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dr_perceptron

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« Reply #80 on: 07-01-2011 10:20 »

I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this one.  The throwbacks to original episodes, the return of some lovable characters, Fry being too dumb for his own good and so on.  In short this episode had all things that make Futurama the show I've come to love.  However I did feel like the end was a bit rushed but I'm pretty sure that has to do with the shortened run time, I was actually very annoyed at the 7 minute commercial break in between act 2 and 3.  A whole 7 minutes!  As far as the jokes go, they were funny ,precise and had me laughing so hard leia had to tell me to shut up.  The only true complaint I have is the whole robot ghost thing, not really buying the wireless crapt but oh well.  I would like to see an episode however that actually invovles the crew going on a delivery.  All in all I give this episode a solid 9/10
Jezzem

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« Reply #81 on: 07-01-2011 10:37 »

I liked this episode but I think I'll hold off on rating and properly reviewing it until I watch it again at home without almost falling asleep in the middle of the episode because I'd been up for 27 hours straight.
Aki

Professor
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« Reply #82 on: 07-01-2011 10:48 »

The Ghostbusters bit is one of my favorite lines ever on the show.

Yeah, that cracked me up. For a moment I thought they were going with the expected, so I was gladly surprised when they made fun of the line itself instead. smile
MightyBooshFan91

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« Reply #83 on: 07-01-2011 11:28 »

Finally an episode that felt like the Futurama of old!
(up until the last few minutes which were too rushed)
But still, a great improvement on last week and one of the better ones of season 6
8.5/10
bendingunit6

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« Reply #84 on: 07-01-2011 15:00 »
« Last Edit on: 07-01-2011 15:01 »

When I heard about this episode, I really looked forward to it, and I'm happy to say I really enjoyed this one. Plenty of great laughs, and some great moments from the Robot Devil. For me, one of Patric Verrone's best episodes, next to "The Sting" and "The Problem with Popplers".

Though the first act did go by too quickly for me, the episode did get better as it went by. The plot flowed smoothly, and I did enjoyed the callbacks to previous episodes, particularly "Hell Is Other Robots". Some hilarious lines in there, such as the Ghostbusters reference and Scruffy doing "Bite my shiny metal ass". Even that whole "Granny Hester" gag entertained me.

Overall, a very entertaining episode. Out of the three season 6-B episodes that have aired so far, I enjoyed it the most. I'll give it a 8.5/10, rounded to 9.
LorenzoDuke

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« Reply #85 on: 07-01-2011 15:16 »

The first act was tedious to me. I'm so sick of the new hyperactive 'wacky' vibe. There's also way too many call backs to minor characters who should be used sparingly (Zapp for instance has been in each of the last 3). It's as if its an overeager effort to convince us "hey look, this is still Futurama - there's robot preacher, there's Zapp, there's Scruffy...remember? Huh? Do ya?"

The Obamacare joke was extremely lame, but predictable given what's come before this season. I wish the writers would remember what millennium this show is supposed to be set in. It's 'Futurama' not 'Wacky Space New York 2011'. Never mind the fact that they break the now-flimsy reality of the show, did anyone actually think the Obamacare joke or last week's Kardashians joke funny? ""It sure was nice of the mayor's wife to have sex with me" was another cringeworthy, out of character moment.

But - having said all that the 3rd act was great and a bittersweet reminder of how good this show can be when the characters act like people (and robots and aliens) and have actual conversations, dialogues and relationships with each other rather than just mindlessly spewing out unfunny one-liners.

This episode was like visiting a senile relative. Most of the time they sit there talking complete bollocks, being random and not making any sense. Then once in a while you see a flash of their old personality and remember why you love them so much.
Mongo

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« Reply #86 on: 07-01-2011 15:34 »

My take on how this episode does not conflict with LI:

1: In LI, we learn that (almost) all robots have back-up units in case their bodies are destroyed.  It appears that almost all people know this.

2: In GitM, we learn that the idea of robot ghosts is unknown to most people, so they must be very rare events (or they are simply not perceived by them, which is also the case).

3: In LI, we learn that Bender does not have a functioning back-up unit.

4: in GitM, we see Bender die, and become a robot ghost.

So I hypothesize that only robots without working back-up units become robot ghosts if their bodies are destroyed.  This would make sense because robots with a working back-up unit cannot truly die, and therefore would never reach the point where they would become a ghost.

Oh, I give the episode a 9/10.
Freako

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« Reply #87 on: 07-01-2011 15:40 »

Or its a cartoon and they fucked up but went ahead anyway.
Gorky

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« Reply #88 on: 07-01-2011 15:56 »

I don't think this episode really contradicts anything that's seen in "Lethal Inspection." Farnsworth was right that, scientifically-speaking, if Bender has no back-up unit, then once he's dead, he's dead. The Robot Devil isn't interested in science; he's interested in...well, I guess you could call it spirituality. What I mean is, Farnsworth was making a scientific assumption that, though correct, did not take into account what could happen in the robot afterlife.

And I do give the writers some credit, considering Bender is murdered and doesn't actually commit suicide. It doesn't entirely negate his emotional arc in "Lethal Inspection," where he learns to value the time he has left on earth and whatnot; I suspect that, if he had given himself a few more minutes to think about it, he would have escaped the suicide booth unscathed. And, also, Bender was just being unreasonable because of his anger with Fry; he's done it in the past, like when he destroyed Seymour in "Jurassic Bark."
Quolnok

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« Reply #89 on: 07-01-2011 15:59 »

I know Farnsworth has plenty of catchphrases, but I'm all for "oh, fuff" being another one. Probably just a callback though. I think Bender saying "a-doy" twice may have been in reference to Adoy from the game.

I wonder if that second bit of singing was one of the bits cut from the original Robot Hell song.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #90 on: 07-01-2011 16:48 »

I'm gonna keep it simple and say, this was a great episode.
Gorky

Space Pope
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« Reply #91 on: 07-01-2011 17:16 »

Just did a rewatch. This time around, the pacing problems didn't seem as apparent to me (the third act is still all over the place, but none of the plot points seemed like they were unceremoniously dropped or anything; there was a logical flow between events), and most of the gags (even the Obamacare one) hit their mark. And the emotional Fry/Bender story works well enough.

But still, this episode doesn't thrill me; it still just feels average. I can't explain what has me so unimpressed. Maybe it's the mean-spirited nature of some of the gags (hell, the entire plot is kind of sadistic and terrible, if you think too hard about it), but that can't be the entire problem (after all, I liked Leela's slapping thing, and the Robot Devil's desire to see Fry dead made perfect sense and was totally in-character for him). Maybe it's the Fry-slowly-going-crazy thing; it was too reminiscent of "Insane in the Mainframe" for my liking. But, where seeing Fry go mad worked in that episode, in this episode is just seemed...depressing. Bender's haunting seemed less humorous to me at points, and more outright cruel.

...I don't know. My criticisms make me sound more sensitive than I really am. The mean-spirited jokes don't usually bother me. I guess there's just something that's off about this episode, and I can't quite pinpoint it. At any rate, I think I'd sooner rewatch "Benderama" than this one, but not "Neutopia." So, yeah: second-best episode of this season so far, but I didn't care for it as much as most everyone else did. Oh well.
tyraniak

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« Reply #92 on: 07-01-2011 17:21 »

really enjoyed this episode, great that they don't overuse robot devil. A few minor setbacks:

The Obamacare joke was about as Bad as last Week's Kardashian joke, so apparently Future pop culture is just our pop culture.

The crew still explaining new things to Fry, he's lived in the future for almost a decade, so I'm sure he should be aware of the major holidays by now
DannyJC13

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« Reply #93 on: 07-01-2011 17:31 »

AWESOME. Very funny, great animation, loved the plot, epic. The ending was a little meh, but overall, excellent. love

9/10
AdrenalinDragon

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« Reply #94 on: 07-01-2011 17:32 »

Loved this episode! I thought Scruffy's "Bite my shiny metal ass" and the Ghostbusters reference were the best parts, but also liked the way Bender tried to scare Fry and eventually realising that Fry misses him. The Robot Devil again is used in top form and the Obamacare and Wikipedia jokes got me a laugh. The weakest part of the whole episode was the 1st act for me but thought it was still funny. Overall, alot of jokes, very good plot, and some emotion makes this Patrick M Verrone's 2nd best episode for me. I'll give it a 9.5 out of 10.
Zed 85

Space Pope
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« Reply #95 on: 07-01-2011 18:22 »

I don't know, I was left a mite underwhelmed. Everything seemed to move a little too quickly for me, some things felt a little forced (to save time) and I didn't find myself laughing as much as the previous two eps.

Maybe a smarter type than me (anybody, basically) can answer me this though: Bender is a ghost/in limbo because he killed himself - but didn't Lynn technically say it wasn't suicide but murder?

I don't know, anyway there was still enough to make me like it. Niggly points but I enjoyed it enough to give it a 7/10.
I'd retrospectively give Neutopia 7/10 too in that case.
Aki

Professor
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« Reply #96 on: 07-01-2011 18:27 »

Maybe a smarter type than me (anybody, basically) can answer me this though: Bender is a ghost/in limbo because he killed himself - but didn't Lynn technically say it wasn't suicide but murder?

No-one knows that except for Lynn and Bender. Robot Devil assumed he committed suicide.
Whatawut

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« Reply #97 on: 07-01-2011 19:11 »
« Last Edit on: 07-01-2011 19:29 »

I wish I could have enjoyed this episode as much as everyone else seemed to. I don't know, it just didn't seem that exciting, interesting or funny to me. I'm trying to be open-minded and avoid any misplaced nostalgic bias, but regardless, the episode was just meh to me.

Things I liked:

Some jokes were chuckle-worthy, like "Thank you for saving my stupidly dressed husband!", "Those were dark times" in reference to separate parades happening all the time, "Fry, as his only friend, you should pick which body part you get first" when Bender was dead, "I just thought I had laryngitis and anti-gravity", "I only meant to slap you twice," *It Sure Ain't Butter!*, "I've got the Too Much Macaroni Sweats", the Scruffy's buffet lines, Bender smacking the gypsy with an iron, and DeadEx among others

Some jokes were really funny, like Bender using the coin on a string trick in the suicide booth just like he always does, followed by his mischievous laugh right after. That was a perfect call-back to earlier episodes and I'm glad the writers realize how true to Bender that is. I also loved Fry's summary of what happened to him when he almost died: "I think the Robot Devil said he loved me in Bender's voice while wearing Granny Hester's clothes."

The amish montage was really sweet. Bender was trying to be helpful and live alongside Fry even though he knew he wasn't doing anything tangible. It really showed his dedication to his best friend.

Things I Didn't Like:

I get that Bender has volatile emotions, but being so quick to want to kill his best friend still seems OOC. Bender should know Fry cares more about Bender than anyone else, and that Fry simply meant in general, human lives are more valuable than robot lives. This is especially true since robots have back-up copies anyway.  

Robot Devil wasn't really that funny this episode (with the exception of the callback to Hell is Other Robots, yes!)

As much as I found the "sex with mayor's wife joke" funny, it really did go against Fry's relationship with Leela. Not worth it imo.

The cleavage joke from the Professor, the giant balloon joke and the Obama Care jokes fell flat and the latter was annoying for its pop culture reference. At least the balloon joke had a nice follow-up with Fry on Bender's shoulders : P. Bender reminded me of Jake from Adventure Time in that scene (I know it's the same voice actor, but Bender being so consoling to his "buddy" just seemed very Jake-ish lol)

The ending was awkward, lame and just left us hanging.

I would expect someone in the PE crew to have saved Fry when the apple structure was about to plow him, especially Leela.

Fry should know about Parade Day by now. Yes you can come up with several seemingly plausible reasons why he doesn't know, but it just seemed like a cheap gimmick to explain to the audience what Parade Day is.

Gonna go with 5/10 on a relative-to-other-Futurama episodes scale. I really wish I could see this episode the same way that so many of you do.
flesheatingbull

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« Reply #98 on: 07-01-2011 19:23 »

he went into the suicide booth to commit suicide. he died, thus doing what he intended to do. whether or not 'lynn' killed him is irrelevant, imo. either way, the suicide booth did it's job.
HezaDelSol

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« Reply #99 on: 07-01-2011 19:49 »

That was going to be my argument too. Bender wanted to die, the suicide booth happened to enjoy doing what she was intended to do. I would still count that as suicide and not murder. Lynn didn't seek Bender out to kill him, that would be different.
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #100 on: 07-01-2011 20:29 »

Maybe we will get more answers about this "Obama Care" stuff on the politic season 7 episode (next year). about Candidates challenging Nixon.........
SolidSnake

Professor
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« Reply #101 on: 07-01-2011 20:30 »

I cringed a little about the Obama care joke, then I rewinded it and played it again to be sure that's what he said. Is there some hidden joke I'm not getting, or are we to assume Obama somehow effects the health of the 31st century?
Maybe we will get more answers about this "Obama Care" stuff on the politic season 7 episode (next year). about Candidates challenging Nixon.........
cyber_turnip

Urban Legend
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« Reply #102 on: 07-01-2011 20:34 »

But Bender changed his mind and decided that he didn't want to die: murder.


Did it annoy anybody else that Bender could enter and control electronic devices and yet he never even tried to just re-enter his old body? I wouldn't have minded if he tried it and the body was broken and for some reason he couldn't find a blank robot or a new body somewhere, but he basically just did this at the end anyway (although I assume it was party Robot God's doing). I couldn't get my mind to switch off and ignore this throughout the episode and it probably went a long way towards making me not enjoy the episode as much as everyone else seems to have done.

Don't get me wrong, it was good, but it wasn't great. I'd consider it a fairly average episode, maybe towards the bottom end of average. I love continuity but a lot of the jokes in the episode just seemed to be a case of "remember this?". That isn't a joke in itself. It's like how Simon Pegg thought that you could just quote another film and that'd count as a joke in Paul or when Family Guy just re-enacts a scene from a film without inserting any actual jokes... I don't know. It seems like a cheap way of doing fan-service unless it's done well and I don't think that re-using the same song from Hell is Other Robots or having the Robot Devil mention that him and Fry swapped hands really count... but then that's just me.

But yeah... I like it, but only marginally more than Neutopia and certainly not half as much as Benderama.

Svip

DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #103 on: 07-01-2011 20:36 »

I cringed a little about the Obama care joke, then I rewinded it and played it again to be sure that's what he said. Is there some hidden joke I'm not getting, or are we to assume Obama somehow effects the health of the 31st century?

You need to understand the thing about Obama care in the U.S., it is supposed to highlight an introduction of 'universal healthcare' in the U.S. (one could argue that Obama care has since then become the name of the healthcare system on Earth, since the Earth government seems to be a successor to the U.S.).

I laughed.  But it requires some knowledge about the whole healthcare debate to make sense.  And especially a Scandinavian who is used to universal healthcare under not so tacky names.
Aki

Professor
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« Reply #104 on: 07-01-2011 20:44 »

Did it annoy anybody else that Bender could enter and control electronic devices and yet he never even tried to just re-enter his old body? I wouldn't have minded if he tried it and the body was broken and for some reason he couldn't find a blank robot or a new body somewhere, but he basically just did this at the end anyway (although I assume it was party Robot God's doing). I couldn't get my mind to switch off and ignore this throughout the episode and it probably went a long way towards making me not enjoy the episode as much as everyone else seems to have done.

Frack, I wrote a one page response to this and then my computer shut down. Oh well, the summary:

I didn't even think of that. I always assumed the ending was all Robot God's work. There are explanations as to why Bender didn't use other bodies before the end though. For example, I assume it was really hard to take over another robot's body - he seems to struggle with the Robot Devil. Plus, by then he was really motivated, kind of like a mommy lifting a van kind of thing.

So why not use a bland robot before that? Maybe he didn't even think of it. Maybe the robot had to be started before he could jump into it, and he couldn't start it without being inside it, so he had to take a live robot.

I cringed a little about the Obama care joke, then I rewinded it and played it again to be sure that's what he said. Is there some hidden joke I'm not getting, or are we to assume Obama somehow effects the health of the 31st century?

You need to understand the thing about Obama care in the U.S., it is supposed to highlight an introduction of 'universal healthcare' in the U.S. (one could argue that Obama care has since then become the name of the healthcare system on Earth, since the Earth government seems to be a successor to the U.S.).

I laughed.  But it requires some knowledge about the whole healthcare debate to make sense.  And especially a Scandinavian who is used to universal healthcare under not so tacky names.

I see. I'm not really that knowing of American politics, especially when it comes to stuff like health care. Thanks.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #105 on: 07-01-2011 20:54 »
« Last Edit on: 07-01-2011 20:55 »

On taking another robot's body: when he tried to enter the Fortune Teller, it exploded. When he tried to enter the Robot Devil, it was a struggle. I'd assume that when there's more than one robot soul in the body that it gets a little difficult to take over.


Things I Didn't Like:

I get that Bender has volatile emotions, but being so quick to want to kill his best friend still seems OOC. Bender should know Fry cares more about Bender than anyone else, and that Fry simply meant in general, human lives are more valuable than robot lives. This is especially true since robots have back-up copies anyway.
Bender always is a little less emotional with others. See: every episode he's in that he calls somebody a "meatbag", every episode he says "Bender is great!", "Let's go already!", Jurassic Bark, Beast with a Billion Backs, Benderama... I could go on, but that's, what's the word... his character.

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Robot Devil wasn't really that funny this episode (with the exception of the callback to Hell is Other Robots, yes!)
Nope, Robot Devil was played wonderfully here.

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As much as I found the "sex with mayor's wife joke" funny, it really did go against Fry's relationship with Leela. Not worth it imo.
Ugh... this again... It was a throw-away joke, it's not meant to disrupt anything between them. The series has gone back to the status quo with their relationship, which is on-again-off-again, in addition to the fact that it's the future and scruples are far different then, like how the Professor can be naked all of the time and nobody cares.

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The cleavage joke from the Professor, the giant balloon joke and the Obama Care jokes fell flat and the latter was annoying for its pop culture reference. At least the balloon joke had a nice follow-up with Fry on Bender's shoulders : P. Bender reminded me of Jake from Adventure Time in that scene (I know it's the same voice actor, but Bender being so consoling to his "buddy" just seemed very Jake-ish lol)
I liked the cleavage joke, the balloons were a set up to the main story, and I was a little apprehensive about the Obamacare line on first viewing but it was fine. It's nowhere near as horrible as people are making it out to be; Obama is a far different person than the Kardashains, Susan Boyle, etc. Obama and what he did with health care is something that's very likely to be remembered in 1000 years, especially since his head's in the Hall of Presidents at the Head Museum, a place that the crew has visited multiple times and will again this season. I would not classify "Obamacare" as "pop" culture either.

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The ending was awkward, lame and just left us hanging.
There are plenty of original run episodes that end just as awkwardly... I just can't be bothered to make a list while I'm hungry...

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I would expect someone in the PE crew to have saved Fry when the apple structure was about to plow him, especially Leela.
They weren't paying attention to it at first. Bender was the only person who noticed it at first.

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Fry should know about Parade Day by now. Yes you can come up with several seemingly plausible reasons why he doesn't know, but it just seemed like a cheap gimmick to explain to the audience what Parade Day is.
Do you hate Futurama or something? The best things of the classic series were when we had something that's from the future that's weird and needs explaining, when Fry has fish-out-of-water experiences. That's like complaining, "You know, Leela's been captain of Planet Express for a while, wouldn't you expect her to want to get a new job that's better?"[/quote]
TheMadCapper

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« Reply #106 on: 07-01-2011 21:29 »


And then he asks how Scruffy's doing hahaha. I love the bromance there. They won't admit it in dialogue, but we all know they have a little thing!

What is wrong with you? They can't just be friends? It can't just be a joke about an irrelevant character? It's got to be "because they have a little thing"? Maybe you just saw what you wanted to see. And then posted it on the world's foremost Futurama message board.
Dorsal Axe

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« Reply #107 on: 07-01-2011 21:38 »

I think Bender saying "a-doy" twice may have been in reference to Adoy from the game.
I wondered this. They put a rather unusual emphasis on it.

Anyway, I loved it. The episode had a very "classic Futurama" feel to it, although the ending seemed rushed, as is standard now. It was funny though, and the premise turned out to be better than I anticipated.

Some observations:
  • I was particularly tickled by the "I hereby declare that, henceforth, this Saturday shall be known as "Fry-day"!"
  • Mayor Poopenmeyer always seems to wear a tux nowadays, even there is no reason for him to wear one. It strikes me as very interesting that they would seemingly change the de facto appearance of a tertiary character.
  • A lot more Scruffy this season. Maybe it's just the ordering of the episodes, meaning Scruffy overload now, and a drought later in the season. Oh well, he's still funny, which is the main thing.
lilkitten29

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« Reply #108 on: 07-01-2011 21:42 »

I don't feel like writing a bunch of stuff.
I liked this episode and I rate it: 9/10
TheMadCapper

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« Reply #109 on: 07-01-2011 21:51 »

This was a good episode, even though it made IC Weiner's pants feel funny in a bad way. I'd give it 8 out of 10. They spent more time being serious-esque and less time delivering maximum jokes per minute, but all in all it was both relatively touching and funny. But I do have to question how this doesn't outright fly in the face of Lethal Inspection, kick it in the neck, and tell it that it was adopted and nobody has ever loved it.
Aki

Professor
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« Reply #110 on: 07-01-2011 22:01 »

There has already been a discussion on how it does not contradict LI by any mean. If you have something you think is a continuity error, though, I'd be happy to hear of it. I'm struggling to find them myself, since I expected there would be a few.
winna

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« Reply #111 on: 07-01-2011 22:18 »

Pretty good episode.  Felt reminiscent, had good pace and jokes with an interesting plot and a couple of throw backs.  I do really enjoy throw backs. shifty
Aki

Professor
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« Reply #112 on: 07-01-2011 22:21 »

Call backs are awesome, and they were indeed well done in this episode. Several good Robot Devil ones, and I enjoyed Dr. Cahill and Ben Beeler.
Wilyfish

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« Reply #113 on: 07-01-2011 22:26 »

I thought this was a fantastic episode! I was laughing at the jokes during the entire episode, and as long as I'm laughing and having fun watching, it's a good episode for me. I won't even take the time to point out really great dialogue because the dialogue was just absolutely fantastic in this script. It was written to be really fun.

I like how Act 1 establishes early that Fry is a scaredy-cat ("A giant balloon?!") and that Bender holds him up over his head in the parade, as it that establishes that he can comfort Fry's fears. And someone who has the power can also break him, as the episode shows smile The short and fun story between Bender and the suicide booth was imaginative and worked out fantastically.

I don't have much to say about Act 2! I watched again and just was enjoying the episode again instead. Ok, one thing. Pineapples from a vending machine?  laff The future offers some odd choices sometimes.

I didn't mind the Obamacare joke, and camera angle made it funny. Actually I think it's more "out of place" for wikipedia to still be around after 1000 years, whereas it's possible for Obamacare to be a surviving plan. Also who cares? It made me laugh.

Act 3 was a lot funnier for me on a second viewing. I agree that things went really fast on that act, but watching again let me appreciate the jokes a lot more when I knew they were coming.

I gave this a 9/10. It's my favorite episode since Prisoner of Benda.

A couple things:

1. Maybe Bender couldn't just possess his own body back because of the events in Lethal Inspection and only Robot God could really bring him back? I don't know, that's the best "logical" explanation I can think of for why Bender didn't just return to his own body anytime.

2. Will Scruffy continue to be in every episode? I certainly wouldn't mind!
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #114 on: 07-01-2011 22:35 »

What an utterly unfunny episode! I can't recall any Futurama episode that I've laughed LESS at than this one.

What a total waste of the idea of robot ghosts that was introduced way back in The Howling. Bender commits suicide and then haunts Fry... phfft. sleep Fry goes to the Amish planet. roll eyes Then ghost-Bender saves Fry and is resurrected. roll eyes And how awful was the ending?! I was waiting for the button, but: fade to black; episode over. WTF!?

Come on! This isn't worthy of Futurama. This episode was like watching a fan script. It was totally uninspired and devoid of laugh-out-loud jokes. And the few things that I laughed at were really dumb, like the Mayor declaring Saturday "Fry-day", or Bender shouting, "Damn you Obama-care!"

My initial impression of this episode was far too generous; I voted 5/10. This is the LEAST FUNNY and most boring episode of Futurama I've ever seen. Therefore, it could only be scored 1/10.
pluche93

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« Reply #115 on: 07-01-2011 22:36 »

My take on how this episode does not conflict with LI:

1: In LI, we learn that (almost) all robots have back-up units in case their bodies are destroyed.  It appears that almost all people know this.

2: In GitM, we learn that the idea of robot ghosts is unknown to most people, so they must be very rare events (or they are simply not perceived by them, which is also the case).

3: In LI, we learn that Bender does not have a functioning back-up unit.

4: in GitM, we see Bender die, and become a robot ghost.

So I hypothesize that only robots without working back-up units become robot ghosts if their bodies are destroyed.  This would make sense because robots with a working back-up unit cannot truly die, and therefore would never reach the point where they would become a ghost.

Oh, I give the episode a 9/10.

He's totally right! stop saying that lethal inspection was a waste of animation because its not true! I consider Lethal Inspection and Ghosts in the Machines as a 2 parts big episode. in Lethal Inspection we learn that Bender is not Immortal like any other robot, that he can truly die and not be sent back in an awesomely equal body. so like we saw with the robot devil he just go back in another body, but bender doesn't have this capacity... only robot god can send him back in his own body.

so stop whining and saying stupid thing from the stupid age... overal this was an awesome ep!! almost no joke felt flat for me (maybe because I was needing some sleep...) 10/10!!
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« Reply #116 on: 07-01-2011 22:43 »
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Even if you manage to worm your way around all the conflicts with Lethal Inspection, there is still a major thematic flaw which renders Lethal Inspection utterly pointless.

If a robot ghost can inhabit functional machines, (even forcefully taking over ones inhabited by other robot souls), they could have just fixed his broken body and he'd have gone right back in. This is a universe with billions of robots, there is no way they haven't tried the approach of "fix the body or make a new body" a few times. And if all you have to do to get a robot back to life is fix it, there's no need for backup units.

edit - the idea of a robot soul being unknown is so preposterous that making an episode out of it is an insult to the intellect of this show's viewers. Much like how we're supposed to take Agent Smith's ability to duplicate himself as a seriously game-changing revelation in The Matrix movies. Computer files can be duplicated. This is stupid. In the same way, we should not bat an eye when told we have a world in which the idea of ghosts has existed for thousands of years, but nobody ever thought about machines having souls, and nobody has ever bothered to repair a broken machine?
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« Reply #117 on: 07-01-2011 22:47 »

They only become ghosts after committing suicide, though. There's no real advantage in knowing how to resurrect yourself if you only can do it after killing yourself, and not when you die by accident or by the hand of another.
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« Reply #118 on: 07-01-2011 22:50 »

I watched the episode earlier, and when Bender says, "Shut it, God!" (paraphrase), the the response of "God" is a confused, "Hmm?" (... it might've been "What?"...) Point is that the character that Bender refers to as "God" is confused when he is called such, so personally I don't feel like that was any sort of god.



And then he asks how Scruffy's doing hahaha. I love the bromance there. They won't admit it in dialogue, but we all know they have a little thing!

What is wrong with you? They can't just be friends? It can't just be a joke about an irrelevant character? It's got to be "because they have a little thing"? Maybe you just saw what you wanted to see. And then posted it on the world's foremost Futurama message board.
No, I know there's something there! It's a true bromance! As plain as day. I'm sure Fry would rather hang out with Scruffy any day more than he would Leela. I'm going to write a fanfic get somebody else to write a fanfic about this...
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« Reply #119 on: 07-01-2011 22:53 »

I watched the episode earlier, and when Bender says, "Shut it, God!" (paraphrase), the the response of "God" is a confused, "Hmm?" (... it might've been "What?"...) Point is that the character that Bender refers to as "God" is confused when he is called such, so personally I don't feel like that was any sort of god.

Interesting, I haven't noticed that.

I have always assumed similar of Robot Devil as with Robot Santa - he is not really the devil, but he rules a place under New Jersey. Before this episode, he didn't really have any supernatural powers, but now he suddenly can govern robot ghosts, so maybe I have to reconsider my take on this crap.

Isn't it enough to be a militant atheist in real life, do I have to defend irreligion in cartoons as well now? :/
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