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5/10   -3 (2.9%)
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10/10 (Epic!)   -27 (25.7%)
Total Voters: 105

DannyJC13

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« on: 08-04-2011 23:16 »

Yup, close poll until the ep airs if you want Gopher, but I explained why it's open now. wink
JoshTheater

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« Reply #1 on: 08-05-2011 04:07 »

First act was pretty great...giant killer space whale? HOW CAN THEY GO WRONG?
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #2 on: 08-05-2011 04:09 »

Okay, I have my Snack Reserves at Optimum Level.  (almost, except my mother swiped a dr pepper can.)   So I'll be downloading this to pendrive, and watching it at a moment when my mom is distracted (she thinks I'll be spending the entire day helping her clean for two snooty friends she made who are visiting.  Half an hour of that time is Goldfish time, lady.)
JoshTheater

Space Pope
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« Reply #3 on: 08-05-2011 04:19 »

That was an even better second act. Unless the third act bombs, this is likely my favorite episode of the season so far.
coffeeBot

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« Reply #4 on: 08-05-2011 04:21 »
« Last Edit on: 08-05-2011 04:30 »

This seems like a 9 or 10/10 so far! Wow, such an improvement!
jeepdavetj

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« Reply #5 on: 08-05-2011 04:23 »

So far, so good. DON'T SCREW IT UP!  Still, kinda confused why the entire crew is along again.
Imy

Bending Unit
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« Reply #6 on: 08-05-2011 04:30 »

My excitement is off the chart big grin
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

Urban Legend
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« Reply #7 on: 08-05-2011 04:31 »

So far, so good. DON'T SCREW IT UP!  Still, kinda confused why the entire crew is along again.

Because Amy is the only one with any experience harpooning large mammals!
jeepdavetj

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« Reply #8 on: 08-05-2011 04:31 »

I am the 8. I loved it, but it went over my head on a lot. If I was smarter it would be a 10. But gotta judge at my level. Great episode. Love Zoid with hair. Didn't love Zoid as the Fonz. tongue
JoshTheater

Space Pope
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« Reply #9 on: 08-05-2011 04:31 »

Fantastic episode from start to finish.

Will talk about what I liked more in depth later, but for now

9/10
coffeeBot

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« Reply #10 on: 08-05-2011 04:33 »

My excitement was well-founded. Dare I say it, I think this was a 10/10.
This was the best we've seen Leela since TLPJF, and there were many laugh-out-loud moments.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #11 on: 08-05-2011 04:34 »

The Fourth Doctor appears two weeks in a row? Cue the "Scruffy's in every episode" talk!

But really, this episode was amazing from start to finish. I'll give it a more detailed review later, but right now, this was definitely at least Top 15 all-time quality, possibly higher. My only beef was that Leela was uber one-dimensional (ironic given the plot...).


I'm confused as to why these episode threads are being created hours prior to the episode airing... and not by an admin...

Because I make them at 11pm UK time, so in my mind, Futurama would be airing around now. Plus, I get bored.

And yes, I understand time zones....
If you understand time zones, then you'd also understand that your argument makes no logical sense whatsoever.
HezaDelSol

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« Reply #12 on: 08-05-2011 04:34 »

Way better than I expected! I enjoyed seeing the past Planet Express ship and crew. The 4th dimension was awesome and I would love to see it used more. The entire premise of the episode worked well. Would have liked to see Amy's safari flashback though.

8/10
DannyJC13

Space Pope
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« Reply #13 on: 08-05-2011 04:36 »

If you understand time zones, then you'd also understand that your argument makes no logical sense whatsoever.

Leave me alone...
Whatawut

Bending Unit
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« Reply #14 on: 08-05-2011 04:39 »

I wasn't a big fan of this episode. The first act was funny, but the second act seemed a bit far-fetched (Leela going psycho over a failed delivery? She didn't seem to mind back when she unleashed her cargo to find Alcazar). The third act's conclusion got especially weird and somewhat reminiscent of Yivo<->Fry, just the two flipped. That being said, I loved the very ending.  Finally, a funny ending!

4/10
David A

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« Reply #15 on: 08-05-2011 05:03 »

If you can't wait until the episode airs to start a review thread, then maybe you should just let someone else make the thread.  You don't get extra experience points for being the thread starter.

So far, so good. DON'T SCREW IT UP!  Still, kinda confused why the entire crew is along again.

Because Amy is the only one with any experience harpooning large mammals!

It's kind of strange that Leela would ask someone else to do the harpooning.  We are talking about a woman that owns her own harpoon.

Leela going psycho over a failed delivery? She didn't seem to mind back when she unleashed her cargo to find Alcazar.

That was back when she was still obsessed with finding out where she came from.  Now that she knows, she can be obsessed with other things instead.
coffeeBot

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« Reply #16 on: 08-05-2011 05:05 »

Because Amy is the only one with any experience harpooning large mammals!

It's kind of strange that Leela would ask someone else to do the harpooning.  We are talking about a woman that owns her own harpoon.

That was my first thought too.
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #17 on: 08-05-2011 05:12 »

Because Amy is the only one with any experience harpooning large mammals!

It's kind of strange that Leela would ask someone else to do the harpooning.  We are talking about a woman that owns her own harpoon.

That was my first thought too.

Leela is probably somewhat squeamish about harpooning anything possibly endangered or animally.   We are talking about a woman who wanted to save a muck leech that sank its fangs into her eyeball after all.   Amy on the other hand, loves nothing more then to chow down on bears called Jojo, and is presumably in on the plan to kill and eat her beloved pet Buggalo at her wedding reception.   Oh and doesn't seem to be bothered that the soft animals on her bed are the skins of genitcally engineered baby bears that were killed and stuffed full of flame retardant fluff.  

Basically if it will look cute on her duvet, or it tastes good, Amy will kill it.  
JoshTheater

Space Pope
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« Reply #18 on: 08-05-2011 05:14 »

Good theory Spacefish, but Leela did pretty aggressively stab it several times, so...no.
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #19 on: 08-05-2011 05:23 »

This episode was ALOT BETTER than i expected! I really have high hopes for the rest of the season! (except for Cold Warriors for some reason :-/) I cant Wait now! I think this was the best episode of the season so far! I have really high hopes!!! CANT WAIT FOR THE REST!!!! :DDDDD


9/10 (Aggressive Leela was a little ehhh but really funny)
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #20 on: 08-05-2011 05:27 »
« Last Edit on: 08-05-2011 05:32 by SpaceGoldfishfromWazn »

Good theory Spacefish, but Leela did pretty aggressively stab it several times, so...no.

I haven't seen it yet, but we have seen Leela has an extremely violent, sadistic streak, and her aggressive bloodlust can often overpower her maternal, feminine side, or when she is in danger (hence her crushing the Muck Leech when it was trying to eat her eyeball, inbetween bouts of crying).  Also a big part of Leela's personality is that she's a hypocrite.  She was initially shocked by the idea of eating dolphin, but was soon happily tucking in, along with suckling pig and veal.    It just seems that Amy obviously has a lot more experience as a hunter.  After all, Leela didn't really catch anything with her harpoon, besides boots.  

I think Amy coming along on missions usually makes sense (Hermes is a paperwork jockey, so I never get why he comes along) but Amy probably needs experience in the field, she is gifted in mantainance and repair, seems to have skill in hand to hand combat, and can actually pilot the ship successfully.  Plus she is the most youthful character, so it makes sense she'd want to go out into space.   She seems to spend more time sitting around and sexting up Kiff then she does helping the Professor anyway.

I'm going to go download the vid to my pendrive, and hide from my mother and her cleaning regime for half an hour to enjoy it.  Night y'all!
Imy

Bending Unit
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« Reply #21 on: 08-05-2011 05:33 »

Zoidberg? A lady's man(humanoid alien man)? Oh, I would love to see how this plays out.
JoshTheater

Space Pope
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« Reply #22 on: 08-05-2011 05:38 »

Good theory Spacefish, but Leela did pretty aggressively stab it several times, so...no.

I haven't seen it yet, but we have seen Leela has an extremely violent, sadistic streak, and her aggressive bloodlust can often overpower her maternal, feminine side, or when she is in danger (hence her crushing the Muck Leech when it was trying to eat her eyeball, inbetween bouts of crying).

Indeed, but since you haven't seen it yet, you haven't seen that at the point where she gives the harpoon to Amy she's already quite caught up in her own bloodlust and motivation to get the whale that she easily could have done it herself.

Still, I don't actually care, her handing it off to Amy was good for the Serengeti flashback gag.
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #23 on: 08-05-2011 05:40 »
« Last Edit on: 08-05-2011 05:41 »

Enjoyable episode. Even though Moby Dick was seen in the past, it was a futuristic spin so I was alright with it. I liked seeing the first crew. It was strange to see Zoidy popular but he looked good with that body redesign... not that the redesign necessarily goes with past canon Zoidy episodes but whatever. Him as Fonzie? I can dig the joke, sure, I like the Fonz, but Zoidberg as him? Part of me says it's alright, part of me thinks it's entirely out of character. Part of me wants to see more of the original crew but if they never pop up again I'd be fine with it.

Since I skipped last week, and caught up this week, I gotta say that this week's and last week's made up for the bad episode(s?) before that.
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #24 on: 08-05-2011 05:55 »

Ugh, whats with reviewers who keep their assessments of the show vague about the plot details, but then suddenly reveal the ending?  I'm the type who likes to read a review to get a feel for the episode before I watch it, and maybe adjust my expectations.   Well lesson learnt, don't read reviews again until after the show.   But I am pretty sure reviews are not supposed to give the entire plot away.  Some people use reviews as a guide to figure out whether something is worth buying/watching.
JoshTheater

Space Pope
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« Reply #25 on: 08-05-2011 05:58 »

There's a reason the thread titles for the review threads say "SPOILERS" in them, Spacefish...there's not supposed to be any limit as to what you can discuss about the episode in here. So ya, although I understand liking to see a review before watching, I recommend staying out until you've seen the episode.
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #26 on: 08-05-2011 06:02 »

There's a reason the thread titles for the review threads say "SPOILERS" in them, Spacefish...there's not supposed to be any limit as to what you can discuss about the episode in here. So ya, although I understand liking to see a review before watching, I recommend staying out until you've seen the episode.

Oh no, this wasn't on this site.  (I have been avoiding any of the lengthier posts on this page, and even if that happened, I would accept that its my fault for lurking in a page marked spoilers.)  I got spoilt by reading one of the reviews off another site.  In fact the reviewer hasn't done this before, so thats why it felt so annoying (since he talks about things like structure and content rather then the specific details of the plot... except for the ending which he says word for word.)
Jezzem

Urban Legend
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« Reply #27 on: 08-05-2011 06:30 »

Wow, this episode was really great! I was looking forward to this one and I wasn't disappointed.

I thought it had a good mix of cool sci fi stuff and silly humour, and some of the animation on the Space Wale was really awesome.

I also spotted two references to 2001 which made me happy...

I'll give this one a 9/10
coffeeBot

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #28 on: 08-05-2011 06:31 »

I just watched it again. It was THAT good.
Smarty

Professor
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« Reply #29 on: 08-05-2011 06:36 »

I really enjoyed this episode! Lots of laugh out loud humor, I didn't sense any forced jokes...the part about the fourth dimension was neat because I already know about those concepts. Just really enjoyable, top to bottom. 9/10
UnrealLegend

Urban Legend
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« Reply #30 on: 08-05-2011 06:59 »

I loved this episode. Easily the best Leela-based episode this season.

"Zoidberg had hair?" "I never said that! If you chose to imagine him like that then it's your problem!" laff

Also, the 4th dimension was really cool, and the animation on the whale was great.
Kornography

Bending Unit
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« Reply #31 on: 08-05-2011 07:23 »

Everything about this episode was great...that is all...

10/10

there, spoiler free!

Okay I lied, SPOILER ALERT: Sparky the Invisible Elf stole the show
meisterPOOP

Professor
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« Reply #32 on: 08-05-2011 07:26 »

Except for the fact that I really know now about the 4th dimension.

I found this episode to be an intellectual and literary form of singing and dancing...

With more puns and cliches that there was time for.

5/10 (any less than that and I would have never seen it).

THE ABSOLUTE WORST FUTURAMA EPISODES ARE THE ONES YOU 'NEVER' SEE

leiapadme77

Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #33 on: 08-05-2011 07:31 »

Uhhh..........what?!
confused
Very good episode. But it's gonna take like 12 more viewings...
meisterPOOP

Professor
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« Reply #34 on: 08-05-2011 08:12 »

Yeah, If you're lucky.
Fnord
Starship Captain
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« Reply #35 on: 08-05-2011 08:18 »

I also spotted two references to 2001 which made me happy...

I only spotted one (when they were inside the Bermuda Tetrahedron): the two-wheeled spaceship. There was another ship which looked like the Discovery One, but which was smoother along the sides.

Other spaceships inside the BT included ELO's spaceship (from their album covers, especially Out Of The Blue), a moon lander, Skylab, an Apollo capsule (Apollo 18?). Freeze-frame will undoubtedly turn up a lot more.

Goof: When the Planet Earth ship is being launched, it's only identified by the logo, but when we encounter it later, there's a 1 by the logo.

When Möbius Dick exhaled a plume, the shape is a self-similar fractal.

The ending is very much like Close Encounters of The Third Kind. The name "Lando" was ripped off from Star Wars, of course.

"You never said you had a first crew." Great line.

The only real Möbius-strip-like moment was when the characters are tripping in the fourth dimension, saying something, and then the vocals are reversed. (Makes you wonder whether the writers put some other lines in there, and are having fun here ...)

As a historical note: I flew from a math conference in Fort Lauderdale to Atlanta on March 13, 1998. Thus, technically, I flew through the Bermuda Triangle on Friday the 13th. Nothing happened, of course ...
flesheatingbull

Starship Captain
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« Reply #36 on: 08-05-2011 09:23 »

loved it. 9/10.

anyone else notice that fry's voice was perfect in this?
Inquisitor Hein
Liquid Emperor
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« Reply #37 on: 08-05-2011 10:49 »
« Last Edit on: 08-05-2011 11:33 »

Howdy:)
Just registered at this forum, and I would like to give my opinion.

Sorry I have to be a bit a a spoilsport (as most folks seem to really like "Moebius Dick), but imhO, this was one of the weaker Futurama Episodes:

The basic idea's background was good, but the realisation suffered some flaws:

- Leela was really out of character in this one.  The greatest animal lover of the crew goes on a revenge course against an animal? Might well be possible (concerning her temper sometimes), but imhO, it would have taken a "bigger score to settle" with the wale than just the ship being damaged (which didn't happen for the first time, after all).

- "Moby Dick" is a classic. A bit more references than just "Captain has a score to settle with white wale" would have been nice. (Some reference to Queequeg und Elias, maybe. It you go for a classic, I would expect so in a bit more detailed way. At least when most of the story plays in the Moby Dick Setting).

The solutions could have been:

- If you want to have Leela in command: She should have been given a bigger, more meaningful reason for revenge.
- Put Leela out of command and reduce her to pilot for this mission. Farnsworth could have been on board (as Hermes, Zoidberg and Amy were, they might well have placed the old man there as well;)). I would have considered a Farnsworth trying to avenge his fist crew more plausible than Leela trying to avange just some "ship damage" (Probably the owner would not outrank the captain on board of a ship. But in the Futurama Universe, he would probably as soon as it serves the story big grin )
totalnerduk

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« Reply #38 on: 08-05-2011 11:15 »

Goof: When the Planet Earth ship is being launched, it's only identified by the logo, but when we encounter it later, there's a 1 by the logo.

It's visible on launch.



Leela was badly out of her normal character, but this seems to have been required by the ploty, so I can more-or-less forgive it. The PX building being surrounded by farmland fifty years ago, on the other hand, is unforgivable (unless it were locatyed somewhere else before NNY). It's a continuity futz, and needs explanation if it's to be regarded as canonical, IMO.

The animation was beautifully done, but that's not enough to distract me from the flaws this episode has. I'm giving it 8/10 though. Overall, a good sci-fi idea, and a nice take on a classic novel as well. It's just that it could've been a little better.

Not much, just a little, but the room for improvement is clear.
Dorsal Axe

Bending Unit
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« Reply #39 on: 08-05-2011 12:05 »

The only real Möbius-strip-like moment was when the characters are tripping in the fourth dimension, saying something, and then the vocals are reversed. (Makes you wonder whether the writers put some other lines in there, and are having fun here ...)
I played around with the sound. Hermes's line is reversed perfectly, but I have no idea what Amy is saying. Sounds like it's probably a phonetic reversal of the "I see CGI" line.
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