198 on: 08-08-2011 03:42 »

I really hope I do turn out to be male, just for sheer randomness.  But I shall bide my time.  Then we'll see, my darlings!

Zoidberg was pretty hilarious, even though the scene where he ate all the dinners didn't really make sense (lack of gravity for a start, the food being perfectly preserved in the vaccum of space, but Zoidy was able to eat it no problem, and then we see the effects of explosive decompression a few minutes later.  Still, Rule of Funny.)

I also think Amy really shined in this episode.  . She  looked that giant space whale straight in the eye, and still shot it.   That girl has balls (in the metaphorical sense, not the creepy fanart sense).  

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« Reply #199 on: 08-08-2011 04:55 »

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We will learn when men stop driving us to be batshit crazy...
Now, now...don't go all MŲbius-Dick-Leela on him big grin

Okay, but kidding aside:
a) Welcome here.
b) I'm a man (of modest 38 years), and the OC Leela was also my major point of criticism. Dislike for this episode is  certainly not a gender-specific point (or age-specific, remembering the accusation that only kids disklike this episode)...wink


LOL

I think I am going to drop out of the Mobius-gate discussion.  It's getting a little to heated for my taste!   eek
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