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Gorky

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« Reply #160 on: 07-11-2011 15:07 »

Also what commercial does Fry say he learned the light-bike spiral maneuver from?

I think Fry says "Sunny D," but I could be wrong. Though the only other thing I could imagine him saying is "Sunday tea"--and we all know those Sunday tea commercials limit the number of spirals, lest the ninety-year old actors get dizzy.
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« Reply #161 on: 07-11-2011 16:41 »

He says SunnyD. It's on the Infosphere, too.
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« Reply #162 on: 07-11-2011 17:01 »

Does anyone know which SunnyD commercial he is on about? confused
Aki

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« Reply #163 on: 07-11-2011 17:08 »

I have no idea, I hadn't heard of SunnyD before this.
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« Reply #164 on: 07-11-2011 17:09 »

I have no idea, I hadn't heard of SunnyD before this.

Haha, I remember when it was everywhere like 6 years ago, barely see it now.
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« Reply #165 on: 07-11-2011 17:16 »

Didn't someone like turn orange from drinking that stuff? wtf?...
DannyJC13

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« Reply #166 on: 07-11-2011 17:17 »

Didn't someone like turn orange from drinking that stuff? wtf?...

Wasn't that a Tango advert?
Gorky

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« Reply #167 on: 07-11-2011 17:18 »

Does anyone know which SunnyD commercial he is on about? confused

He probably wasn't referring to a specific commercial, but the general tone of the ads. As I remember it, Sunny D--like all sugary, totally unhealthy beverages--had ad campaigns showcasing healthy, active people living their healthy, active lives with the help of the power of the sun!
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« Reply #168 on: 07-11-2011 17:22 »
« Last Edit on: 07-11-2011 17:23 »

Didn't someone like turn orange from drinking that stuff? wtf?...

Wasn't that a Tango advert?


I just had a look on Google and came up with this...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/too-much-sunny-delight-turns-girls-skin-yellow-1134703.html

Hmmm, I'm glad I never touched the stuff...
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« Reply #169 on: 07-11-2011 17:25 »

Glad I haven't touched it too... wtf?
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #170 on: 07-11-2011 17:53 »
« Last Edit on: 07-11-2011 18:07 by totalnerduk »

The main reason I hated SunnyD commercials was that it's a fucking disgusting drink, and the people in the adverts were sucking that shit down like it was delicious.

If I want orange juice, I'll squeeze a damn orange myself rather than drink SunnyD. Yes, the power of my hatred for that drink is strong enough to overcome my laziness!
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« Reply #171 on: 07-11-2011 18:02 »

Yes, I the power of my hatred for that drink is strong enough to overcome my laziness!

What?
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« Reply #172 on: 07-11-2011 18:09 »

Didn't someone like turn orange from drinking that stuff? wtf?...

Wasn't that a Tango advert?


I just had a look on Google and came up with this...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/too-much-sunny-delight-turns-girls-skin-yellow-1134703.html

Hmmm, I'm glad I never touched the stuff...

That happened around the time my parents would make me drink nothing but Sunny D because it was a cheap substitute for real juice. A little more would have turned me yellow. Or, if the commercials are right, it would have also made me good at beach volleyball and harnessing the power of the sun.
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #173 on: 07-11-2011 18:36 »



      Check out who also plays "Delivery Command":
      High Scores
       BBR 65535
       NIB 48565
       HJF 00254

   65535 is the highest integer that can be reached with 16 bits.  So Bender either played flawlessly or cheated to get that score.  Probably cheated.   laff


Does anyone know the significance of 254?

65535 is (as mentioned above) 2^16 1 and
48565 is (of course) the sum of two cubes* (21^3 + 34^3) but
254 doesn't seem to correspond to anything significant (i.e. 254 = 2^8 2 = 2 127 = ■ ASCII).

Also what commercial does Fry say he learned the light-bike spiral maneuver from?


* And even the Infosphere hasn't cottoned on to that (as of yet).


just a hunch, but there is a company called Team 254 Robotics, based out of San Jose. it wouldn't surprise me if one of the futurama folks has a family member that works there.... or something.
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« Reply #174 on: 07-11-2011 20:00 »

I am having a hard time pinning down why I enjoyed this episode so much but some of the jokes tickled me just right.  Now the Schrodinger joke might have been a little obvious but URL saying "That's a violation of the law of Lorentz invariance, Baby" actually made me laugh out loud. It is jokes like that that put Futurama on a higher level than the other animated shows out there.

That is not to say the episode did not have problems (it did feel a little heavy on references that were not always as subtle as I ahve come to expect from the show) but Url really sold me on the episode, he seemed a better robot friend to Fry than Bender has ever been

Overall 8/10
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« Reply #175 on: 07-11-2011 20:16 »

Url really sold me on the episode, he seemed a better robot friend to Fry than Bender has ever been

URL even called him "Phil".  Has Bender ever gone beyond "Fry"?  (Other than "meatbag", or similar terms.)
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« Reply #176 on: 07-11-2011 20:35 »

Yes, I the power of my hatred for that drink is strong enough to overcome my laziness!

What?

What about what?

*swish*
spira

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« Reply #177 on: 07-11-2011 20:44 »

URL even called him "Phil".  Has Bender ever gone beyond "Fry"?  (Other than "meatbag", or similar terms.)

Is calling someone by their first name when absolutely no one else does actually a sign of close friendship? If so, URL and Fry got real tight real fast.
Gorky

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« Reply #178 on: 07-11-2011 20:48 »

In "The Problem With Popplers," Bender doesn't even know Fry's full name:

Fry: Turanga?
Amy: That's her name, Philip.
Bender: Philip?!

Also, I thought URL calling Fry "Phil" was just a gag about how, now that Fry's a mature police guy, he gets to use his big boy name.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #179 on: 07-11-2011 20:49 »

I think URL is just the kind of guy to refer to everybody by their first name, no matter what they'd rather be called. I've worked with guys like that, and they're usually very, very, very annoying.
spira

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« Reply #180 on: 07-11-2011 21:31 »

True that. I know a handful of people who go by their last name to everyone, even close friends. Actually I can't really think of any pairs of friends I know of who call each other by different names than usual while in public (did that make any sense?)

Bender's got more important things to worry about than Fry's full name. Like Blackjack, and hookers.
Free Hot Meal

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« Reply #181 on: 07-11-2011 22:57 »
« Last Edit on: 07-11-2011 22:59 »

After watching the episode again last night I caught that the same voice/tone used for "The Dark One" was also used for the Oracle.

I'd give it 7.5/10....round up to 8 for the poll.
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« Reply #182 on: 07-12-2011 01:57 »

Can I also say that the little reference to "Paperboy" was one of my favourite things in the entire episode. Completely forgot to mention it the last review, but it was well done and made me smile a hell of a lot.

Woo, Paperboy!
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« Reply #183 on: 07-12-2011 02:03 »

I think URL is just the kind of guy to refer to everybody by their first name, no matter what they'd rather be called. I've worked with guys like that, and they're usually very, very, very annoying.

I'll have to remember to call you Mr. Nerduk from now on. I wouldn't want to offend anyone by referring to you simply as Total.
Fnord
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« Reply #184 on: 07-12-2011 06:43 »



      Check out who also plays "Delivery Command":
      High Scores
       BBR 65535
       NIB 48565
       HJF 00254

65535 is the highest integer that can be reached with 16 bits.  So Bender either played flawlessly or cheated to get that score.  Probably cheated.   laff


Does anyone know the significance of 254?

65535 is (as mentioned above) 2^16 1 and
48565 is (of course) the sum of two cubes* (21^3 + 34^3)

The sum of two cubes of Fibonacci numbers, at that ...

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254 doesn't seem to correspond to anything significant (i.e. 254 = 2^8 2 = 2 127 = ■ ASCII).

Actually, this should be a "thorn":

254 is the maximum number of pieces you can cut a pizza into, using 22 cuts.
http://numbergossip.com/

http://sites.google.com/site/numeropedia/allnumbers
Javier Lopez

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« Reply #185 on: 07-12-2011 07:58 »

Great episode.. i really enjoyed overall.. would puntuate it as a high 8+

It was mostly pure good old Futurama in itself... really enjoyed the return of Fry as a delivery boy.. Applyed cryogenics.. Smitty and Url (more like only Url , but somehow i think Smitty will come back as a reset) and enjoyed also a more smart than usuall Fry.. actually an original Fry spot on.. and it was funny seeing Fry as a competent cop

I have to say that Bender/Leela interaction was dissapointing.. i think it deserved something more funny than just not getting along much well.. tought the episode seems to have used the time right on so probably not much time for aditional plots or extended jokes..
Also contained tons of nerdy jokes...

In all  ... it was total Futurama and i liked it
Free Hot Meal

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« Reply #186 on: 07-12-2011 10:29 »

I think URL is just the kind of guy to refer to everybody by their first name, no matter what they'd rather be called. I've worked with guys like that, and they're usually very, very, very annoying.

I'll have to remember to call you Mr. Nerduk from now on. I wouldn't want to offend anyone by referring to you simply as Total.

That's Captain Total to you!
AdrenalinDragon

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« Reply #187 on: 07-12-2011 20:38 »

Anyone have a looped GIF animation of Fry and URL both doing the rewind dance? laff
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« Reply #188 on: 07-12-2011 20:39 »

Anyone have a looped GIF animation of Fry and URL both doing the rewind dance? laff

I'd kill for one of those. laff I'm sure someone on PEEL has the capability AND cares enough to make one... shifty
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #189 on: 07-13-2011 04:42 »

In "The Problem With Popplers," Bender doesn't even know Fry's full name:

Fry: Turanga?
Amy: That's her name, Philip.
Bender: Philip?!

Also, I thought URL calling Fry "Phil" was just a gag about how, now that Fry's a mature police guy, he gets to use his big boy name.

Considering that police officers IRL refer to each other by their surnames -- such as in "Officer Smith" (aka Smitty) or Chief O'Mannahan -- it's ironic the Url calls Fry by his given name "Phil", whereas his civilian friends and co-workers at PlanEx always called him Fry.

I presume that it was intended to emphasize the close partnership and friendship Fry and Url formed in this episode -- and demonstrate how much better of a friend Url is to Fry than Bender ever was.

I thought it was a clever bit of insight into their relationship, which was accomplished with ingenius simplicity and succinctness.
Gorky

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« Reply #190 on: 07-13-2011 05:30 »

I presume that it was intended to emphasize the close partnership and friendship Fry and Url formed in this episode -- and demonstrate how much better of a friend Url is to Fry than Bender ever was.

I think that may be stretching it a little. In all likelihood, URL probably chooses to call Fry "Phil" because he's just enough of a hip-'n'-happenin' cat to pull it off. I do think the writers were implying a certain level of camaraderie between Fry and URL, but I don't think you can extrapolate from that to a Big Statement on the URL/Fry friendship vs. the Fry/Bender friendship.
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #191 on: 07-13-2011 06:02 »

I presume that it was intended to emphasize the close partnership and friendship Fry and Url formed in this episode -- and demonstrate how much better of a friend Url is to Fry than Bender ever was.

I think that may be stretching it a little. In all likelihood, URL probably chooses to call Fry "Phil" because he's just enough of a hip-'n'-happenin' cat to pull it off. I do think the writers were implying a certain level of camaraderie between Fry and URL, but I don't think you can extrapolate from that to a Big Statement on the URL/Fry friendship vs. the Fry/Bender friendship.

I agree that it was intended to succinctly demonstrate that Fry and Url are friendly.

However, I think you're under-estimating the Futurama writers by assuming that there was no sub-text to that line -- or that Url is "so cool" that can call Fry by his given name.

The fact is that Fry has rarely ever been called "Phil" or "Philip". It's so unusual that I'm certain that it had a subtle but deliberate meaning -- but the implication wasn't relevant to the story so it remained subtextual and unexamined.

Considering that the third act of the episode was more or less about Fry and Bender's friendship, to dimiss the idea that Url calling Fry "Phil" doesn't have any deeper meaning pertaining to Fry and Bender's friendship, is terribly superficial.
Gorky

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« Reply #192 on: 07-13-2011 06:07 »
« Last Edit on: 07-13-2011 06:11 »

Eh, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. I have great faith in the Futurama writers, but I don't think they had any Grand Intentions with the whole Phil thing. I mean, Leela doesn't call Fry "Phil" either, but I think she and Fry share a deeper bond than him and URL (similarly: is Amy being the only person who knows Fry's real name in "The Problem With Popplers" meant to imply that she and Fry are closer than other members of the PE crew?).

I suppose it's nice that the line is just subtle and ambiguous enough that we can interpret it in different ways, though--that's a cool trick in and of itself. smile
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #193 on: 07-13-2011 06:29 »

Eh, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. I have great faith in the Futurama writers, but I don't think they had any Grand Intentions with the whole Phil thing. I mean, Leela doesn't call Fry "Phil" either, but I think she and Fry share a deeper bond than him and URL (similarly: is Amy being the only person who knows Fry's real name in "The Problem With Popplers" meant to imply that she and Fry are closer than other members of the PE crew?).

I suppose it's nice that the line is just subtle and ambiguous enough that we can interpret it in different ways, though--that's a cool trick in and of itself. smile

I refer to it as implied and subtextual.

Whereas you refer to it as "Grand Intentions".

Obviously we perceive it differently.

I recognize that it seems like it might be a throw-away line, that Url calls Fry by his given name. However, the fact that Fry rarely ever is referred to by his given name implies that it's more meaningful than it seems.

It's interesting that you referred to "The Problem With Popplers" wherein Fry and Leela's given names were first revealed, because both Fry and Bender expressed an outspoken reaction to hearing Leela and Fry's first names -- as if for the first time. Similarly in "Luck of Fryrish", the fact Fry's given name is Philip was really hammered home because of its significance to the episode. That's why I believe that Url casually using Fry's given name was intended to call attention to itself and have a subtextual meaning, even though that meaning was never explicitly addressed in this episode.

I think that's because in addition to Futurama's writers being extraordinary smart and talented, they know that some of us Futurama fans are "pretty on the ball" and are smart enough to pick up on little things like this.

After all, how is this any different than any of the countless math or computer or science joke that are hidden in most episodes?
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #194 on: 07-13-2011 06:58 »

nice insight, soryn.
spira

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« Reply #195 on: 07-13-2011 07:03 »

That's why I believe that Url casually using Fry's given name was intended to call attention to itself and have a subtextual meaning, even though that meaning was never explicitly addressed in this episode.

This could be true. I don't know how much of URL, if any, we'll be seeing in the rest of the season, but the line could potentially have deeper meaning that is fleshed out later.
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« Reply #196 on: 07-13-2011 13:44 »

I think it's more to do with URL's character and mannerisms than anything else. This is one of those instances where a cigar is just a cigar.
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« Reply #197 on: 07-13-2011 19:58 »

We got to see a lot more of URL in this ep than pretty much any other ep I can think of. We got more of an insight into URL's character and this example is one of his characteristics. As TNUK says, it's a mannerism, it's just how URL is and that's what they're representing here, at least that's how I saw it...
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« Reply #198 on: 07-13-2011 20:17 »

I like how we got to see him for the first time out of uniform. He looked quite different to me than expected.

Does mean all robots can take off their uniforms then? I never really thought about it, I thought they were built like that.
spira

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« Reply #199 on: 07-13-2011 21:15 »

Flexo's wife changes clothes that one time. Other than that, though, I think this is the first time a robot has changed like that.
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