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totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #120 on: 07-09-2011 22:06 »

It seemed a bit rushed

Yeah, the show really ought to move to an hour-long format at some point, and treat us to some meaty, juicy extended storylines. Or forty minutes. As long as they increase the run-time, I'll be happy.
jeepdavetj

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« Reply #121 on: 07-09-2011 23:20 »

Am I the only person who has not seen Avatar? What was the joke?
DannyJC13

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« Reply #122 on: 07-09-2011 23:21 »

Am I the only person who has not seen Avatar? What was the joke?

http://theinfosphere.org/Pandora

IMO, Avatar ws super-overrated... no no
jeepdavetj

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« Reply #123 on: 07-09-2011 23:48 »

Ah, thanks Danny. I remember it being advertised, but I thought it was like a anime smurf thing or something.
spira

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« Reply #124 on: 07-10-2011 00:15 »

An extension of the run-time would be so incredibly awesome.
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #125 on: 07-10-2011 04:30 »

Really enjoyed this episode.  I can't wait to re-watch it to catch more detail than I could the first time around.  However, one thing is bothering me about this latest season -  are directed energy weapons suddenly out of style in the future?  What is up with all of the projectile weapons suddenly appearing?  Granted, kinetic kill weapons are relatively inexpensive and effective compared to DEW's, but I want my pew pew pew zap zap back over kaboom.  Its more science-fictiony.
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« Reply #126 on: 07-10-2011 05:34 »

I thought it was a fantastic episode! The one thing that really got me was the Schrodinger's Cat bit. I was literally ROTFLOLing.

Me and my brother could not stop laughing at that.

I really enjoyed the episode a lot more then the past ones for this season. I gave it a 10. I liked what they did with the 3d but i didnt have any glasses.
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« Reply #127 on: 07-10-2011 07:39 »

Sure, but it's a fairly obscure story, even if you know who Philip K. Dick is.  I doubt that many Futurama viewers had heard of it before the movie was made.

Not that that's a complaint; I did think that it made for a pretty good episode.

How could you not have heard of the story? When the movie came out it was everywhere that it was based on a story of Philip K. Dick. Same as Blade Runner and Total Recall.

And Through A Scanner, Darkly.
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« Reply #128 on: 07-10-2011 07:54 »

Sure, but it's a fairly obscure story, even if you know who Philip K. Dick is.  I doubt that many Futurama viewers had heard of it before the movie was made.

Not that that's a complaint; I did think that it made for a pretty good episode.

How could you not have heard of the story? When the movie came out it was everywhere that it was based on a story of Philip K. Dick. Same as Blade Runner and Total Recall.

And Through A Scanner, Darkly.
let's be honest, though. that movie was barely promoted and was terrible. let us sweep it under the rug.
TheMadCapper

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« Reply #129 on: 07-10-2011 08:18 »

Minority Report was not some kind of tiny cult film. It was directed by Steven Spielberg, nominated for an Oscar, starred Tom Cruise and Colin Ferrell, and grossed 363 million dollars worldwide, while it's estimated to have cost 102 million to make.

And it's especially appropriate for the sci-fi cartoon to parody it, since their nerdy fanbase are exactly the type of people who probably saw the movie. And if you think the movie sucked, then so what? They're lampooning it. Fans and haters alike enjoy seeing the original made fun of.
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« Reply #130 on: 07-10-2011 08:35 »

Minority Report was not some kind of tiny cult film. It was directed by Steven Spielberg, nominated for an Oscar, starred Tom Cruise and Colin Ferrell, and grossed 363 million dollars worldwide, while it's estimated to have cost 102 million to make.

And it's especially appropriate for the sci-fi cartoon to parody it, since their nerdy fanbase are exactly the type of people who probably saw the movie. And if you think the movie sucked, then so what? They're lampooning it. Fans and haters alike enjoy seeing the original made fun of.

what are you talking about? i was referring to 'a scanner darkly'.
SonicPanther

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« Reply #131 on: 07-10-2011 08:45 »

I liked this episode, it was solid and met my expectations. I only have one real complaint. The first act is one of my favorite first acts in the show so far, very fast paced and hilarious. But the next two acts were much slower and that made them not as fun as the first in my eyes. I still enjoyed it, I just thought it the pacing was a bit...off.
I loved the gags about not wearing pants, as I am shamefully a sucker for any pants related humor, and I personally thought the chief was hilarious (though she did start to get old after a while). Leela and Bender's interaction was also hilarious.
8/10 from me.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #132 on: 07-10-2011 12:48 »
« Last Edit on: 07-10-2011 13:28 »

However, one thing is bothering me about this latest season -  are directed energy weapons suddenly out of style in the future?  What is up with all of the projectile weapons suddenly appearing?  

THIS IS WHAT I PICKED UP ON IN THE SEASON 6 GOOFS THREAD! WHERE ARE THE LASERS?! Glad I'm not alone. wink

Also, something I just noticed upon second viewing, on the Future Crimes Division door it says 'We Know What You Did Next Summer'. laff
hobbitboy

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« Reply #133 on: 07-10-2011 14:56 »

Check out who also plays "Delivery Command":
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 BBR 65535
 NIB 48565
 HJF 00254

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Gorky

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« Reply #134 on: 07-10-2011 15:18 »

Cool find, hobbitboy. Either "Law and Oracle" has the most freeze frame gags of any episode of the new run so far, or I just haven't been paying close enough attention to the rest of the season...
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« Reply #135 on: 07-10-2011 15:23 »

Check out who also plays "Delivery Command":
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 BBR 65535
 NIB 48565
 HJF 00254


Been on the Infosphere for a few days, but nice anyway. wink
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« Reply #136 on: 07-10-2011 15:39 »

Another gag which I noticed which got a laugh out of me. It's already mentioned on the Infosphere, but hasn't been mentioned here yet.

Immediately after Hermes mentions that "executive" is just a meaningless title, the credits appear on screen and Matt Groening and DXC's names pop up as executive producers.

IMO, Avatar was super-overrated... no no

Nice to see someone agrees with me on this. big grin Though you've got to admit, it had some pretty good CGI.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #137 on: 07-10-2011 15:52 »

Nice to see someone agrees with me on this. big grin Though you've got to admit, it had some pretty good CGI.

Yeah, but that's the reason why everyone loved it, but if you look at the plot... Well, here:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/aliens_avatar

Also, sweet avatar bendingunit6... No, not that type of Avatar... laff
Aki

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« Reply #138 on: 07-10-2011 19:18 »

I think it's perfectly okay for Fry to leave his job if he has a good reason for doing so, and if the proper consequences are shown. I think in this case he has a good reason (he is bummed out by being a delivery boy - sure, it's in a cool future, but he's been there eleven years already), and the proper consequences are shown (the crew is really bored without him, everyone realizes how vital he is for the spirit of the company even though he doesn't do any practical work). To me this is totally different than "this week on the Simpsons - Homer tries being a bartender but next week he'll be back at the power plant!".

Also, The Simpsons started doing that practically every week for a while, whereas Futurama has only done it a few times (usually with Bender, and I don't think he technically leaves his job in most cases). It's only a problem if it's really overused.

It can be a problem even if it's just for one episode. To me, a character can't make a drastic lifestyle change for minor reasons without the writers addressing the consequences. In this episode it worked well, because we were clearly shown why Fry did what he did, and how it affected the crew. If just a scene or two of the beginning (like Fry having to deliver the pizza) or some scenes with the crew afterwards, had been cut, I would have been severely annoyed by this episode. Fortunately, they knew to keep it in, and it worked well.

With Bender, it is totally different, because he doesn't do any work. This has been referenced multiple times. The crew would probably do much better without him, even though they might be a little sad. Bender is also extremely impulsive (more so than Fry), and could go off join something without telling his friends, only to return quite a while later with no-one but Fry even noticing he was gone.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #139 on: 07-10-2011 20:47 »

About modern weapons replacing laser guns:

If we did everything super sci-fi all the time, we'd alienate people. You have to write what people can relate to presently.

From Eric Rogers, gloviously...
Aki

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« Reply #140 on: 07-10-2011 21:00 »

Whut? Who would go "hey, why does that gun fire a ray instead of a bullet? Oh, I guess it doesn't harm"?
DannyJC13

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« Reply #141 on: 07-10-2011 21:02 »

?

Maybe it's to satisfy the retards slow people that view CC...
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #142 on: 07-10-2011 21:38 »

Check out who also plays "Delivery Command":
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 BBR 65535
 NIB 48565
 HJF 00254

65535 is the highest integer that can be reached with 16 bits.  So Bender either played flawlessly or cheated to get that score.  Probably cheated.   laff

Also, I'm pretty sure that the average layperson understands that beam weapons do damage.  They've seen or heard of Star Wars, right?  Besides, all they are doing is replacing the sound effect.  A gun looks like a gun, whether a beam or bullet comes out, people know gun-shaped objects kill stuff.
Aki

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« Reply #143 on: 07-10-2011 21:42 »

My ex girlfriend had never seen Star Wars, at age 20. Guess why she's my ex.
jeepdavetj

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« Reply #144 on: 07-10-2011 22:56 »

I have a confession to make, never saw any of the Star Wars, or Star Trek movies. But I like Futurama anyway. big grin


As far as the guns go, laser will always work, but there is something satisfying about the big bang you get from gun powder smile
Aki

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« Reply #145 on: 07-10-2011 23:05 »

I prefer the Yassacans' SIM gun to shoot myself when I get bored.

Get the reference?

Anyone?
spira

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« Reply #146 on: 07-11-2011 01:57 »

Wow, this episode is one of those that needs to be watched with a finger over the pause button. Multiple times.

That is ridiculous, about ray guns. I can't fathom why anyone would be confused about a gun shooting a laser.
Xanfor

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« Reply #147 on: 07-11-2011 02:05 »

I have a confession to make, never saw any of the Star Wars, or Star Trek movies. But I like Futurama anyway. big grin

HERETIC! mad
futurefreak

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« Reply #148 on: 07-11-2011 02:06 »

I have a confession to make, never saw any of the Star Wars, or Star Trek movies. But I like Futurama anyway. big grin
I had never seen Star Trek until after Futurama. I knew the show referenced it from time to time, so when they started showing The Original Series (TOS) with Kirk and Spock late night a few years ago, I started watching it. I have been a fan ever since. I didn't realize until after watching the whole series how much Futurama references from the show. They're either incredibly brilliant or just rip off artists hahaha. I tend to think the former big grin

I highly recommend anyone and everyone to check out TOS though. You will gain such a bigger appreciation for Futurama and jokes will become 53.2% funnier big grin
jeepdavetj

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« Reply #149 on: 07-11-2011 02:11 »

I have seen the Star Trek show, but could only get into The Next Generation.

I know, its weird, 31 but never had interest in Star Wars. I think if I was gonna watch one, it would be Star Trek. Space Balls is as close to Star Wars as I came.
Xanfor

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« Reply #150 on: 07-11-2011 02:12 »

At least watch the holiday special, to see if you

No, I can't. That's too cruel even for me.
SonicPanther

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« Reply #151 on: 07-11-2011 03:10 »

I have only seen 2 Star Wars movies: A New Hope, and The Phantom Menace. Oh, and the holiday special. I just realized how bad that sounds, especially since I call myself a geek. I should try harder.

(And yet most Star Wars jokes make sense to me. Guess I know all the stuff worth making fun of, at least. Thanks, internet!)
Aki

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« Reply #152 on: 07-11-2011 03:32 »

You haven't seen the two best films and the two best films after the best three.
SonicPanther

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« Reply #153 on: 07-11-2011 03:33 »

Why should I even bother watching the whole series? Nothing will ever match the brilliance and depth of the holiday special.
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« Reply #154 on: 07-11-2011 03:35 »

Yay, I really liked this episode. It's the only episode of the new run that brought me a level of happiness similar to the pre-Season 6 episodes. There were so many good parts, but they've all been mentioned, so I'll just sum up by saying that while the main-plot kept me engaged and interested in the development of the episode, the sub-plot was where most of the great humor was packed in. Amy's spoof, the Professor's explanation about "Good News!", "Soooo, you're a robot?", and more.


8/10 imo
Kryten

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« Reply #155 on: 07-11-2011 03:47 »

What's this? SCI-FI parodies? On Futurama?

Give us more like this, please.
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #156 on: 07-11-2011 05:51 »

Does anyone know if the blond guy who introduced Fry to Pickles was referenced from somewhere?

The second time I watched it that guy seemed familiar, but I don't know from where. For some reason the character design reminded me of one of the muppets with a unibrow forehead and a pointy nose -- but I know that can't be it.

I'm wonderin' if anyone knows who that character was?
Gopher

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« Reply #157 on: 07-11-2011 06:26 »

my favorite subtle bit in this episode is that Fry, a person who makes being a delivery boy look difficult, suddenly seems competent in the context of the NNYPD. Not sure if it was an intentional joke or just a necessity of plot, but either way, it amuses me.
lemily33

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« Reply #158 on: 07-11-2011 10:05 »
« Last Edit on: 07-11-2011 10:09 »

I love this episode!

I have a new second-favorite Fry line: "No! NO! What have I will've done!" (second only to "I'll be whatever I wanna do!")

I have now seen this episode four times. big grin

The hybrid Oracle also seemed a subtle reference to the Hybrids of Battlestar Galactica who are submerged in vats and prophesy the future, as well. I realize that is was mostly a Minority Report reference, but I liked that they used the term "hybrid." http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Hybrid
hobbitboy

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« Reply #159 on: 07-11-2011 14:59 »
« Last Edit on: 07-11-2011 15:00 »



      Check out who also plays "Delivery Command":
      High Scores
       BBR 65535
       NIB 48565
       HJF 00254

   65535 is the highest integer that can be reached with 16 bits.  So Bender either played flawlessly or cheated to get that score.  Probably cheated.   laff


Does anyone know the significance of 254?

65535 is (as mentioned above) 2^16 1 and
48565 is (of course) the sum of two cubes* (21^3 + 34^3) but
254 doesn't seem to correspond to anything significant (i.e. 254 = 2^8 2 = 2 127 = ■ ASCII).

Also what commercial does Fry say he learned the light-bike spiral maneuver from?


* And even the Infosphere hasn't cottoned on to that (as of yet).

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