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Nutmeg1729

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« Reply #160 on: 07-25-2011 15:47 »

I didn't enjoy this episode, it actually bored me a little which is surprising. There was a couple of cheap laughs in there, and the little creatures were kinda cute - but it was just overly predictable and cringeworthy at times.

I'm not going to say that it was terrible, though, because it's still more enjoyable than what I consider to be the worst episodes of Futurama, but I wouldn't readily choose to watch this one again. The orphans threw me off, the characterisation of Albert and Nina were spot on most of the time, but Sally just... I dunno, it felt like it had been changed so much from an episode they appear in that I adore.

Disappointing, not terrible.

6/10
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« Reply #161 on: 07-25-2011 16:00 »

You mean, like in Law and Oracle, where Fry becomes a cop? It is also very "Simpsons"
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« Reply #162 on: 07-25-2011 18:11 »

You mean, like in Law and Oracle, where Fry becomes a cop? It is also very "Simpsons"

Wasn't Simpsons-y. The ep was great. The overall plot and stuff was Simpsons-y, but the content inside was not.
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« Reply #163 on: 07-25-2011 18:21 »

Well, I understand nothing about your argumentation.
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« Reply #164 on: 07-25-2011 19:29 »

Futurama has numerous planets: Amazonian, Neutral, an Amsish world, a planet ruled by robots. So I don't think there is a problem with that planet.
I don't think that all in Futurama has to be sci-fi related. Otherwise it would be boring.
This was a fantasy planet, as the rest of the episode and I found that planet idea very good. I would have never think of that.
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« Reply #165 on: 07-25-2011 20:00 »

Futurama has numerous planets: Amazonian, Neutral, an Amsish world, a planet ruled by robots. So I don't think there is a problem with that planet.
I don't think that all in Futurama has to be sci-fi related. Otherwise it would be boring.
This was a fantasy planet, as the rest of the episode and I found that planet idea very good. I would have never think of that.

first off, the amazonian and neutral planet's are genius. the amish planet is terrible, and belongs in bongo comics.

i'm also not really sure what you mean by 'fantasy' planet. please elaborate, my european counterpart.
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« Reply #166 on: 07-25-2011 22:21 »

Firstly, one of the mods should move the posts about "The Cryonic Woman" to the proper thread.

To that end: I responded to your most recent post in the TCW thread, Soryn. I guess I should warn you that it's by no means as substantive as your reply to me (with which I pretty much agree), so apologies there.
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« Reply #167 on: 07-25-2011 22:52 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2011 01:15 »

This is a goof rather than bad writing.

This episode is making a joke out of how everything will be back to normal next time you see the show so it's sort of forgivable on those grounds.

It's easy enough to assume that the thud wasn't actually his head, but his arm again -although the joke is the implication that it's his head.

Not an ending I'm a fan of either to be honest, but the whole episode is marginally better than the whole of The Cryonic Woman so it doesn't get as much flack. The implication here is that people would be hurt but they'll be fine by the time you next see them. With The Cryonic Woman, it's that, plus Fry still doesn't have his job back.

No one has ever escaped before so they have no protocol in place for it.

Another ending I hate, pretty much as badly as The Cryonic Woman's. The difference is that War is the H-Word is outstanding up until that ending, so it's forgivable.

We've been led to believe that Bender can survive gigantic falls in the past though, such as the one at the start of Xmas Story. He's a robot after-all. The implication is never that he'd be killed by it. Plus, he still has his job.

That's a goof. Within the world of the show, it's fine and everything makes sense.

And? That brings us moreorless back to square one. The Professor is still the same person he was, he's just technically a few years older. The episode's story has a complete and satisfying resolution.

Yes? There's a full resolution to the show's storyline. Whether or not it's satisfying is another story, but it doesn't leave you questioning anything. Bender says reality is what you make of it, for all we know he perceives the world in that way all the time and always has done.

A great ending, one that wraps up the plot AND is funny. Two things The Cryonic Woman failed at. It doesn't leave any lasting questions or continuity problems for the future or anything of that nature.

And as far as we can tell, that's something Futurama intend to keep up along with all their other episodes that've changed continuity (characters entering relationships, Leela discovering her parents, etc).

You're also yet to see anything suggesting that they're not allowed on the surface now. All their homes and things are in the sewers and they have jobs there. They're allowed on the surface but that doesn't mean they'll all choose to hang around there all the time. They're probably too poor to afford houses on the surface.

The episode is resolved, and then it leaves you with an "It's over... or is it?" type ending suggesting that the problems will start again. The Cryonic Woman's equivalent would be if Fry had been re-hired and then him and Bender saw the keys in the spaceship left alone again, suggesting that they were going to take the ship for a spin again and that no one had learnt their lesson.

cyber_turnip, thank you for perfectly demonstrating how TCW-haters single-out "The Cryonic Woman" for their overblown criticisms and condemnations, but excuse all of the other episodes that I listed for so-called reasons as flimsy as "That is a goof..." and "The difference is that War is the H-Word is outstanding up until that ending, so it's forgivable." roll eyes

My explanations for what presumably happened off-screen after the end of "The Cryonic Woman" were far more reasonable and plausible, and utilized evidence from that episode, and plenty of other episodes. At the very least mine are better "excuses" for why TCW's ending can't be justified as the worst ever.

The worst endings of Futurama episodes are the unfunny ones -- because Futurama is first and foremost a comedy show, after all -- and in my opinion, TCW's ending IS FUNNY. It may be more slapstick than clever, but I thought it was a hilariously shocking ending, and perfectly in character for the Professor, and is similar -- in a good way -- to all of endings wherein Fry is terribly injured.

TCW's ending was much funnier and better than either of the endings for "Ghosts in the Machine" or "Yo Leela Leela", which are the two worst episodes of Futurama IMO.
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« Reply #168 on: 07-25-2011 22:53 »
« Last Edit on: 07-25-2011 23:03 »

I have problems imagining that the Slurm Queen managed to get there unnoticed. Surely there are people working backstage at these kinds of events? Wouldn't they notice something big like that? It's not like most folk wouldn't notice something squirting out Slurm like a green shower...
They've already demonstrated their willingness to go to extreme lengths (perhaps murder) to avoid exposure. Sure, it's not entirely rational. But it doesn't violate continuity.

The guy who thinks the Cyronic Woman violated and raped continuity with a chainsaw is defending this crap? Really?!?

It doesn't actively contradict anything from previous episodes, it doesn't provide any reprecussions that absolutely need to be addressed, and it seems logical to me that the Slurm Queen would occasionally travel off Wormulon to oversee her interests on other worlds. It's not like she's canning Slurm in front of the studio audience. She's there to provide a Slurming for people accepting awards. For all people know, that's all she ever does. Hell, people could be entirely unaware of her existence.

Leela getting Slurmed at an awards ceremony by the giant worm that secretly manufactures a popular drink in her behindus is not on the same level as Fry getting dropped out of a spaceship. Sure, it's not entirely rational. But the episode wasn't entirely (or at all, really) rational.

I'm not defending the episiode. I still dislike it, even after watching it again, but I see no reason for the Slurm Queen's appearance to violate continuity. Sure, I'd've preferred a giant bucket of Slurm, but the queen's appearance can be reasonably accounted for without continuity errors.

Iíve gone back and re-watched the Slurming to see if I can work out what irked me so much about my initial viewing of it. Iíve now found the gaping hole in the continuity which I must have only subconsciously took in before, but now it seems so obvious!...

When we first see the stage at the Young Peopleís Choice Awards you can see the perspective of exactly where the giant Slurm sign resides while hanging directly above the stage. When we later see the Slurm Queen Slurming Leela, her large behind hangs down far below the giant Slurn sign meaning itís in full view of the entire audience watching! Not only this, but the audience which is on the same side as the Slurm Queen will get an even bigger view of the Slurm Queen because not only is her behind hanging down, but her entire body is perched to the side of the Slurm sign meaning that anyone on that side of the audience will be able to see her entire body clearly!...

Add to that the perspective we see the Slurm Queen from which is slightly higher than the audience perspective, so with the audience being lower down this means theyíre far more likely to see the Slurm Queen just by looking underneath the giant Slurm sign as well, which theyíre bound to do when the Slurm comes gushing out of her behind...

I donít think thereís any way the Slurm Queen could remain hidden in this circumstance. In terms of continuity itís due to the fact that this is meant to be a secret which as you pointed out sheís willing to murder for, so itís completely illogical...

This could be a contender for the worst episode of Futurama ever. It probably is, because I DO NOT want to watch this episode again to confirm my initial impression of it.

I rated this 2/10.

Although I agree with you that this episode is terrible, I donít quite understand how you can claim that this probably is the worst episode ever in your opinion, but still rate it 2/10 when you already rated Ghost In The Machines 1/10 and later admitted:

"Ghosts in the Machine" was until now my worst episode ever, but I have to admit that at least it had a half-decent premise. This episode was awful from conception to airing. It never should've been made.

Yet you gave it double the score? Have your grades for Ghost In The Machines miraculously changed?...

Also, much as I love ripping on Lady Gaga, I felt Fry's joke about her was pretty clunky and could have been worded much better then fame hag.  C'mon its the future, if you are going to use her, make a reference to her being some sort of cyborg space dictator (which I can totally see her being.)

Although Iíd have much preferred her not be mentioned at all, if we must continue with these contrived pop culture references then I agree that your idea of having her be a cyborg space dictator would have been a much better way to go. Simply name dropping for pop cultures sake shouldnít qualify as a joke, it just smacks of lazy writing and lowest common denominator appeal...

I can't even think of a Simpsons episode worse than this one.

Steady on there, although I wholeheartedly agree with most of what you said, may I point you in the direction of The Simpsons episode called Lisa The Drama Queen. Itís a Season 20 episode which quite frankly was one of the most painful things Iíve ever sat through. It bored me to tears and was as dull as dishwater. Funnily enough the plot had similarities to Yo Leela Leela given the storytelling nature it had, and therefore it is quite a reasonable episode to compare to this one on those grounds. Trust me though, Iíd much rather sit through Yo Leela Leela despite it being an utterly terrible episode...

You mean, like in Law and Oracle, where Fry becomes a cop? It is also very "Simpsons"

Wasn't Simpsons-y. The ep was great. The overall plot and stuff was Simpsons-y, but the content inside was not.

Itís clear that not everyone gets what you mean by this, but if itís any consolation I certainly do. It seems pretty obvious to me so I donít understand the retaliation to your statement because itís spot on. It shouldnít need explaining really, what you said is enough Iíd have thought. The very fact that other people have claimed the very same thing proves the merit behind this statement. I guess perhaps because Iíve watched a lot of modern day Simpsons including the entirety of Season 20 I get where youíre coming from...
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« Reply #169 on: 07-25-2011 22:54 »

It’s clear that not everyone gets what you mean by this, but if it’s any consolation I certainly do. It seems pretty obvious to me so I don’t understand the retaliation to your statement because it’s spot on. It shouldn’t need explaining really, what you said is enough I’d have thought. The very fact that other people have claimed the very same thing proves the merit behind this statement. I guess perhaps because I’ve watched a lot of modern day Simpsons including the entirety of Season 20 I get where you’re coming from...

Thank you Otis. smile
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« Reply #170 on: 07-26-2011 00:02 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2011 00:15 by totalnerduk »

Otis,





I'm going to say "animation goof" on the Slurm Queen being somewhat in front of the large sign. As for "far below" I think she's meant to be at the right height for the sign to hide her.

It's not so much a continuity error (in fact it's quite obviously meant to be a continuity nod) as a sign of the lower animation budget, and the subpar quality of the episode in general.

However, based on past experiences -- and despite that this post wasn't directed at him -- I presume that totalnerduk will once again resort to posting his lame "Wrong" gif, because he's utterly incapable of defending his opinions about TCW.

I propose that as a demonstration of our mutual desire to have a reasonable, intelligent, constructive discussion about the topic of "The Cryonic Woman", everyone agree that if totalnerduk posts his "Wrong" gif again in this thread, his opinions about this episode will be invalidated and ignored henceforth, for the reason I described in the previous paragraph.

I believe that we're all entitled to our own opinions -- however, if you can't reasonably justify and defend your opinions, you can't possibly expect any one else to respect your opinions, nevermind agree with you.

It wasn't directed at me until you got to that part. Then, suddenly it became a jab at me. Nice going with the whole "keeping it civil" part, Soryn.

The fact is that whilst I'm more than capable of pulling apart your longwinded and overly complicated diatribes, it's a lot of work. There's just so much material, and only so many minutes in the day. I could probably do so whilst remaining civil, too. But responding to you is never the end of it, is it? You then resort to flaming, abuse, snark, ad hominem attacks, and generally being a dick, because you can't stand anybody disagreeing with you. It's hard to respond to that type of post without being a dick in return, and this leads to an escalation that eventually gets threads locked, posts edited, and some of them even deleted. The posts are no longer about the episode. Instead, they become back-and-forth arguments between you and whoever you've chosen to pick on this time.

The "wrong" .gif is wonderful in these circumstances because it allows me to distil everything down into one succinct word, and to let you know that not only are you wrong, you're not worth my time crafting a response to.

If it's getting to you, that's fantastic. I'll keep using it. Just bear in mind that I didn't this time, and it would have been both cruel and hilarious for me to quote your post and use a slightly different "wrong" animation to "counter" each one of your points.

I'm done discussing things with you. You're not worth it. You're a pompous and egregiously obnoxious blowhard with delusions of... perhaps not grandeur. Delusions that you actually matter, maybe? Next comment you make that mentions me directly or obliquely, I'll just come right back with another .gif file. I can knock 'em out all day.
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« Reply #171 on: 07-26-2011 00:19 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2011 00:20 »

Yeah, if you look at that last slurm queen picture, you can actually see the top of the green "C" and the beige teardrop, which are in the middle of the scene (see picture above it).
The queen was probably meant to be drawed behind the slurm sign.

Also, the teardrop now look like it's a drawing on the wall instead of a "3D" object. Though it's got a shadow ...
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« Reply #172 on: 07-26-2011 00:21 »

I like your posts Soryn, keep 'em coming!
futurefreak

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« Reply #173 on: 07-26-2011 00:39 »

Everyone:

Use this thread to discuss continuity errors from the episodes. I will probably move these posts to that thread later today when I am not busy at my other job.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #174 on: 07-26-2011 00:43 »

Everyone:

Use this thread to discuss continuity errors from the episodes. I will probably move these posts to that thread later today when I am not busy at my other job.

You'll have to split a lot of posts if you do that. Most of the posts that deal with supposed continuity errors contain at least one line about something else that's been discussed in this thread - and are on-topic for the thread in general. Perhaps best to move only the ones that don't directly address anything in Yo Leela Leela?
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« Reply #175 on: 07-26-2011 00:44 »

That was the plan! big grin
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« Reply #176 on: 07-26-2011 00:47 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2011 04:03 by futurefreak »


@TNUK...



I know youíve pointed this out already, and yes this could be an animation goof, but that would be an assumption which could be justified. Also, the animators having drawn the Slurm Queen in front on the edge of the Slurm sign as indicated above means that she must be at the side of the Slurm sign, and therefore because the side of the Slurm isnít level with the bottom of the Slurm sign this means she would be in full view of the audience, in particular the side of the audience nearest her...

This would mean that she would appear roughly hereÖ


Now to elaborate on my point that this isnít necessarily an animation goof, but in fact more a flaw in the continuity. There are three men standing on high platforms around the Slurm Queen. It appears that the Slurm Queen was lowered into position while Leela was giving her speech, which is why the Slurm Queen wasnít visible in the first shot. That would explain her being drawn in front of the edge of the Slurm sign and also justify it not being an animation goof, however it would confirm that this is a flaw in the continuity as the audience can view the Slurm Queen and learn the disgusting secret of Slurm...

Yeah, if you look at that last slurm queen picture, you can actually see the top of the green "C" and the beige teardrop, which are in the middle of the scene (see picture above it).
The queen was probably meant to be drawed behind the slurm sign.

Thatís due to perspective because we are looking at her from the side rather than face on, and also from a down angle. The "C" is further back and therefore it is correct that from that angle it would appear lower down...
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« Reply #177 on: 07-26-2011 01:10 »

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« Reply #178 on: 07-26-2011 01:22 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2011 01:44 »

This could be a contender for the worst episode of Futurama ever. It probably is, because I DO NOT want to watch this episode again to confirm my initial impression of it.

I rated this 2/10.

Although I agree with you that this episode is terrible, I donít quite understand how you can claim that this probably is the worst episode ever in your opinion, but still rate it 2/10 when you already rated Ghost In The Machines 1/10 and later admitted:

"Ghosts in the Machine" was until now my worst episode ever, but I have to admit that at least it had a half-decent premise. This episode was awful from conception to airing. It never should've been made.

Yet you gave it double the score? Have your grades for Ghost In The Machines miraculously changed?...

No, the 2/10 was my initial impression of "Yo Leela Leela". After a night's sleep and enduring the episode a second time, I concluded that it was the worst episode ever -- even worse than "Ghost in the Machines" -- so I dropped it's score down to 1/10, which is the score I listed in the "Rate Every Episode" thread.

My current scores for the three worst episodes of Futurama are as follows:

3) That's Lobstertainment: 1.2/10
2) Ghost in the Machines: 1.1/10
1) Yo Leela Leela: 1/10
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« Reply #179 on: 07-26-2011 02:26 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2011 02:40 »

I'm going to say "animation goof" on the Slurm Queen being somewhat in front of the large sign. As for "far below" I think she's meant to be at the right height for the sign to hide her.

It's not so much a continuity error (in fact it's quite obviously meant to be a continuity nod) as a sign of the lower animation budget, and the subpar quality of the episode in general.

So when impeached by visual proof that the Slurm Queen was clearly visible to the audience of the Young People's Choice Awards, which is an irrefutable breach of continuity since the Slurm Queen previously demonstrated that she would stop at nothing to keep her product's disgusting secret secret, you dismiss it as an "animation goof" and blame Futurama's supposedly lower animation budget, all because you can't admit to being wrong. roll eyes

However, based on past experiences -- and despite that this post wasn't directed at him -- I presume that totalnerduk will once again resort to posting his lame "Wrong" gif, because he's utterly incapable of defending his opinions about TCW.

I propose that as a demonstration of our mutual desire to have a reasonable, intelligent, constructive discussion about the topic of "The Cryonic Woman", everyone agree that if totalnerduk posts his "Wrong" gif again in this thread, his opinions about this episode will be invalidated and ignored henceforth, for the reason I described in the previous paragraph.

I believe that we're all entitled to our own opinions -- however, if you can't reasonably justify and defend your opinions, you can't possibly expect any one else to respect your opinions, nevermind agree with you.

It wasn't directed at me until you got to that part. Then, suddenly it became a jab at me. Nice going with the whole "keeping it civil" part, Soryn.

The fact is that whilst I'm more than capable of pulling apart your longwinded and overly complicated diatribes, it's a lot of work. There's just so much material, and only so many minutes in the day.

Sure you are. But you can't be bothered. roll eyes

Just like here:

I can't be bothered to re-read the whole thread again and find out who. But I have a feeling it's the guy who's been posting immensely long and pontificating rants about how much he hates certain episodes and feels that The Cryonic Woman was better.

So your excuse for why you refuse to write a proper rebuttle is that you're admittedly lazy, which is why you resort to posting your lame "Wrong" gif instead. roll eyes

Thank you for proving my point with your own admissions, totalnerduk.

The "wrong" .gif is wonderful in these circumstances because it allows me to distil everything down into one succinct word, and to let you know that not only are you wrong, you're not worth my time crafting a response to.

Wrong, it's a wonderful exemplar of how you are utterly incapable of defending your opinions about "The Cryonic Woman"; and distils your flimsy criticisms of TCW into one lame image.

If it's getting to you, that's fantastic. I'll keep using it. Just bear in mind that I didn't this time, and it would have been both cruel and hilarious for me to quote your post and use a slightly different "wrong" animation to "counter" each one of your points.

Go ahead, keep using it. I actually enjoy seeing your name followed by "wrong" over and over again, watching you make an utter fool of yourself by obliviously admitting to being WRONG in big, red, poorly scribbled letters. I couldn't agree more with your gif. laff

I'm done discussing things with you. You're not worth it. You're a pompous and egregiously obnoxious blowhard with delusions of... perhaps not grandeur. Delusions that you actually matter, maybe? Next comment you make that mentions me directly or obliquely, I'll just come right back with another .gif file. I can knock 'em out all day.

What "discussion"? You already admitted that you can't be bothered to "discuss" or argue this topic against me. And you're the one who has resorted to blatant and unprovoked insults, not me.

Don't you get it!? I want you to resort to using your lame gif, because it will henceforth invalidate your opinions about "The Cryonic Woman" by demonstrating that you're uttelry incapable of defending your opinions.

I will take wicked satisfaction if and when you post that lame gif again.
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« Reply #180 on: 07-26-2011 02:33 »

cyber_turnip, thank you for perfectly demonstrating how TCW-haters single-out "The Cryonic Woman" for their overblown criticisms and condemnations, but excuse all of the other episodes that I listed for so-called reasons as flimsy as "That is a goof..." and "The difference is that War is the H-Word is outstanding up until that ending, so it's forgivable." roll eyes

My explanations for what presumably happened off-screen after the end of "The Cryonic Woman" were far more reasonable and plausible, and utilized evidence from that episode, and plenty of other episodes. At the very least mine are better "excuses" for why TCW's ending can't be justified as the worst ever.

The worst endings of Futurama episodes are the unfunny ones -- because Futurama is first and foremost a comedy show, after all -- and in my opinion, TCW's ending IS FUNNY. It may be more slapstick than clever, but I thought it was a hilariously shocking ending, and perfectly in character for the Professor, and is similar -- in a good way -- to all of endings wherein Fry is terribly injured.

TCW's ending was much funnier and better than either of the endings for "Ghosts in the Machine" or "Yo Leela Leela", which are the two worst episodes of Futurama IMO.

I don't think anyone complains about The Cryonic Woman purely for its ending. It's one of many reasons why they don't like it.
I dislike the ending for War is the H-Word AND I dislike the ending to The Cryonic Woman. The rest of War is the H-Word is a fantastic episode so overall I enjoy it a great deal despite the niggling annoyance of how it ends. I dislike the ending to The Cryonic Woman and I dislike a hell of a lot of the rest of the episode, therefore my overall enjoyment is very low and the ending factors into it. I don't see how I'm picking on The Cryonic Woman unfairly there.

And of course the end of Hell is Other Robots is a goof. It's an unintentional continuity error which I doubt many people had really picked up on. Even if you ignore that, the episode's overall story is resolved. It might leave an unanswered question but its main focus is resolved. The main focus of The Cryonic Woman (or at least, one of the 2 main focuses) isn't resolved. That's the difference.


Also, I completely disagree that the worst endings of Futurama are unfunny ones. Two of the most iconic endings that I can think of off the top of my head aren't funny in the slightest -but they're absolutely wonderful. I talk, of course, of the endings to Jurassic Bark and The Luck of the Fryrish.

And personally, (and to try and keep this post on topic), I found the ending of Yo Leela Leela to be amusing. Not hilarious, but amusing. The subversion of the usual "lets learn a moral" ending of sitcoms was much funnier than Fry being dropped out of a spaceship in my opinion.
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« Reply #181 on: 07-26-2011 02:49 »

Also, I completely disagree that the worst endings of Futurama are unfunny ones. Two of the most iconic endings that I can think of off the top of my head aren't funny in the slightest -but they're absolutely wonderful. I talk, of course, of the endings to Jurassic Bark and The Luck of the Fryrish.

wtf? cyber_turnip, you really need to re-read what you wrote there.

"I completely disagree that the worst endings of Futurama are unfunny ones."

You start by disagreeing that the worst endings are the unfunny ones.

"Two of the most iconic endings that I can think of off the top of my head aren't funny in the slightest -but they're absolutely wonderful. I talk, of course, of the endings to Jurassic Bark and The Luck of the Fryrish.

Then you make the illogical leap that because the endings of "Jurassic Bark" and "The Luck of the Fryrish" aren't funny, I've inexplicably lumped them in with the worst endings of Futurama episodes!? wtf?

That is baffling.
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« Reply #182 on: 07-26-2011 03:26 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2011 03:41 by totalnerduk »

So your excuse for why you refuse to write a proper rebuttle is that you're admittedly lazy, which is why you resort to posting your lame "Wrong" gif instead. roll eyes

Incapable, am I?

So when impeached by visual proof that the Slurm Queen was clearly visible to the audience of the Young People's Choice Awards, which is an irrefutable breach of continuity since the Slurm Queen previously demonstrated that she would stop at nothing to keep her product's disgusting secret secret, you dismiss it as an "animation goof" and blame Futurama's supposedly lower animation budget, all because you can't admit to being wrong. roll eyes

Actually, it's because I think it's an animation goof. I do put a little thought into these things.

Also, I completely disagree that the worst endings of Futurama are unfunny ones. Two of the most iconic endings that I can think of off the top of my head aren't funny in the slightest -but they're absolutely wonderful. I talk, of course, of the endings to Jurassic Bark and The Luck of the Fryrish.

Totally agree. They're two of my favourite endings, and they occur without jokes, just played as straight as possible for a devastating emotional impact that's just brilliant. That's what sets Futurama apart from other shows. Heart and soul. Not everything needs to end with an "hilarious" quip.

Then you make the illogical leap that because the endings of "Jurassic Bark" and "The Luck of the Fryrish" aren't funny, I've inexplicably lumped them in with the worst endings of Futurama episodes!? wtf?

That is baffling.

It's exactly what you said, Soryn. You said the worst endings to Futurama episodes are those which aren't funny. Which means that what you're saying is that the ending to Jurassic Bark and the ending to the Luck of the Fryrish are both two of the worst.

Which is...

...

Let me find it.

* tnuk rummages.

Here it is.










Otis, I've done a quick fix on the screenshots I posted and tried to outline where I think the positions are meant to line up. The sign being behind the Slurm Queen is, I think, simply a goof... take a look at my corrected version.

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« Reply #183 on: 07-26-2011 04:15 »

I still don't get why this episode is getting so much hate. I don't even think it's the worst of this broadcast season...
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« Reply #184 on: 07-26-2011 05:28 »

I watched this episode again last night.  It gets the distinction of being the first episode I can think of that got worse on a rewatch.  I gave it a 3/10 in the poll, but I'm downgrading it to 2/10.  And it is getting deleted from the DVR.  Take that!
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« Reply #185 on: 07-26-2011 06:44 »

Soryn is one of the best posters here. he keeps it real, while many others do not.

i'd also like to reiterate the fact that i was the first to notice the diet slurm goof in this episode. like bender's eye in 'rebirth', i find goofs like that UNFORGIVABLE. that is also partially why i absolutely hate rebirth too. the episode is so bad, that the animators and everyone else that worked on the show paid no attention to even the obvious stuff.
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« Reply #186 on: 07-26-2011 06:57 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2011 07:12 »

So your excuse for why you refuse to write a proper rebuttle is that you're admittedly lazy, which is why you resort to posting your lame "Wrong" gif instead. roll eyes

Incapable, am I?

Only you, totalnerduk, are delusional enough to think that writing that post AFTER I wrote that quote would retroactively refute what I said. roll eyes

That's as idiotic as someone saying "I don't deserve to be fired for not showing up to work all last week because I arrived to work on time today."

Who am I kidding? You probably use that excuse all the time, totalnerduk. laff Be honest: Has it ever worked?

Then you make the illogical leap that because the endings of "Jurassic Bark" and "The Luck of the Fryrish" aren't funny, I've inexplicably lumped them in with the worst endings of Futurama episodes!? wtf?

That is baffling.

It's exactly what you said, Soryn. You said the worst endings to Futurama episodes are those which aren't funny. Which means that what you're saying is that the ending to Jurassic Bark and the ending to the Luck of the Fryrish are both two of the worst.

No, you and cyber_turnip merely read it that way, and made the illogical leap that I grouped all "unfunny" episodes in with the "worst" episodes. I never even mentioned "The Luck of the Fryrish" or "Jurassic Bark" -- cyber_turnip did.

You and him are blatantly trying to twist my words into implying something that I never wrote, because you're utterly incapable of refuting my opinions any other way.

It's transparent and pathetic -- but I expect nothing less from you, totalnerduk.

Otis, I've done a quick fix on the screenshots I posted and tried to outline where I think the positions are meant to line up. The sign being behind the Slurm Queen is, I think, simply a goof... take a look at my corrected version.



So, totalnerduk, you Photoshoped the image to desperately try to prove that you were right about the Slurm Queen not being visible by the audience, when the original, un-altered image clearly contradicted your opinion.

Do you really think that proves you right? roll eyes

It only proves how stubborn and delusional you are, because you can't admit to being wrong, and you think that by altering reality you can make yourself right.

If and when you get a fact wrong, do you alter the corresponding Wikipedia page?
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« Reply #187 on: 07-26-2011 07:11 »
« Last Edit on: 07-26-2011 07:44 by totalnerduk »

So your excuse for why you refuse to write a proper rebuttle is that you're admittedly lazy, which is why you resort to posting your lame "Wrong" gif instead. roll eyes

Incapable, am I?

Only you, totalnerduk, are delusional enough to think that writing that post AFTER I wrote that quote would retroactively refute what I said. roll eyes

That's as idiotic as someone saying "I don't deserve to be fired for not showing up to work all last week because I arrived to work on time today."

It's not the same at all, Soryn. I think you know that. The fact is, there's no way to refute something before it's been said, is there? You deemed me incapable of responding "properly" to your posts, and I responded by producing an actual reply point-by-point just to show that yes, I can do it.

It is in no way comparable to turning up for work after a week's unannounced and unathorised absence and claiming that doing so on time somehow absolves on of a week's worth of misconduct.

You mentioned Wikipedia before. If I were you I'd familisarise yourself with their section on logical fallacies, specifically the parts that deal with ad hominem, strawmen, reductio ad absurdum,  Affirming the Consequent, and Deductive fallacy. This is by no means an exhaustive list of your argument tactics, but covers the ones that you use most often. Can you see why I find it hard to take you seriously?

Then you make the illogical leap that because the endings of "Jurassic Bark" and "The Luck of the Fryrish" aren't funny, I've inexplicably lumped them in with the worst endings of Futurama episodes!? wtf?

That is baffling.

It's exactly what you said, Soryn. You said the worst endings to Futurama episodes are those which aren't funny. Which means that what you're saying is that the ending to Jurassic Bark and the ending to the Luck of the Fryrish are both two of the worst.

No, you and cyber_turnip merely read it that way, and made the illogical leap that I grouped all "unfunny" episodes in with the "worst" episodes. I never even mentioned "The Luck of the Fryrish" or "Jurassic Bark" -- cyber_turnip did.

You didn't mention them by name. But they're episodes without "funny" endings.  Nobody's twisting your words: just pointing out that not all episodes without a "funny" ending are among the worst of Futurama's run.

Your statement to the effect that all the episodes without a "funny" ending are the worst of Futurama's run would include these two episodes, and thus they were picked as examples of excellent episodes without "funny" endings.

So, totalnerduk, you Photoshoped the image to desperately try to prove that you were right about the Slurm Queen not being visible by the audience, when the original, un-altered image clearly contradicted your opinion.

No.

I fixed the animation goof to show that with the sign's corner in front of the Slurm Queen, it lines up nicely with the gantry, and hides her from the audience. I did this to show that I think it's an animation goof, and she's meant to be behind the sign, hidden from the audience. I believe this would have been the intention when this was scripted, as it makes the most sense.

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It only proves how stubborn and delusional you are, because you can't admit to being wrong, and you think that by altering reality you can make yourself right.

If and when you get a fact wrong, do you alter the corresponding Wikipedia page?

Again, no. I freely admit to having altered the image. I did it to show what I think the writers intended to convey, and the animators fucked up on. Again, it's all conjecture, it's all just my opinion, but it does make sense - which is my justification for sharing it.

I'm not trying to alter reality. I'm trying to provide a justification for why I think it's an animation goof, and the Slurm Queen is meant to be concealed by the sign.

As for wikipedia, no. I don't edit it. I tend to do my fact-checking elsewhere, as a matter of fact. Wikipedia is useful for an overview of some topics, but it's notoriously unreliable, and I prefer to look for sources I can have a little more confidence in.

I don't believe for a second that you thought I was trying to alter reality. You're the one who's actively engaged in twisting things, Soryn. You seem to be looking for reasons to proclaim yourself as superior to me in some respect. Is that really the best use of your time?

Soryn is one of the best posters here. he keeps it real, while many others do not.

Define "keeping it real", please. Do you by any chance mean posting long, boring tangential rants with no real structure or purpose, multiple spelling and grammatical errors, arbitrarily underlined, italicised, or bolded words thrown in at random and rather bizarre interpretations of posts, opinions, scenes and jokes that have a very obvious intent which is usually completely different? Is that "keeping it real", or does Soryn do something else around here that I've not seen so far?
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« Reply #188 on: 07-26-2011 07:25 »

Soryn is one of the best posters here. he keeps it real, while many others do not.

Define "keeping it real", please. Do you by any chance mean posting long, boring tangential rants with no real structure or purpose, multiple spelling and grammatical errors, arbitrarily underlined, italicised, or bolded words thrown in at random and rather bizarre interpretations of posts, opinions, scenes and jokes that have a very obvious intent which is usually completely different? Is that "keeping it real", or does Soryn do something else around here that I've not seen so far?

I think he means 'only one who agrees with my opinion so strongly that they can be bothered to rant obnoxiously about it towards people who happens to disagree'.
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« Reply #189 on: 07-26-2011 07:36 »

She was very high up.

I didn't get a look at how big she was compared with anything else (like a human). Comparing this screenshot

to one from FATSF, I can now see that she is about the same size as she was before.

I was using that old 20th century invention ... whatzitcalled ... LIGHT BRIGHT!

And I'm all of -960 years old as well.
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« Reply #190 on: 07-26-2011 07:54 »

She was very high up.

I didn't get a look at how big she was compared with anything else (like a human). Comparing this screenshot
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to one from FATSF, I can now see that she is about the same size as she was before.

Yeah, that shot's not actually onscreen for very long. I can see how it'd be possible to blink and miss the people on the gantries (I didn't spot them until I went back and took that still), but I gauged her size based on the perspective of the shot, and the size of her crown.

I admit, I made use of CGEF for a comparison screenshot from FATSF to double-check when I read your (earlier) post. I'd thought that she was approximately the same size, but having failed to spot the little people up on the lighting rigs, I couldn't quite be sure.

I can totally see how the confusion arose though, with this being a very short segment (she's only onscreen for a few seconds), and rather poorly-animated.

On a side-note to this post, but going back to my discussion with Otis, this still demonstrates quite clearly that the gantry is hanging behind the Slurm sign. The supporting wires go behind the sign... which leads me to believe that the Slurm Queen and the board under her were inked as an overlayer to a static background featuring the sign. Whilst the wires were positioned correctly, it would've been a fairly labour-intensive process to re-ink that sign corner manaully over the Slurm Queen's behindus, so it was ignored.

Animation budget cuts.

They do have an effect.

Once more, I should probably state that this is conjecture on my part based on what little I know of animation techniques - I know Futurama gets transferred from paper and cel onto a computer at some stage (colouring, I think) so I may be way off. But I think this might be the reason for the goof.
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« Reply #191 on: 07-26-2011 07:59 »

Soryn is one of the best posters here. he keeps it real, while many others do not.

Define "keeping it real", please. Do you by any chance mean posting long, boring tangential rants with no real structure or purpose, multiple spelling and grammatical errors, arbitrarily underlined, italicised, or bolded words thrown in at random and rather bizarre interpretations of posts, opinions, scenes and jokes that have a very obvious intent which is usually completely different? Is that "keeping it real", or does Soryn do something else around here that I've not seen so far?

I think he means 'only one who agrees with my opinion so strongly that they can be bothered to rant obnoxiously about it towards people who happens to disagree'.

you mad, bro?
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« Reply #192 on: 07-26-2011 10:20 »

To give this a entirely historical perspective.

In the late '70s Warner Brothers and American Express partnered in a cable televison venture which in large part pioneered what became cable television today.

Their showcase was a cable system in Columbus, Ohio which they called QUBE.  The purpose for QUBE at the time had many purposes.  Warners interest was developing programming for the expanding cable television market.  QUBE for the first time, test marketed many of what became the largest cable/satellite networks on the air today.  One of these was called 'Pinwheel'.  That show anchored what eventually become 'Nickelodeon' today.  MTV was also one of the networks that came out of this test market.

American Express however thought cable would develop into some electronic commece vehicle at the time.  That never happened and Warner-AMEX mostly used QUBE as a showcase to impress local cable franchising authorities when they were granting new cable systems.

But then, nobody envisioned what would become the internet and that cable TV would have such a profound impact on the it's distribution and growth.

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« Reply #193 on: 07-26-2011 12:14 »

For my first post on this forum, I'll post my thoughts on this rather controversial episode...


Yo Leela Leela

I don't mind this episode. I mean it's quite funny (Not gut-busting hilarious but humorous none-the-less) But I found myself laughing at a few parts. The funniest characters weren't the main ones in this episode and I found myself laughing more at the side characters like Warden Vogel (Although he seemed to have adopted an Irish accent in this episode for some reason) and Abner Doubledeal was also quite funny. Some scenes that I enjoyed came mostly in the first act (Popular Slut Club, Leela's original story and everyone making noise at Planet Express) So the first act was most defiantly the best part of the episode...

Although the story kind of dipped in the second act it still contained some laughs while the third act was pretty bland and uneventful (Besides the "big reveal") I do think the ending could have been much better, but it wasn't horrendously bad just not that funny (But I do like that the orphans were adopted and do wonder if they will return as orphans later in the series)

To conclude, I could compare this episodes humor to that of "That Darn Katz!" (More cute than funny and relies on the plot for humor rather than laugh out loud humor) And the plot is similar to "A Leela of Her Own" though I think this one is a little more enjoyable than that one...

Score: 7.0/10
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« Reply #194 on: 07-26-2011 12:35 »

I am shocked that you are the first to use that nickname.  Shocked!  Well... not that shocked.
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« Reply #195 on: 07-26-2011 16:07 »

Well the ending is weird.  Are we supposed to think the orphans and the Humplings are better off now, even though they seem to be exploited? (The Humplings are earning pittances, seem to have been introduced to the concept of depression, and while the Orphans are clearly better off, moving from a cardbox with only three sides to a leaky, unheated, cockroach ridden apartment is great, though not exactly desirable lifewise)
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« Reply #196 on: 07-26-2011 16:09 »
« Last Edit on: 11-10-2011 16:53 »

 love
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« Reply #197 on: 07-26-2011 16:12 »

I had a problem with Fry saying that "When the Saints Go Marching In" was the only song he knew. Clearly he knows "Walking on Sunshine" a little anyways.

I think he meant that "When the Saints Go Marching In" is the only song he knows how to play on the trombone (that's a trombone, right??).
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« Reply #198 on: 07-26-2011 16:14 »

I think he meant that "When the Saints Go Marching In" is the only song he knows how to play on the trombone (that's a trombone, right??).

If he didn't mean that he needs to see a Doctor. LobsterMooch. Not Fry.
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« Reply #199 on: 07-26-2011 16:29 »

I think he meant that "When the Saints Go Marching In" is the only song he knows how to play on the trombone (that's a trombone, right??).

If he didn't mean that he needs to see a Doctor. LobsterMooch. Not Fry.

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